EPT[R] Planning a $5/10/15 buy-in tourney poll+advice - Page 4
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megagoten
318 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On December 16 2010 16:24 JeanLuc wrote: If you have enough participants divide the tournament up into SECTIONS, and have each section receive its own prizes i.e. Bronze, Silver, Gold Section (top prize for 1st) Platinum Section (top two places pays) Diamond under 2400 section (top two places pays) Diamond above 2400 section (top two places pays) make it a 15 dollar buy in. people should be willing to pay a wee bit more since they have a realistic shot of winning People could just smurf for money then >.> I'd participate in a buyin tournament like the first example you set up. Only one win to break even? Sounds fair to me  | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On December 17 2010 10:04 Najda wrote: People could just smurf for money then >.> I'd participate in a buyin tournament like the first example you set up. Only one win to break even? Sounds fair to me Well I will try to make it so the top half at least break even, but the top half has to be a power of two, otherwise it is the next highest power of two (think 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 etc) So if 100 people show up the top half is 50 so the next highest power of 2 would be 32, so 32 people would receive prizes and at least break even. And in swiss you play a bunch (3 to 5) of matches to make it clear who is the top 32 or 64. But don't worry you will have a close to 50% chance of winning prizes (assuming all MU's are 50/50). | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
why? I doube that blizzard will look for all thousend of this kind of tournaments because they have other issues to solve like how they can feed their greed with more money, but surely not putting any effort for nothing like this because they strictky follow the rule "no money no effort". They rather keep people busy with sc2 while they make real money with wow. Wow, is this really new`??? Since Activision got involved in Blizzard, there is no way that blizzard will care about such event untill there is solid foundation, i mean even clan war where pros plays is not so porpular as it is supposed to be. And if you have seen GSL and recognize that the participation of foreigner makes it worth to watch while korean pros cheeses and do everything to win money like blizzard. Well actually no wonder since it is sponsored by blizzard. This whole situation is joke, a really bad one. It seems that everyone wants to see money, nothing else. p.s.: of course there are many passionate players who really love this game. But as all of you know, few people can ruin the castle of efffort with single stupid action. Look at SPL, look at US gourvernment. and sry for my bad english. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:13 GrazerRinge wrote: sry but NO WAY that this is gonna work... why? I doube that blizzard will look for all thousend of this kind of tournaments because they have other issues to solve like how they can feed their greed with more money, but surely not putting any effort for nothing like this because they strictky follow the rule "no money no effort". They rather keep people busy with sc2 while they make real money with wow. Wow, is this really new`??? Since Activision got involved in Blizzard, there is no way that blizzard will care about such event untill there is solid foundation, i mean even clan war where pros plays is not so porpular as it is supposed to be. And if you have seen GSL and recognize that the participation of foreigner makes it worth to watch while korean pros cheeses and do everything to win money like blizzard. Well actually no wonder since it is sponsored by blizzard. This whole situation is joke, a really bad one. It seems that everyone wants to see money, nothing else. p.s.: of course there are many passionate players who really love this game. But as all of you know, few people can ruin the castle of efffort with single stupid action. Look at SPL, look at US gourvernment. and sry for my bad english. Derp the foundation has to start somewhere and if that has to be well then so be it I accept your challenge. Anyway my tourney licence pending, you sir don't speak for blizzard, they are perfectly capable for speaking for themselves, if they don't ok my tournament then so be it, if they do the hooray, it will be the start of something great. | ||
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:39 Fzero wrote: Part of the online license agreement is that you agree that your tournament doesn't have a buy-in as far as I know. source please of it because I don't think so, as the questions I see on the tournament license stuff say a yes or no question about the buy-in. | ||
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pampelmus
Switzerland215 Posts
There is one thing that concerns me. This system is clearly adapted from the poker scene, I suppose. I like that, but there is a fundamental difference between the two games: In poker, luck is a big factor, at least if you only look at it over a short period of time. In SC2, the luck factor is really, really low. If I play as a 2000 point Zerg vs a 3000 point Zerg, I lose every game. If I play as a casual donk in the sunday million on stars, there is still a chance to win it. I would not play in a tourney like this, just because my chances of winnig, if some GOOD SC2 players will play, are ZERO, to get any money back. SC2, in my opinion, is more comparable to chess, skillwise. There (at least in Switzerland), people do the following: - Make 3 tourney instead of one (for example: -1600 Elo, 1600-2000 Elo, 2000+ Elo...) - Make prices for differend skill classes (Best -1600 Elo player, best -1800 Elo player, best -2000 Elo player...) Therefore there would be an incentive to play, even for me as 2k diamond. Otherwise, the money ist just thrown out of the window (at least for me). I like that you use the swiss system, it's great and not used nearly often enough in games and sports outside of chess. | ||
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guyincognito314
Ecuador24 Posts
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:48 guyincognito314 wrote: I definitely support this idea and wish to see this happen. Thanks for all the support guys, I really appreciate it. :D On December 17 2010 18:10 pampelmus wrote: I really like your idea. There is one thing that concerns me. This system is clearly adapted from the poker scene, I suppose. I like that, but there is a fundamental difference between the two games: In poker, luck is a big factor, at least if you only look at it over a short period of time. In SC2, the luck factor is really, really low. If I play as a 2000 point Zerg vs a 3000 point Zerg, I lose every game. If I play as a casual donk in the sunday million on stars, there is still a chance to win it. I would not play in a tourney like this, just because my chances of winnig, if some GOOD SC2 players will play, are ZERO, to get any money back. SC2, in my opinion, is more comparable to chess, skillwise. There (at least in Switzerland), people do the following: - Make 3 tourney instead of one (for example: -1600 Elo, 1600-2000 Elo, 2000+ Elo...) - Make prices for differend skill classes (Best -1600 Elo player, best -1800 Elo player, best -2000 Elo player...) Therefore there would be an incentive to play, even for me as 2k diamond. Otherwise, the money ist just thrown out of the window (at least for me). I like that you use the swiss system, it's great and not used nearly often enough in games and sports outside of chess. But that's why the top half get prizes, (Does anyone read the OP?) So even if you only get top %50 you break even, from there win again and you made some money, etc, etc, etc. Also If i were to divide it up into leagues, I would have to check everyones profile, it would be closed to lower players who wished to support this work or just try their hand in a tourney, on top of which with a tiered prize system (price wise) if I get to many lower tiered players joining and only one or two higher priced buy ins, if the higher priced buy in wins (which he is more likely too) I could very easily go broke from the prize pool being too small to allow his first place finish. And in chess they do have open tournaments all the time. I was actually thinking of later on doing more tournaments that are more money and only open to the top 200 or a semis or greater finish in one of my opens, thus drawing them away from the opens allowing more players to have a reasonable chance at winning. However to establish myself I need to host a few opens first. Also I really love the swiss tournament structure, and I can't figure out why it isn't used more often. | ||
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On December 16 2010 17:42 Markus138 wrote: I hope BLizzard will NEVER allow you (or others doing this) to make the tournament! wanna "buyin" just to play? go play fuckin poker and stop putting this shit into sc2. seriously? it's a 5-10-15$ buy in, first off, it's not much. second off, it'll ALL go the the prize pool, nothing is for him, everything goes to the prize pool. so why would it be a bad thing for someone to make tournaments where you have a chance to actually win quite a big chunk of cash for a pretty small buy in? there's nothing wrong with it and it does great things for the community as it is cheaper for the tournament maker to afford a good prize pool (who seriously wants a 20$ 1st price? really? come on now) so please tell us, what's so wrong with making a tournament where there's a decent amount of money in the prize pool instead of a 1st price that barely makes up for the money you spent on your current internet connection? there's one single problem with making tournaments today: IT IS EXPENSIVE. most tournaments are either payed by the maker which means at max a 100$ prize pool or they're sponsored. sponsored tournaments doesn't happen that often and they WILL be filled with top top players. with buy in tournaments you can make more tournaments which means people who aren't at that top top level but are still very good actually has a chance to get some eSporting on! so do you want to stop eSports or do you want it to grow? | ||
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SeeDLiNg
United States690 Posts
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
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compLte
8 Posts
I thought this post was already removed.... You posted this 2 days after Steven posted his: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176783 Not cool, bro. =/ | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
Via the tournament tracker any hosts that run off with the money; have they submitted enough info for blizz to track them down? im fine with paying money for tournaments type thing and i like to think the hosts are honest, but i dont want to risk it | ||
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
More power to this guy. On a personal level, I feel the payout structure is too gimmicky (I'd rather see 8 places paid in a ro64 and not everyone getting their buy-in back after winning 1 round), but other than that, I'm all for people getting the ball rolling on this idea of having buy-in tournaments. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On December 18 2010 01:37 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote: Haha, I'm 100% for this guy doing it. I don't claim a monopoly on any of my ideas. Personally, I don't even want to be the one to start to organize these tournies (though I am working heavily now to gather the resources/people to start a site!) because it requires so much time/effort. More power to this guy. On a personal level, I feel the payout structure is too gimmicky (I'd rather see 8 places paid in a ro64 and not everyone getting their buy-in back after winning 1 round), but other than that, I'm all for people getting the ball rolling on this idea of having buy-in tournaments. Sorry I didn't give you credit bro (editing OP now) and thanks for being so chill about it. That thread actually inspired me to do this, and for everyone else, I started this thread not to discuss the viability of an entry fee based tournament but to gauge it, to see if I could actually get a decent player base to run something like this. There was so much volatility in your thread, and people arguing which way things should be done I decided to step up and say I am going to do this here you guys are the options, pick one. It was to help plan an actual buy-in not discuss the macro economic impacts of such. I do feel the payouts are a lil cheesy I might redesign it so that if you get like 9-32 you get your entry fee back and then top 8 get bigger prizes. I have worked very hard on the prize distribution systems and I still feel the high finishing are laking but I still wanted lower level players to feel as if they had a chance to win some money. Another solution to this may be to reduce prizes to the top quarter meaning you will have to win an Elimination match to get monies, instead of just being placed there to get your entry fee back. | ||
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Jazzyluv
United States36 Posts
Its also, not top heavy, and not top heavy makes it a more light hearted tourney. I say its a good thing, I do think there should be a very very slight rake, just to organizers for their time. | ||
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daChiBro
United States23 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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