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On January 20 2011 07:55 Geovu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 07:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On January 20 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote:
It isn't like casters don't make this community better?
HD/Husky helped give a voice to the hundreds of thousands of newbs that complained about 2v2/3v3 balance. Without them we'd have flux vanes. You guys remember the horrible era of flux vanes? With flux vanes we wouldn't have Jinro's mech vs. Protoss, I reckon. I'm sure as a toss this has you pissed, but I don't like void rays seeming to make carriers superfluous and this seems to have helped with that. Yes because with Flux Vanes Void Rays would absolutely dominate vikings and anything else you could throw at them. God those stacked up, 0 armor, sub 300 HP monsters destroy everything. Thor AoE, marine DPS vs unarmored targets, yamato blasts, and not to mention 9 range kiting machines that are vikings could do NOTHING to stop the Void Ray. THANK GOD that now they move as fast as a hydra off creep, no matter what you invest into them, so that now 1 viking can defeat infinity void rays, before they were just SO IMBA. Terran could do nothing to stop them before, at least now they have a complete counter available for the fair one time price of 150 minerals and 75 gas.
Lol Terran already had an unbeatable hard counter to void rays: marines with stim. At least now we don't have to see f'in marauders every TvP. I don't think TvP is solved and I don't think the void ray is solved. I think it's enough that Blizzard has made every unit decently viable in at least one matchup. I don't think the void ray needs to be viable in every matchup. I think think it can be useful in PvP. I'm not sure about PvZ, I'd guess it's not a big deal but I haven't seen any PvZs with void rays in this patch yet. Carrier is looking viable in TvP and I've seen more usage of Phoenixes in TvP and it's been working pretty well too. Phoenixes kill Vikings when they are equal numbers but they come out to slow to get near equal numbers so the patch could help that. Void Rays were never meant to win vs. Vikings because they are primarily for air to ground - phoenixes are air to air and vikings are meant to be air to air so they should beat void rays. If you want to use void rays in pvt you should at least have major phoenix support which is probably impossible to get unless you are way ahead already but that doesn't strike me as a design flaw.
This is all irrelevant anyway, there's no reason for people to be so condescending to players of 2v2 and 3v3 and if Husky and HD helped those players get the game fixed, major kudos to those guys. No one has contested that it helped the game for 2v2 and 3v3. If it broke 1v1, we should be talking about what changes Blizzard should have made to fix 2v2 and 3v3 without breaking 1v1. We should not be blaming Husky and HD for pointing out a problem and having Blizzard make the wrong response.
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On January 20 2011 08:05 SharkSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote:
I actually feel bad for the production people above all.
Sirscoots?
Slasher?
Lee?
These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick. Not sure if that last part is trolling or w/e, but streaming doesn't net you as much as static video views on youtube does. That's why the more businessy casters dont bother with streaming, because it would just cut in to their profits. But yeah, sucks to produce an awesome event, release reps so the public can enjoy them, and then get boned as other casters score all the views for people who want to see casted games.
HuskyStarcraft
I am going to ATTEMPT to livestream the next couple of casts that I'm going to do. It shall be the ultimate 'is my internet fixed' test. http://www.livestream.com/HuskyStarcraft
about an hour ago
copy from facebook. husky is like the caster on youtube and he is trying to stream
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On January 20 2011 08:05 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:02 Sevryn wrote:On January 20 2011 08:01 iNcontroL wrote:On January 20 2011 07:59 Sevryn wrote:On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote:
I actually feel bad for the production people above all.
Sirscoots?
Slasher?
Lee?
These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick. Djwheat deserves to roll in fat stacks but he works full time in addition to all the content he makes FULL TIME MY ASS he still has time to raise a kid, be married AND play video games. He is working 1/4th time at best. djWHEAT djWHEAT I love it when people get angry that I don't answer their emails or calls, and then surprised when they find out I work full-time. :/ 3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply copy pasta from twitter <3 Dude, he can't work full time.. look at my argument. How is it possible?
He cuts probes?
EdiT: ok, let me add that I'm with Incontrol with this one... Working full time and having a wife and a child is exactly my situation, and I have barely 10 minutes a night to do my show. I do it because I enjoy SC2, and I don't care how big it gets as long as I am helpful to the community. If he does work full time, then he is definitely neglecting (conscious of it or not) either his wife or his child.
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I don't know and I don't care about how much a caster makes casting in YouTube. If the product that they create has high quality I don't see any problem in them making money of it.
Just remember if some casters are indeed receiveing money for a 'poor' product it's all OUR fault because it was all of us that put them up there. WE empowered them. So stop bitching about it.
The only thing that really troubles me in this problem is that Day9 ONLY has around 110.000ish subs and he deserves much much more.
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On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote:
I actually feel bad for the production people above all.
Sirscoots?
Slasher?
Lee?
These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick.
Incontrol: Nobody is telling them to do anything. They are volunteering. Just like you volunteer to moderate for TeamLiquid. Just like I volunteer to donate blood every 6 months. It is out of the kindness of your heart. If you, me, scoots, or anybody can find a way to make money by doing it, that is not a sin. It just is not the #1 priority. This is meant to increase your civic duty, and contribute to a greater cause. They have no binding contract (as far as I know) towards Wheat, TeamLiquid, etc. They can do as they please. It is of choice.
Everyone; This is an entertainment video game. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch, play, listen, etc. Shane Dawson makes unbelievable amounts of money just by being himself and making silly skits on YouTube about people he knows in real life. Those real life people do not get paid anything for the characters he mimics. Do we throw a hissy fit? No. He has talent. Day9 has talent. Artosis has talent. Kingdom has talent.
If a caster has no talent, it is recognized by the community. Enough with this elite attitude that gamers should receive the most, and that you are mad that more people watch Day9 playing text twist. Fuck, I prefer watching Day9 playing text twist. I prefer watching Cella singing Kpop and BoxeR being sad that he put him on SlayerS. I prefer watching Boesthius drunk laddering singing Kpop and Metal simultaneously at 2am. They have a vibe and persona that illuminates to us as viewers when we watch or listen to him. They make me happy.
You have NO right to tell me what is entertainment and what is not. I will decide what I find to be fun.
You won't benefit anyone by trying to take down casters. Trust me.
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On January 20 2011 08:08 tehemperorer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:05 iNcontroL wrote:On January 20 2011 08:02 Sevryn wrote:On January 20 2011 08:01 iNcontroL wrote:On January 20 2011 07:59 Sevryn wrote:On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote:
I actually feel bad for the production people above all.
Sirscoots?
Slasher?
Lee?
These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick. Djwheat deserves to roll in fat stacks but he works full time in addition to all the content he makes FULL TIME MY ASS he still has time to raise a kid, be married AND play video games. He is working 1/4th time at best. djWHEAT djWHEAT I love it when people get angry that I don't answer their emails or calls, and then surprised when they find out I work full-time. :/ 3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply copy pasta from twitter <3 Dude, he can't work full time.. look at my argument. How is it possible? He cuts probes? EdiT: ok, let me add that I'm with Incontrol with this one... Working full time and having a wife and a child is exactly my situation, and I have barely 10 minutes a night to do my show. I do it because I enjoy SC2, and I don't care how big it gets as long as I am helpful to the community. If he does work full time, then he is definitely neglecting (conscious of it or not) either his wife or his child.
Chrono Boost dude, Chrono Boost.
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On January 20 2011 06:09 Hasire wrote:
If the replay is released to the public, then the player can't really expect money in return for it. If they hoard them expecting money, the casters will just go to someone else for reps.
Replays aren't always released by the players, sometimes it is an observer who posts it and then there is nothing else you can do as a player to get it back. Also, if one player wants to release it and another does not then what happens?
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On January 20 2011 08:05 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:02 Sevryn wrote:On January 20 2011 08:01 iNcontroL wrote:On January 20 2011 07:59 Sevryn wrote:On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote:
I actually feel bad for the production people above all.
Sirscoots?
Slasher?
Lee?
These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick. Djwheat deserves to roll in fat stacks but he works full time in addition to all the content he makes FULL TIME MY ASS he still has time to raise a kid, be married AND play video games. He is working 1/4th time at best. djWHEAT djWHEAT I love it when people get angry that I don't answer their emails or calls, and then surprised when they find out I work full-time. :/ 3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply copy pasta from twitter <3 Dude, he can't work full time.. look at my argument. How is it possible?
People are married, have kids, and work full time. Factor in video games, and you suddenly only have time to work 1/4th of the time? I dunno whether he does work full time or not, but it certainly wouldn't be too unreasonable.
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I've read the whole thread and have nothing more to bring to the discussion.
I just wanted to point out that I wholeheartedly agree with TotalBiscuit, eventhough I like the rest of us casual mortals dont have the full details on how this works.
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Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't 100% vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way.
It was created by Renetto (here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett), one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making.
http://www.myu2b.com/
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6ZaI5.png)
Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on and it's as close as we'll ever get because of YT's strict NDA policies. It is interesting however as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty huge ~$200,000 a year salary.
Note: I'm not saying he's earning "too much" nor do I care what he makes. Honestly, if I'd been smart enough to get on the SC2 casting game in beta I'd be doing the exact same thing he is.
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DJ wheat works a full time job unrelated to video games. The man is a machine and does what he does for esports because he loves it.
Also incontrol knows hes not rolling in stacks, dude a couple posts above got trolled
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On January 20 2011 07:38 iNcontroL wrote:
This is ridiculous..
Casters tirelessly sit in their house and commentate for a solid 15~30 fucking minutes A DAY on games that are extremely hard to describe. They painfully tax their brain to understanding something that would normally take years to master..
Lets not mention the top tier casters? Day9 almost weekly removes himself from the comforts of his own home to fly to scary, distant lands where he has never been and see people he has never met JUST TO COMMENTATE FOR YOU. Does he do it for the money? Sure. Does he do it for the experience? I guess. But mostly he does it because he is brave.
Tasteless and Artosis banished themselves from their home country.. left behind women, fame, money.. their mothers.. and are now living in isolation. FORCED to wear stupid jackets and sit in a high place while describing GSL games. You wonder why Tasteless is sick all the time? And you have the audacity to call to question a man as heroic as he making money commentating?
Dude, why so angry man. Casters are integral to eSports. Like what many have noted, players like yourself benefit from their work just as they benefit from the contents that progamers produce.
Especially in the west, eSports are not a part of mainstream culture. We won't be seeing televised matches between you and Idra on ESPN2 for a long time to come. So these alternative channels to reach out to the masses and generate interest are important to the growth of eSports. Besides, I thought you wanted to get a casting gig yourself.
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On January 20 2011 08:08 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't know and I don't care about how much a caster makes casting in YouTube. If the product that they create has high quality I don't see any problem in them making money of it.
I think here is where a lot of the problem lies. All the casters who are only youtube are less than casters and more so money mongers. They trade off quality for quantity and it hurts the scene overall. The current 'mainstream' casters on youtube have little to no idea what is actually going on in a replay they cast and often mud sling toward the players they are casting out of obvious spite.
This is not a quality product and it hurts the scene more than it helps.
Just remember if some casters are indeed receiving money for a 'poor' product it's all OUR fault because it was all of us that put them up there. WE empowered them. So stop bitching about it.
The only casters 'I' have placed anywhere is currently artosis and day9 and I have no complaints. They are not only professional but provide quality content which also includes quantity. (hour long dailies anyone?)
The only thing that really troubles me in this problem is that Day9 ONLY has around 110.000ish subs and he deserves much much more.
Yeah, this is one thing I cant agree more with. Sean is such a staple in the SC2 community and the people on this are not fully supporting him for bringing them, hour long dailies, fun ladder minigames, blizzcon, KoB, IEM, MLGx4(?), dreamhack, in the most easiest and cheapest way, by hitting a sub button.
Big props tho to those guys who helped Sean with his last semester of college, this is one beacon of hope for quality sc2 casters to still be present even if they are at times taking back seat to quantity casters.
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sure, entertainers make a crapload of money compared to their effort. maybe that isn't fair, but compared to shitty popstars, who make ridiculous amounts of money, HD and Husky help to grow the scene. why don't you start a thread about bank managers getting 50 million dollar boni, instead of whining about this. seriously, don't we have bigger problems?
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My mind is blown by people failing to see the sarcasm and paraody in Incontrol's posts....
On January 20 2011 08:24 rzys wrote:
sure, entertainers make a crapload of money compared to their effort. maybe that isn't fair, but compared to shitty popstars, who make ridiculous amounts of money, HD and Husky help to grow the scene. why don't you start a thread about bank managers getting 50 million dollar boni, instead of whining about this. seriously, don't we have bigger problems?
Yes, but those posts belong in the 'General forum', not the 'Sc2 General forum' 8---)???
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On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto, one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on. It's interesting as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary.
I'm going to choose not to trust this, but if it is true, husky should be making more than $550 a day commentating Starcraft if RWJ can make $2.5k every day by commentating other people's youtube videos T_T
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On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto, one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on. It's interesting as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary.
Keep in mind that daily gross in my2ub earning potential, I think many people, myself included see numbers and are so tempted to jump to the conclusion that that person makes $X or $Y.
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On January 20 2011 08:25 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto, one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on. It's interesting as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary. I'm going to choose not to trust this, but if it is true, husky should be making more than $550 a day commentating Starcraft if RWJ can make $2.5k every day by commentating other people's youtube videos T_T
That's a product of their respective popularity. Husky gets a lot of viewers, but RWJ absolutely overshadows that.
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I've never read anything about the kind of compensation that Tasteless and Artosis get, let alone Husky or Day[9]. What kind of money are we talking here? Does anyone have good sources?
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On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto, one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on. It's interesting as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary.
I think that site is close to accurate. He does get 500k views each day.
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