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On January 20 2011 08:27 s_side wrote:
I've never read anything about the kind of compensation that Tasteless and Artosis get, let alone Husky or Day[9]. What kind of money are we talking here? Does anyone have good sources?
Unless you work for a public company / corporation (the U.S. Government, a public school), your salary is not disclosed to the public. If you work privately, your salary is your privacy; it is your choice to tell anybody of it. I can find out right now how much my high school teachers make- it is of law to release that information to the public, since our tax dollars pay their salary. That is not the case for private companies / corporations (Husky, Day9).
So no, nobody has good sources. No matter what you hear. Unless they are related to Husky or Day9.
Edit: That link is a gross estimation. We can maybe estimate it, but that is wildly different than a "good source". Keep that in mind.
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this happens with all sports.. and nearly any event that has spectators.
its nothing new.
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I just wanna add that I have no idea why people actually like DjWheat and can dislike people like TotalBiscuit.
User was temp banned for this post.
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After reading key posts from people that have anything valid to say, in response to people that just needed to not post to begin with, i can see that the people in the know(incontrol, Tb etc) are just repeating themselves for complete morons who can't comprehend whats going on and just want something to complain about.
Players <> Casters <> Viewers <> Sponsors
Was pretty accurate for on the fly remark. TB in his god-like knowledge (comes from being born across the pond as a birth rite) is correct. Players don't get their name out if no one is watching them, casters don't get their name out if people aren't playing, sponsors are not getting money if no one is winning events that are not happening because no one cares or is watching videos, and viewers just need to shut the hell up and go along with it all. Who cares about the money aspect? How much TB, Husky, HD, Day9 make? Who cares about knowing a TL/EG/Root's player salary? You're wasting your time questioning and causing strife instead of just supporting it, and if you don't support it then gtfo. Go question your <insert local politician> or celebrity or something. As evil as incontrol may apparently be to you people who can't understand things, he is still more pure than any of the just previously mentioned assholes.
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everytime u guys say about rich casters i remember day9 thanking that he fixed his glasses thanks to a donation 100 epps after they were broken and serious wonder, r they serious @ this topic ? =X
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The problem here is that being good at something isn't the same as being the most worthy of money, despite people's good intentions. Good players need to whore themselves out for endorsements, sponsorship, and coaching to make money. Even things like premium streams and selling replays may become ways to make money. Being good at Starcraft doesn't suddenly make you money.
The same is true about commentators. Just being a good commentator doesn't get you money, it takes a certain amount of public relations and business development to start making money. If you want to commentate full time, actual commentating skill is the least important of the three skills (commentating, PR, BD).
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On January 20 2011 08:30 gulati wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:27 s_side wrote:
I've never read anything about the kind of compensation that Tasteless and Artosis get, let alone Husky or Day[9]. What kind of money are we talking here? Does anyone have good sources? Unless you work for a public company / corporation (the U.S. Government, a public school), your salary is not disclosed to the public. If you work privately, your salary is your privacy; it is your choice to tell anybody of it. I can find out right now how much my high school teachers make- it is of law to release that information to the public, since our tax dollars pay their salary. That is not the case for private companies / corporations (Husky, Day9). So no, nobody has good sources. No matter what you hear. Unless they are related to Husky or Day9. Edit: That link is a gross estimation. We can maybe estimate it, but that is wildly different than a "good source". Keep that in mind. The information has to at least be ballpark accurate as it does have the actual statistics of comments, views, thumbs up, etc. and it's made by a well-established YT partner (his wikipedia page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett).
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On January 20 2011 08:32 debasers wrote:
I just wanna add that I have no idea why people actually like DjWheat and can dislike people like TotalBiscuit.
tb doesn't understand how the internet works too well so he often gets a lot of hate for it. Like his all knowing attitude, for lack of a better phrase.
And especially for his comments to IdrA calling him a bad troll and claiming "leave it to people who have been doing it a long time." People should really understand the difference between trolling and voicing an opinion.
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On January 20 2011 06:07 Erandorr wrote:
Now an other aspect is , of course , that a lot of people watch games because a certain caster commentates them , so you might argue that the casters become more important than the players, but I at least think that they could not exist without each other.
Games without casters are boring and casters without games .. well that wouldnt really work would it?
I think it is a possibility that you might be correct. This is one of those things the general TLer does not come up with I think, wow.I think you hit the nail right on the head, please keep such intelligent threats coming. 
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On January 20 2011 08:34 noD wrote:
everytime u guys say about rich casters i remember day9 thanking that he fixed his glasses thanks to a donation 100 epps after they were broken and serious wonder, r they serious @ this topic ? =X
I giggle when people think casters are somehow evil corporations. Look at Sean's poor chipped tooth and his taped glasses that he had forever. You really think he is rolling around in fat stacks? Hahaha...
Wake up people. Nobody is making money by sitting on their asses doing nothing. If one thing I have learned in life, it is that money doesn't grow on trees. (And for the assholes who will try to say "money = paper, so yes it does"... no. Money is made of linen and cotton, you failure.) You have to work hard for what you make. If you are making money, you are doing something that requires work. Lets just hope it is not illegal.
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I have a machinima contract, i know for a fact that you cant really make much money off it. theyre not rich by any means.
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On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't 100% vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto (here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett), one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6ZaI5.png) Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on and it's as close as we'll ever get because of YT's strict NDA policies. It is interesting however as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary.
Obscene ? Compared to what ?
Grow up. This is an extreme niche job - that involves a lot of risk - i'm saying good for him if it pays off. Would you focus on casting ? - you would if it netted you 100k wouldn't you ? but he didn't have this guarantee and neither do you if you start now... he did a risky thing, was there at the right moment and its fortunately worked out ok.
Also i really doubt those figures - terms and conditions for partners aren't that linear. 
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On January 20 2011 08:44 stinger_ro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't 100% vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto (here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett), one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on and it's as close as we'll ever get because of YT's strict NDA policies. It is interesting however as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary. Grow up. This is an extreme niche job - that involves a lot of risk - i'm saying good for him if it pays off. Would you focus on casting ? - you would if it netted you 100k wouldn't you ? but he didn't have this guarantee and neither do you if you start now... he did a risky thing, was there at the right moment and its fortunately worked out ok.
Yes... sitting down at your computer for an hour a day to cast a game and upload the video to youtube has sooooo much risk involved. Like... omg... Anybody that does that is so brave. If nobody watched their videos they'd be living on the streets begging for money. Such brave souls  it's a good thing blizzard came out with SC2 so that they didn't have to be beggars on the streets!
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On January 20 2011 08:44 stinger_ro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't 100% vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto (here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett), one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on and it's as close as we'll ever get because of YT's strict NDA policies. It is interesting however as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary. Grow up. This is an extreme niche job - that involves a lot of risk - i'm saying good for him if it pays off. Would you focus on casting ? - you would if it netted you 100k wouldn't you ? but he didn't have this guarantee and neither do you if you start now... he did a risky thing, was there at the right moment and its fortunately worked out ok. Also i really doubt those figures - terms and conditions for partners aren't that linear.
Sorry if it seemed like I was taking a stance. I'm not. I never said he doesn't deserve the compensation and just wanted to share the information. And yes, the figures may not be 100% accurate but the point is if the estimation is at $200k, it's pretty much guaranteed he's making at least half that -- $100k.
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I am going to bookmark this thread to post in any other thread that asks why pro-gamers don't post as often in the forums. Holy shit I really don't know where to begin, I really doubt why I even read theses topics anymore.
I get the feeling that everyone is a bit butt sore because there are people in the world making a living off talking about Starcraft, and they think they can "do it better".
And to stay and topic and to answer the OP's topic: Maybe in a perfect world progamers could earn a bit more by releasing their replies, but eSports has always grown and will continue to grow off the pure generosity (can't think of a better word) of its community members and its content providers. And anytime you throw more many it shit it gets more complicated, lets not spoil what we have right now.
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On January 20 2011 08:45 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:44 stinger_ro wrote:On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't 100% vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto (here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett), one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on and it's as close as we'll ever get because of YT's strict NDA policies. It is interesting however as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary. Grow up. This is an extreme niche job - that involves a lot of risk - i'm saying good for him if it pays off. Would you focus on casting ? - you would if it netted you 100k wouldn't you ? but he didn't have this guarantee and neither do you if you start now... he did a risky thing, was there at the right moment and its fortunately worked out ok. Yes... sitting down at your computer for an hour a day to cast a game and upload the video to youtube has sooooo much risk involved. Like... omg... Anybody that does that is so brave. If nobody watched their videos they'd be living on the streets begging for money. Such brave souls it's a good thing blizzard came out with SC2 so that they didn't have to be beggars on the streets!
Yes but people do watch them ... what does Oprah do then ? this - i could do that mentality is really infantile.
Risk is in planning your future and education and commiting time to something. Its easy to commit to an industry / job that has hundreds or thousands of oportunities and actual demand. Its hard to do what they do on purpose - i'm not saying its difficult TO DO - i'm saying you can't get where they are on purpose - and also if it should fail - options are rather limited.
And hell yes it takes balls. Progamers have it just as rough .. commit to SC2 ? what if the scene fails ? at least they can feel safe in the thought that they do something skillbased. Reaching HD & Husky level is not purely mechanical skill based. Its about having "it" and having "it" at the right time and maintaining "it". Don't believe me - there are hundreds of good actors and bands that are all washed up.
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reminds of the gold rush in california back in 1949.
everyone rushed in to get rich finding gold (players) but the real winner was the man(casters) selling shovels and other equipments for many times the regular price because it was high in demand.
i see no problem.
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On January 20 2011 08:43 gulati wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:34 noD wrote:
everytime u guys say about rich casters i remember day9 thanking that he fixed his glasses thanks to a donation 100 epps after they were broken and serious wonder, r they serious @ this topic ? =X I giggle when people think casters are somehow evil corporations. Look at Sean's poor chipped tooth and his taped glasses that he had forever. You really think he is rolling around in fat stacks? Hahaha... Wake up people. Nobody is making money by sitting on their asses doing nothing. If one thing I have learned in life, it is that money doesn't grow on trees. (And for the assholes who will try to say "money = paper, so yes it does"... no. Money is made of linen and cotton, you failure.) You have to work hard for what you make. If you are making money, you are doing something that requires work. Lets just hope it is not illegal.
I dont know how the college situation works in the USA - but in terms of SC2 I am 99% sure day9 could make several fold his current income from the game if he had the time and inclination. The fact that he isn't is most likely an expression of his view on life, work-load or comfort with his situation, I would have thought.
But surely you counter your own argument?
Casters ARE making money by sitting on their asses? They get replays for free and with minimal effort (visit a replay site, hit download on a big name) and spend about 20-30 minutes recording commentary, editing, and uploading - and get potentially several thousand dollars?
In what way do they have to work hard to make money?
On January 20 2011 08:51 jinorazi wrote:
reminds of the gold rush in california back in 1949.
everyone rushed in to get rich finding gold (players) but the real winner was the man(casters) selling shovels and other equipments for many times the regular price because it was high in demand.
i see no problem.
Surely it was the guys who bought the best land. Eternal riches just for being there first :p
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On January 20 2011 08:44 stinger_ro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:21 hmunkey wrote:Ok so I found out about this on Reddit today and while I can't 100% vouch for its accuracy, it should shed some light on how much YouTube partners make, at least in a rough way. It was created by Renetto (here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robinett), one of the first YouTube partners back when YT was experimenting with the program and it shows how much money each partner should be making. http://www.myu2b.com/Keep in mind it may not be fully accurate, but regardless it's better than all the random guessing going on and it's as close as we'll ever get because of YT's strict NDA policies. It is interesting however as it shows Husky making over $550 a day on average, which is a pretty obscene ~$200,000 a year salary. Obscene ? Compared to what ? Grow up. This is an extreme niche job - that involves a lot of risk - i'm saying good for him if it pays off. Would you focus on casting ? - you would if it netted you 100k wouldn't you ? but he didn't have this guarantee and neither do you if you start now... he did a risky thing, was there at the right moment and its fortunately worked out ok. Also i really doubt those figures - terms and conditions for partners aren't that linear.
I totally beleive that figure. In fact, I think it's a little low. They have millions and millions of monthly views. The sky is the limit when it comes to internet marketing, which is basically what HD, Husky, and others are doing. People easily rake in $1k+ a day with much less traffic, so $550/day isn't high at all.
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One last point I am going to make is this:
What was the dispute and drama when Radio ITG casted Team 3D games? Did people complain when HLTV views had 15,000 viewers live for 3D vs SK, and Radio ITG / Corey Dunn of TSG was making more money from his commentary of international CPL / WSVG / WCG than the $10,000 divided by 5 players for $2,000 each, and then once again divided by 2 per player for Torbull's management fees? No. He did not owe anything to Method, Rambo, Ksharp, Moto, etc. He had his profession. They had their profession. They respected each other, and never dipped into each others pockets.
Understand esports before you generalize stuff. Esports is way bigger than this elitist SC2 bubble that is going on right now. Be respectful of your surroundings. They are more important than any of us.
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