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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:55 Erandorr wrote: Well i was actually just trying to start an interesting discussion when a british caster decided to wave his dick around and actually started all this shit . Did I miss anything? Gotta love when people claim they want to start a "discussion" when in reality they just want others to agree so they feel like they're right. It's hard to discuss an issue with someone when they refuse to listen to you and bash you instead. TB came into this discussion and shared his point of view. You have no right to belittle him for that. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Then there are people who don't deserve that, because they are terrible. But that doesn't mean that great casters will make money and vice versa. The world is not fair, oh no, how shameful. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:03 gulati wrote: Casting requires work. We are not speaking about the science defintion of work, meaning the amount of joules of output blah blah blah. We are speaking of the layman's term definition of work. Casting is difficult; it requires certain talents and skills that not any average joe can do. Lets see you face the pressure of having 9,000 live viewers listening to your every breath each night for an hour. I assure you that you would be on the verge of a panic attack. (I know for god damn sure I would, and I am not afraid to admit it). So no, you are wrong. They are doing work. The replays are free because players choose to upload them for free. And "potentially several thousand dollars"- go ahead and tell any commentator to publicly state how much they make per replay. I will bow down to you if it's even close to a thousand. You are living in a fantasy world. I don't think its an issue if they "deserve" the money or not because what they do is constituted as "work". There's already money flowing their way - if you were a caster and you found out you could sustain your own life by doing what you love wouldn't you keep the money? I can think of a few more jobs imo that don't deserve as much money, and I can think of a few jobs with very hardworking people who get pittance. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
random idea: something nice would be a fund made by casters and tournaments that supports players and teams in some way. if theres enough money then they can pay for travels/food/hotels of the players. but I really dont know if something like that can work. | ||
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stinger_ro
90 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:04 Backpack wrote: Gotta love when people claim they want to start a "discussion" when in reality they just want others to agree so they feel like they're right. It's hard to discuss an issue with someone when they refuse to listen to you and bash you instead. TB came into this discussion and shared his point of view. You have no right to belittle him for that. There's nothing to discuss. Unless you are 15 and can't see past the .. they don't deserve it because its easy to do and i find them unlikeable. | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
Look, I just learned to use your logic. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:00 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I love it when any thread on this site mentions HD or Husky in a negative light because you damn well know within minutes TotalBiscut will be here telling everyone how HDH are the greatest humans known to man, save children in their spare time, and will cure every disease on the planet. I just read all his posts in my head as if he was casting it with his super epic voice and it's pretty fun  !I personally think that there is a nice synergy and without these casters promoting the players. I also don't know any caster that is capable of currently making up to $87,000 a month like a pro player..... I think there is plenty of undiscovered and discovered ways for pro gamers to make extra $. I don't think replays is a good one however. You know honestly if it was Tastless/artosis/day9/djwheat/raelcun/diggity making this kind of money I wouldn't mind. But when it's people like HD/Husky/TB, who are complete dicks and act like they don't care about the community other than the fact that they use them to make money and do their bidding, get to make all this money from doing almost nothing with a youtube channel. With Tasteless/artosis/day9/djwheat and those guys I really get a sense that they love the game and love the community and they are doing it because they love the game, if they got paid half as much they'd still be doing it in their free time. In fact, Day9 and DJWheat ARE doing it in their free time, and you know it's because they love esports and love SC2. When TB comes in here acting like a dick just because people start talking about him giving 5% of his SC2 casting income to the players he's casting it just shows me that he's in it for the money. User was warned for this post | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:07 stinger_ro wrote: There's nothing to discuss. Unless you are 15 and can't see past the .. they don't deserve it because its easy to do and i find them unlikeable. That's awesome. It's too bad not everyone shares your opinion. It doesn't matter if you think they're crap, a lot of other people disagree and that's why they get money. I think McDonalds is crap food, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be where it is because clearly a lot of people are satisfied with it. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
There's a difference between doing some wow videos and SC2, because generally you are casting high level players who have put way more hours into being good at SC2 than you have (whoever you are) at being good at casting games. And in some cases you're downright terrible at it and know fuck all about the game. I can completely understand if it doesn't sit well with people when that goes on. But it's not their fault and I don't blame them or something. It does bother me a bit, but what bothers me more is when they have the audacity to inform us how they are such vital cogs in the ESPORTS machine while tons of players slave away for nothing. The fact is you can't make much money playing SC2. The very best will make decent bank, but even the 2nd best may as well go do something else. Guys like Incontrol will make way more money coaching than he ever will playing, and for every Inc who makes money coaching there's guy who can be even better than him and not even get coaching money because they focus more on playing. That I think is really unfortunate. Not that there's tons of casters making bank doing SC2 but still, to me it does nothing for the validity of ESPORTS as a profession | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
IMO the players should get something in return besides prize money Yeah, if only big name teams paid the salary to their players... | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
In short, more viewers = higher salaries. It is VERY short sighted to insult casters for doing what they are doing because, in fact, without people like Tasteless and Artosis and DJwheat, the game could never grow and all that does is hurt everyone. | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
Why are all the trolls allowed to derail the thread and do nothing but slag on the casters. TL is becoming a circus seriously. This thread is detrimental to everyone involved. How is this thread providing constructive ideas on helping esports grow? It doesn't, it's just trying to alienate as much people as possible. | ||
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stinger_ro
90 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:08 aike wrote: You know honestly if it was Tastless/artosis/day9/djwheat/raelcun/diggity making this kind of money I wouldn't mind. But when it's people like HD/Husky/TB, who are complete dicks and act like they don't care about the community other than the fact that they use them to make money and do their bidding, get to make all this money from doing almost nothing with a youtube channel. With Tasteless/artosis/day9/djwheat and those guys I really get a sense that they love the game and love the community and they are doing it because they love the game, if they got paid half as much they'd still be doing it in their free time. In fact, Day9 and DJWheat ARE doing it in their free time, and you know it's because they love esports and love SC2. When TB comes in here acting like a dick just because people start talking about him giving 5% of his SC2 casting income to the players he's casting it just shows me that he's in it for the money. Style is not an issue here. How are they not helping the community - they are making it grow - and are doing so better and faster then others - hence more money for them ? How are they dicks - i see no arguments or examples ? HD and Husky led me to TL - then i discovered day9 and the GSL. Greatest service they could ever do ... and i didnt have to pay a thing and neither do you - don't want to help them .. don't watch their casts // but don't be a dick and complain about them as if people had no right to enjoy them according to some personal high held personal standard. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:05 clickrush wrote: IMO the players should get something in return besides prize money. random idea: something nice would be a fund made by casters and tournaments that supports players and teams in some way. if theres enough money then they can pay for travels/food/hotels of the players. but I really dont know if something like that can work. Players have a salary from their team, granted it may not be much depending on the player/team. Keep in mind SC2 is still a relatively new game without an established scene like BW, so big money is not going to be involved yet (think Bisu going from MBC to SKT1 for a reported 200k) | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
Re-read that statement, and think about life for a second. You seriously think for a second that any caster can beat that? There is a reason only a VERY select few do (if any, atleast- and I doubt anyone is actually even close, since there is no REAL sources, only estimations, which are wild at best). It's because of talent. Nobody got to the top for no reason. I praise anyone who can make a living doing this, because it is nearly impossible. College degrees will always outshine temporary revenue fads in the long run. Mark my word. | ||
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stinger_ro
90 Posts
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:54 Erandorr wrote: Thank you that was the point i was trying to make with my ill phrased OP . In a perfect world there would be an easy way to reward the players, but you obviously cant force casters to share the money they make. Some of them are not as succesful as Husky and might need every cent they get but the same goes for the less succesful progamers. An interesting idea that Day9 started for exactly one week was his mini tournament where he gave back some of the money he made .. for exactly one week but i think that might be actually not a bad idea. How about a weekly tournament by Huskyor HD where they give some of their own money back to the community? I agree with caster doing tournament to help players expose but i find funny with "give some of their own money back to the community". If I'm not wrong 80% of TL members hates HD and husky and i bet they are not subscribed to their youtube channel. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:52 resilve wrote: I dont know how the college situation works in the USA - but in terms of SC2 I am 99% sure day9 could make several fold his current income from the game if he had the time and inclination. The fact that he isn't is most likely an expression of his view on life, work-load or comfort with his situation, I would have thought. But surely you counter your own argument? Casters ARE making money by sitting on their asses? They get replays for free and with minimal effort (visit a replay site, hit download on a big name) and spend about 20-30 minutes recording commentary, editing, and uploading - and get potentially several thousand dollars? In what way do they have to work hard to make money? There are a couple dozen casters on youtube. Only a select few have a million billion viewers. It takes more than just hitting download and casting for half an hour. It takes skill, knowledge, time, and commitment to retain a viewership. And that's not to mention having a huge amount of luck to be in the right place at the right time (ie with HDH and the beginning of SC2 esports). | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
You know honestly if it was Tastless/artosis/day9/djwheat/raelcun/diggity making this kind of money I wouldn't mind So who is to decide who should or should not profit from commentating?When TB comes in here acting like a dick just because people start talking about him giving 5% of his SC2 casting income to the players he's casting it just shows me that he's in it for the money. TB did sponsor a few show matches and donated to SCRI prize fund. | ||
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