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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 21:59:49
January 17 2011 20:28 GMT
#1
Lately I seem to be playing ZvZ consistently around or above 50%, more like 60% of my matches, and I feel that it is starting to have a real negative impact on my enjoyment of 1v1.

Is this trend caused by me and other zergs downvoting JB, SOW and LT, while the other races are downvoting metalopolis, or am I just being dicked with by Battle.net?

Sorry if this thread should rather have been a blog post, wasn't completely sure where to post it.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 17 2011 20:30 GMT
#2
Your probably just getting screwed by bnet. I find it hard to believe that among the millions of players on bnet that everyone has the same maps downvoted and are thus causing the mirror matchups.

P.S. The maps suck
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
January 17 2011 20:31 GMT
#3
It has been talked about before. Certain times of the day has more of certain races (not a large difference) and down voting is as you say. Zerg favoured maps are down voted by the other races, while you down vote those that are worst for zerg. Means the map pool you have have more z than other races in it.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 23:29:38
January 17 2011 20:32 GMT
#4
hm.
i have a map downed and i have been getting a ridiculous amount of TvT.

however just for the sake of bnets bugginess, ill try unchecking and record my results and compare them

unchecking so far hasnt done anything, at least not yet noticeably.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
January 17 2011 20:33 GMT
#5
You'll need at least 1000 games worth of records for those results to be reliable.
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Coutcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada519 Posts
January 17 2011 20:35 GMT
#6
same here since i downvoted JB, SOW and DQ i get a LOT more ZvZ
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Natt
Profile Joined August 2010
France253 Posts
January 17 2011 20:37 GMT
#7
I got few ZvZ, and i haven't veto any map. The most played map is Xel'naga, and i got few more ZvP than ZvT.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 20:41:26
January 17 2011 20:40 GMT
#8
I don't think anyone downvotes Meta... but I would say it definitely plays a part. I play an obscenely high amount of P's and T's when it matches me on Jungle though.

Personally I've downvoted Steppes, Blistering, and Scrap as a T.

On January 18 2011 05:33 Firebolt145 wrote:
You'll need at least 1000 games worth of records for those results to be reliable.


No you wouldn't, you could have less than 100 for them to be reliable.
Diderick
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands298 Posts
January 17 2011 20:41 GMT
#9
Just downvote scrap, and meta, and you will almost never play zvz
grimm42
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany7 Posts
January 17 2011 20:42 GMT
#10
Actually, the matchmaking system is looking for your opponent first and then the map is decided. So your down votes aren't affecting who you play or against what race you play.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
January 17 2011 20:43 GMT
#11
I don't downvote. When I get LT or something I just try some stupid stuff like proxyhatch or something.
But even without the downvotes I still get alot of ZvZ, like yesterday had 4 zvz's in a row. I was like NO FRIGGIN WAY! RAGE 7POOL!!! Gg's
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
January 17 2011 20:43 GMT
#12
I am pretty confident that it is all in your heads. I have heard before (around retail) that you are matched with an opponent and then the map is chosen. This means that both players vetos are taken into account and what maps you have vetoed have no bearing on who you play.
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danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 20:50:58
January 17 2011 20:44 GMT
#13
i assume in upper leagues (diamond,masters) the general opinion for any given race revolves around same maps when it comes about exclusions so chances are this phenomenon is way more noticeable up there than it is on lower leagues where people downvote maps based on subjectivity.

so yeah, if youre diamond or upper this could be the reason you're getting more mirror matches



if it's opponent first, preferences cant cause mirrors
ICA
Profile Joined January 2011
498 Posts
January 17 2011 20:44 GMT
#14
But still it just makes perfect sense that this increases the likelihood of mirrors. If everyone vetoes maps that are bad for his race and good for others this will cause more mirror matches.
regulator_mk
Profile Joined June 2010
United States127 Posts
January 17 2011 20:50 GMT
#15
On January 18 2011 05:43 Moa wrote:
I am pretty confident that it is all in your heads. I have heard before (around retail) that you are matched with an opponent and then the map is chosen. This means that both players vetos are taken into account and what maps you have vetoed have no bearing on who you play.


I believe this is correct. It's how they did it in war3, and it's really the only logical way to do it. It would make no sense to choose your opponent based on map preferences.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
January 17 2011 20:55 GMT
#16
I think it's just unlucky draw, I have no downvoted maps and get mostly Zerg opponents too, most often when I go outside my level to a higher one I get Zerg just so i can tank my rating in this matchup.
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Toast.yum
Profile Joined May 2010
51 Posts
January 17 2011 20:57 GMT
#17
Opponent is chosen before map. Maps make no difference as far as what matchups you'll get on ladder.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
January 17 2011 20:58 GMT
#18
If map was chosen before player, then that would make it possible. But since the player is most likely chosen first then all vetoing does is makes certain maps in certain matchups more likely.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
MadZ
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark111 Posts
January 17 2011 20:58 GMT
#19
i get zvz 50-70% of my games too and i havent downvoted any maps.. i get it alot on steppes actually
ScrubS
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands436 Posts
January 17 2011 21:00 GMT
#20
This is very true actually. It HAS to be. For example: most terrans downvote Scrap Station because zerg is very strong on that map. While zerg players will almost never downvote Scrap Station themselves. This will result into a higher percentage of zerg players playing Scrap Station, thus resulting into more mirror matches. Enough said.
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