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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
HD/Husky helped give a voice to the hundreds of thousands of newbs that complained about 2v2/3v3 balance. Without them we'd have flux vanes. You guys remember the horrible era of flux vanes? | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:31 aike wrote: You're no HD or Husky, so you wouldn't know how much somebody who generates as many views as they do makes. If you ask me, he's way above Husky and HD in terms of entertainment. Hell, I'd say, when it comes to play by play, no one is better than TB. | ||
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ShyRamen
United States322 Posts
somewhere i read around 100k a year LMAO LMAO i.e. husky makes about 20k a year | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:28 Chill wrote: Can we not make stupid ass comments like these please? FUCK. It's a complicated issue with many viewpoints, and your dumb ass is going to come in here and ask a fucking retarded rhetorical question like it should be inherently obvious to everyone? Incontroll's posts here haven't exactly been more useful. They are probably the cleverest ones in the thread, but does that merit exemption? I don't see that sort of thing being any better for the forums as a whole. lol people have no idea how much youtube partnership pays.. somewhere i read around 100k a year LMAO LMAO i.e. husky makes about 20k a year er got any proof that you're knowledgeable in the matter? | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
Nal_Ra, Kingdom, etc. make "X" money from OnGameNet/MBCGame as casters (they are arguably 2 of the most badass casters in Korean broadcasting to date). We do not need to be angry about casting just because SC2 casters are making "X+1" money from the comfort of their homes. Just be content that we are getting quality entertainment, and it is growing esports. Eventually, I forsee gamers overtaking casters in terms of salary. But that only comes with a high-level of exposure first, which is what the casters are providing the community. Sorry if my opinion seems too conservative, that is just the way I feel about gaming; less arguing, more happiness  | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
I didn't know team liquid existed, until Husky or HD mentioned it in one of their casts. I watch their shows for the entertainment value. If I really wanted to learn more about strategy, I can always visit the team liquid strategy forum and hash things out there. It's boring just looking at a replay with no play-by-play, commentary, and analysis. Part of the fun watching "sports" is not only the game, but the broadcasters, too. They bring life to the games. Casters, players, sponsors, and viewers are intricately tied together in what we call the e-sports scene. Without one, the whole fabric would fall apart. So, I don't think we should bash the casters. We should praise them for their work and contribution for making starcraft more popular in mainstream media. The players need exposure. The casters provide the platform and spotlight. Large amount of viewers are able to watch the casts. Sponsors like to see large amount of viewers taking an interest. They decide to invest in a tournament or in a team, hoping it would bring them more exposure to their brands. As the players become more popular through various caster's youtube channels and streams of tournament, more viewers will be tuning in. This makes sponsors happy and they will invest more money into tournaments and more money into teams. This is only good for the players. | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: There are 4 vital elements to eSports and without even one of those, eSports doesn't work. Looks something like this. Players <> Casters <> Viewers <> Sponsors And how exactly does making casters pay for the material (other, legit casters have to (be employed by people who) pay for licenses, by the way, so it's not a far-fetched notion by any means) take casters (who create revenue) out of the equation? | ||
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kvn4444
1510 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:02 Alizee- wrote: I'll just make a clear post to address this and why I believe many of you are wrong. Right now there is a disparity between what casters and players are making. That's clear as day as the "stars" of the game should be the ones making the most. what you dont acknowlege, is that sometimes, i will watch a game, not because player X is playing in it, but because incontrol is casting it. so im interested in game because of caster, not a player, but you say it's clear as day, that player should earn more? also, your work is worth only as much as someone is willing to pay you. if there are casters that earn more than players, then that's the way it's supposed be. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
Look at the old broodwar community, when people talk about Mondragon you could have ANY person in the entire world to be "the caster" give them a brief introduction to said caster about how big of a deal he is and bam, you have excitement. Now contrast that with we have the worst lineup of players everrrr at a tournament, but its casted by a big name woo! It doesn't work, players win out and if your appeal is to a caster instead of to a game and its players, you won't have the long term draw that is necessary to build something up. To draw a reference, and no offense to those named, Tyler commented on the absurdity of how thousands of people watch people play Day9 play the word game instead of actually watching people play. Exactly how does e-sports grow with starcraft2 if they're more concerned with a word game? I don't care what's right or what's wrong or who should make this or whatever, bottom line is the priorities are all out of whack. No offense to the sub 100 posters, but when you guys are here in 5 years, let me know then I'll give credit where credit is due. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:29 iNcontroL wrote: It isn't like casters don't make this community better? HD/Husky helped give a voice to the hundreds of thousands of newbs that complained about 2v2/3v3 balance. Without them we'd have flux vanes. You guys remember the horrible era of flux vanes? And you complain about people trolling do you  All i wanted to do is start an interesting openminded discussion with thought about arguments and respectful behavior by all participants. Is that really too much to ask in a forum? + Show Spoiler + /resigned cynism | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Casters tirelessly sit in their house and commentate for a solid 15~30 fucking minutes A DAY on games that are extremely hard to describe. They painfully tax their brain to understanding something that would normally take years to master.. Lets not mention the top tier casters? Day9 almost weekly removes himself from the comforts of his own home to fly to scary, distant lands where he has never been and see people he has never met JUST TO COMMENTATE FOR YOU. Does he do it for the money? Sure. Does he do it for the experience? I guess. But mostly he does it because he is brave. Tasteless and Artosis banished themselves from their home country.. left behind women, fame, money.. their mothers.. and are now living in isolation. FORCED to wear stupid jackets and sit in a high place while describing GSL games. You wonder why Tasteless is sick all the time? And you have the audacity to call to question a man as heroic as he making money commentating? | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
Can we please stop hating players for not wanting to have other profit from their work? Hardly anyone is able to make a decent living from tournament winnings. There is absolutely no reason to stop the cash flow at the caster; I say something like royalties determined by a % of a casters income from a replay should be passed on to the players in question. This way, small time casters and guys like Husky/HD could coexist with no one unable to "afford" the reps of certain players. If you have no viewers, the replay is free. | ||
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PatouPower
Canada1119 Posts
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:30 craz3d wrote: If you ask me, he's way above Husky and HD in terms of entertainment. Hell, I'd say, when it comes to play by play, no one is better than TB. i am not trying to be mean but i really do not get how people can find husky or tb interesting or entertaining, at all. tb for example, all he has going for him is the good commentators voice. his sensationalism just seems obnoxious to me. compared to tasteless, artosis and even day9 he just seems worthless. he knows close to nothing about the game :/ ive been trying to get a friend to watch/play sc recently. i show him tastosis quote videos and live gsl and he loves it. im pretty sure id just embarrass sc if i showed him some totalbiscuit. | ||
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IskatuMesk
Canada969 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:37 Dagobert wrote: And how exactly does making casters pay for the material (other, legit casters have to (be employed by people who) pay for licenses, by the way, so it's not a far-fetched notion by any means) take casters (who create revenue) out of the equation? When casters put on tournaments, they need to get approval from Blizzard, so I guess that's a form of a license. However, I don't think the casters are paying blizzard for the right to host and organize tournaments. | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:39 PatouPower wrote: I am pretty sure all replays are the property of Blizzard anyways, since they created the format and the script to record in-game actions. One would have to read the contract, but I am pretty sure we are not the direct owners of our own replays, thus we cannot sell them. I could be wrong though... Its more an argument of ethics and morality than legality. Blizzard owns everything, we all bow to their decision. Every post in this entire thread is moot because of that. However what people 'feel' is right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable is a different matter. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On January 20 2011 06:50 iNcontroL wrote: Yeah the programs associated with casting alone cost nearly dozens of dollars. Have you guys factored that in at all? Ustream producer pro: $199 Vegas: $599 / Premiere $799 Maybe they use something else or pirate these but I dunno. HD Webcam: $28+ That's probably 85 and a half dozens already. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:38 iNcontroL wrote: This is ridiculous.. Casters tirelessly sit in their house and commentate for a solid 15~30 fucking minutes A DAY on games that are extremely hard to describe. They painfully tax their brain to understanding something that would normally take years to master.. Lets not mention the top tier casters? Day9 almost weekly removes himself from the comforts of his own home to fly to scary, distant lands where he has never been and see people he has never met JUST TO COMMENTATE FOR YOU. Does he do it for the money? Sure. Does he do it for the experience? I guess. But mostly he does it because he is brave. Tasteless and Artosis banished themselves from their home country.. left behind women, fame, money.. their mothers.. and are now living in isolation. FORCED to wear stupid jackets and sit in a high place while describing GSL games. You wonder why Tasteless is sick all the time? And you have the audacity to call to question a man as heroic as he making money commentating? Incontrol i usually respect your rants, may they be ironic or not. But come on first of im not talking about tournament casters but replays. Those dont apply here . Aren't you , as a mod responsible to keeping threads like this on track and not disrupted by ,even the most humorous of posts with no actual value (entertainment excluded) | ||
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