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alacheesu
21 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:08 MorNin wrote: Since they got caught and will no longer do it -_-' Tournaments are for competition.. Best player should always come ahead, Fixing is wrong.... They didn't "get caught". They asked the organizers beforehand and got told no. Get your facts straight. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:15 alacheesu wrote: They didn't "get caught". They asked the organizers beforehand and got told no. Get your facts straight. No, we do not know that. By the all information we have they might have done that afterwards. | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:15 -Archangel- wrote: Wtf? So you are saying it is OK to cheat the house? Any tournament has rules, if you do not like those rules do not join the tournament (of if those rules break some law report them). By this statement of yours I would guess you also do not want to pay taxes as that is ONLY cheating the "house"?! When did I say it was okay to cheat the house? And no, not paying taxes is not equivalent to cheating the house. In theory taxes are used by the government to support the entire community. By not paying taxes you're cheating the community. | ||
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TehForce
1072 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:17 -Archangel- wrote: No, we do not know that. By the all information we have they might have done that afterwards. only one of them played in the first tournament. first tournament was before this "scandal" was published" => they asked organizers beforhand | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
Savior: Hey Luxury, I betted $1,000 on you to lose tonight, so you should throw away the game. Luxury: Only if I get half share. Savior: Ok, deal. Now this, SjoW: Hey Morrow, one of us gets a computer if we fix matches, so let's do it. Morrow: Only if you throw the games and I get computer. SjoW: Ok, pay me back later. What's so different? I don't even understand how some people are actually defending these assholes. Competition is a competition, and they tried to fix it, now everyone knows, so they drop the plan. Pathetic. | ||
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philly5man
United Kingdom356 Posts
If they're the best two players in the tournament by a way, and they split them down the middle 9-9, neither of them get a computer. If they make sure one of them wins 11 times then at least someone gets it. It's naughty but stuff like that has always happened in CS in the UK (my background). | ||
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razamanaz
271 Posts
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Askesis
216 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:15 alacheesu wrote: They didn't "get caught". They asked the organizers beforehand and got told no. Get your facts straight. And where are your facts, Mister? All that was states was that they "talked to" the staff. Whether they approached them outright or if the tournament caught wind and asked the players what was up has not been established. Get YOUR facts straight. | ||
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Askesis
216 Posts
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Whiladan
United States463 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:04 Ryusei-R1 wrote: I don't believe this is matchfixing, this is just preset results. Hypothetically they make the finals against each other, they'll have preset results, not toss matches in an effort to make it look real, in order to ensure that either one of them will play. They could, in theory, just play the series and one of the players would simply walk over the other and get a quick victory, but their method is much faster. It makes complete sense. This isn't something that's going to blow up because people are betting on Sjow/Morrow on some sort of betting campaign and are expecting either one of them toss the game in order to gain money. You can't just use a synonym and make it something different. That would be like me saying your assertion isn't stupid, it's just moronic. Regardless of which word we're using, a match with a pre-determined result is a fixed match. This is esports, not the WWE. Let's have some integrity. | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:19 CanucksJC wrote: Meanwhile in Korea, Savior: Hey Luxury, I betted $1,000 on you to lose tonight, so you should throw away the game. Luxury: Only if I get half share. Savior: Ok, deal. Now this, SjoW: Hey Morrow, one of us gets a computer if we fix matches, so let's do it. Morrow: Only if you throw the games and I get computer. SjoW: Ok, pay me back later. What's so different? I don't even understand how some people are actually defending these assholes. Competition is a competition, and they tried to fix it, now everyone knows, so they drop the plan. Pathetic. Thats an entirely different scenario. No outside gambling is taking place. They even asked the admins about it. As far as we know they weren't caught, but rather they asked. The silly format of the tournament promotes this. Too lazy to find the post, but someone remarked on how the tournament format would be like the GSL only rewarding players who 4-0'ed their opponents. Thats utter ridiculousness. And SERIOUSLY, chill until you know if they were going to secretively do it, everything seems just like speculation right now. The important factor is knowing if they were going to do it WITHOUT asking the tournament admins first. Otherwise thats seriously just players asking if they can make the ridiculous prize format less ridiculous. | ||
Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4216 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:15 -Archangel- wrote: Wtf? So you are saying it is OK to cheat the house? Any tournament has rules, if you do not like those rules do not join the tournament (of if those rules break some law report them). By this statement of yours I would guess you also do not want to pay taxes as that is ONLY cheating the "house"?! They have more to gain by working together than by playing against eachother. If they are playing for the reward at the end, and they would actually make more by working together, then it's a poorly setup system..... Tbh, I don't see anything wrong with it - it's kinda like how many types of auto-racing near the end of the season will often work..... One teammate purposely does worse than he could have done, so the other can maximize his points, as well as doing better in the constructors championships, and hopefully move up the standings/secure a better position; and as a whole, the team does better than they would have otherwise. It's just a poorly designed prize system. If it was "you have to win the most tournaments to get the "grand prize"" instead, then yes, there would be a problem with them working together, because there is no real benefit of it. All they seem to be doing is taking advantage of some clever marketing scheme designed to prevent the "grand prize" from being won. When part of your motivation to take part in the tournament is the money you'd make from it, they're definitely making the right choice. And match fixing when related to gambling is completely illegal, so the parodies to what happened in Korea are pretty dumb..... | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:20 philly5man wrote: Can see why they were doing it if the format was as stupid as they say. If they're the best two players in the tournament by a way, and they split them down the middle 9-9, neither of them get a computer. If they make sure one of them wins 11 times then at least someone gets it. It's naughty but stuff like that has always happened in CS in the UK (my background). It is a stupid format. But they could have just agreed that the when one of them reaches 3 or 4 wins the other one won't participate anymore. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:18 garbanzo wrote: When did I say it was okay to cheat the house? And no, not paying taxes is not equivalent to cheating the house. In theory taxes are used by the government to support the entire community. By not paying taxes you're cheating the community. OK, you didn't say it is OK, but you agreed with the poster you were quoting (who saw nothing wrong with what Sjow and Morrow tried to do) and you downplayed the cheating by a wrong example. While technically tax money is the community money, in reality it is not. When you cheat on taxes you effectively cheat the "house" especially in countries like US where you know they will not lower their war budget to cover holes in the civilian sector. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:17 -Archangel- wrote: No, we do not know that. By the all information we have they might have done that afterwards. no, the tournament hasnt happened yet. | ||
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Whiladan
United States463 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:25 decemberscalm wrote: Thats an entirely different scenario. No outside gambling is taking place. They even asked the admins about it. As far as we know they weren't caught, but rather they asked. The silly format of the tournament promotes this. Too lazy to find the post, but someone remarked on how the tournament format would be like the GSL only rewarding players who 4-0'ed their opponents. Thats utter ridiculousness. And SERIOUSLY, chill until you know if they were going to secretively do it, everything seems just like speculation right now. The important factor is knowing if they were going to do it WITHOUT asking the tournament admins first. Otherwise thats seriously just players asking if they can make the ridiculous prize format less ridiculous. The only difference is one involves winnings from a third-party taking bets, and the other involves winnings from the tournament itself. The distinction isn't really noteworthy; neither have any place between honorable players of any competition | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
I have seen that in Sc2 too. DeMuslim and SarenS off racing each other ( i think it was a Go4Sc2 but i'm not sure ). | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
He meant after they got caught | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On December 22 2010 17:09 hypercube wrote: Is this a serious question? No, it's not okay to enter a competition and forfeit the final without a good reason. Yes it's a serious question. Why isn't it okay? No one is being harmed right? This tournament apparently isn't being streamed or anything, (maybe wrong about this idk) so there are no viewers losing out on an exciting finals. | ||
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