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Tasteless Apologized on the stream for what he said previously for those that are interested it is in the code A matchups not sure bout the particular vod.
Also JunnkaGom responded his post is below. page 14/15 (I have a terrible short term memory i was just on that page facepalm)
On January 03 2011 21:56 JunkkaGom wrote:
I feel bad for making this guy feel guilty. I was taken aback by the offer but could really tell he meant no harm and was just trying to offer help. He even said he will do it for free. At the moment I admit I was little offended but just said that it's not an easy job as it looks. I think it was very brave of him to tell me that in person. It is unnecessary to feel sorry for doing something you feel is right to do.I apologize on Tasteless's behalf if he made you feel bad. I was not aware he made such statement during casting. It was just a misunderstanding between a faithful friend and an enthusiastic fan.
Hey guys i was on the gomtv forums and saw this post from a guy. regarding tastless rant about the random guy who said he could do johns job better.
also could someone tell which vods is the rant or wat tastless said becuase i missed the live cast
edit: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/forum/58683 original post on gomtv
+ Show Spoiler +I have an embarrassing story to tell everyone.
I've been a great fan of Tasteless since the old Brood War days. He was the single most entertaining, funny, and clever caster I had heard of. I liked him so much that even though I had the convenient option of watching Brood War on TV, I'd often go through the trouble of finding matches he casted on YouTube.
Now lately, I've been having a little trouble. I used to work for a logistics company loading and unloading trucks filled with cargo. It was hours of intense physical labor for minimum wage, but I had no choice but to do it because I have no family or friends that can otherwise support me. When things got tough and my boss started to lower my wages, I ultimately ended up quitting. Ever since then, I've been looking for a job. I've finally managed to succeed in finding one, but only very recently.
In the few months while I was unemployed, I started playing and following SC2. When I heard Tasteless was casting SC2, I was overjoyed. There have been very few casts I've missed since I started watching.
Earlier on, I noticed that the translator, John, was having a little trouble interpreting. I had read from some place or another that John was in fact a producer for the show who also happened to be an English speaker that was interpreting the interviews. Since I happened to be looking for a job at the same time, I started wondering if there was a way I could help out, or even get a job with GomTV. Around then, I came to know of the story of how Tasteless started his casting career, and I became inspired to give my fair fortune a try. By then, John's interpreting had improved to the point that his mistakes were extremely rare and insignificant, but I would have loved to have a job that wouldn't make my entire body ache every night and day. And besides, it's not as though I would be hurting anyone, right?
I summoned all my courage to go down to the studio, but when I came face-to-face with Tasteless, of whom I had been a fan for years, along with John himself, I got nervous, and I choked. I blanked out and forgot what I practiced to say. I knew I was going to be forever mad at myself if I never tried, though, so I forced myself to stutter out something along the lines of what I had meant to ask.
But boy, was I wrong. Turns out John isn't some producer who happens to speak English. On the other hand, what I had asked them, was, in fact, to take over John's whole job. All signs had been pointing to the fact for weeks, but I, with a mind clouded by high hopes, failed to recognize them. And for what seems to be the millionth time in my barely-average life, I not only managed to sound like an idiot, but also a total dick.
I was so nervous for being face-to-face with Tasteless, I was so embarrassed for what I had done. that the thought of apologizing never even occurred to me, and I just walked right out of the studio. By the time I realized what I had forgotten I was already half-way across the city, and all I could do was hope they would just forget about it and pass it off as some idiot spewing crap out of his mouth.
Unfortunately for me, though, I got a shout-out during last night's cast. It's not that I never wanted one - just not for something like this. I'm angry that Tasteless did something like that. I'm angry that now, every time I watch GSL, go to the forums, or even play a game on the ladder things will never be the same. I'm angry that whatever I say now is nothing more than an excuse. But more than anything, I'm angry at myself and the fact that this is all my fault, and that's why it hurts.
Maybe I should have never made this post. Maybe I should have let everything fade into amnesia and let the human brain do its work. But I am so ashamed that I can't even post this with my usual nickname, and I am so ashamed for what I have done that it's 2am and I can't fall asleep, even though I need to for work tomorrow. But the fact remains that I'm an utter moron, and this is what I deserve.
Dear John,
I never bothered to stop and think of the implications of what I was asking of you. You are doing a wonderful job and you have made incredible improvements in your last If I ever caused you any distress, I apologize; I am sorry. I hope you understand what an idiot I am. 애초에 제가 주제넘게 나설 자리가 아니었지만 이제와서 뭐라 한들 소용이 없네요. 진심으로 사과드립니다.
Dear Tasteless,
I want to believe you were having a bad day with regards to what happened, but the truth is that I was the idiot and I got what I deserved. I still am your fan, and because of you and Artosis I will continue to choose to watch the English stream. I still appreciate the work you've done and are still doing.
I'm sorry.
I'm an idiot.
this story reminds me of wat my dad said to me dont go to a job interview at coca-cola carrying a pepsi and thinking that they make it there. (i.e. do ur research)
other than that i feel sorry for the guy
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delted my transcription and pasted in GGQ's u find it halfway down the first page
+ Show Spoiler +Tasteless: So I gotta, heh... the story I didn't get to tell during the TvT.
*Tasteless looks at Artosis. Artosis is looking down and sort of shaking his head with an awkward grin. (I feel like Artosis didn't think Tasteless should tell the story on air, but that's just my interpretation)*
Tasteless: So we're in the studio, uh, it was like last season and some guy comes up to us, he goes "hi, uh...", and John's there with me, he goes "I... just wanna point something out". And we're like "Oh ok, yeah sure go ahead". And he's like "I noticed that sometimes... in the interviews, uh, John has made... small errors... in translation... and... uh... I wanna know if I can do it". I was like-
*Tasteless does a very over-exaggerated double-take.*
Tasteless: Uhhhhh no, person we don't know, heh. John does a perfectly fine job and he works very hard. So... don't do that if you come down here.
*Tasteless and Artosis nod at each other*
Tasteless: Am I right?
Artosis: Yeah, thats...
Tasteless: Am I right? You weren't there to see this.
Artosis: Yeah I know.
Tasteless: You've only heard the tale.
Artosis: I don't know...
Tasteless: It's pretty bad.
Artosis: It's kinda sad, but...
Tasteless: Yeah, uh... some people just don't know, heh-
Artosis: Yep.
Tasteless: -what it's like to be a human.
*Tasteless then transitions into plugging sponsors*
my own veiw is that the guy shouldnt have done wat he did at the same time i dont think u should said "some people just dont know, what its like to be human" i couldnt believe u said that (rewatched it three times to be sure)
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Wow, that's pretty rough actually. I feel sorry for the guy. It takes balls to make a post like that on the forums, too.
(And for anyone wondering, this is about the story that Tasteless told at the very end of the first day of GSL matches a few hours ago. So it'll be the end of the last vod if you wanna hear it yourself)
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thx sorry for double post
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just watched it is the last vod of the set about 2-3 mins after the game ends.
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Massive respect for this guy - it takes guts and a good conscience to own up to a mistake on this level. A lesser man would just disappear.
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It's too bad things worked out that way. I'm confident that everyone involved can forgive and forget though. Props to you for being up-front about the issue!
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Aww, I must have missed the Tasteless rant. When exactly did this happen?
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Darn, I missed the part when Tasteless said this, and I don't have a season ticket. Can someone please fill me in on what he said?
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It takes guts to say what this random guy said. Many people are dicks and indeed will never see their own mistakes but this guy isn't.
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good on him I think they could likely find some sort of job and allow him to apprentice somewhere.. I mean he is only wanting to help regardless of how it came off.
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I knew this guy isn't as bad as they said he is. He actually sounds like a really nice person!
Desperate people just say/do desperate things. That's just all that happened.
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Interesting story. I respect the man.
Link? To save future readers the trouble?
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I dearly hope John and Tasteless read this. Everbody makes mistakes.
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I didn't catch the matches this morning, what did Tasteless say on GOM?
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whats wrong with tasteless now?
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TBH, what happens behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors. Tasteless was way out of line when he went about dissing a person who wasnt even there to defend himself. If a guy acts like a dick, you tell it to his face instead of going off on a rant in public without the said person being around.
My $0.02.
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That's why John is doing this and not this guy, because John can do it in front of Thousands of people. Respect of this guy though, takes balls to come out and apologize like that.
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On January 03 2011 03:29 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I didn't catch the matches this morning, what did Tasteless say on GOM?
I second this. What exactly did Tasteless say?
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Tasteless just made a joke out of it. He talked about some guy that came in and was like 'Hey uhhhh i noted your translater is bad uhhhhh so can i have his job?' And then he was like 'No, guy I don't know, you can't have my friend's job! What? Are you kidding me?' etc and then he and Artosis lightly trashed him for a minute.
I think this post from the guy explains it well. Just a misunderstanding blown out of proportion. Keep your chin up dude, no need to feel ashamed.
edit- the VODs are up already, I'll watch and do a full transcript. one minute
Tasteless: So I gotta, heh... the story I didn't get to tell during the TvT.
*Tasteless looks at Artosis. Artosis is looking down and sort of shaking his head with an awkward grin. (I feel like Artosis didn't think Tasteless should tell the story on air, but that's just my interpretation)*
Tasteless: So we're in the studio, uh, it was like last season and some guy comes up to us, he goes "hi, uh...", and John's there with me, he goes "I... just wanna point something out". And we're like "Oh ok, yeah sure go ahead". And he's like "I noticed that sometimes... in the interviews, uh, John has made... small errors... in translation... and... uh... I wanna know if I can do it". I was like-
*Tasteless does a very over-exaggerated double-take.*
Tasteless: Uhhhhh no, person we don't know, heh. John does a perfectly fine job and he works very hard. So... don't do that if you come down here.
*Tasteless and Artosis nod at each other*
Tasteless: Am I right?
Artosis: Yeah, thats...
Tasteless: Am I right? You weren't there to see this.
Artosis: Yeah I know.
Tasteless: You've only heard the tale.
Artosis: I don't know...
Tasteless: It's pretty bad.
Artosis: It's kinda sad, but...
Tasteless: Yeah, uh... some people just don't know, heh-
Artosis: Yep.
Tasteless: -what it's like to be a human.
*Tasteless then transitions into plugging sponsors*
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god im confused. Sounds sad though
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Well it's certainly good of him to explain what actually happened. I think he really needed to get it off his chest so he can start to put it behind him and move on. I for one know how easy it is to make mistakes like that and suffer the consequences.
Maybe he should just go down to the studio sometime and just apologise face to face, not for Nick or John's benefit, but for his. Anyways, best of luck to the guy.
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asperger's is a hell of a syndrome
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I hope Tasteless/John reads that post. Sounds like a lot of it was just caused by a misunderstanding.
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On January 03 2011 03:36 Telcontar wrote:
Well it's certainly good of him to explain what actually happened. I think he really needed to get it off his chest so he can start to put it behind him and move on. I for one know how easy it is to make mistakes like that and suffer the consequences.
Maybe he should just go down to the studio sometime and just apologise face to face, not for Nick or John's benefit, but for his. Anyways, best of luck to the guy.
Exactly what i got from this. I could see him wanting to say something instead of it just boiling under your skin.
Hopefully he gets a proper shoutout!
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I just hope everything works out okay in the end for this guy because he is a good person and deserves respect.
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I think that to a certain extent tastless was sort of justified in wat he said especially in this economy, think about how would u feel if some came in and effectively said fire him and hire me becuase im better at his job.
At the same time i dont think that the last thing that tastless said was called for, probly should apologize for that part. my 2cs
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very unnecessary for Tasteless to do it on air, personal feelings aside, you don't do something like that in such a callous way
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I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant.
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I think this is making a big deal out of a whole lot of nothing.
So some rambunctious fan said that he wanted to do John's job. Why did Tasteless feel the need to say anything to begin with? Like celebrities don't get strange offers from fans all the time? Like if I send a letter to Conan O'Brien saying that I want to be his producer because I think I could do a better job, should I get shouted out on the air?
I think it's nice the guy apologized and all, but I really don't see why this has turned into a cross community drama.
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Was completely unnecessary by both the guy and Tasteless. I'm personally not even interested in stuff like this, keep it off the air entirely. It's not even a funny story.
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On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant.
But that's not at all why Tasteless said what he did. Nothing in his speech even remotely related to telling other people that there's a "proper application procedure" or whatever. Tasteless was wrong to do this in public, and the guy who caused this was wrong to go about this the way he did. If Tasteless looked at John after the guy left and said, "What an asshole." That's fine, it's between him and John, but this was public. And I think that we'll see an apology. Bad situation and misunderstanding, that's all.
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On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:
I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant.
I agree with u that it was disrespectfull and offesnive but does it give someone to the right to infer that, the person is subhuman i personally have an issue with that part of wat he said.
Maybe its just a cultural thing but where i grew up and live if u infer to someone as subhuman e.g. dog, etc they are more likely than not going to beat the crap out of u.
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I kinda feel bad for everyone involved in this. Hopefully, this awkward event will soon just be water under the bridge.
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On January 03 2011 03:36 Telcontar wrote:
Well it's certainly good of him to explain what actually happened. I think he really needed to get it off his chest so he can start to put it behind him and move on. I for one know how easy it is to make mistakes like that and suffer the consequences.
Maybe he should just go down to the studio sometime and just apologise face to face, not for Nick or John's benefit, but for his. Anyways, best of luck to the guy.
He really should go down and just clear things up, he would feel so much better.
Once thats all said and done with, I'm sure tasteless will say on air that he came down and apologized. Would make him feel 100 times better then.
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On January 03 2011 04:08 TheToast wrote:
I think this is making a big deal out of a whole lot of nothing.
So some rambunctious fan said that he wanted to do John's job. Why did Tasteless feel the need to say anything to begin with? Like celebrities don't get strange offers from fans all the time? Like if I send a letter to Conan O'Brien saying that I want to be his producer because I think I could do a better job, should I get shouted out on the air?
I think it's nice the guy apologized and all, but I really don't see why this has turned into a cross community drama.
Ok number one Tasteless is not Conan O'Brien lol. The starcraft community is actually really small and our "stars" Are just average people just like everyone else.
Now the way this guy went about trying to get a job was terrible, everyone knows that.
To get a job like that you have to make an application, and most of the time you have to know people that are involved with gomtv, you arn't just going to get a job like that ever. That's like me going up to tasteless and saying "Hey tasteless i'm a great caster and I'm better then you let me take your job." How stupid is that?
The guy who asked for the job is an idiot, and it's not a big deal anymore.
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It doesn't sound like Tasteless thought it was that big of a deal. Although, if you're in Tasteless' position with a random guy who comes up saying that your fellow employee and friend doesn't do that good of a job, how can you react? It's not he was insulting you, he was just defending his friend. Everyone's making this into something much bigger than what it is, especially that guy. The bad experience probably heightened his sensitivity to the event.
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Starcraft drama never strays far from Beverly Hills 90210.
The guy said something stupid, Tasteless corrected him, end of story.
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I'd just like to put in my .02 and say it was very unprofessional for Tasteless to out someone like that on the air, regardless of what was said off air...
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the guy tasteless called out is clearly socially awkward, very sensitive, and a little self loathing
i feel bad for him to be called out by somebody hes apparently a fan of
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Wow, I can't think of a worse way to wreck someone's day. When someone you hold up so high pushes you down so far... I mean, there are very few things in the world worse than that for a single person to have to deal with personally.
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On January 03 2011 04:20 billyX333 wrote:
the guy tasteless called out is clearly socially awkward, very sensitive, and a little self loathing
i feel bad for him to be called out by somebody hes apparently a fan of
Yeah... I hope that he can collect himself enough to go clear things up with tasteless and john.
His self esteem really needs that weight taken off now.
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On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:
I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant.
Lets not forget that Tasteless did the exact same thing as this person to get his first casting job. He went up to the producers and told them he could do a better job than the current caster (which, in fairness wasn't doing a good job but that's besides the point). How is that any different? At least he tried.
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Hey op, you seem like an awesome guy. It sounds like their was a big misunderstanding, don't feel so bad, live and learn 
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I don't understand why Tasteless would even say this on air.
Why would you randomly start talking about someone who came in with a comment?
It would be the same thing if someone told Tasteless he was a moron then he starts talking about them on air.
On January 03 2011 04:29 DuFFmAn69 wrote:Hey op, you seem like an awesome guy. It sounds like their was a big misunderstanding, don't feel so bad, live and learn
Btw, it's not the op who wrote that.
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On January 03 2011 04:28 timwac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:
I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant. Lets not forget that Tasteless did the exact same thing as this person to get his first casting job. He went up to the producers and told them he could do a better job than the current caster (which, in fairness wasn't doing a good job but that's besides the point). How is that any different? At least he tried.
to be fair he offered to assit the caster, for free, only for that tournement,
he did not go up and ask for the casters job, for pay, and for mutiple tournements/broadcasts
(thats how i remember the story being told anyway)/
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Tasteless probably mentioned it on air so that others wouldn't try the same thing, this probably isnt the first time that someone tried this anyways.
I dont blame him at all for bringing it up.
The guy made an ass out of himself to someone who talks for a living
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I feel like this was a bit unprofessional or even immature of Tasteless to state. While this is something definitely to discuss while not on the air, I don't feel like this anecdote was anything more than a way for Tasteless to get something off his chest.
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On January 03 2011 04:34 Corvette wrote:
Tasteless probably mentioned it on air so that others wouldn't try the same thing, this probably isnt the first time that someone tried this anyways.
I dont blame him at all for bringing it up.
The guy made an ass out of himself to someone who talks for a living
So if you went up to a news caster and told them they don't do a good job and you could do it better, you would okay if they told your entire city on air, that you went in and told the news caster they did a bad job? Just so no one else would try it?
I don't think so.
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On January 03 2011 04:32 cristo1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:28 timwac wrote:On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:
I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant. Lets not forget that Tasteless did the exact same thing as this person to get his first casting job. He went up to the producers and told them he could do a better job than the current caster (which, in fairness wasn't doing a good job but that's besides the point). How is that any different? At least he tried. to be fair he offered to assit the caster, for free, only for that tournement, he did not go up and ask for the casters job, for pay, and for mutiple tournements/broadcasts (thats how i remember the story being told anyway)/
Well regardless of what happened, Tasteless did the wrong thing. Its clear he doesn't know how much of an effect he has on those around him, and how much influence he has within the community. If he really wanted to tell Artosis about it, it should have been done off air.
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On January 03 2011 04:38 SilverPotato wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:32 cristo1122 wrote:On January 03 2011 04:28 timwac wrote:On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:
I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant. Lets not forget that Tasteless did the exact same thing as this person to get his first casting job. He went up to the producers and told them he could do a better job than the current caster (which, in fairness wasn't doing a good job but that's besides the point). How is that any different? At least he tried. to be fair he offered to assit the caster, for free, only for that tournement, he did not go up and ask for the casters job, for pay, and for mutiple tournements/broadcasts (thats how i remember the story being told anyway)/ Well regardless of what happened, Tasteless did the wrong thing. Its clear he doesn't know how much of an effect he has on those around him, and how much influence he has within the community. If he really wanted to tell Artosis about it, it should have been done off air.
i suspect that he had already told artosis tbh sort of conjecture either way though
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Cant see that testeless did anything wrong, he did not in any way mention the guy by name or anything... He is allowed to talk about things outside the show.
And he was obviously really upset about the wole thing, and had a random guy walked up to me, told me a do a shit job and asked for my job i would have done far worse than a mild rant on air.
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On January 03 2011 04:38 Kolvacs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:34 Corvette wrote:
Tasteless probably mentioned it on air so that others wouldn't try the same thing, this probably isnt the first time that someone tried this anyways.
I dont blame him at all for bringing it up.
The guy made an ass out of himself to someone who talks for a living So if you went up to a news caster and told them they don't do a good job and you could do it better, you would okay if they told your entire city on air, that you went in and told the news caster they did a bad job? Just so no one else would try it? I don't think so.
Yeah. As long as they dont mention me by name. Stand-up comedians tell stories from real life all the time, same as writers fom sit-coms.
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i dont think they actually mentioned his name or his bnet ID or anything, why would the rest of his life be affected?
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On January 03 2011 04:45 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:38 Kolvacs wrote:On January 03 2011 04:34 Corvette wrote:
Tasteless probably mentioned it on air so that others wouldn't try the same thing, this probably isnt the first time that someone tried this anyways.
I dont blame him at all for bringing it up.
The guy made an ass out of himself to someone who talks for a living So if you went up to a news caster and told them they don't do a good job and you could do it better, you would okay if they told your entire city on air, that you went in and told the news caster they did a bad job? Just so no one else would try it? I don't think so. Yeah. As long as they dont mention me by name. Stand-up comedians tell stories from real life all the time, same as writers fom sit-coms.
Most of those stories are fabricated or changed to make them funny, further more even if a comedian talked about something you did, there'd be know way to know if it was specifically you because hundreds of people talk to comedians and say stupid stuff.
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Dear Tasteless,
I'm your biggest fan.
-Stan
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I don't really mind calling someone out on this publicly. The world needs more of it. Hindsight it sucks that this guy actually seems a lot nicer than what his actions would make it seem like. Coming into someones studio and telling them they suck when they have no idea who you are is a very offensive thing to do. If you did that here on TL you would not last very long either.
Even though I don't mind Tasteless doing this from a social aspect I also don't see what it would add to your broadcast.
No big deal either way.
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On January 03 2011 04:45 Angelbelow wrote:
i dont think they actually mentioned his name or his bnet ID or anything, why would the rest of his life be affected?
At the end of the day u (that is the guy) would know and i have seen less push people who are in hard circumstances over the edge.
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Nobody would have cared or said that Tasteless crossed the line if that guy didn't publicly apologized. You're all making such a big deal out of this, its ridiculous,
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On January 03 2011 04:48 SilverPotato wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:45 DND_Enkil wrote:On January 03 2011 04:38 Kolvacs wrote:On January 03 2011 04:34 Corvette wrote:
Tasteless probably mentioned it on air so that others wouldn't try the same thing, this probably isnt the first time that someone tried this anyways.
I dont blame him at all for bringing it up.
The guy made an ass out of himself to someone who talks for a living So if you went up to a news caster and told them they don't do a good job and you could do it better, you would okay if they told your entire city on air, that you went in and told the news caster they did a bad job? Just so no one else would try it? I don't think so. Yeah. As long as they dont mention me by name. Stand-up comedians tell stories from real life all the time, same as writers fom sit-coms. Most of those stories are fabricated or changed to make them funny, further more even if a comedian talked about something you did, there'd be know way to know if it was specifically you because hundreds of people talk to comedians and say stupid stuff.
How do you know for sure that this was the same guy?
isnt it just as likely that Tateless has more than 1 fan, that is shy, and has delusions of grandeur?
and cmon, this guy is shy (based off his composure when he talked to tasteless) , and wants to do interviews with the stars. i would hate to see an interview of this guy stumbling over every word as he interviews boxer
and to answer your question, yes, if i have the audacity to straight up ask for someones job as a newscaster with absolutely no experience/credentials other than "i watch the news". then i
deserve to be called out. Plus, hey i made the news
EDIT: he didnt publicly apologize, he hid behind anonymity of the internet. This might not even be him who wrote this up
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On January 03 2011 04:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't really mind calling someone out on this publicly. The world needs more of it. Hindsight it sucks that this guy actually seems a lot nicer than what his actions would make it seem like. Coming into someones studio and telling them they suck when they have no idea who you are is a very offensive thing to do. If you did that here on TL you would not last very long either.
Even though I don't mind Tasteless doing this from a social aspect I also don't see what it would add to your broadcast.
No big deal either way.
So can we openly call out idiots in the strategy section then? Since you know, the world needs more of it.
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Exactly, some people are calling Tasteless out just because they somewhat empathize with the guy. To me he was just telling a funny story.
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On January 03 2011 05:03 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't really mind calling someone out on this publicly. The world needs more of it. Hindsight it sucks that this guy actually seems a lot nicer than what his actions would make it seem like. Coming into someones studio and telling them they suck when they have no idea who you are is a very offensive thing to do. If you did that here on TL you would not last very long either.
Even though I don't mind Tasteless doing this from a social aspect I also don't see what it would add to your broadcast.
No big deal either way. So can we openly call out idiots in the strategy section then? Since you know, the world needs more of it.
If someone opens a strategy thread and writes something retarded they'll get banned and that's enough proof of him being an idiot.
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My reaction is that this guy deserves tasteless' public joking/call out. Just because hes sorry, just because he was having a bad day, doesnt excuse the stupidity of his actions. And honestly, what tasteless said isn't even that offensive. I'll admit that this guy is probably a super sensitive person so he cares that much more but it doesnt make me feel any bad for him.
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That guy should never have made that post, because all it's doing is causing unnecessary drama. Whether he choked or not, he apparently was completely disrespectful to Tasteless and John in the studio. Stories like that are funny on air, and people like it. Fact is the guy acted like a douche bag and he's causing some really unnecessary hate for Tasteless when he should have just not made a public post at all.
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On January 03 2011 03:02 cristo1122 wrote:
my own veiw is that the guy shouldnt have done wat he did at the same time i dont think u should said "some people just dont know, what its like to be human" i couldnt believe u said that (rewatched it three times to be sure)
I interpreted that sentence as, humans make mistakes, so if you don't make mistakes, you don't know what it's like to be human. Let's hope he meant that and the other guy interpreted that. I don't think it matters that much though, the worst case scenario (this scenario) the other guy feels like an ass even though it was a honest mistake. It won't have any consequences or something for anybody.
edit: also agreed with the guy above me
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On January 03 2011 05:06 busbarn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:03 Sadistx wrote:On January 03 2011 04:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't really mind calling someone out on this publicly. The world needs more of it. Hindsight it sucks that this guy actually seems a lot nicer than what his actions would make it seem like. Coming into someones studio and telling them they suck when they have no idea who you are is a very offensive thing to do. If you did that here on TL you would not last very long either.
Even though I don't mind Tasteless doing this from a social aspect I also don't see what it would add to your broadcast.
No big deal either way. So can we openly call out idiots in the strategy section then? Since you know, the world needs more of it. If someone opens a strategy thread and writes something retarded they'll get banned and that's enough proof of him being an idiot.
Maybe this random guy should be banned from watching GSL then hmmm?
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this is lolz.
making a post about all this just makes it that much bigger of a deal.
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I was going to make myself some tea when i saw christmas cards over the sink, and i thought this guy knows ur name, place of work and appearance wat do u know about him zip (from the santa clause song he knows where u are sleeping he knows when ur awake), after that i relised all that has been said before is academic u can never predicate wat people will do especially those who seem somewhat unstable.
this is not directed at anyone or to enforce a veiw it is just a musing but a potentially frigtening one.
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Poor guy. There are exceptions but we're all good people on the inside and everyone means well.
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Is he korean can speaks english? or foreigner who speaks korean?
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While it's true that John's English isn't perfect, I think that he tries really hard to improve himself and do whatever he can to keep his job. It was WAY out of the line for this guy to march in there and ask for a job like that.
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It was just a casual story, the only ones who actually know this "visitor guy " is tasteless and john.
Also he wasn't really flaming the guy, more like he just wanted to share the story.
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Hey Anonymous guy, I know you're reading this. If you ever want to feel better about this situation you have to go back to tasteless and john and apologize in person. Apologizing anonymously on the internet isn't enough.
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On January 03 2011 05:19 CanucksJC wrote:
While it's true that John's English isn't perfect, I think that he tries really hard to improve himself and do whatever he can to keep his job. It was WAY out of the line for this guy to march in there and ask for a job like that.
TBH it was clear that the guy thought John was a producer - as evidenced by the fact that he went and asked John HIMSELF, if he could have the job. If he had known that John was himself just a hired translator and not a producer, he wouldnt have asked him in the first place :S. I agree that it was quiet stupid to do something without researching it first. However there is a place and a time to say certain things , and doing it on a live telecast in front of thousands of people is NOT one of those places.
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you did a mistake and you did it right.
Yes is was not nice and now you feel bad for your mistake.
But you would feel much worser if you never go there. Than you would never know its his main job and you would allways ask yourself: "did i miss this chance because i didnt had the balls to go there..."
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Tasteless and John are friends right?
I can understand that you're getting furious when sb walks up to ur friend and basicly says that he sucks at his job.
But i can't really blame the guy, i felt really sorry for him while reading his story, plus he had the courage to openly apologize for what happened.
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On January 03 2011 05:21 cronican wrote:
Hey Anonymous guy, I know you're reading this. If you ever want to feel better about this situation you have to go back to tasteless and john and apologize in person. Apologizing anonymously on the internet isn't enough.
Tasteless should apologize for saying about it on the stream, was not the place or time for it. Very unprofessional of him.
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well.. If he is better than John, why not? GSL is the biggest competition in the world and John is not a professional translator so... I mean better translator would be a nice option for GOM and viewers. I think there are many stuffs John can do even if he doesn't take the translate part.
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I think that Tasteless wasn't completely out of line, though it still is something weird to tell in a live cast, that kind of stuff is usually kept under wraps in things requiring high production values. It's a little "unprofessional" by Tasteless, but it isn't something to make too much of a fuss about.
I think bad things came together. A person made a silly request in the wrong way, tasteless decided to joke about it, and the affected person is, apparently, very anxious and sensitive, and thus, was deeply affected. I don't think it's something severe, but Tasteless showed some bad situation handling there, this shouldn't repeat itself.
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On January 03 2011 05:30 Drey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:21 cronican wrote:
Hey Anonymous guy, I know you're reading this. If you ever want to feel better about this situation you have to go back to tasteless and john and apologize in person. Apologizing anonymously on the internet isn't enough. Tasteless should apologize for saying about it on the stream, was not the place or time for it. Very unprofessional of him.
Is it not better to give and receive an apology in person? As it stands now, this guy sends an open letter apology and shames tasteless into apologizing. That wouldn't be good enough for me to feel better about it.
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yea...if i was tasteless i probably would have been harsher. He straight up said his friend was below-par and should be replaced, by himself no less. There is no way tasteless could have known he was a nice guy from such a horrible first impression. Guy apologizes, tasteless accepts, all is well.
Sucks that he seems like a nice dude, he should try again in a manner way.
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On January 03 2011 03:33 Piledriver wrote:
TBH, what happens behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors. Tasteless was way out of line when he went about dissing a person who wasnt even there to defend himself. If a guy acts like a dick, you tell it to his face instead of going off on a rant in public without the said person being around.
My $0.02.
It's not like Tasteless said who it was. Just some random dude. Totally anonymous.
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I think this is to slightly overdramatize the situation. If anything, he coulda just contacted John and Tasteless personally. No reason to bring this to the public's attention.
Also, as I understood it, Tasteless mentioned this incident on the cast, which he of course shouldn't have done either.
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what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea?
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Maybe some of you should go to tasteless and ask for a job deciding what they should talk about, because tasteless is so bad at it (apparently)
/sarcasm
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On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea?
Hum, good point.
If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right?
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On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right?
depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well
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On January 03 2011 05:48 cristo1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right? depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well
What other skills would he need for a translating job?
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On January 03 2011 05:42 XsebT wrote:
I think this is to slightly overdramatize the situation. If anything, he coulda just contacted John and Tasteless personally. No reason to bring this to the public's attention.
Also, as I understood it, Tasteless mentioned this incident on the cast, which he of course shouldn't have done either.
Because Tasteless now publicly humiliated a random dude? Oh poor random dude, whoever he is. I'll laugh so hard at him when I see him... oh wait...
Leave it to tl.net to blow things out of proportion.
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On January 03 2011 05:49 Getz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:48 cristo1122 wrote:On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right? depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well What other skills would he need for a translating job?
ability to understand certain things e.g. legal matters (legal degree), business dealings (business degree), technology job etc.
I not sure as i don tlive in south korea but there might just be a limited number of jobs avaliable or there is a process towards getting those jobs that this person didnt have access to.
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We must have gotten really desperate for drama now.
Tasteless and Artosis insult random anonymous people, pro gamers, and themselves on the stream all the time.
Some clearly exaggerated little anecdote at the end of a class hardly is something to care about. The guy seems nice and I hope he can resolve things, but I can't see this being important to anyone else really..
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On January 03 2011 05:49 Getz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:48 cristo1122 wrote:On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right? depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well What other skills would he need for a translating job?
Are Koreans that bad at English that as long as you're good at it, you get a job?
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Tasteless has always been that kind of cocky guy.. so the person that did this shouldnt take this personally, now ofcourse he will do it. But Tasteless badmouth/make of jokes of anything he can so this isnt something you shall take seriously
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Actually, this is kind of an ironic little situation now. Cause really Tasteless and That guy are guilty of the same thing.
That guy, may have had better intentions than it seemed, but he just misspoke and it came out the wrong way. In a rude way perhaps.
I fully believe that Tasteless was just trying to make a light hearted joke, however some of the stuff he said on air came out a bit more harsh than that.
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I don't understand the point of any of this. How does any of this matter at all? Some dude got his day ruined and made a long post about it. Boo hoo.
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On January 03 2011 05:49 Getz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:48 cristo1122 wrote:On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right? depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well What other skills would he need for a translating job?
Being able to accurately articulate thoughts, feelings, and emotions =/
Tasteless was a little too harsh in the last line of that transcript, but this whole thing really does fall back to this guy not having the best social skills. Hopefully he can find some self confidence, go back to the studio, and be the first to apologize while maybe landing a job.
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The guy who thought John's translations were sub-par, he said it face to face, and Tasteless outed him on the Internet. Not exactly adult behavior from either person. But hey its a video game, lets just have fun!
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On January 03 2011 05:51 Scoop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:42 XsebT wrote:
I think this is to slightly overdramatize the situation. If anything, he coulda just contacted John and Tasteless personally. No reason to bring this to the public's attention.
Also, as I understood it, Tasteless mentioned this incident on the cast, which he of course shouldn't have done either. Because Tasteless now publicly humiliated a random dude? Oh poor random dude, whoever he is. I'll laugh so hard at him when I see him... oh wait... Leave it to tl.net to blow things out of proportion.
You're right, I should really stay out of this part of the forum. Dear fucking god, this is TL's anus right here.
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On January 03 2011 05:58 Doriboi wrote:
The guy who thought John's translations were sub-par, he said it face to face, and Tasteless outed him on the Internet. Not exactly adult behavior from either person. But hey its a video game, lets just have fun!
On a seperate fork in the road SC2 is not just a video game
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what a complete nothing of a situation, who cares really. some guy wants a job that he feels he can do better than someone else... welcome to the real world people!
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Didn't Tasteless casting career start pretty much the same way  ?
Not saying Tasteless was out of line or anything, just find it a little bit ironic.
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It probably wasn't necessary to bash him on stream, but really, if he doesn't post a wall of text apology this isn't even a story.
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On January 03 2011 06:05 ribboo wrote:Didn't Tasteless casting career start pretty much the same way ?
no, when his career started it is because he was eliminated from a tourney, and the current caster had no idea what was really going on.
Tasteless was bored and offered to help for the day (not asking for a job or getting someone fired, just looking for something to do cause he was bored)
it turns out that tasteless was actually good at it, and then he was offered a job
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I don't know, I don't feel as though this was a big enough deal for tasteless to really mention over the air. It would have been one thing if he had gone up and started yelling at tasteless about what a terrible translator John is or something, but what really happened... well just nothing much really happened. I mean, how many times do celebrities go calling out individual people for sending them a weird piece of fan mail?
There are faults on both ends. That guy shouldn't have been so disrespectful to John, but I don't think the whole thing was such a big deal that tasteless should have brought it up on stream.
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I feel bad for SC2 commentators - they have gone from universally loved BW commentators to being incredibly scrutinized by a sea of fans. I remember Artosis was blasted for asking for donations for a new video camera during the beta, and now Tasteless is taking heat for making a joke about some nameless guy during a cast? Would you guys even be mad about this if the guy didn't make a public forum post to call attention to himself?
As a community we need to step back and look at how we treat each other. The players and commentators who do the most for this community are genuinely good people and deserve more than to have their every action magnified to the point where it deserves its own forum thread.
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On January 03 2011 06:08 c.Deadly wrote:
I feel bad for SC2 commentators - they have gone from universally loved BW commentators to being incredibly scrutinized by a sea of fans. I remember Artosis was blasted for asking for donations for a new video camera during the beta, and now Tasteless is taking heat for making a joke about some nameless guy during a cast? Would you guys even be mad about this if the guy didn't make a public forum post to call attention to himself?
As a community we need to step back and look at how we treat each other. The players and commentators who do the most for this community are genuinely good people and deserve more than to have their every action magnified to the point where it deserves its own forum thread.
the guy the joke was made about is a member of the community by another member of the community, thus i find ur post (especially the first line of the second paragraph)to be very ironic.
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On January 03 2011 05:52 Scoop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:49 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:48 cristo1122 wrote:On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right? depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well What other skills would he need for a translating job? Are Koreans that bad at English that as long as you're good at it, you get a job?
definitely not as good as Finns 
honestly I don't know, but judging from all the english teachers in Korea whose only qualification is being native speaker, I would say so. And translator isn't the only job a korean with good english could do. There must be lots of companies offering their services to foreigner customers where you would only need to speak english well to work there..
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On January 03 2011 05:52 Scoop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 05:49 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:48 cristo1122 wrote:On January 03 2011 05:45 Getz wrote:On January 03 2011 05:44 ondik wrote:
what surprises me the most is how is a korean(?) guy with apparently very good english working for minimum wage in Korea? Hum, good point. If his english is that good he should be able to find a good paying job easy right? depends he might not have other skills that are need in addition to being able to speak english well What other skills would he need for a translating job? Are Koreans that bad at English that as long as you're good at it, you get a job?
Not entirely, but if you have a college degree and are a native English speaker, you're basically set job wise because even if you only speak English very well you can teach intermediate English at the least or privately tutor. My friend (Korean, bilingual grew up in the US), before she graduated, got offered $1500 USD a week to teach an eight person private English class. I'm pretty sure the private tutors/classes are illegal for some reason in Korea, but you could work at a school or something.
Anyway, back on topic. I think Tasteless was really out of line telling the story on air. It was highly unprofessional and unnecessary. I understand that John is a friend and honestly, I'd be quite angry if I were in Tasteless' position and the incident happened, but that's just not how you handle things especially when you're in a position like his. As ridiculous as the guy was going to Tasteless of all people, about a semi-behind the scenes GOM job, I feel Tasteless was more out of line. Doesn't really change how I feel about him at all though.
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On January 03 2011 03:29 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I didn't catch the matches this morning, what did Tasteless say on GOM?
All he pretty much said was that someone came into the studio and asked Tasteless and John if he could takeover John's job because he was making small errors. Then going on to say 'don't do that' etc...
But for the guy, he has some courage to come out, hope that he gets himself back on track soon.
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Let me get this straight: One guy comes into a studio and asks in the most blunt way possible for a job because he thinks that it could be done better. They say no and Tasteless mentions the story on the live cast.
Is that it?
I don't see why this is even being discussed. Pretty much nothing happened.
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On January 03 2011 06:19 Spiffeh wrote:
Let me get this straight: One guy comes into a studio and asks in the most blunt way possible for a job because he thinks that it could be done better. They say no and Tasteless mentions the story on the live cast.
Is that it?
I don't see why this is even being discussed. Pretty much nothing happened.
tasteless mocked him is why people are angry.
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On January 03 2011 06:19 Spiffeh wrote:
Let me get this straight: One guy comes into a studio and asks in the most blunt way possible for a job because he thinks that it could be done better. They say no and Tasteless mentions the story on the live cast.
Is that it?
I don't see why this is even being discussed. Pretty much nothing happened.
Basically. Except for the fact that the guy made a huge dramatic post which basically begs people to feel sorry for him. : /
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i feel sincerely sorry for this guy now 
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you dont walk into someones work place and say hey, i can do a better job than "the john" infront of "the john" and expect a good reaction from "the john's" coworkers. tasteless was rude to bring it up on air but he does talk some shit as he is employed to talk shit.
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I was always under the impression that John was only the translator out of convenience not because it was part of his job. I think that was even said at some point during GSL1 by him or someone else.
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Both parties were unprofessional. Let's let it rest.
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I read the entire thread, and I think Tasteless wasn't completely out of line. I see it a bit like this.
John and Tasteless walking and chatting through a corridor, suddenly a random guy appears and tell them he should get John's job because he can do a better job.
---> This is sad. If somebody insulted a friend of mine like this just on the street. My foot would end up in his ass...
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On January 03 2011 06:05 ribboo wrote:Didn't Tasteless casting career start pretty much the same way ? Not saying Tasteless was out of line or anything, just find it a little bit ironic.
Also, this random guy obviously was being socially awkward , while tasteless is known for being very comfortable to talk to and communicates well. That is one of the most important things when you meet somebody and especially when your asking them for a job.
And funny stories that happen at Gomtv are usually going to be included in tasteless's banter. Rather hear something new than the same old sponsor plugs.
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I hope tasteless reads this and makes some appropriate comment on the stream
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Russian Federation89 Posts
On January 03 2011 06:40 P00RKID wrote:
Also, this random guy obviously was being socially awkward , while tasteless is known for being very comfortable to talk to and communicates well. That is one of the most important things when you meet somebody and especially when your asking them for a job.
I would agree with this sentiment. In person translation requires a certain level of social comfort and confidence. Had he not chocked as he put it, I am sure this story may have went down a different path. Not only did he insult John, he seemed to do it in a very awkward manner. Based on this story, if I was Tasteless, I would have thought it was some sort of practical joke. Granted, I wasn't there and can't really judge.
Respect to the guy that was able to own up to his own mistake and face the consequences. It takes a certain character to do something like that, especially when nobody really knew who he was. He didn't have to post anything in regards to this.
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It's quite ironic that the guy messed up so badly while trying to convey his thoughts. I don't think he should have gotten the job even if there was one available, obviously he wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure of translating for an audience anyway...
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United States22883 Posts
"Trying hard" stops being as reasonable an explanation when you transition from community volunteer into paid professional.
One thing that amazes me is how all of speeches and mother's interviews for the finals are pre-written and pre-recorded, yet GOM never has subtitles or a pre-written English translation available for said events. Even if you had the UN's translators, it would make more sense to do that stuff before hand.
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On January 03 2011 07:03 Jibba wrote:
One thing that amazes me is how all of speeches and mother's interviews for the finals are pre-written and pre-recorded, yet GOM never has subtitles or a pre-written English translation available for said events.
yeah that is pretty annoying i wonder why hm
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Cheers.
I always like to see things like that. It's crazy what we can do when we don't really think about it.
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wait so did john lose his job over this? and someone else is going to translate?
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On January 03 2011 07:19 deisel wrote:
wait so did john lose his job over this? and someone else is going to translate?
No x_x
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On January 03 2011 07:03 Jibba wrote:
"Trying hard" stops being as reasonable an explanation when you transition from community volunteer into paid professional.
One thing that amazes me is how all of speeches and mother's interviews for the finals are pre-written and pre-recorded, yet GOM never has subtitles or a pre-written English translation available for said events. Even if you had the UN's translators, it would make more sense to do that stuff before hand.
weren't the translators reading off a script for the last final?
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Hope Tasteless/John post somewhere on this.
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A simple misunderstanding between both parties.
Both parties made some unprofessional mistakes.
If they got together now, they would all apologize to each other and be cool. No drama to be had here.
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On January 03 2011 07:19 deisel wrote:
wait so did john lose his job over this? and someone else is going to translate?
Yea, Tasteless was angry because eventually GOMTV decided that the OP would replace John (Nick's friend).
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On January 03 2011 07:26 rafaliusz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:19 deisel wrote:
wait so did john lose his job over this? and someone else is going to translate? Yea, Tasteless was angry because eventually GOMTV decided that the OP would replace John (Nick's friend).
really? isn't john still working at gom? i could've sworn i heard tasteless say something along the lines during last nights cast (i forgot which game) that he said "john just handed/ me something really funny" or am i mistaken..?
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On January 03 2011 07:35 deisel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:26 rafaliusz wrote:On January 03 2011 07:19 deisel wrote:
wait so did john lose his job over this? and someone else is going to translate? Yea, Tasteless was angry because eventually GOMTV decided that the OP would replace John (Nick's friend). really? isn't john still working at gom? i could've sworn i heard tasteless say something along the lines during last nights cast (i forgot which game) that he said "john just handed/ me something really funny" or am i mistaken..?
He's trolling isn't he.
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no im serious. i thought i heard it.
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On January 03 2011 07:38 deisel wrote:
no im serious. i thought i heard it.
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In all fairness to the guy who wanted Johns job. I would be much more comfortable in Korea with John's cellphone number than some random guy who just might possibly be 5% better in translation.
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On January 03 2011 07:41 eos wrote:
real mature dude. im being serious. just tell me im mistaken and its the end of it. instead you post a picture of your face. what does that accomplish?
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There are mistakes on both sides, it doens't take much sensitivity to realise that maybe a socially awkward guy wouldn't react very well to public criticism, and I'm sure Tasteless wishes he'd never said it now. There's being confident in your job, but then there's also arrogance in not assuming that you have a professional responsibility and that making videos that thousands of people will watch has a certain responsibility attached to it, as the wrong word can be magnified and over-exposed and turn in to hurt.
The real response was for the team to have a laugh about it behind closed doors, as it is simply naive and immature to do something like that. On the other hand it's also incredibely unprofessional to talk about someone critically on air, like a little snarcky remark made in school and the classroom laughs at you. Consciously or not, it's bullying.
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I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
That's my opinion as well.
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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
Your right, If I did something stupid or slightly rude in front of a well know player/TV person, I would totally want that to be talked about in front of camera in a derogatory manner.
No one is calling for tasteless to resign or for John to resign or anything drastic. Everyone is still fine with Tasteless and will continue to support him in his efforts at the GSL, many just believe that this was out of line and wish to mention it in hopes something like this doesn't happen again.
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On January 03 2011 07:03 Jibba wrote:
"Trying hard" stops being as reasonable an explanation when you transition from community volunteer into paid professional.
One thing that amazes me is how all of speeches and mother's interviews for the finals are pre-written and pre-recorded, yet GOM never has subtitles or a pre-written English translation available for said events. Even if you had the UN's translators, it would make more sense to do that stuff before hand.
I agree, but it seems like they've noticed that. They subtitled the shit out of the cast last night, I'm glad they finally realized that they could do this.
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Wow, that's a pretty sad story :\
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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
Yea, listen here. There are three steps
1. Fucking up.
2. Apologizing.
3. Forgiveness.
Clearly you need to take a serious look on step 3, cause it's wankers like you who spreads that cold and unfriendly chill wherever you go.
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really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding.
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I feel bad for that guy, good of him to apologize like that tho.
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real social experiences seeping into a community that is not well-versed in social activities.
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Tasteless should give a brief apology to the guy on the air and immediately go on to talk about something else. Then maybe something a bit more heart felt in a PM or e-mail or something. I don't think Tasteless had any sort of deviant intentions, but it'd be a good manner thing to do to briefly say "hey sorry" sorta thing.
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The random guys behavior/approach is irrelevant. Commenting this on air is though. totally unprofessional and not anyones business other than the ones who where involved.
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On January 03 2011 07:59 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? That's my opinion as well.
Humility is not something you get from humiliation, humiliation doesn't "teach" anything, try being a primary school teacher and single out one of the kids in front of school assembly. Yeah the kids very hurt, that'll learn 'em. Regardless of whether you feel that "adults" should be hard and flawless, humans just aren't and you should consider that not everyone is healthily well-adjusted, that's "consideration" and "humility" that you may need to look up in a dictionary.
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Neither handled this situation well. If random guy had so many months of GSL to watch and SC2 to play don't you think he could of sent an email to GOM or handed a resume to them?
Tasteless is well....tasteless thats about it..move on John isn't going anywhere, tasteless isn't going anywhere..
Also anyone else read the OP and think "only in Korea"? I mean common, first rain apologizes for "cheese" and now this?
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On January 03 2011 08:17 Xyik wrote:
really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding.
The thing is nobody would've cared if the guy didn't start begging for forgiveness on a forum instead of apologizing personally.
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On January 03 2011 08:26 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 08:17 Xyik wrote:
really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding. The thing is nobody would've cared if the guy didn't start begging for forgiveness on a forum instead of apologizing personally.
Buddy, he has more balls then all of us.
Anyone of us would have just hid behind our computer screen.
He actually felt really bad and made an apology.
Though, he should also apologize in person.
Tasteless still did NOT need to make him feel more like a fool then he already did.
On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
Are you serious dude? So in kindergarten when you make your friend cry (for whatever reason), you should get your pants pulled down in front of the entire school?
And the guy wasn't "flapping his gums" read the post before you talk.
Also, walking up to "someone like Nick"... are casters suddenly better then all of us?
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Hearing Tasteless saying that live I could almost tell a post like this was coming... I love nick but he was a bit rough about it, especially calling him out live...
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John really isn't a great translator at all. Much of his support comes from the fact that he happens to speak English better than the average Korean and because he gave that speech that people loved for whatever reason. The fact is that there are plenty of people in the world that could do a much better job and are much more qualified than him. I don't think it's fair to blast a guy on a broadcast just because he felt that he could do better.
Honestly, this is just another example of Tasteless being completely unprofessional (as if we need any more) and if anything, he should be the one apologizing to this guy for being a complete ass rather than the other way around.
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On January 03 2011 08:28 Kolvacs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Are you serious dude? So in kindergarten when you make your friend cry (for whatever reason), you should get your pants pulled down in front of the entire school?
Can you actually make a coherent argument against a "why not?" It's bound to give you at least some idea that making your friend cry wasn't particularly bright, no?
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On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go?
wow, do you worship Tasteless like a god? That he is so high and mighty that no common peasant can come up and ask to help out? I don't think Tasteless wants to be portrayed in that light. And it seems as if you didn't read the apology because he clearly says he thought John was doing the job as extra work and that he was a producer. Had he known John's job was foreigner relations/translating, he wouldn't have asked to do the job. Plus the guy was nervous and things didn't come out right, not uncommon when talking to people who you idolize. Cut him some slack. I think it would be in good taste for Tasteless to readdress the issue.
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Hmm, 'John''s translations aren't great. They are satisfactory at best but surely there are more qualified/proficient ppl in korea that would want his job as they can do it better(but maybe there really aren't in reality).
He would have been better off making a few mp3's of translations of something along with a CV and sending that into a producer. Then he might have gotten a chance to get tested out in some setting and then might have replaced 'John' at the end of his contract.
But once ppl are in a job and friendly with workmates they will want to keep there friendly workmates with them even if there work isn't great. That's just the way the world works and we have to live with Johns translations for the foreseeable future until ppl approach for prospective jobs more professionally.
Korean's gamers rarely say anything amazing but the 1st few seasons translations when I heard the translations I was thinking "Is this the best GomTV can do? Do they really not care about the foreign scene that much that they have hired such a bad translator?" The impression you got was that John must have lied on his CV if he wrote he spoke fluent in English & Korean especially when you saw the blizzard guy that took over for a few days straight take over translations so naturally directly with the gamers when the standin translator couldn't explain things. Maybe John is just bad on air. Surely there are more ppl with that kind of fluency in english and korean to do Johns job but he's in there and companies hate change.
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wow, people should lighten up. Tasteless has nothing to apologize for. With the knowledge he had available it was completly fine what he said, it wasn't intended mean spirited, more like "wtf happened there, that was kinda lol, don't come to us please and tell us you can do our jobs better and want it".
Of course it would be nice, if he addressed that the guy posted about the incident and show some understanding why it happened. But nobody should take this thing too serious and demand apologies or anything, that is just lol...
Everybody has acted like an idiot some time or another and got called out for it, no need to hide crying in a corner, deal with it.
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when its planes in the sky for a chain of supply, thats logistics...
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Kid writes very well and sounds intelligent. Should have no problem teaching English or translating in Korea or something. Strange story. Loading dock worker?...
Anyway, Tasteless should have kept his mouth shut, people in Korea kill themselves over being humiliated in big public way. When in Rome...
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I didn't liked Tasteless' rant at all to be honest. Talking about someone who isn't there and can't defend himself, seemed a bit ... tasteless to me. Besides, it's an internal studio affair, not something to go out and talk about on air.
Yeah, the guy was a bit silly, going out saying he could do a better job then someone else, so I guess the response he's gotten our of Tasteless was well deserved. If I was in Tasteless shoes, I'd be even more angered and prolly even smack the guy on the head. But that would've been between me and him, not the entire mutha-lovin' SC2 community out there.
But now I'm not worried for that guy. If he has the skills, in literature and english, to write that post and has the ballz to step up, I think he'll be fine in finding a job. Good luck to him thou. Luck is something that you can't have enough of 
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On January 03 2011 08:15 goldfishs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Yea, listen here. There are three steps 1. Fucking up. 2. Apologizing. 3. Forgiveness. Clearly you need to take a serious look on step 3, cause it's wankers like you who spreads that cold and unfriendly chill wherever you go.
1. Fucking up. Because he's a douche.
2. Apologizing. Because he's a pussy who cries and gets nervous and doesn't want ppl online to talk bad about him even though no one really knows who he is.
3. Your a dumbass.
I think you need to review number 3 because those are the three steps.
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Nobody has to apologize. Some dude thought he could lend a hand and perhaps double as a job opportunity, fumbled it, no big deal. Tasteless told the anecdote on air for comedy, because he had already said 5 times how much he loves us, loves the game and loves the sponsors, and short of reciting the tech tree he was out of ideas on how to fill up air time between games.
Funny story, Tasteless should buy the dude a beer for the embarassment. Also because beer is delicious.
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On January 03 2011 08:40 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 08:28 Kolvacs wrote:On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Are you serious dude? So in kindergarten when you make your friend cry (for whatever reason), you should get your pants pulled down in front of the entire school? Can you actually make a coherent argument against a "why not?" It's bound to give you at least some idea that making your friend cry wasn't particularly bright, no?
How was the not coherent?
Also, how was it against a "why not?"
*sigh* Makes me sad when people don't read >.>
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you don't just walk up to someone and basically what you're saying is "i think you suck at your job and i can do it better so they should hire me", that's pretty damn disrespectful.
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On January 03 2011 09:08 kikimama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 08:15 goldfishs wrote:On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Yea, listen here. There are three steps 1. Fucking up. 2. Apologizing. 3. Forgiveness. Clearly you need to take a serious look on step 3, cause it's wankers like you who spreads that cold and unfriendly chill wherever you go. 1. Fucking up. Because he's a douche. 2. Apologizing. Because he's a pussy who cries and gets nervous and doesn't want ppl online to talk bad about him even though no one really knows who he is. 3. Your a dumbass. I think you need to review number 3 because those are the three steps.
I'm tempted to say things to you that would get me banned, so instead I will say no, you are wrong, forgiveness is indeed the third step.
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On January 03 2011 09:13 Silidons wrote:
you don't just walk up to someone and basically what you're saying is "i think you suck at your job and i can do it better so they should hire me", that's pretty damn disrespectful.
True, but what's wrong with critics?
Honestly, If i knew someone who (for example) was a floor sweeper at a store and I knew that:
1) They make mistakes.
2) You could do that job better.
I would ask for that job too if it was actually job I was interested in.
What company would want less quality work over better quality work for the same pay?
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On January 03 2011 09:13 Silidons wrote:
you don't just walk up to someone and basically what you're saying is "i think you suck at your job and i can do it better so they should hire me", that's pretty damn disrespectful.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.
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I think tasteless only meant that as a joke and nothing serious but I do agree that it was a little far especially with the ending comment.
Whatever it is, i'm sure tasteless will come up with a huuuuuge apology tonight. Especially after watching daily #100 and learning how much of an awesome person tasteless is to his brother.
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Poor guy
Hope he gets some positive shout-out. Happy ending please?
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If the guy really felt so bad about it, why didn't he just send a private E-mail to gomtv, Tasteless, John, etc. Public post on the forums with sad life story just so people can feel sorry for him is not the way to make an apology.
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The guy seems nice to me. Come on GomTV give him a job (and still keep John!!!)
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On January 03 2011 09:21 xza wrote:
I think tasteless only meant that as a joke and nothing serious but I do agree that it was a little far especially with the ending comment.
Whatever it is, i'm sure tasteless will come up with a huuuuuge apology tonight. Especially after watching daily #100 and learning how much of an awesome person tasteless is to his brother.
LOL i watched daily #100 last night also.
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On January 03 2011 09:27 teamsolid wrote:
If the guy really felt so bad about it, why didn't he just send a private E-mail to gomtv, Tasteless, John, etc. Public post on the forums with sad life story just so people can feel sorry for him is not the way to make an apology.
Perhaps he didn't quite think it trough. But i don't think he is trying to be an attention whore. Besides, all is love in the starcraft community. We must support each other, and reading this makes me think the guy really feels bad about it.
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On January 03 2011 09:27 teamsolid wrote:
If the guy really felt so bad about it, why didn't he just send a private E-mail to gomtv, Tasteless, John, etc. Public post on the forums with sad life story just so people can feel sorry for him is not the way to make an apology.
Maybe that is what he would have done had Tasteless not made it public to begin with.
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On January 03 2011 08:17 Xyik wrote:
really? Tasteless can't find better things to talk about when theres no game going on? How about Starcraft. He didn't need to make this guy feel like a fool in front of 1000s of people. I feel bad for john and the guy for the misunderstanding.
Of course he can't. Have you seen anything of the last 3 seasons?
It's nothing but senseless rambling and sponsor plugging with the occasional insight into the game.
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On January 03 2011 09:27 teamsolid wrote:
If the guy really felt so bad about it, why didn't he just send a private E-mail to gomtv, Tasteless, John, etc. Public post on the forums with sad life story just so people can feel sorry for him is not the way to make an apology.
You assume that he told a sad life story for some pity? It sounded like he was just explaining exactly what was going in his life during the period which lead up to that incident. He didn't use it as an excuse. In fact, he held his hands up and apologised for it. Sure he sounded pretty downbeat and seems to be running low on self-esteem but people get depressed for lesser issues all the time.
Oh and the fact that this guy made a reply so soon after Tasteless told the story means he didn't have the time to think it all the way through. I'm sure if he had Nick and John's private contact details, he would've apologised to them directly. He must've felt posting on the forum was the only way to reach them. In hindsight, i'm sure he regrets doing it publicly but what's done is done and how it was done shouldn't make it any less genuine.
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On January 03 2011 04:13 cristo1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:07 takingbackoj wrote:
I understand everyone makes mistakes but im kind of surprised how many people are saying tasteless crossed the line. Where else in this world do people walk up to professionals and say they could do a better job? Even if the guy meant no harm it was really disrespectful to John and a really dumb way to go about trying to get a job. I mean have you ever heard of email or an application or something. No other place of business would allow you to do something so arrogant or brash. I would never hire someone who even thought that was a good idea. Tasteless and John we overly nice in my opinion just to meet with the guy and then he tells them he could do a better job then John. The real kicker is that he didn't even know what Johns job was. Nice of him to apologize but it was a really dumb thing to do and I don't see how anyone can say Tasteless was out of line. Obviously people think walking up to people and asking for jobs while disrespecting them is completely fine so Tasteless made sure to address the issue so no one else would be that ignorant. I agree with u that it was disrespectfull and offesnive but does it give someone to the right to infer that, the person is subhuman i personally have an issue with that part of wat he said. Maybe its just a cultural thing but where i grew up and live if u infer to someone as subhuman e.g. dog, etc they are more likely than not going to beat the crap out of u.
I also agree with the original poster that despite this guy not intending to make such an inference, going up to a professional and saying you can do a better job when they are working really hard Is quite an insult.
As for the alien comment, although it is a bit over the top, it seems Tasteless didn't really mean to say that he's an alien or anything, it was just another silly joke. I don't think he meant to say this guy is actually sub-human.
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It's a pity but if he had the necessary skills that he claimed to have had, ie to be able to do a better job than John, live on air within a tiny window of time, I think he would have done a much better job at communicating to Tasteless about the job.
If he's this sensitive, can't confidently say a single sentence to someone in person then he would be a world out of depth on air.
It's such an ironic situation that it'd be strange not to find some way to make a joke out of it, from Tasteless pov. Questionable choice to do it on air however, but fair enough.
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This isn't that big of an issue as it's being made out to be. I can understand both sides of it.
John started out pretty bad with lots of awkward pauses and "ummm's" while he thought of how to translate things, but he has improved greatly and does a fine job. The first week or two it really seemed like he was just some guy with another job at GOM that was the only guy that knew English or something, but iirc by the end of season 2 they had made it clear translating was his full time job. Maybe the guy didn't get the memo or was blinded by hope for a better job... When it came time to talk to them he choked and made an ass of himself instead of politely asking if there were any job openings for translators. Props to him for admitting his mistakes and explaining himself.
From Tasteless/John's perspective some random guy came up and disrespected John and wanted to steal his job. Even if John's job wasn't translating and he was terrible, you would not go up to him and say "you suck, can I do it?" The incident was humorous from their perspective and Tasteless said it on air offhandedly warning others not to act like that when they meet the crew. It's not like he called the guy's name out to the world, to him it was just some anonymous guy that acted poorly and could have stayed anonymous.
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Well I could see where Tasteless was coming from, the guy was completely out of line..
However.
I have a feeling that the guy quoted in the OP may just be trolling and cooked up a story based on Tasteless' comments last night to get attention.
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Its pretty hilarious that ppl will immediately jump to defend and have sympathy for some random person that they have never met. I mean who knows if this guys is telling the truth or if his story is legit? I mean its def possible that it is, but why would like 90 percent of you WITHOUT QUESTION or HESITATION just immediately defend this guy and say hes right?
Guys its the internet after all who can be sure what is true about this dude. He might for real need a job and figures that if he posts a heart felt story on a public board he might get sympathy and then in turn get a job outta it.
After all he coulda sent a private letter to GOMTV instead of a nicely wrote post clearly showing off his English skills looking for a translation job perhaps?!
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On January 03 2011 09:49 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 09:33 TymerA wrote:On January 03 2011 09:27 teamsolid wrote:
If the guy really felt so bad about it, why didn't he just send a private E-mail to gomtv, Tasteless, John, etc. Public post on the forums with sad life story just so people can feel sorry for him is not the way to make an apology. Perhaps he didn't quite think it trough. But i don't think he is trying to be an attention whore. Besides, all is love in the starcraft community. We must support each other, and reading this makes me think the guy really feels bad about it. I know he's being sincere and I feel sorry for him, but he starts off his "apology" letter with "I have an embarrassing story to tell everyone.". Why does he feel the need to tell everyone else his life story, when we weren't even involved at all? He only got everyone else into the picture with this forum post. His apology should have been strictly between him and Tasteless/John and gomtv.net. What he did was like apologizing for something you did, and then accidentally spilling your drink on the other guy.
Like i said earlier in the thread, he probably wanted to get this whole thing off his chest. Unless you've made similar mistakes and caused huge misunderstandings like this, you can't know what it is like to carry something like that around by yourself. The only thing making it bearable is that no one else knows about it. That all changed when Nick made this public. Although he remained anonymous, it must've dredged up an emotional cocktail of embarrassment, guilt and frustration. So he decides to explain himself and get that load off. Can you blame him?
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when he said "what its like to be human" he is making a ironic point that the guy obviously htought he was better and would never make mistakes.... humans always make mistakes. Nothing harsh about that imo
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Oh well, everyone fucks up now and then, it's only natural, props to him for posting that though.
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On January 03 2011 09:58 Essentia wrote:
Its pretty hilarious that ppl will immediately jump to defend and have sympathy for some random person that they have never met. I mean who knows if this guys is telling the truth or if his story is legit? I mean its def possible that it is, but why would like 90 percent of you WITHOUT QUESTION or HESITATION just immediately defend this guy and say hes right?
Guys its the internet after all who can be sure what is true about this dude.
It might not even be the same guy but it doesn't really matter. Some guy made an ass out of himself, Tasteless warned others not to do the same, end of story.
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wtf. Acknowledging fault doesn't give you license to hate publicly. You messed up, there's other chances, life moves on... don't hate. Or hate, if you want, but realize that it makes you into what you appear desperately trying to avoid, (a hater), and live with that. You can't get both
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People hate Joe Buck, but Joe Buck doesn't talk about his critics on air. Be a professional.
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Noone is in the wrong everyone just acted appropriately given the information they had at the time.
Random dude looked like a dick because he made an assumption that John was doing this as a side job
Tasteless just assumed random dude was being a dick to John and told us a story about how some people could be judgemental
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On January 03 2011 10:01 phuzi0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 09:58 Essentia wrote:
Its pretty hilarious that ppl will immediately jump to defend and have sympathy for some random person that they have never met. I mean who knows if this guys is telling the truth or if his story is legit? I mean its def possible that it is, but why would like 90 percent of you WITHOUT QUESTION or HESITATION just immediately defend this guy and say hes right?
Guys its the internet after all who can be sure what is true about this dude. It might not even be the same guy but it doesn't really matter. Some guy made an ass out of himself, Tasteless warned others not to do the same, end of story.
Yeah, I'm not srue what the big deal is. The guy put his foot in his mouth. In the future, he should do a bit more research when angling for a job.
Besides, why go to Tasteless for the job? As far as I know it's not his decision who gets hired or not.
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On January 03 2011 09:20 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 09:13 Silidons wrote:
you don't just walk up to someone and basically what you're saying is "i think you suck at your job and i can do it better so they should hire me", that's pretty damn disrespectful. An eye for an eye makes the world blind.
but it also gets shit done which peace never will, sorry, that's the world we live in, welcome to it.
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I feel sorry for the guy I really do.. But making that post on the
forum only makes it worse.. He was an anonymous indescript figure and
now he has "come out of the wood work" for no other reason than to
apologize which could be done privately.. I had even forgotten about
the story when I woke up this morning, it was old news and now this
just brought it up again..
Tasteless was telling a funny story about an anonymous person who came
down to the Gom studio and asked to replace John; that is a fucking
funny sounding story by any stretch of the imagination.. This guy
going public has made it worse for himself.. I don't really think
tasteless has done anything wrong..
This is almost worse than TSL_Rain's apology..
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On January 03 2011 10:16 bkrow wrote:
I feel sorry for the guy I really do.. But making that post on the
forum only makes it worse.. He was an anonymous indescript figure and
now he has "come out of the wood work" for no other reason than to
apologize which could be done privately.. I had even forgotten about
the story when I woke up this morning, it was old news and now this
just brought it up again..
Tasteless was telling a funny story about an anonymous person who came
down to the Gom studio and asked to replace John; that is a fucking
funny sounding story by any stretch of the imagination.. This guy
going public has made it worse for himself.. I don't really think
tasteless has done anything wrong..
This is almost worse than TSL_Rain's apology..
Maybe doing this gives him closure. What's wrong with that?
He is still an "anonymous indescript figure." We don't know his name or face; only the ID he used to post the message which was itself a smurf.
Everyone, just... chill.
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awww, atleast he tried... I think its like when you want to go out with a girl so bad for ages, and you think about it for longer than you should... then when the time you finally build up the corruage to ask her out and bam your mind goes blanke you say the worst possible thing to wreck your chances then hide away with your computer :D I'm sure a number of us have been there and done that ^^; you'll get over it eventually when your married.
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On January 03 2011 10:16 bkrow wrote:
I feel sorry for the guy I really do.. But making that post on the
forum only makes it worse.. He was an anonymous indescript figure and
now he has "come out of the wood work" for no other reason than to
apologize which could be done privately.. I had even forgotten about
the story when I woke up this morning, it was old news and now this
just brought it up again..
Tasteless was telling a funny story about an anonymous person who came
down to the Gom studio and asked to replace John; that is a fucking
funny sounding story by any stretch of the imagination.. This guy
going public has made it worse for himself.. I don't really think
tasteless has done anything wrong..
This is almost worse than TSL_Rain's apology..
I don't understand how it's funny to tell a story about someone and then say that they don't know what it's like to be human. Tasteless sure didn't sound like he was joking around.
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Tasteless was put off by the man's suggestion that John should be replaced. It was as simple as that.
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I don't think what the guy did was tactful. He should have been more indirect; asking to help out in translations in some area (there is the website, the show, e-mails, and all sorts of areas that require english) if they needed more people doing translation work. However, it also was not right to call the guy out on the broadcast. It was unnecessary and in poor taste to mock the guy on air. We all do things we regret, why publicly humiliate a man for a private matter?
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Its a bit douche to do what Tasteless did, but what I cant figure out, even tho I've read it 3 times now, is what it actually added to the quality of the cast ? Did he just randomly blert that out ? It even said "what I didn't get to say in the TvT". So... he basically sat the whole cast to try and find a breathing room for him to humiliate this guy on air ? It added nothing of value to the cast whatsoever.
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On January 03 2011 09:08 kikimama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 08:15 goldfishs wrote:On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Yea, listen here. There are three steps 1. Fucking up. 2. Apologizing. 3. Forgiveness. Clearly you need to take a serious look on step 3, cause it's wankers like you who spreads that cold and unfriendly chill wherever you go. 1. Fucking up. Because he's a douche. 2. Apologizing. Because he's a pussy who cries and gets nervous and doesn't want ppl online to talk bad about him even though no one really knows who he is. 3. Your a dumbass. I think you need to review number 3 because those are the three steps.
Just wow....
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Half of the people writing comments didn't read the post....
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nobody knows who this guy is, so as far as im concerned, nobody was humiliated.
its not like Nick took his name and picture and posted it for the world to see
all we know
is that is a guy, who lives in Korea.
who is socially awkward
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Yeah lol! Tasteless did absolutly nothing wrong, he didnt say his name or anything!!
Actually he was nice spareing him by not saying more, should have taken the warning and shut up.
Really no point in making a anonymous letter like this, other then making tasteless look bad.
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I don't think anyone should say anything about this topic until they've actually seen the VOD where Tasteless mentions the random guy. if you actually listen to his tone of voice you can tell it is clearly a joke. I am getting the feeling that many people here are reading what Tasteless said and are assuming he was trying to be mean.
you need to look at both sides of the story. last night I listened to tasteless mention some random guy and talking about being human, I laughed pretty hard at that point in time.
now I wake up to read the random guy's post and I feel sorry for him, but only because I know a little bit more about him and we have seen a different perspective of what happened.
don't let this spiral into something that it shouldn't be.
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dont talk crap about peoples friend especially to them. If someone came up and told me a good friend of mine was bad at his job and this random person could do it better i would ROFLSTOMP em
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ehh, I mean they're both in the wrong. The guy shouldnt have went up to them and said this stuff, but Tasteless didn't really need to bring it up on the stream, cause it's kind of pointless for us to hear.. but it should blow over anyways, kind of weird that the guy came up, but at least he had the balls to say what was up.
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Damn how do you get so starstruck by a guy who talks over games of Starcraft.
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Much ado about nothing.
Much ado about nothing.
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Very unprofessional on Tasteless's part to bring out a personal anecdote that did not have a single thing to do with the games at hand...
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I think in the end, people can say what the want but the honest thing is that:
Neither person should have done what they did.
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On January 03 2011 10:55 Sqq wrote:
Its a bit douche to do what Tasteless did, but what I cant figure out, even tho I've read it 3 times now, is what it actually added to the quality of the cast ? Did he just randomly blert that out ? It even said "what I didn't get to say in the TvT". So... he basically sat the whole cast to try and find a breathing room for him to humiliate this guy on air ? It added nothing of value to the cast whatsoever.
Yeah man you are right and I thought about this too. They usually talk alot of jack inbetween the games, making jokes and such but this was way inappropriate....pretty douche to say it live while casting.. but hey thats Tasteless for you.
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On January 03 2011 09:08 kikimama wrote:
3. Your a dumbass.
User was warned for this post
seriously I was going to argue but I saw this and it made perfect sense.
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Very unprofessional on Tasteless' part, to bring that up on air.
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Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job...
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I have not seen any history of behavior from tasteless that would make me take the side of a random internet guy against him. Not that I am inclined to do the opposite but seriously it's going to take more than one (or even a few) anonymous post to convince me that tasteless really screwed up here.
Im curious if any of you have considered this guy may have turned around and walked out so fast tasteless couldnt talk to him about it to his face? it's not like he used the guys name or anything, too.
you guys all using the word unprofessional, you should rate on a scale of 1/10 how much you actually care, because while I agree with you in theory my care about his behavior is a 2 at the most.
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On January 03 2011 10:57 Kolvacs wrote:
Half of the people writing comments didn't read the post....
I would bet probably over 80% of people commenting haven't seen the VOD. I swear TL community is worse at exagerrating and spreading shit even moreso than a group of teenage girls.
If people had actually had seen the VOD they'd see there was absolutely nothing malicious or mean about Tasteless's telling of the anecdote. He was just laughing and joking as he told it because well... it is a funny awkward story and he thought people might enjoy hearing it.
It certainly didn't seem like Tasteless had been offended in anyway but just found it a strange thing for someone to do. He too didn't seem to have any intention of disrespecting the guy who asked for Johns job.
The lengthy apology was completely unnecessary and so too would be an apology from Tasteless. People always retell funny stories and anecdotes in real life as well as on pretty much every talk show / reality show / entertainment show / filler on a commentary. This is as mundane of a story as any.
Anyone complaining about how any of this has gone down really needs to grow a pair and stop trying to create e-drama
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On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job...
Yep, which only makes Nick's on-air rant even more hilarious. It's like wow - way to forget your own beginnings.
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On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job...
I like how you just made that statement out of thin air.
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True as that might be, I still find it unprofessional to bring it up. His job is to cast Starcraft, not to tell us akward stories from behind the scenes. It was completely unnecessary and irrelavent, it didn't entertain and it only succeeded in making a single individual feel terrible.
Do we care? Not really. Does it even matter? Probably not. Still, quite unprofessional.
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On January 03 2011 11:51 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job... I like how you just made that statement out of thin air.
"Tasteless found himself with nothing to do, but noticed that the official caster lacked skill when it came to casting Starcraft. Nick approached the staff and asked if he could help with the casting and after overcoming the first wave of hesitation from the staff he was allowed to cast the games." (first time casting a big event)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Tasteless
Uhhh... he didn't? But the circumstances were pretty different, John did his job well (from what i could tell) and no replacing was really needed, and Tasteless never asked for money / to have a job, just asked to help out because he was bored.
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On January 03 2011 11:51 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job... I like how you just made that statement out of thin air.
I don't undersand this criticism. That analogy isn't too far off.
Seriously though, if Tasteless brough flash to sc2 people would be writing threads about how tasteless broke sc2. The guy remained completely anonymous up until he posted something with his handle on a public forum.
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On January 03 2011 11:11 Anima4 wrote:
I don't think anyone should say anything about this topic until they've actually seen the VOD where Tasteless mentions the random guy. if you actually listen to his tone of voice you can tell it is clearly a joke. I am getting the feeling that many people here are reading what Tasteless said and are assuming he was trying to be mean.
you need to look at both sides of the story. last night I listened to tasteless mention some random guy and talking about being human, I laughed pretty hard at that point in time.
now I wake up to read the random guy's post and I feel sorry for him, but only because I know a little bit more about him and we have seen a different perspective of what happened.
don't let this spiral into something that it shouldn't be.
If you listen to Tasteless's tone of voice when he was paraphrasing the event, it was clear that he is mocking the guy by doing the sharp stops between each word.
Either way, was it unprofessional? was he in the wrong? or was the guy that approached Tastless in the wrong? it is hard to say as none of us were there when it happened. Never the less it looks like the guy felt very bad and he had good intentions but messed it all up due to nervousness, he apologised and that takes balls.
I personally think it was low form attacking someone like that on live tv/stream without them being able to defend themselves, but then again Tasteless didn't know the full story either, if he knew of the guy's true intentions I doubt he would slander him like he did.
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On January 03 2011 11:51 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job... I like how you just made that statement out of thin air.
sorry i guess i forgot to link to actual proof but i thought it was common knowledge how tasteless got his first casting gig.
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if he was so embarrassed why didnt he just remain anonymous? Why would u make a huge post saying YAAA IM THAT RANDOM GUY WOW IT WAS ME!!! Why point more attention to yourself if you truly were so hurt by it?
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I was referring to how he got approached and offered his actual casting job for GOM tv. Asking to help and working for free is completely different to asking replace people?
Now lets all put this in perspective of the super daniel man vs idra rant, that was an actual rant, this is just a joke.
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On January 03 2011 09:54 phuzi0n wrote:From Tasteless/John's perspective some random guy came up and disrespected John and wanted to steal his job. Even if John's job wasn't translating and he was terrible, you would not go up to him and say "you suck, can I do it?"
It's funny because that's basically what Tasteless did to start his casting career.
I'm not taking sides or whatever, just pointing out the irony.
edit: ninja'd by like a page
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On January 03 2011 12:00 Essentia wrote:
if he was so embarrassed why didnt he just remain anonymous? Why would u make a huge post saying YAAA IM THAT RANDOM GUY WOW IT WAS ME!!! Why point more attention to yourself if you truly were so hurt by it?
Because he couldn't get it out of his mind and had trouble sleeping?
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On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job...
That's a great point (although I don't know if Tasteless put someone out of work.)
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Lol I wonder what day9 is thinking right now.
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I definitely understand the part this guy mistakenly thought that John was a producer. I've been seeing quite a few posts on TL saying that John's main job isn't translating, but he just happens to speak English so that GOMtv asked him to be the translator. In fact, when I was criticizing John a few weeks ago, someone replied to me telling me to give the guy a break because translating isn't his main job at GOMtv. I believe I saw another one of these posts again just a few days ago. Couple things like this with John making that speech at the end of GSL1, it's rather easy to mistakenly assume that John is a much more important person in GOMtv than a mere translator.
Still, should he have gone up to them and say that he can do a better job than John in front of his face? I think it was pretty rude even if he thought John was a producer and I definitely would've been upset if I were in John's position. However, he did say that he was really nervous meeting Tasteless in person for the first time and everyone makes mistakes. He did the right thing by writing this apology. Yes, he could've tried to apologize privately, but Tasteless did make this public and I'm sure this guy also wanted to vindicate himself to everyone who had heard of this incident. He is extremely polite to both Tasteless and John in his apology post and repeatedly admits that he should not have done what he did. Tasteless also should not have mocked him in front of so many viewers all over the world and it'd be nice for him to make a short apology during his next cast.
Surprised to hear that John was indeed hired as a professional translator by GOMtv though. It's true that he's made a big improvement after helping with numerous interviews, but you'd think GOMtv would look for someone who can immediately do the job at the professional level rather than someone who would initially struggle and slowly improve to that point. While his English to Korean has always been pretty good, his Korean to English often had little mistranslations or left out things during the first couple of GSL and I remember he even had problems translating some unit names. In any case, like I said already, he was much better during GSL3 and I don't have any problem with him continuing to translate at this point. He seems like a pretty likable guy, and I wish him a good career at GOMtv.
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Wow, major props to this guy.
Whatever the problem, whosever fault it was, it's all good now. (Assuming tastosis/john accept this, which I'm sure they will).
No more hard feelings, hopefully
Hurray for no flaming or such tho. Giving a shout out in the stream might have been a bad idea, but I think they were feeling offended too, and probably tried to make it like a amusing story at first, but perhaps their hard feelings took over and it sounded like a diss (Tastosis).
Edit: let me clarify my view. Not major props, but props for him doing what was right. Apologizing like this is to make up for one's fault, and don't deserve or command special praise. Not to sound harsh but to sound frank here.
Also, you can tell he probably didn't just write this up ASAP and post it. I like this for that. It seems to have care in the quality of writing. The only part I would change immediately is the ending. He should switch the order of "I'm sorry" and "I'm an idiot", or at least cut out the "I'm an idiot" part. Although I'm sure he meant to try to get it as clear as possible that he knows he made a big mistake, it shows immaturity in the situation, because he's making himself look sort of... inferior. But we're all human so he shouldn't have said that.
And about Tastosis' reaction on the stream. Ok from what I've read, it seems they did outright diss him. That's unprofessional, if true.
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On January 03 2011 08:15 goldfishs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 07:54 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
I cant believe how many people are backing this guy up. I mean hey, good for you to post an apology, but you seriously fucked up.
I think Tasteless is completely right in telling us what happened, so what if it humiliated the guy: Maybe humility is what he needed to learn. Walking up to somebody like Nick and flapping your gums about how you think you can do a better job then one of his friends. I mean, how did you think that was going to go? Yea, listen here. There are three steps 1. Fucking up. 2. Apologizing. 3. Forgiveness. Clearly you need to take a serious look on step 3, cause it's wankers like you who spreads that cold and unfriendly chill wherever you go.
I never said he shouldn't be forgiven, and I agree with your cute little list.
I'm just saying Nick is being demonized here for telling this story on air and I think It's ridiculous.
I don't care how socially awkward or nervous you are, if you fail to use common sense(especially when talking to someone you want to get a job with), what do you really expect? They talk about all sorts of random shit on air, what makes you think this would be off limits?
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On January 03 2011 12:14 OnFiRe888 wrote:
Lol I wonder what day9 is thinking right now.
Nothing about this because he's smart enough to know to stay off the forums.
This whole thing is ridiculous, nothing of any significance happened. A guy made an ass out of himself by choosing his words poorly/getting starstruck and then Tasteless briefly mentioned it and warned people not to be like that guy when they come meet the crew.
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I think Nick was trying to bring the incident up, laugh it off, and use it as a warning to other people with retarded notions. But felt a little rage as he recounted the tale.
It's really hard to judge without knowing the full story, I expect many times people ask retarded things of them, but this time someone insulted John and they love John.
Everyone fucking loves John!
Maybe it was unprofessional, but frankly who gives a fuck, I want casters that are human and act human, not robots. Showing slight rage at a massive diss on your friend when you see every day the immense amount of work he puts in is an acceptable reaction.
And in hindsight it caused the guy to apologize, which lets us put this retarded matter behind us.
Edit: For those curious on how Nick got his job go watch day9 daily #100, it is explained there and you can clearly see it is not the same as this guy.
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Bad moves by both parties kind of. Honestly though I think Tasteless was more in the wrong for bringing it up, I mean he did not accomplish anything but make that guy feel terrible about himself. I dont understand how people can be defending Tasteless on this issue.
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On January 03 2011 11:51 fearus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job... I like how you just made that statement out of thin air.
nope, far from thin air, just admit you were wrong and didn't know how tasteless got his first gig
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On January 03 2011 13:12 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Bad moves by both parties kind of. Honestly though I think Tasteless was more in the wrong for bringing it up, I mean he did not accomplish anything but make that guy feel terrible about himself. I dont understand how people can be defending Tasteless on this issue.
Tasteless wasn't "more in the wrong" for bringing it up. It would have been better to have a better context, but it wasn't really wrong, just a bit awkward in the context of the stream. I feel like tasteless accomplished preventing other imbalanced and misguided people from doing similar stupid things. I don't understand how people are trying to lynch tasteless on this issue. "Oh no, he hurt someone's feelings"...guess what...that person deserves whatever he gets. And being called out *anonymously* can't hurt that much.
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John was actually not very good GSL season 1. Or at least I thought it needed some work. Ive heard a lot better bilingual people who werent even translators, like perfect english and near perfect spanish, or the other way around. So I do see why this guy under his own thoughts decided to ask for his job, even though he did it badly. John did step it up though recently, Ive been liking his translations more and more (probably just because of that one poster of him)
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Wow, it takes some serious balls for that guy to man up. No one knew who he was and he could have just been silent.
Props to him for coming forward. I would totally accept his apology if I was John or Tastless and tell him thanks.
Of course hes not going to get the job, but to clear his guilt is more than worth it.
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...poor guy... dam... Starcraft has brought moments of excitement and awesomeness... and yet even though it awesome everything has it bad parts, and here's one, poor guy, hope that at a point something something happens to make him feel better cause he seems bad...
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I like day[9]'s view when it comes to situations like this: "Do no harm." Surely looking back it has to be obvious that he was only trying to improve gomtv while at the same time raising his own standard of living. I've been in that poor guys shoes before and it really is a crappy feeling. I commend the guy for trying and reading his words it's easy to tell he is a good guy. I wish him the best.
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On January 03 2011 13:41 photomuse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 13:12 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Bad moves by both parties kind of. Honestly though I think Tasteless was more in the wrong for bringing it up, I mean he did not accomplish anything but make that guy feel terrible about himself. I dont understand how people can be defending Tasteless on this issue. Tasteless wasn't "more in the wrong" for bringing it up. It would have been better to have a better context, but it wasn't really wrong, just a bit awkward in the context of the stream. I feel like tasteless accomplished preventing other imbalanced and misguided people from doing similar stupid things. I don't understand how people are trying to lynch tasteless on this issue. "Oh no, he hurt someone's feelings"...guess what...that person deserves whatever he gets. And being called out *anonymously* can't hurt that much.
This wouldn't be a big deal if people weren't bending over backwards to defend Tasteless. To compare criticism of someone's comments to "lynch"ing someone is ridiculous, but I'm sure you already knew that.
Calling the guy out for saying he could do better than John and for suggesting John should be replaced is fine. But to go out of his way to publicly mock the guy for being socially awkward and "not human" is something I'd be disappointed to hear anyone do.
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I can only feel bad for the guy knowing his backstory. That said, in Tasteless' position I very well may have made the same «joke». Our OP can only hope that Tasteless sees this thread and accepts the apology, in hopes that he might receive one in return.
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On January 03 2011 03:33 Piledriver wrote:
TBH, what happens behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors. Tasteless was way out of line when he went about dissing a person who wasnt even there to defend himself. If a guy acts like a dick, you tell it to his face instead of going off on a rant in public without the said person being around.
My $0.02.
LoL, I wish there were more people like you in American Politics
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People need to see the VOD of Tasteless and then read the letter by the anonymous person. I feel a lot of people are just saying what they hear based off on other hearsay. Tasteless didn't "call" anybody out. He told an anecdote of what NOT to do in a humourous way. He wasn't being insincere nor malicious in anyway.
The anonymous person who went about this admitted he was in the wrong for going up to Tasteless and John and telling them especially to John's face, that he was making errors and that he (the anonymous) could do a better job. And from the sounds of it, he was pretty awkward and it came off sounding pretty dickish and disrespectful and he admitted it.
Lastly, Tasteless doesn't have anything to apologize for. It's pretty obvious Tasteless told that anecdote not intending to call people out but rather warn of doing something like that in the future. These guys are cool guys to talk to, but if you come at them in the manner that the anonymous person did, it's not gonna bode well. Just that simple.
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I kind of agree with this "guy" mostly because tasteless did the same thing to get into casting. Maybe the way he went about it is construed by he said she said but seriously. He saw someone that was doing a job he felt he was better qualified to do. EXACTLY LIKE NICK DID. I am kind of saddened by the need to bash this guy in front of thousands of viewers D:
Granted he probably could have phoned them and john obviously has more expertise than the caster that nick took over for. I think the whole story is coated in bad taste. Hopefully it blows over and maybe this bad press gets the "guy" working for gom. Sounds like he deserves it for how hard his working career has been.
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On January 03 2011 11:56 iMBA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 11:51 fearus wrote:On January 03 2011 11:42 ffz wrote:
Tasteless basically did the same thing this guy did to get his job... I like how you just made that statement out of thin air. "Tasteless found himself with nothing to do, but noticed that the official caster lacked skill when it came to casting Starcraft. Nick approached the staff and asked if he could help with the casting and after overcoming the first wave of hesitation from the staff he was allowed to cast the games." (first time casting a big event) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/TastelessUhhh... he didn't? But the circumstances were pretty different, John did his job well (from what i could tell) and no replacing was really needed, and Tasteless never asked for money / to have a job, just asked to help out because he was bored.
Tasteless offered to help and didn't tell the casters they were shit and they should hire him.
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So you people are actually comparing Tasteless helping out with casting at what was probably a multi game event, where they just took someone from one of the other games to cast SC.. to a guy showing up at someone job and telling them they could do it better and they should hire him instead???
Do you people actually think that WCG actually fired someone when nick got that gig? -
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well, from what i know from watching Day[9] 100th episode was, the caster didnt know nothing about starcraft, the most relevent thing he said was Marine can shoot up and down or something, and Tasteless offered himself to co-cast. so... you cant compare that to this
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On January 03 2011 14:52 iSiN wrote:
I kind of agree with this "guy" mostly because tasteless did the same thing to get into casting. Maybe the way he went about it is construed by he said she said but seriously. He saw someone that was doing a job he felt he was better qualified to do. EXACTLY LIKE NICK DID. I am kind of saddened by the need to bash this guy in front of thousands of viewers D:
Granted he probably could have phoned them and john obviously has more expertise than the caster that nick took over for. I think the whole story is coated in bad taste. Hopefully it blows over and maybe this bad press gets the "guy" working for gom. Sounds like he deserves it for how hard his working career has been.
I'm sure Nick went up TO THE CASTER HIMSELF (like this guy did) and straight up TOLD HIM that he KNEW he could do better.
How unintelligent can one get?
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Jon does way more then just translate, there is a time and a place to ask for a job. Both are kinda out of line should just drop it and ENJOY THE GAME FFS.
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Is there a youtube video of this?
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Guys, super daniel man vs idra, is all I have to say to see how stupid this whole 'drama' is.
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Poor guy, I hope he comes out ok, he sounds pretty anonymos so he should be fine.
I think tasteless was kind of a dick to call it out on the stream, I mean it took a lot of courage for that guy to go down to the station and basically ask for a job the way he did. At the same time it's really cool Tasteless would stand up for John like that, in the end it comes out a wash, everyone sort of screwed up and everyone got a little bit better (you shouldn't really be looking for a "television" job if you get nervous in front of people, but it's cool you had the balls to go for what you wanted and for tasteless, calling the guy out vs. standing up for your boy).
Nice Story.
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On January 03 2011 16:08 MostDifferent wrote:
So you people are actually comparing Tasteless helping out with casting at what was probably a multi game event, where they just took someone from one of the other games to cast SC.. to a guy showing up at someone job and telling them they could do it better and they should hire him instead???
Do you people actually think that WCG actually fired someone when nick got that gig? -
This. This "guy" went up to someone who currently holds a position and his friend, and straight up told them he thought he could do a better job and that he wanted to replace him. I am pretty sure most people in this situation would take offense to something like that. I have watched the VOD and I don't detect any hate for the person in any way. Tasteless was merely just telling a story about a weird thing that happened to him. Asking to help and stating one is superior are two very different things.
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The thing I don't get is why is everybody hating on RandomGuy for essentially telling the truth? John is not a great translator. Fact. There are people that can do the job better than he can. Fact. I do not know RandomGuy so I have no idea if he is one of those people than can do the job better or not.
Why are prople acting like RandomGuy did something inappropriate, and at the same time praising Tasteless? If anybody did anything wrong, it was Tasteless. He is a so-called professional and has standards to uphold, whereas RandomGuy is a random guy. If RandomGuy's actions were unacceptable (which I don't thinl they were), then Tasteless's actions CERTAINLY were unacceptable.
If calling someone out to their face one on one is unacceptable, how can people think that calling someone out behind their back to a worldwide audience is acceptable? But don't let logic and reason get in the way of your fanboyism.
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This is so absurd.
The only similarity between the way Nick started and what this random guy did is that they both asked to do it. Nick was in the tournament and got knocked out (by Sean no less!) and then asked if he could help cast. Nick wasn't some random guy nobody knew and he probably asked more politely. Also Nick co-casted, I don't think there's any room for a co-translator.
Also on the topic of "being human," this guy basically said "you're making small mistakes and I want to replace you" and Nick was basically saying "humans make mistakes." The guy came off as overly harsh by asking for the job because John makes small mistakes which can't be avoided by any translator.
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On January 03 2011 16:32 Askesis wrote:
The thing I don't get is why is everybody hating on RandomGuy for essentially telling the truth? John is not a great translator. Fact. There are people that can do the job better than he can. Fact. I do not know RandomGuy so I have no idea if he is one of those people than can do the job better or not.
Why are prople acting like RandomGuy did something inappropriate, and at the same time praising Tasteless? If anybody did anything wrong, it was Tasteless. He is a so-called professional and has standards to uphold, whereas RandomGuy is a random guy. If RandomGuy's actions were unacceptable (which I don't thinl they were), then Tasteless's actions CERTAINLY were unacceptable.
If calling someone out to their face one on one is unacceptable, how can people think that calling someone out behind their back to a worldwide audience is acceptable? But don't let logic and reason get in the way of your fanboyism.
Yes John started out rough but he has improved greatly after season 1. It's his first time working as a translator or being on camera, it was understandable that it took him some time to get used to it. Random guy couldn't even choose the right words to ask for a job, how well do you think he could translate on camera if he can't even ask for a job politely...
Nobody is 'acting' like random guy did something inappropriate, the guy admitted it was.
Tasteless didn't call anyone out, he told a brief story about a random anonymous guy that nobody knows as a warning to others to be cool when they meet the crew.
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Just for fun I combined the two stories.
+ Show Spoiler +
I summoned all my courage to go down to the studio, but when I came face-to-face with Tasteless, of whom I had been a fan for years, along with John himself, I got nervous, and I choked. I blanked out and forgot what I practiced to say. I knew I was going to be forever mad at myself if I never tried, though, so I forced myself to stutter out something along the lines of what I had meant to ask.
Tasteless: So we're in the studio, uh, it was like last season and some guy comes up to us, he goes "hi, uh...", and John's there with me, he goes "I... just wanna point something out". And we're like "Oh ok, yeah sure go ahead". And he's like "I noticed that sometimes... in the interviews, uh, John has made... small errors... in translation... and... uh... I wanna know if I can do it".
Tasteless: Uhhhhh no, person we don't know, heh. John does a perfectly fine job and he works very hard.
But boy, was I wrong. Turns out John isn't some producer who happens to speak English. On the other hand, what I had asked them, was, in fact, to take over John's whole job. All signs had been pointing to the fact for weeks, but I, with a mind clouded by high hopes, failed to recognize them. And for what seems to be the millionth time in my barely-average life, I not only managed to sound like an idiot, but also a total dick.
On January 03 2011 16:32 Askesis wrote:
The thing I don't get is why is everybody hating on RandomGuy for essentially telling the truth?
Putting aside all "fanboyism", it is not cool to ask to take over someones job while they are standing right there. Some people find that insulting and disrespectful, regardless of it being true or not.
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As far as I'm concerned, the guy sounds pretty desperate and Tasteless did something a bit rude.
I wonder how this guy could easily get in the studio and walk up to tasteless and john. If this is the fact, I want to live somewhere I can casually walk into companies or government buildings. Would save a lot of time
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On January 03 2011 17:40 Eluadyl wrote:I wonder how this guy could easily get in the studio and walk up to tasteless and john. If this is the fact, I want to live somewhere I can casually walk into companies or government buildings. Would save a lot of time
Do you not watch the GSL at all? They welcome an audience to every show and are very casual.
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I don't understand why people are defending John, fact is, he's bad at he's job. Simple as that. So someone walks up and says he can do the job better? so what? welcome to the real world...
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Well he ran the risk of people flaming him, welcome to the real world...
edit: oh and they defend John cause they like him.
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Can we just get a close on this thread please? >.>
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Jon isnt bad at his work at all and his rough times in season 1 were just because he was nervous.
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On January 03 2011 16:26 fearus wrote:
Guys, super daniel man vs idra, is all I have to say to see how stupid this whole 'drama' is.
Oh god, that was so terrible...
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You guys need to stop being so hyper sensitive.
First of all, Tasteless did nothing wrong. He told a story about some guy openly offending a friend and a person that people are fans of in the community. Note, the most important thing here is, he DID NOT give this guys name or screen name. The guy was completely anonymous. If he did call the guy out directly, then I would think that was pretty low, but he didn't.
The only reason we know who this guy is, is because he, HIMSELF, said it was. Don't publicly apologize. No one knew it was you. You don't need to apologize to us. You just come off as a drama queen. Apologize to Tasteless and John in private. That is a real apology.
Also, no offense, but to all the people who are giving this guy props for saying he was sorry, I don't understand you. You don't get points for doing something you are supposed to do. Especially if you decide to give an attention seeking, long winded one over two forums.
You say that you were really nervous and what you said wasn't exactly what you meant. You sound socially awkward and not comfortable in front of people in high stress situations. You would probably be pretty bad at John's job.
Next time, I would recommend you go through the proper channels to apply for a job, or at least be a bit more polite and tactful.
Don't take any of this as an attack on you, just my opinion.
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Tasteless accepted the apology on air. Drama over!
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What a champ Tasteless! accepted apology and gave one back. Respect mate.
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I knew Tasteless would forgive you.
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Well, Tasteless just admitted it was a misunderstanding and that he and John aren't mad.
Case closed.
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tasteless just accepted the apology on the stream. case closed.
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Tasteless just accepted the apologize.
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Tasteless just accepted the apology from "random guy" on air after the zenith game
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awww that was so cute
<3 the sc2 community!!!
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UPDATE:
Tasteless just mentioned this whole thing again on the gom stream. Said it was no problem, he accpeted the apology. John and Tasteless aren't actually mad at him and are sorry for the miss understanding.
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Tasteless accepted the apology. They stated that they arent mad at the guy and even apologized themselves for the misunderstanding. Story is concluded
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Apology accept at end of Code A Matches.
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I THINK HE APOLOGIZED ON AIR... DID HE?
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Thought that was very nice of him to acknowledge the guys post and say everything is okay. I think that really takes care of both parties and that they are both good people put into a bad situation.
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On January 03 2011 19:08 l00l wrote:
I THINK HE APOLOGIZED ON AIR... DID HE?
Yeah he basically said I heard "that guy" posted on the TL and that there are no bad feelings from him or John.
Very classy because he really didn't need to do that especially through a forum that is so public as a GomTV broadcast.
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Didn't really feel he had to do that.
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this kid is fucking emo wow
he needs to not make a huge deal of every failure
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I think it's the right thing to do. Well played Tasteless and the other poster.
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On January 03 2011 18:53 SuperNothing wrote:
You guys need to stop being so hyper sensitive.
First of all, Tasteless did nothing wrong. He told a story about some guy openly offending a friend and a person that people are fans of in the community. Note, the most important thing here is, he DID NOT give this guys name or screen name. The guy was completely anonymous. If he did call the guy out directly, then I would think that was pretty low, but he didn't.
The only reason we know who this guy is, is because he, HIMSELF, said it was. Don't publicly apologize. No one knew it was you. You don't need to apologize to us. You just come off as a drama queen. Apologize to Tasteless and John in private. That is a real apology.
Also, no offense, but to all the people who are giving this guy props for saying he was sorry, I don't understand you. You don't get points for doing something you are supposed to do. Especially if you decide to give an attention seeking, long winded one over two forums.
You say that you were really nervous and what you said wasn't exactly what you meant. You sound socially awkward and not comfortable in front of people in high stress situations. You would probably be pretty bad at John's job.
Next time, I would recommend you go through the proper channels to apply for a job, or at least be a bit more polite and tactful.
Don't take any of this as an attack on you, just my opinion.
Well said, definitely agree with you. It was a totally anonymous rant by tasteless, no one would have known who it was other than the guy himself, but since he decided to make a post about it, now everyone knows his online identity.
What tasteless did was just to defend his friend and hope no insensitive people just randomly walks in and says he can do a better job. That randomguy might be able to but it's not for him to decide whether or not he can.
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On January 03 2011 19:10 SuperNothing wrote:
Didn't really feel he had to do that.
Agreed he didn't have to do that but I think that's what makes it so awesome that he did. Obviously that individual was very sincere in his apology and that's why it was so awesome that Tasteless responded in a public forum back to him.
Plus I really like that these two forums exist in the Starcraft community specifically for this to take place. It's a very special environment.
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He kinda forced Tasteless to publicly accept the OP apology too, making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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everyone makes mistakes. rough....
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On January 03 2011 19:21 SuperNothing wrote:
He kinda forced Tasteless to publicly accept the OP apology too, making a mountain out of a mole hill.
agreedddd 100%
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On January 03 2011 19:18 jayt88 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 18:53 SuperNothing wrote:
You guys need to stop being so hyper sensitive.
First of all, Tasteless did nothing wrong. He told a story about some guy openly offending a friend and a person that people are fans of in the community. Note, the most important thing here is, he DID NOT give this guys name or screen name. The guy was completely anonymous. If he did call the guy out directly, then I would think that was pretty low, but he didn't.
The only reason we know who this guy is, is because he, HIMSELF, said it was. Don't publicly apologize. No one knew it was you. You don't need to apologize to us. You just come off as a drama queen. Apologize to Tasteless and John in private. That is a real apology.
Also, no offense, but to all the people who are giving this guy props for saying he was sorry, I don't understand you. You don't get points for doing something you are supposed to do. Especially if you decide to give an attention seeking, long winded one over two forums.
You say that you were really nervous and what you said wasn't exactly what you meant. You sound socially awkward and not comfortable in front of people in high stress situations. You would probably be pretty bad at John's job.
Next time, I would recommend you go through the proper channels to apply for a job, or at least be a bit more polite and tactful.
Don't take any of this as an attack on you, just my opinion. Well said, definitely agree with you. It was a totally anonymous rant by tasteless, no one would have known who it was other than the guy himself, but since he decided to make a post about it, now everyone knows his online identity. What tasteless did was just to defend his friend and hope no insensitive people just randomly walks in and says he can do a better job. That randomguy might be able to but it's not for him to decide whether or not he can.
By the way both of you are wrong. Should I type now "just my opinion" to excuse attacking someone?
The person through out his post explained how wrong he was for doing what he did and just wanted to explain it and then apologize for it.
Wow that was really hard to read what you guys had posted.
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I believe my points are very valid. It's all good if you disagree.
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On January 03 2011 19:28 SuperNothing wrote:
I believe my points are very valid. It's all good if you disagree.
But I don't disagree with the fact that he didn't have to apologize. Especially to a specific thread on teamliquid.net/gomtv.net
I also don't think that this will get bigger because he apologized. In fact I think this will quickly go away now that it's no longer a controversy.
So I would give credit to Tasteless for apologizing and maybe even for a good PR decision.
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The point is, if the OP didn't make a public apology, it would be nothing. There was no reason for it, and in doing so, he added a new variable to the issue between him and Tasteless, which is community opinion. If he would have kept the issue to himself, and approached Tasteless in private to apologize, it would have been much more honest and sincere.
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Wait, tasteless wasn't insulting the guy when he said "what it means to be human" at all. That clearly wasn't the intention when he said that. He obviously meant, and anyone who isn't specifically trying to scrutinize this will infer, that John makes mistakes because he's human, and everyone makes mistakes. He felt it wrong for someone to insult his friend when John does his absolute best to translate and has improved exponentially in that aspect. Hell I was one of the people who criticized him early on because I thought he was a professorial translator.
Anyone thinking Tasteless meant that this random guy was below human is obviously way off base.
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On January 03 2011 19:28 SuperNothing wrote:
I believe my points are very valid. It's all good if you disagree.
I don't agree that publically apologizing would've been a better idea. I highly doubt Tasteless or John would have wanted to see him again and waste their time as they're preparing for the stream. He should've just made a shorter apology without all the self pity.
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On January 03 2011 19:36 SuperNothing wrote:
The point is, if the OP didn't make a public apology, it would be nothing. There was no reason for it, and in doing so, he added a new variable to the issue between him and Tasteless, which is community opinion. If he would have kept the issue to himself, and approached Tasteless in private to apologize, it would have been much more honest and sincere.
Your premise is wrong so far that it's nothing and there is no reason for the apology.
It is something or there is a reason for it once it was clear that what this individual had done insulted Tasteless and or John so far that Tasteless made a comment about it during a broadcast.
Secondly if you think it's easy for a random person to go up to Nick Plott and start a conversation go ahead and try it. If you find that hard maybe your next option would be to publicly apologize to the community that had seen what Tasteless had said about the incident.
I applaud both the person that SAW the reason for the apology and also for Tasteless who decided to respond in kind with his acknowledgement of the situation.
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Nah, a public apology is not a real apology. It turns the issue in a public relations thing, which is unfair to Tasteless, who did nothing wrong.
I think the OP could have gotten a hold of Tasteless in much the same way he did the first time, if he really needed to.
User was warned for this post
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A public apology isn't a real apology?
Much the same way as Tasteless talking about the situation on a public broadcast doesn't make it a situation that the public is aware of?
good logic...
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This is over. Anyone still trying to make an issue of or provide "insight" into the situation is grasping at straws.
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On January 03 2011 19:52 Whiladan wrote:
This is over. Anyone still trying to make an issue of or provide "insight" into the situation is grasping at straws.
Exactly, those involved have dealt with it, further discussion is pointless.
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I'm pretty sure it was going to be a PR thing after Tasteless mentioned it regardless, not really fair to put that on the guy. And I'm pretty sure Tasteless wasn't going to walk away with any less fans one way or the other. He acknowledged an apology I feel he didn't have to, but I don't like him any less for it.
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@BluePabs
I think you are not completely understanding the details. Tasteless didn't really offend the guy. He also didn't even give the guys name. It was the OP who brought it into specifics, and like I said, kind of forcing Tasteless to publicly accept the guy's apology. Though, I am sure he would have done it if the guy personally apologized too.
I think apologizing through a forum post is impersonal, and devalues the weight of the apology.
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On January 03 2011 19:36 SuperNothing wrote:
The point is, if the OP didn't make a public apology, it would be nothing. There was no reason for it, and in doing so, he added a new variable to the issue between him and Tasteless, which is community opinion. If he would have kept the issue to himself, and approached Tasteless in private to apologize, it would have been much more honest and sincere.
It was tasteless who made the thing public. And the guy felt bad and wanted to apologize on the forums. Tasteless decided to answer mention it on-air but he could've also just answered on the forums if he didn't want to.
However, what I think is important here is that they both are probably ok with how the things went in the end. I feel it's you who are making a mountain out of a mole hill. There's no drama here anymore, it's over. Everyone is happy except you.
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On January 03 2011 19:18 jayt88 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 18:53 SuperNothing wrote:
You guys need to stop being so hyper sensitive.
First of all, Tasteless did nothing wrong. He told a story about some guy openly offending a friend and a person that people are fans of in the community. Note, the most important thing here is, he DID NOT give this guys name or screen name. The guy was completely anonymous. If he did call the guy out directly, then I would think that was pretty low, but he didn't.
The only reason we know who this guy is, is because he, HIMSELF, said it was. Don't publicly apologize. No one knew it was you. You don't need to apologize to us. You just come off as a drama queen. Apologize to Tasteless and John in private. That is a real apology.
Also, no offense, but to all the people who are giving this guy props for saying he was sorry, I don't understand you. You don't get points for doing something you are supposed to do. Especially if you decide to give an attention seeking, long winded one over two forums.
You say that you were really nervous and what you said wasn't exactly what you meant. You sound socially awkward and not comfortable in front of people in high stress situations. You would probably be pretty bad at John's job.
Next time, I would recommend you go through the proper channels to apply for a job, or at least be a bit more polite and tactful.
Don't take any of this as an attack on you, just my opinion. Well said, definitely agree with you. It was a totally anonymous rant by tasteless, no one would have known who it was other than the guy himself, but since he decided to make a post about it, now everyone knows his online identity. What tasteless did was just to defend his friend and hope no insensitive people just randomly walks in and says he can do a better job. That randomguy might be able to but it's not for him to decide whether or not he can.
Can you read? he clearly stated that he was using another account just for that post.
Why would anyone comment on something without even bothering to read? Fuck.
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Sorry, I made my original point before the issue was at rest. But I think it is important to note, that Tasteless told a story that didn't give the guys identity away, thus still keeping it private. There was no point to make a public apology post, other than to get people to read it.
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And I actually am done on elaborating my opinion. My OP was quite clear, and quite solid. You can disagree on opinion that is fine, but you guys are kind of being rude, and seem to be incapable of understanding different points of view without attacking people.
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Moral of the story: to err is human, to forgive is baller.
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my opinion is that tasteless called it out right... if someone came to me face to face saying he can do a better job i would just say GTFO bitch
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Korea (South)855 Posts
I feel bad for making this guy feel guilty. I was taken aback by the offer but could really tell he meant no harm and was just trying to offer help. He even said he will do it for free. At the moment I admit I was little offended but just said that it's not an easy job as it looks. I think it was very brave of him to tell me that in person. It is unnecessary to feel sorry for doing something you feel is right to do.I apologize on Tasteless's behalf if he made you feel bad. I was not aware he made such statement during casting. It was just a misunderstanding between a faithful friend and an enthusiastic fan.
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On January 03 2011 21:56 JunkkaGom wrote:
I feel bad for making this guy feel guilty. I was taken aback by the offer but could really tell he meant no harm and was just trying to offer help. He even said he will do it for free. At the moment I admit I was little offended but just said that it's not an easy job as it looks. I think it was very brave of him to tell me that in person. It is unnecessary to feel sorry for doing something you feel is right to do.I apologize on Tasteless's behalf if he made you feel bad. I was not aware he made such statement during casting. It was just a misunderstanding between a faithful friend and an enthusiastic fan.
Very well put man, Thanks for commenting.. its easy to just leave this alone.
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On January 03 2011 21:56 JunkkaGom wrote:
I feel bad for making this guy feel guilty. I was taken aback by the offer but could really tell he meant no harm and was just trying to offer help. He even said he will do it for free. At the moment I admit I was little offended but just said that it's not an easy job as it looks. I think it was very brave of him to tell me that in person. It is unnecessary to feel sorry for doing something you feel is right to do.I apologize on Tasteless's behalf if he made you feel bad. I was not aware he made such statement during casting. It was just a misunderstanding between a faithful friend and an enthusiastic fan.
Junkka/John FIGHTING ~~
Really loving the GSL4 translations so far (I assume you are doing the translations of the Korean commentators when they discuss the match-ups).
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TBH i always hated the none professional translation. John might be awesome as a guy, but he is doing a horrible job at translating and i was so happy when he wasn't there and a different guy was translating..
Imo they shouldn't let John translate no offense or anything.
Might be a bit offtopic, but i always wanted to say that.
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Wait how did tasteless get his job?
Does anyone know the story?
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On January 03 2011 23:12 miDnight_SC wrote:
Wait how did tasteless get his job?
Does anyone know the story?
It's mentioned in Day 9 Daily 100
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Tasteless proving once again that he has no taste in what is socially and professionally acceptable.
Hell even artosis realized that it was FUCKING STUPID to say that on the air >.>...
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On January 03 2011 18:53 SuperNothing wrote:
You guys need to stop being so hyper sensitive.
First of all, Tasteless did nothing wrong. He told a story about some guy openly offending a friend and a person that people are fans of in the community. Note, the most important thing here is, he DID NOT give this guys name or screen name. The guy was completely anonymous. If he did call the guy out directly, then I would think that was pretty low, but he didn't.
The only reason we know who this guy is, is because he, HIMSELF, said it was. Don't publicly apologize. No one knew it was you. You don't need to apologize to us. You just come off as a drama queen. Apologize to Tasteless and John in private. That is a real apology.
Also, no offense, but to all the people who are giving this guy props for saying he was sorry, I don't understand you. You don't get points for doing something you are supposed to do. Especially if you decide to give an attention seeking, long winded one over two forums.
You say that you were really nervous and what you said wasn't exactly what you meant. You sound socially awkward and not comfortable in front of people in high stress situations. You would probably be pretty bad at John's job.
Next time, I would recommend you go through the proper channels to apply for a job, or at least be a bit more polite and tactful.
Don't take any of this as an attack on you, just my opinion.
my thoughts exactly, if he was so embarrassed why wouldnt he stay anonymous. lol it makes no sense to post a big public apology attracting more attention to yourself.
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On January 03 2011 19:52 Whiladan wrote:
This is over. Anyone still trying to make an issue of or provide "insight" into the situation is grasping at straws.
And just attempting to add drama... Someone should really close this thread and update the OP...
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On January 03 2011 23:43 Essentia wrote:
my thoughts exactly, if he was so embarrassed why wouldnt he stay anonymous. lol it makes no sense to post a big public apology attracting more attention to yourself.
He needed to get if off his chest, and you people need to give the guy a break.
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and he thought john was a producer of the show he didn't realise thats all he did was translate. He thought if he presented himself as a good translater he could do that whilst john deals with the production side.
Tastless should make an apology this guys just trying to make a living he didn't mean anything malicious Tastless is where he is now because he dropped out of a tournament, went to the organisers and told them the guy that was hosting it was doing a rubbish job and he could do better.
Nicks just a complete hypocrite in my eyes now
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Eh. John's so palpably baller that I don't know why he did it anyway. I didn't see the Tasteless apology/acceptance of apology or whatever, but if it was just a casual 'Hey, sorry guy, didn't mean to hurt your feelings' then whatever.
I kind of feel the guy made too big a deal out of it for himself, but fuck it, people deal with things in different ways, just because I would have laughed it off doesn't mean everyone could I guess.
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On January 04 2011 00:07 TrANCE, wrote:
Tastless is where he is now because he dropped out of a tournament, went to the organisers and told them the guy that was hosting it was doing a rubbish job and he could do better.
This is exactly what came to mind when I first read the OP lol.. According to Day9 in Daily #100 Nick's casting career started when he went up to the organizers of a Starcraft event he was knocked out of and told them he could a better job than the guy casting so they gave him a mic and he was great.
I guess it's easy to forget your roots.. sometimes you just need someone to give you a chance, and when they don't you need to go after it yourself which is what this guy did and in this particular case the result was being humiliated by an idol of his, I love Tasteless as much as the next guy but dick-move man.. dick-move.
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I don't know what he did wrong?
He thinks John is bad and that he can do better. Why not go for it and ask if they are looking for someone to replace him?
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On January 04 2011 00:39 SkytoM wrote:
I don't know what he did wrong?
He thinks John is bad and that he can do better. Why not go for it and ask if they are looking for someone to replace him?
you wouldnt go up to a couple and tell the woman she can do better than her boyfriend now, would you?
Either way this discussion is settled
+ Show Spoiler +I probably shouldnt have bumped this, thought the post was only like 3 minutes ago ^^
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On January 03 2011 10:55 Sqq wrote:
Its a bit douche to do what Tasteless did, but what I cant figure out, even tho I've read it 3 times now, is what it actually added to the quality of the cast ? Did he just randomly blert that out ? It even said "what I didn't get to say in the TvT". So... he basically sat the whole cast to try and find a breathing room for him to humiliate this guy on air ? It added nothing of value to the cast whatsoever.
It is a sick story, cause people should NOT be doing what this dude did. Screwing up is okay, but from what I understood it didn't seem like this fella apologized right away, which he should have done. Also, I'm surprised by all the people who think this dude did nothing wrong, reminds me of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.
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On January 04 2011 00:28 DDKz wrote:According to Day9 in Daily #100 Nick's casting career started when he went up to the organizers of a Starcraft event he was knocked out of and told them he could a better job than the guy casting so they gave him a mic and he was great.
Probably a bit of exaggeration in that characterization but hmm, here's the vid for reference.
On January 04 2011 01:25 Nivoh wrote:from what I understood it didn't seem like this fella apologized right away
The fact is nobody except Tasteless and the random guy knows how it really happened, but it doesn't matter anyway because everybody apologized to everybody else and they are totally best bros now, case closed.
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Well, the dude can do whatever he wants, but don't be suprised when you do something kinda stupid and get called out for it. If the dude was 100% positive, that what he did was right, he wouldn't have been embarassed by it.
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Based on reading the transcript, I don't really view what Tasteless said as 'douchey' at all. It was not a callout by name, it could have been harsh but it really wasn't. I guess the line people are objecting to is this one?
Tasteless: Yeah, uh... some people just don't know . . . what it's like to be a human.
The way I interpreted that was 'everyone makes mistakes. the very idea of asking to take someone's entire job because he made a few mistakes is ridiculous'.
I could very well be mistaken, that might not be what he meant at all, but at the end of the day it wouldn't surprise me. There is a very prevalent attitude within the SC2 community and gamers in general that mistakes are not to be tolerated under any circumstances and that even the most minor of errors is grounds for leering mockery and harsh, disproportionate criticism. I see it all the time, spectators taking dumps on people far more talented than themselves, which is very rarely justified, because they expect people to be perfect robots, not flawed humans.
Again though, I could be entirely mistaken, that comment is vague and open to interpretation.
I also think some people don't really understand what hypocrisy actually is. 'Oh, Nick got his job the same way, how dare he condemn this dude!'. Well no, by the sounds of it, Nick confidently presented a strong case, from a position of being at least known within the Starcraft community at the time, if not a superstar and won over the organisers. This guy failed to do that, by the sounds of it in a fairly major way and while I do feel sorry for the guy because he choked and made a fool of himself, that does not make Nick a hypocrite. That's not what it means at all.
I've always thought that something which supposedly lands you in the 8th circle of hell, forced to wear heavy lead robes as you walk around the circumference of a large circle and to march across the crucified writhing body of Caiphas, probably isn't a word you should throw around lightly
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On January 03 2011 05:19 CanucksJC wrote:
While it's true that John's English isn't perfect, I think that he tries really hard to improve himself and do whatever he can to keep his job. It was WAY out of the line for this guy to march in there and ask for a job like that.
Look, I'm not saying it's the way I would do things, but to say It's "WAY out of the line" -?? Oh c'mon, this same thing happens every single day all over the world and everyone seems fine with it.
Have you ever applied for a position that was already held? Congratulations, you're no different. He was simply applying in an aggressive manner.
Like I said, I'm not saying I agree with it, but people around here see apples to oranges when in reality, they're doing the same thing with no qualms.
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I don't really see how it's eventful, at all. This happens all the time, every day. You go into a place looking for work because you think you can do a better job, they tell you to gtfo because you don't have the connections that land jobs like the one you want, and you tell yourself they were dicks anyways and move on with your life. The only thing that happened differently here is that A) people hang onto every word Tasteless says and critique him for every perceived misstep and B) this guy took the rejection personally because he has a mancrush on Tasteless when most people would have shrugged this off and moved on with their lives in a matter of minutes. Sucks for this guy but he also needs to get some thicker skin, especially when it comes to matters of the internet.
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Surprised this thread keeps growing after Tasteless addressed the post on the GOM forums (during the broadcast) after the 2nd match-up from RO32 in Code A .
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this really makes my heart feel good
Like after reading that post and the reply, hopefully tasteless will address this, and help him. He never meant any harm and at the end he's left with nothing rite ?
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On January 03 2011 23:42 KnightOfNi wrote:
Tasteless proving once again that he has no taste in what is socially and professionally acceptable.
Hell even artosis realized that it was FUCKING STUPID to say that on the air >.>...
You should relax. Tasteless misinterpreted this guys offer as a slam against John and was being a loyal friend by defending him. Its not like he said the guys name or anything on air, maybe talking about it on the stream wasn't the greatest idea but its hard to fault him for sticking up for his friend.
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I'm not sure Tasteless is in the wrong here. He kept the guy anonymous. And the guy is trying to guilt trip Tasteless into feeling bad so he feels better about his mistake(despite how innocent it was). So John made a mistake, did something dumb or cringe worthy. Congrats, all humans do that occasionally. After the shock and embarrassment wears off he'll look back and laugh about it and hopefully learn from the mistake.
w/e
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On January 04 2011 00:28 DDKz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 00:07 TrANCE, wrote:
Tastless is where he is now because he dropped out of a tournament, went to the organisers and told them the guy that was hosting it was doing a rubbish job and he could do better.
This is exactly what came to mind when I first read the OP lol.. According to Day9 in Daily #100 Nick's casting career started when he went up to the organizers of a Starcraft event he was knocked out of and told them he could a better job than the guy casting so they gave him a mic and he was great. I guess it's easy to forget your roots.. sometimes you just need someone to give you a chance, and when they don't you need to go after it yourself which is what this guy did and in this particular case the result was being humiliated by an idol of his, I love Tasteless as much as the next guy but dick-move man.. dick-move.
I'm not defending anyone here, but I would like to at least put some clarification on how Tasteless "began his career". I actually side with both parties because I do believe you should always GO FOR IT, but at the same time, there is always a right way and a wrong way.
When Tasteless made that "request" it was back in 2004. Back then, most of the casters were from Quake, CS, UT2k4, etc. - and admittedly we didn't have much of a SC casting crew (but who did). In fact, I remember during that time that I really wanted to pick up some SC casters, as the only one I knew by name was Manifesto7 (who I spoke to on the phone a few times - but we never got much going due to timing).
The point is, Tasteless took a huge risk when there wasn't anyone else helming the ship. Back then he had no experience (only his credibility), but he was up against a bunch of other people WHO ALSO HAD NO EXPERIENCE. Now a days things are a bit different. You do look at a guy like Nick who has several years of broadcasting under his belt, and his philosophy of "just go ask" doesn't work anymore.
In this day and age you have to make a name for yourself and show the community the work you're willing to put into it. I think we've seen several people emerge as shining beacons of light because they busted their ass to make it happen.
So while there may be some similarities between what Tasteless did and what this anonymous person did... timing is still a critical piece of the puzzle, and you cannot necessarily blame either person for how things transpired.
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On January 04 2011 01:25 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 10:55 Sqq wrote:
Its a bit douche to do what Tasteless did, but what I cant figure out, even tho I've read it 3 times now, is what it actually added to the quality of the cast ? Did he just randomly blert that out ? It even said "what I didn't get to say in the TvT". So... he basically sat the whole cast to try and find a breathing room for him to humiliate this guy on air ? It added nothing of value to the cast whatsoever. It is a sick story, cause people should NOT be doing what this dude did. Screwing up is okay, but from what I understood it didn't seem like this fella apologized right away, which he should have done. Also, I'm surprised by all the people who think this dude did nothing wrong, reminds me of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.
Don't be such a prick, the guys intention was to get a translating gig. He didnt want to completely replace John. He had good intention, but his nerves made him sound like he was being an asshole. When Tasteless replyed with anger(sort of), the guy felt really bad that tasteless took this so personally, and even made it public when it shouldve just stayed behind the scenes. It was a big misunderstanding, and the gentleman apologized hoping tasteless wouldn't think so bad of him anymore. He wanted to get it off his chest, clearly, because he sounds like a big fan of tasteless, like you and I.
Again, its a big misunderstanding, and John has recognized this. This thread can be closed now.
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Although this guy might have made him self look like kind of a dick to tasteless it was stupid of tasteless to say in on the stream they've got to realize that it's getting a lot of attention that stream and that they can't just say things like that but then again they didn't mention names ah well not really that big of a deal.
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Never mind didnt fully read the OP.
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On January 04 2011 01:03 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 00:39 SkytoM wrote:
I don't know what he did wrong?
He thinks John is bad and that he can do better. Why not go for it and ask if they are looking for someone to replace him? you wouldnt go up to a couple and tell the woman she can do better than her boyfriend now, would you? Either way this discussion is settled + Show Spoiler +I probably shouldnt have bumped this, thought the post was only like 3 minutes ago ^^
If it is the truth, why not?
Btw. I think John does a great job, dont wanna start misunderstandings here but IF someone thinks that John is bad(which he has a right to!) and he himself can do better he should apply for the job with this exact reason.
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looks to me like the guy is trying to invoke pity by repeating how he is sorry and calling himself an idiot and a dick, and by the looks of it it's working pretty well so far; what he did was not right and tasteless has every right to joke about it all he wants;
you're all quick in judging tasteless but think what anyone of you would do if someone came up to you and told you you pretty much sucked at your job
get real, world isn't all flowers, unicorns and rainbows, it's perfectly fine to tell someone off when they do something stupid
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On January 04 2011 09:37 SkCom wrote:
looks to me like the guy is trying to invoke pity by repeating how he is sorry and calling himself an idiot and a dick, and by the looks of it it's working pretty well so far; what he did was not right and tasteless has every right to joke about it all he wants;
you're all quick in judging tasteless but think what anyone of you would do if someone came up to you and told you you pretty much sucked at your job
get real, world isn't all flowers, unicorns and rainbows, it's perfectly fine to tell someone off when they do something stupid
fucking amen. not to mention making a mountain out of a molehill, as at least one poster has said so far. drama llamas -- this isn't The OC. Take your melodrama elsewhere and stop creating something out of nothing.
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Definitely super unprofessional from tasteless, stuff like this certainly doesn't help legitimize e-sports. You'd not see a response by some one on tv like this in any other arena.
On the plus side, pure class from John.
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I can't believe tasteless apologized. He had every right to do what he did and I was entertained by the story.
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He has every right to apologize if he feels like it too.
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On January 04 2011 09:52 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 09:37 SkCom wrote:
looks to me like the guy is trying to invoke pity by repeating how he is sorry and calling himself an idiot and a dick, and by the looks of it it's working pretty well so far; what he did was not right and tasteless has every right to joke about it all he wants;
you're all quick in judging tasteless but think what anyone of you would do if someone came up to you and told you you pretty much sucked at your job
get real, world isn't all flowers, unicorns and rainbows, it's perfectly fine to tell someone off when they do something stupid fucking amen. not to mention making a mountain out of a molehill, as at least one poster has said so far. drama llamas -- this isn't The OC. Take your melodrama elsewhere and stop creating something out of nothing.
Now, the ones who's making this melodrama is all of us writing about it, including you. His "I'm sry story" doesn't grow by itself.
Secondly, if u wanna act professional you definitely not talk shit about someone on air. Hopefully both of them learned something about this incident.
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Some random guy just want attention... and get famous?
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I like Tasteless and all but that was a bit out-of-line. What happens outside the GSL stays outside GSL.
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Perhaps Tastless is trying to tell the community, especially the know-it-alls that they do not know it all.
All the complainers about streams, translations, maps, balance, casting, observing and 1000 other things are easy to complain about, but to think any of us could do it any better is absolutely BS.
Easy to sit at home and bitch about anything about eSports, but to actually do that job, infront of the camera, in that busy, hectic enviourment is much more difficult than people think.
The guy showed little respect for John, by outright claiming he could do his job better, Tasteless put some reality into his head, and showed class by not saying his name but simply using him as an example of the often, snarky, snotty community.
...or perhaps he was just trying to amuse the audience by telling a funny, innocent story, nobodys name was mentioned.
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I like Tasteless, but it wasn't professional of him to do so. All you Tasteless fans can defend him til the bitter end, but you have to know that Tasteless is hired to be a professional caster/commentator/whatever you want to call it. It is just like any other job where you have to present yourself well because your image represents your job, in this case, GOMTV.
In my opinion, hate it or whatever, it wasn't too bad. At least Tasteless didn't go into 100% detail about the situation. I always view Tasteless as a laidback type of person, who can be professional when needed. I mean, Tasteless and Artosis keeps the viewer entertained during dead time and in the game.
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can somebody paste the "apology" from tasteless? or just tell me where can i watch the story and the apology?
anyway it sounds like tasteless didnt do that much of a bad thing, the guy clearly fucked up, you need to have some sense in your head to not fuck up like that..
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ops seems like i cannot express my opinions on this forum
my bad guys
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I didn't understand why this thread was made in the first place. Team liquid is not TMZ. At the very very best, I could've seen this as maybe a blog.
Now that the issue has been pretty much resolved, I don't understand why this thread hasn't been closed.
An utterly confusing thread, it would appear.
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You bunkerrushed my heart.
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dammit i missed it
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Its not a big deal. We've all screwed job interviews. I feel both sides have inflated the situation.
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see? that reply is EXACTLY why we fucking LOVE john... such a beast...
JOHN HWAITING!!!!
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LOL at The OC comment and everyone crying about how tasteless somehow did something wrong.
Why make a big deal out of it. If there was a thread created for every time someone said something stupid and made a dick out of himself....
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I got a warning for stating the truth, and being "rude" because someone else was flaming. Ridiculous.
This is my serious face :|
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On January 04 2011 11:25 habbey wrote:
Definitely super unprofessional from tasteless, stuff like this certainly doesn't help legitimize e-sports. You'd not see a response by some one on tv like this in any other arena.
On the plus side, pure class from John.
Have you ever watched actual sports? You seem to have some kind of wild, brood-war inspired misconception that they're just mannerfests. They're not. The scandals in real sports are so big that shit like what happened here wouldn't even go reported because of how minor it is.
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In my opinion, Tasteless made the wrong move. Its sort of power-abuse if you know what I mean.
You talk bad about my friend? I broadcast that to thousands of people to make you feel bad. The whole reason Tasteless said it on air is to make this guy feel bad. I don't believe he thought that story was interesting to tell, just that it made him upset.
Having watched Tasteless commentate for BW and now SC2, you can tell Tasteless gets very emotional and has an awkward sense of righteousness. I hope he becomes more professional about his work and keep private matters private. Otherwise, despite many people liking tasteless, he may get knocked due to bad ethics. In America.
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On January 05 2011 10:35 TURKISHRAMBO wrote:
I got a warning for stating the truth, and being "rude" because someone else was flaming. Ridiculous.
This is my serious face :|
I think you got the warning because of this:
On January 04 2011 07:31 TURKISHRAMBO wrote:
This thread can be closed now.
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Anyway, I think we can all agree that going up to someone, saying they do their job poorly, and asking to replace them is not a kind thing to do. Even though he said he was nervous and not fully composed when he asked, there still wasn't any reason for him to ask in the first place.
That aside, I feel like there was no reason for Tasteless to tell this story publicly. I don't hold it against him, and I'm not saying that it was wrong of him, but realistically there's no real reason to say that kind of thing in a cast. Then again, I haven't watched any of the GSL streams and I don't know what the tone of the commentary typically is, so I can't really say much about that.
Afterwards, however, I feel like this guy is a hero for coming out, admitting it was him, and publicly apologizing. It would've been very easy for him to keep his mouth shut and let everyone forget about the incident, but he did what he should've done, which is admit that he made a mistake and say he was wrong. What I really appreciate from his apology is that he didn't even ask for forgiveness because he realized he didn't really deserve it. Yeah, he did something stupid, but he did the absolute best he could've done to make up for it after the fact.
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