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SolidusR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States217 Posts
January 18 2011 04:26 GMT
#61
Random situation: Your MMR is matched with a terran player, and you are zerg. It sees that you have downvoted two separate maps but you shared the third one. You subsequently have 5 maps eliminated from your joint map pool, and the choice is taken from there.

Random situation #2: Your MMR is matched with what happens to be another zerg player. You have both downvoted the exact same maps. You subsequently lose 3 maps from the map pool. The choice is made with more possible maps than in the first scenario.

This is how it works. It doesn't check to see who has which maps downvoted in order to avoid pairing those people who have opposite maps downvoted from playing each other. You just have a very limited set of maps at your disposal, which is fine. You will experience playing way more zergs than anyother race as zerg if you happen to be playing on scrap station, but that is completely irrelevant to the process of selecting your opponent. It's as random as playing random and getting zerg 4 times in a row, map downvotes don't matter at all.
Coramoor
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada455 Posts
January 18 2011 04:35 GMT
#62
I don't downvote any map and i've played about 2 terrans on the ladder over the last 4 or 5 days, about 7 zergs and about 25 protosses or so, i think bnet is just in a sick mood for ladders, atm and ancedotally, i've heard the same from a lot of other protosses while discussing at the start of the game, it's lead to a lot more cheese from protoss players sick of playing each other but hey
brownthing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States189 Posts
January 18 2011 04:44 GMT
#63
On January 18 2011 07:16 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2011 07:02 Dezire wrote:
why would you downvote LT as a zerg?


Cliff drops


Also, the bug where you can tell where a zerg player spawned at the start of the game.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2011 04:50 GMT
#64
VETOED MAPS have LITTLE INFLUENCE on your odds of getting a particular matchup.

BNET, we assume since this is the most logical way, chooses an opponent first based on MMR and availability, then chooses the map.

No matter what combination of vetoes you and someone else has, there will always be a map available to play on. You will always have some maps that aren't down-voted by either player.

At the very least, vetoing maps will increase your chances of facing certain races on certain maps.

ZvZ on Scrap Station will be more common, yes, but ZvZ in general won't necessarily be more common, because there will always be maps where ZvT and ZvP can happen. BNET should not try to let you play on one map all the time, or on all maps all the time. As far as we know the maps are chosen at random after an opponent is chosen.

Caveat: some days it feels like bnet favors one map over all the rest.. if this is true then your vetoes can affect the prevalence of mirror matchups. But again we don't know what happens behind the scenes, and it seems illogical for bnet to do this.

So again: MAP VETOES can affect the prevalence of mirror matchups on certain maps, but NOT IN GENERAL because there will always be available maps to play on regardless of your combination of vetoed maps.
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Shrewmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia199 Posts
January 18 2011 05:00 GMT
#65
Pretty sure it matches you with an opponent before a map is chosen. It's a very human thing to see patterns in randomness.
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