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Levistus
1134 Posts
any other terran with high ping like me? can you give me tips. i can't fix the ping but maybe i can fix my micro. I tried using attack ground->right click move then repeat but its slow. I also tried using stop, it's fast but usually my marines don't shoot. i know the importance of being aggressive as terran that's why this is a big problem for me, if i should just switch to another race, what race should i play? thanks. | ||
HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
Consider getting into Brood War, imo. | ||
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Knutzi
Norway664 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-LeatrixLatencyFix.html It lowers latency in blizzard games. Not much but anything can help. | ||
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Shaada
New Zealand14 Posts
 ) and wait for your marines to shoot before you move them again. It's simply impossible with the lag to get as many shots off as someone without lag but fact is it's the best you can do. I've come to the point now where it is very rare that I will rage about lag in 1v1 (oh but 2v2's can smad argghhhh go away banelings!) | ||
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Levistus
1134 Posts
On December 27 2010 08:00 Shaada wrote: I'm in the same boat as you except I guess I've come to grips with it and tried to manage it so it no longer bothers me. With marine micro in particular, the problem is you press the stop and move keys too quickly like you're FoxeR, but because of the lag the marines often won't shoot at all. Quite simply, the best thing to do is to just be patient with your micro (easier said than done ) and wait for your marines to shoot before you move them again. It's simply impossible with the lag to get as many shots off as someone without lag but fact is it's the best you can do. I've come to the point now where it is very rare that I will rage about lag in 1v1 (oh but 2v2's can smad argghhhh go away banelings!)yea that's the problem. if we can't shoot as fast like in singleplayer then we are at a big disadvantage. it's no problem if its marauders cause they don't shoot fast, its just the marines specially with stimpack. | ||
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Arcanewinds
United Kingdom197 Posts
Micro isn't massively important anyway, split your marines pre-battle and you'll be fine. | ||
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NearPerfection
232 Posts
For example, Zerg is primarily holding down keys. This of course should be relatively unneffected by lag, simply put all your hatcheries in control group 3 (or any group u prefer) right click where u want all your units than hold down a key for the unit you want (IE. Spawn Roach-----) With much fewer clicks required, as well as marginal penalty for being delayed in those clicks Zerg is latency friendly, Except... you probably going to get 4 gated in which case if your just attack moving with ling/roach and get caught off creep and lose queens and lose overlord and lose units, you basically die. Latency will definitely harm your ability to defend early game rushes. Terran, on the other hand are generally safe, there is no question that marines hold their own against all but the most expensive AoE unit and marauders cost per cost pretty much own everything else. However Latency will as you've discovered hinder a terran players ability from making the leap from terran player to known good terran player. If latency is holding u back than perhaps u should adopt the preferred style of most terrans. that is memorize a somewhat simple 1 base build order, sit in base. reach end of build order. lower supply depots, move out... profit. Protoss, I wonder how 200+ ping effects your ability to forcefield? If you can manage to lay down 4 perfect forcefields in a fast .5-.8 second fashion with few overlaps and no gaps protoss for you will be gold. Some things to stear away from, First blink stalker, if you can't perform the ball micro of terran cause of latency, there is simply no way you could possibly perform the individual unit micro a 3 gate stalker build requires. Second, stear clear of phoenix to harass worker lines, graviton beaming with 200+ ping only for those precious milliseconds to pass with nothing happening while stimmed marines come and kill everything or a fungal growth goes off and all your phoenix die... not so good ^^. Colossus, beware battles vs marauder unless u have 4 colossi if you have latency, by this time lancers should have been researched as well as have a large enough gateway force that marauders can't press stim and right click colossus and ur colossus dies in 1-2 stim vollies cuz he took too long to run away. TLDR, switching races probably won't benefit you, if you decide to stay terran simply slowly transition to more 1 base all in type styles where clutch micro won't have a large effect on your win ratio. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
(I had stopped playirg for a long time partly because of that :p) On topic, SC2 is 100% unplayable with the slightest lag. Like is any game requiring precise execution and having its roots in it (VS fighting games are 200% unplayable online as an example. Editors try but any decent player will tell you it's a different game than offline game). | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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MegaBUD
Canada179 Posts
On December 27 2010 07:50 DeltruS wrote: I suggest http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-LeatrixLatencyFix.html It lowers latency in blizzard games. Not much but anything can help. Wont fix his problem.... SC2 use UDP. Fix your lag... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
ZvZ Is most microintensive MU and I cant describe the rage you will get after losing 100 lings to 1 baneling because u had 150+ ping. Protoss really needs the speed to micro more units than terran needs. I think this is a fact but it may not. However just thinking about forcefielding and microing colos with ur ping.. uhh.. It takes dedication to switch all over to new race and reach the same level you was. | ||
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iko
New Zealand137 Posts
On December 27 2010 08:40 optical630 wrote: you need to fix ur lag instead of working around it Please explain how exactly we're supposed to "fix our lag". I, and millions of other Oceanics eagerly await your solution which breaks the laws of physics. | ||
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goldengold
Norway61 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:16 iko wrote: Please explain how exactly we're supposed to "fix our lag". I, and millions of other Oceanics eagerly await your solution which breaks the laws of physics. Getting better broadband isint exactly breaking the laws of physics, | ||
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Levistus
1134 Posts
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Levistus
1134 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:21 goldengold wrote: Getting better broadband isint exactly breaking the laws of physics, you don't understand. it's the distance of our countries to the server. do you think if you have the best broadband you will have low latency if the server is in pluto? | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:22 Levistus wrote: It's not lag guys it's latency cause the NA server is far from my country. My connection routes to the USA and other countries before getting to SEA that's why NA is better for me. Blizzard is the host so I don't affect my opponents. I guess I'll just have to accept that ISPs suck in my country. It would actually go straight to the sea server and back. | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:21 goldengold wrote: Getting better broadband isint exactly breaking the laws of physics, Someone doesn't understand how data transmission works. Hint: It may be you. Unfortunately a high ping is something you just have to deal with. I usually find I have a lot more success in doing stutter-step micro if I rightclick move -> a-move the ground behind their army, as the time it takes for me to get my mouse cursor from the move position to the a-move position usually gives my marines/marauders time to fire. Some goes for any race, really. Edit: In contrast to the Right Click move -> press H (or s) tactic. People who are saying it's unplayable though are pretty wrong, 200 ping is a disadvantage but it's not a "you might as well stop playing" one. | ||
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applejuice
307 Posts
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Levistus
1134 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:27 Rampager wrote: Someone doesn't understand how data transmission works. Hint: It may be you. Anyone who plays in the NA server with 200 ping wanna play? PM me here lets practice other aspects of the game. Going to bed I'll add/play with you guys later. | ||
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smegged
Australia213 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:27 DeltruS wrote: It would actually go straight to the sea server and back. No it does not because Australia has very poor connections to Asia by broadband. Most Asian traffic is routed through the US and there is nothing that we can really do about it. Incidentally, I play on NA because I get better ping. | ||
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smegged
Australia213 Posts
a) speedling/baneling wars in zvz are a nightmare with any latency b) you will rage after losing a whole flock of mutalisks to thor fire that you have microed away from but have lost because the ping sent them to their deaths. c) fending off early harass is harder with bad ping. | ||
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Volka
Argentina411 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:04 MegaBUD wrote: Wont fix his problem.... SC2 use UDP. Fix your lag... Actually, I'm pretty certain it uses TCP ( it makes sense). In the Battle.net help guide it says that it uses 1119 TCP port, and the 1119 UDP port but fof voice chat. So that tool might do something. Also, if you're using a wirelesss connection, then it's likey you're lagging a bit more than if you're wired. | ||
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piskooooo
United States351 Posts
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goldengold
Norway61 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:27 Rampager wrote: Someone doesn't understand how data transmission works. Hint: It may be you. Unfortunately a high ping is something you just have to deal with. I usually find I have a lot more success in doing stutter-step micro if I rightclick move -> a-move the ground behind their army, as the time it takes for me to get my mouse cursor from the move position to the a-move position usually gives my marines/marauders time to fire. Some goes for any race, really. Edit: In contrast to the Right Click move -> press H (or s) tactic. People who are saying it's unplayable though are pretty wrong, 200 ping is a disadvantage but it's not a "you might as well stop playing" one. Getting a better connection will improve ping... Think about it, its like travelling, going at 100km/h will take you 1 hour, going at 200km/h will get you there in half an hour... | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On December 27 2010 07:46 HawaiianPig wrote: Online gaming at all with that kind of ping is going to be very difficult no matter what race you play. Consider getting into Brood War, imo. i doubt playing BW which requires even better ping to play well than sc2 is a good answer. you can make up for ping with timing ur actions.. bout it playing any competitive game with high ping will suck, sorry to say. games like WOW (non PvP play at least) will be playable at least. | ||
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:21 goldengold wrote: Getting better broadband isint exactly breaking the laws of physics, your ignorance is astounding and mind blowing. | ||
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goldengold
Norway61 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:51 MavercK wrote: your ignorance is astounding and mind blowing. Elaborate please | ||
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ShrimpDance
392 Posts
On December 27 2010 07:50 DeltruS wrote: I suggest http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-LeatrixLatencyFix.html It lowers latency in blizzard games. Not much but anything can help. This Leatrix Latency fixer thing, though. That looks interesting. Can anyone vouch for it? | ||
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Snookemz
Australia26 Posts
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:48 goldengold wrote: Getting a better connection will improve ping... Think about it, its like travelling, going at 100km/h will take you 1 hour, going at 200km/h will get you there in half an hour... you forget. increasing bandwidth doesn't increase transmission speed. the internet is not a car. theres this thing people seem to be forgetting. that being the speed of light. also processing time it takes for each router/pc your connection goes through. also you did the metaphor wrong. a better way would be to say that you can get a normal car to a destination in an hour. getting a better internet connection lets you get a double decker bus to the same location in the same time. not faster. im absolutely amazed people think you can get a good ping over such a distance. you can't. it's impossible. not until we discover a method to transmit data faster than the speed of light. On December 27 2010 09:57 Cognizance wrote: I live in Australia and also get better ping on NA than SEA. The NA ping is acceptable for me though. This Leatrix Latency fixer thing, though. That looks interesting. Can anyone vouch for it? Leatrix is a TCP registry tweak. SC2 does not use TCP. it's UDP. it will do nothing. On December 27 2010 09:44 Volka wrote: Actually, I'm pretty certain it uses TCP ( it makes sense). In the Battle.net help guide it says that it uses 1119 TCP port, and the 1119 UDP port but fof voice chat. So that tool might do something. Also, if you're using a wirelesss connection, then it's likey you're lagging a bit more than if you're wired. it's definitely UDP. use a network monitor. also everything like Lowerping and Battleping ceased to work when Blizzard switched SC2 to UDP in the beta (no-one remembers the horrendous lag problems this caused initially?) | ||
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
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esp
Australia109 Posts
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Volka
Argentina411 Posts
On December 27 2010 10:03 MavercK wrote: you forget. increasing bandwidth doesn't increase transmission speed. the internet is not a car. theres this thing people seem to be forgetting. that being the speed of light. also processing time it takes for each router/pc your connection goes through. also you did the metaphor wrong. a better way would be to say that you can get a normal car to a destination in an hour. getting a better internet connection lets you get a double decker bus to the same location in the same time. not faster. im absolutely amazed people think you can get a good ping over such a distance. you can't. it's impossible. not until we discover a method to transmit data faster than the speed of light. Leatrix is a TCP registry tweak. SC2 does not use TCP. it's UDP. it will do nothing. it's definitely UDP. use a network monitor. also everything like Lowerping and Battleping ceased to work when Blizzard switched SC2 to UDP in the beta (no-one remembers the horrendous lag problems this caused initially?) Using a network monitor software, I can confirm that it is TCP, and uses the 1119 port like it was said. So give those programs a try! ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/gesA7.png) | ||
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Gentlebite
United States132 Posts
On December 27 2010 07:50 DeltruS wrote: I suggest http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-LeatrixLatencyFix.html It lowers latency in blizzard games. Not much but anything can help. This literally HALVES your latency It works for all games, not just Blizzard ones | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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MavercK
Australia2181 Posts
On December 27 2010 10:45 Volka wrote: Using a network monitor software, I can confirm that it is TCP, and uses the 1119 port like it was said. So give those programs a try! are you actually in a game or sitting in battle.net Beta Patch 13 UDP is enabled to help improve game performance. | ||
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Volka
Argentina411 Posts
However, I retested it with a custom game and got the same results. Furthermore, I intentionally closed the TCP session and I was inmediatlly dropped from the game, so it's quite clear that the game was using that TCP session. Dunno about the patch though. UDP might mean another thing?? It's not clear. | ||
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Snookemz
Australia26 Posts
On December 27 2010 10:01 Snookemz wrote: How do you check out what your ping is? | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
I feel you OP. Do whatever you can to lower your ping. I myself can't 'cos China internet sucks so bad, there is nothing I can do T_T | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On December 27 2010 13:24 strider755 wrote: How do you know what's your ping? Mouse over the menu tab on the top while playing a game. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On December 27 2010 10:03 MavercK wrote: you forget. increasing bandwidth doesn't increase transmission speed. the internet is not a car. theres this thing people seem to be forgetting. that being the speed of light. also processing time it takes for each router/pc your connection goes through. One thing to add to this is that a lot of games actually do not use that much bandwidth at all, 2mbit/s(0.250mb/s)+ is probably good enough for any online game. | ||
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Levistus
1134 Posts
Going to try the latency fix. Thanks. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Also, a lot of people says that Bayan BroadBand? I think that's the name is pretty baller if you only want to play at SEA. | ||
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
On December 27 2010 07:50 DeltruS wrote: Is this legit as far as Blizzard is concerned? I'll actually give it a go as long as I don't get banned. I suggest http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-LeatrixLatencyFix.html It lowers latency in blizzard games. Not much but anything can help. | ||
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Daria
Australia500 Posts
On December 27 2010 20:39 Touch wrote: Is this legit as far as Blizzard is concerned? I'll actually give it a go as long as I don't get banned. It is legit, I use it for WoW, but it doesn't do anything to the game itself. It does some stuff with your internet connection and increases incoming TCP packets  | ||
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squintz
Canada217 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:16 iko wrote: Please explain how exactly we're supposed to "fix our lag". I, and millions of other Oceanics eagerly await your solution which breaks the laws of physics. No laws need to be broken. Out with the copper and in with the fiber. | ||
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njAl
Norway156 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 27 2010 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote: Not to be mean, but do you realize you also are an hindrance to your opponents ? If you have a shitty connexion, you'd better not play online competitive games, it's unfair to your opponents who wish to play at the top of their capacities >.< (I had stopped playirg for a long time partly because of that :p) On topic, SC2 is 100% unplayable with the slightest lag. Like is any game requiring precise execution and having its roots in it (VS fighting games are 200% unplayable online as an example. Editors try but any decent player will tell you it's a different game than offline game). Not correct, for the most part. If an American plays vs me on Korea, he will have some latency but I wont feel any, and vice versa. If hes actually lagging to the point where hes almots dropping, then yeah, hed be a problem but thats not the issue  | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I really thought your opponent had something to do, as I have already experienced a lag and am living 10kms from Bnet servers (France, Velizy), with a very good connection (8ms ping to google servers). Bnet 2.0 is so confusing >.< | ||
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MegaBUD
Canada179 Posts
On December 27 2010 09:44 Volka wrote: Actually, I'm pretty certain it uses TCP ( it makes sense). In the Battle.net help guide it says that it uses 1119 TCP port, and the 1119 UDP port but fof voice chat. So that tool might do something. Also, if you're using a wirelesss connection, then it's likey you're lagging a bit more than if you're wired. Well you were'nt here during beta... Sc2 uses UDP... | ||
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Volka
Argentina411 Posts
On December 27 2010 22:49 MegaBUD wrote: Well you were'nt here during beta... Sc2 uses UDP... Read my other posts. Guys, don't be so stubborn. It's proven that SC II uses TCP. Blizzard says it and it was confirmed with a port scanner. Also, It MUST use TCP otherwise it wouldn't make sense. TCP checks that the data was received correctly. UDP doesn't. So, imagine sending data of the position of your Marines and not getting acknowledgements that it was recieved ok. It would be a mess! In contrast, with TCP, even though it can take a while (latency), there's no data loss. Very few applications (like DNS) use UDP for this reason. It doesn't matter anyways | ||
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wargasm
94 Posts
1. Pay for a decent ISP that allows interleaving off 2. Do the TckAckFrequency registry edit (google latency fix registry for instructions) 3. If you are still unsatisfied with your latency after step 1 & 2, pay for a vpn tunneling service like lowerping/pingbetter. Costs around $1 a month (afaik) and they have free servers you can trial first; can't guarantee that free servers aren't flooded though It's too late to type up a full step-by-step so google is your friend EDIT: Oh, and just by doing step 1 & 2 my latency decreased from around 250 to 150, as low as 130 with tunneling. Forgot to say I'm based in New Zealand. | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
One type of lag does bother me, and I can't figure out what is causing it precisely. When I play Zerg or Terran I don't really see it. But when warping in units with Protoss, if I don't use the Z+shift method but instead do something like ZZZSSSEEE (with left clicks in between the letters), sometimes it freaks out a little and I'll have to press some keys over. Obviously when you click in an area that is out of warpin range or on top of another unit you'll have problems, but this is a sort of lag. The crazy thing if i do Z+shift and click click click, etc. I can warp things in WAAAAY fast so it's not my PC slowing down. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
The best advice is to play on the server closest to your country, or just deal with the ping. I play on the US server from Taiwan as Terran and I am used to the ping by now, I know what kind of micro I can do or not do with my latency and it can be a little frustrating at times, but you just have to deal with it if you want to play on the US server. 200 ms is not bad at all for MMOs or RTS compared to FPS games. | ||
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
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