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On January 20 2011 08:52 resilve wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:43 gulati wrote:On January 20 2011 08:34 noD wrote:
everytime u guys say about rich casters i remember day9 thanking that he fixed his glasses thanks to a donation 100 epps after they were broken and serious wonder, r they serious @ this topic ? =X I giggle when people think casters are somehow evil corporations. Look at Sean's poor chipped tooth and his taped glasses that he had forever. You really think he is rolling around in fat stacks? Hahaha... Wake up people. Nobody is making money by sitting on their asses doing nothing. If one thing I have learned in life, it is that money doesn't grow on trees. (And for the assholes who will try to say "money = paper, so yes it does"... no. Money is made of linen and cotton, you failure.) You have to work hard for what you make. If you are making money, you are doing something that requires work. Lets just hope it is not illegal.  I dont know how the college situation works in the USA - but in terms of SC2 I am 99% sure day9 could make several fold his current income from the game if he had the time and inclination. The fact that he isn't is most likely an expression of his view on life, work-load or comfort with his situation, I would have thought. But surely you counter your own argument? Casters ARE making money by sitting on their asses? They get replays for free and with minimal effort (visit a replay site, hit download on a big name) and spend about 20-30 minutes recording commentary, editing, and uploading - and get potentially several thousand dollars? In what way do they have to work hard to make money? Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:51 jinorazi wrote:
reminds of the gold rush in california back in 1949.
everyone rushed in to get rich finding gold (players) but the real winner was the man(casters) selling shovels and other equipments for many times the regular price because it was high in demand.
i see no problem. Surely it was the guys who bought the best land. Eternal riches just for being there first :p
that would be blizzard ^_^
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On January 20 2011 09:13 gulati wrote:
According to some of you, you believe commentators are making more than lawyers. (Average lawyers salary is PUBLIC information, and is $90,000/yr).
Re-read that statement, and think about life for a second. You seriously think for a second that any caster can beat that? There is a reason only a VERY select few do (if any, atleast- and I doubt anyone is actually even close, since there is no REAL sources, only estimations, which are wild at best). It's because of talent. Nobody got to the top for no reason. I praise anyone who can make a living doing this, because it is nearly impossible.
College degrees will always outshine temporary revenue fads in the long run. Mark my word. Once again, YT partners have to sign NDAs so of course they can't publicly state how much they make. However, as the site (created by a YT partner and based on the average earnings of known YouTube partner channels) states, the best estimate for Husky's salary is ~$200,000/yr. Now of course that's not 100% accurate, but if it's even roughly close he makes at least 6 figures. And since there's absolutely no reason to believe it's wildly inaccurate as it does incorporate accurate stats and knowledge by people who earn money from YT, it seems that he makes more than lawyers.
And once again, I don't actually care that he makes that much, but I'm not going to gloss over numbers if I have them in front of me.
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As I have said earlier in the thread, I know people who can support themselves and en entire condo with mortgage and food off 100k subs.
100k+ a year is not surprising for SC2 casters.
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come on u guys dont really believe that nerds click on ads has much as grannies from bieber channels do you ?
crap, most ppl I know always install ad block together with firefox/chrome, they dont even SEE ads...
I never clicked on an ad ever ....
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On January 20 2011 09:08 aike wrote:
You know honestly if it was Tastless/artosis/day9/djwheat/raelcun/diggity making this kind of money I wouldn't mind. But when it's people like HD/Husky/TB, who are complete dicks and act like they don't care about the community other than the fact that they use them to make money and do their bidding, get to make all this money from doing almost nothing with a youtube channel. With Tasteless/artosis/day9/djwheat and those guys I really get a sense that they love the game and love the community and they are doing it because they love the game, if they got paid half as much they'd still be doing it in their free time. In fact, Day9 and DJWheat ARE doing it in their free time, and you know it's because they love esports and love SC2. When TB comes in here acting like a dick just because people start talking about him giving 5% of his SC2 casting income to the players he's casting it just shows me that he's in it for the money.
How short some people's memories are.
'Why don't you give some of your money to the players TB?'
I did not a week or so ago? I spent today organising 3 seperate series of showmatches to put money into the hands of players, negotiating with sponsors to make sure they got the best deal. For me, it does not make good business sense to use time doing that, but I did it, because it's not just about what makes the most bank.
Little bit more reality. Starcraft 2 is my lowest grossing source of income, yet is very time-consuming. My WoW stuff, my interviews, my gaming first impressions and reviews, my DC Universe playthrough, they kick the shit out of my SC2 VoDs view-wise. Think about how retarded this is for a second. I cast some high level games and they get about 25-30k views each. I do a 6 minute video me playing Black Ops Gungame rambling about nothing in particular, it gets 90k views. I do a video of some random indie game that popped up on Steam at 3am, I get 350k views. I have WoW videos that have 1.5 million views EACH.
It is not good business sense for me to spend time doing Starcraft 2 content. I do it because I love it and I want it to grow. It does not make business sense for me to cast low-level tournaments, livestream, hell even cast the best players. It does not make good business sense to give every sponsorship I get directly to the players and not take a cut.
And once again, this could come off as holier than thou but in reality, it's just fact. I swear, you only have to look at the numbers to figure this out. It's not about business sense, it's about being passionate about something that's awesome and wanting it to get better. And guess what, passionate people can sometimes look like assholes in the process because we get caught up in the emotional side of things. Sorry about that.
I love eSports, so fuckin sue me.
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On January 20 2011 09:08 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 09:00 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On January 20 2011 08:55 Erandorr wrote:On January 20 2011 08:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On January 20 2011 08:39 Plaxy wrote:On January 20 2011 08:32 debasers wrote:
I just wanna add that I have no idea why people actually like DjWheat and can dislike people like TotalBiscuit. tb doesn't understand how the internet works too well so he often gets a lot of hate for it. Like his all knowing attitude, for lack of a better phrase. And especially for his comments to IdrA calling him a bad troll and claiming "leave it to people who have been doing it a long time." People should really understand the difference between trolling and voicing an opinion. 'hahahahaha' is not an opinion. I think we all know how the internet works. It's full of assholes, none of us would say this shit in real life because we'd be too afraid of being punched out and we're all ultimately impotently waving our dicks around in an effort to impress other people behind monitor screens that we'll never meet. Did I miss anything out? Well i was actually just trying to start an interesting discussion when a british caster decided to wave his dick around and actually started all this shit . Did I miss anything? I love it when any thread on this site mentions HD or Husky in a negative light because you damn well know within minutes TotalBiscut will be here telling everyone how HDH are the greatest humans known to man, save children in their spare time, and will cure every disease on the planet. I just read all his posts in my head as if he was casting it with his super epic voice and it's pretty fun ! I personally think that there is a nice synergy and without these casters promoting the players. I also don't know any caster that is capable of currently making up to $87,000 a month like a pro player..... I think there is plenty of undiscovered and discovered ways for pro gamers to make extra $. I don't think replays is a good one however. You know honestly if it was Tastless/artosis/day9/djwheat/raelcun/diggity making this kind of money I wouldn't mind. But when it's people like HD/Husky/TB, who are complete dicks and act like they don't care about the community other than the fact that they use them to make money and do their bidding, get to make all this money from doing almost nothing with a youtube channel. With Tasteless/artosis/day9/djwheat and those guys I really get a sense that they love the game and love the community and they are doing it because they love the game, if they got paid half as much they'd still be doing it in their free time. In fact, Day9 and DJWheat ARE doing it in their free time, and you know it's because they love esports and love SC2. When TB comes in here acting like a dick just because people start talking about him giving 5% of his SC2 casting income to the players he's casting it just shows me that he's in it for the money.
You know, I was subscribed to Husky from the beginning. I know that's a phrase people throw around a lot ("From the beginning"), but I mean it. I was subbed to him on my acc. (like four youtube accounts ago) when he had less than 1,000 subs. This was not when he was getting 5,000 a day, this was when he was getting like 10-20 a day. Maybe. I remember when he had multiple live streams all the time, where he would just play against the hardest AI and get completely curb stomped and we would all laugh with it -- all 50 of us in the live stream. I remember when Husky got his shit wrecked, and he went on a cursing tirade. I mean a "fuck" after every other word. All of us were freaking shocked, and he was just like, "I'm not always how I am on the casting you know, haha" or something like that. I mean, I got dozens of small little tidbits like that.
After seeing every single one of his hundreds of BW casts (before they were taken down, fuck you Youtube) and seeing the excitement from him when SC2 came out and how much he hung out with his subs when he was so small and not even a youtube partner yet (or had any dream of becoming one at that point), I can definitely say you are full of shit. Husky is not a dick, and he doesn't not care about the community. The same goes for HDStarcraft. If you were around at all in the Beta, you saw that Husky and HD had the a tournament with the largest prize pool to that date; when most tournies had only 1-2 hundred dollar prizes at the most, they had some 5,000$ tournament shit. It was intense, and I know I don't just speak for me when I say that that tournament of theirs gave me hope for a future of SC2 Esports. And it was one of my favorite tournaments to date.
You can make the argument that he fakes a lot of his casts, but I know he's not. I saw how passionate HD, and especially Husky were about his casting early on, and I'm seeing that same passion in his videos that I watch today. Although I am unsubbed to him (dont like sub box being filled) and barely watch Starcraft VOD's (prefer live streams), I always like to watch Husky and enjoy his casting, even though I can find him tiring at times to listen to extensively.
He's a fucking pro who has given so much of his life to Starcraft.
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On January 20 2011 09:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 09:08 aike wrote:
You know honestly if it was Tastless/artosis/day9/djwheat/raelcun/diggity making this kind of money I wouldn't mind. But when it's people like HD/Husky/TB, who are complete dicks and act like they don't care about the community other than the fact that they use them to make money and do their bidding, get to make all this money from doing almost nothing with a youtube channel. With Tasteless/artosis/day9/djwheat and those guys I really get a sense that they love the game and love the community and they are doing it because they love the game, if they got paid half as much they'd still be doing it in their free time. In fact, Day9 and DJWheat ARE doing it in their free time, and you know it's because they love esports and love SC2. When TB comes in here acting like a dick just because people start talking about him giving 5% of his SC2 casting income to the players he's casting it just shows me that he's in it for the money.
How short some people's memories are. 'Why don't you give some of your money to the players TB?' I did not a week or so ago? I spent today organising 3 seperate series of showmatches to put money into the hands of players, negotiating with sponsors to make sure they got the best deal. For me, it does not make good business sense to use time doing that, but I did it, because it's not just about what makes the most bank. Little bit more reality. Starcraft 2 is my lowest grossing source of income, yet is very time-consuming. My WoW stuff, my interviews, my gaming first impressions and reviews, my DC Universe playthrough, they kick the shit out of my SC2 VoDs view-wise. Think about how retarded this is for a second. I cast some high level games and they get about 25-30k views each. I do a 6 minute video me playing Black Ops Gungame rambling about nothing in particular, it gets 90k views. I do a video of some random indie game that popped up on Steam at 3am, I get 350k views. I have WoW videos that have 1.5 million views EACH. It is not good business sense for me to spend time doing Starcraft 2 content. I do it because I love it and I want it to grow. It does not make business sense for me to cast low-level tournaments, livestream, hell even cast the best players. It does not make good business sense to give every sponsorship I get directly to the players and not take a cut. And once again, this could come off as holier than thou but in reality, it's just fact. I swear, you only have to look at the numbers to figure this out. It's not about business sense, it's about being passionate about something that's awesome and wanting it to get better. And guess what, passionate people can sometimes look like assholes in the process because we get caught up in the emotional side of things. Sorry about that. I love eSports, so fuckin sue me.
may I add your indie steam games reviews helped me a lot ?
Thanks for your efforts =D
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Osaka27173 Posts
I think everyone has become suitably enraged about an issue that personally affects a very small % of our forum-going population. The requisite number of insults have been hurled. And, best of all, we have been treated to dozens of gems from Incontrol.
Let's let the issue rest for a week until we can bring this all up again.
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Kennigit
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On January 20 2011 09:10 Highways wrote:
What happened to Moderation on TL wtf.
Why are all the trolls allowed to derail the thread and do nothing but slag on the casters. TL is becoming a circus seriously. This thread is detrimental to everyone involved.
How is this thread providing constructive ideas on helping esports grow? It doesn't, it's just trying to alienate as much people as possible.
You have a report button? Use it.
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