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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 11:44:01
November 26 2010 11:43 GMT
#281
On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 07:22 Patriot.dlk wrote:
On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:
I just fail at counting the number of (P)LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime wannabees in this thread. This is the protoss equivalent of 6 pooling next 100 people who comes across you on the ladder. It helps nothing except mastering on 4 warpgate build.


Why would you post this? A lot of good good posts defended this challenge with structured arguments that you just ignored.

As many others have said it's a great way to practice. You will use gateway units in combat over and over while you have to macro out new ones... Useful skill to have indeed.


Macroing out of 1 base is child's play. Real macro comes in the game after 3rd base (which is the exact point that my macro starts slipping). And, like I said above, these skills are useful after mid diamond and will turn you into (P)LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime-ish players (If that guy knows how to macro, so do I).



I love how ignorant players like this guy are calling players like HongUn bad, even players like IdrA have given HongUn nods. TL makes me shake my head sometimes .
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
November 26 2010 12:00 GMT
#282
On November 26 2010 20:43 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:
On November 26 2010 07:22 Patriot.dlk wrote:
On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:
I just fail at counting the number of (P)LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime wannabees in this thread. This is the protoss equivalent of 6 pooling next 100 people who comes across you on the ladder. It helps nothing except mastering on 4 warpgate build.


Why would you post this? A lot of good good posts defended this challenge with structured arguments that you just ignored.

As many others have said it's a great way to practice. You will use gateway units in combat over and over while you have to macro out new ones... Useful skill to have indeed.


Macroing out of 1 base is child's play. Real macro comes in the game after 3rd base (which is the exact point that my macro starts slipping). And, like I said above, these skills are useful after mid diamond and will turn you into (P)LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime-ish players (If that guy knows how to macro, so do I).



I love how ignorant players like this guy are calling players like HongUn bad, even players like IdrA have given HongUn nods. TL makes me shake my head sometimes .


I didn't call him bad, but I doubt there is any single player in the S-Class pool which is less skilled than him. I don't remember HongUn winning a macro game, at least in PvZ. He's mostly cheese-orientated and I don't think he'll win a game if he can't get enough advantage from cheesing.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 26 2010 15:21 GMT
#283
Reserved for results.
Switched races to join in on the challenge.
About 20 games in and already demoted down from gold. Feeling a little trolled.
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
November 26 2010 16:18 GMT
#284
On November 26 2010 17:47 melquiades wrote:
Fuck this challenge. I am sick unto death of facing the endless stream of dicks who can do nothing but 4-gate. And now this! Encouraging them! It doesn't matter that it's easy to brush off, it's just so fucking boring to see it time and time again, and as a Protoss player I feel embarrassed/cheapened/dirty. I think I'll start my own personal challenge to BM every dick who 4-gates me, and in a unique and startling way with each incarnation.

I hope you all fail


while i have nothing against 4gating, i would like to see this.

pics for proof or youre not cool enough
Huxley
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 16:36:01
November 26 2010 16:34 GMT
#285
4Gate is effective because the vast majority of players only think in terms of 1 huge ball of units vs another huge ball of units. There is plenty of things you can do to "mess" with the 4gater, making him chase harassing units away, parking some units in one corner and base trading when he pushes. There no rule that says you must take his army face-on. Obviously thats all easier-said-than done but fuck it, at least you have have fun trying differing things and you will inject your own variety into the "boring" 4gate.
Pitsot
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation20 Posts
November 26 2010 17:30 GMT
#286
I don't understand how 4 gate could be boring. How does it come that micro-intensive games are boring? And they are not even remotely the same in my case. There are so many ways to do this strategy and each time you get different responses. It's fun actually.

To people who don't like this challenge in particular and 4gp in general: why do you think that everyone should play like you want them to? This is bullshit. It's like if some chess players would claim a King's Gambit (for example) as "no skill needed opening which would teach you nothing" and insult everyone who plays it.
universalwill
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States654 Posts
November 26 2010 17:44 GMT
#287
why would you challenge protoss players to do what they're already doing?

it's like if i challenged my friends to a breathing contest.

the problem with 4gating is if you just do it, you don't get good at the game. i've seen people on ladder who can execute a perfect 4gate, but as soon as i hold it off (which isn't that hard to do), they start playing like they're in bronze league because they never actually learned how to play their race; they only learned now to play a single all-in build and hope for the best.

so have fun being bad at the game i guess.
mvpAKAenvyME
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada179 Posts
November 26 2010 17:49 GMT
#288
So would that game on blue storm where boxer went marine medics in a tvt into wraiths be considered cheese?
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
November 26 2010 17:50 GMT
#289
In honor of the 100 4 gate challange; I will do the 100 2 gate challenge by massing zealots and killing all those 4 gaters before it gets online... thanks!
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
November 26 2010 17:56 GMT
#290
On November 27 2010 02:50 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote:
In honor of the 100 4 gate challange; I will do the 100 2 gate challenge by massing zealots and killing all those 4 gaters before it gets online... thanks!
I got diamond easily on an NA account only doing 2gate in PvP, because i knew for a near fact that every protoss is going to 4gate or colossi.
~
Pitsot
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation20 Posts
November 26 2010 17:59 GMT
#291
On November 27 2010 02:44 universalwill wrote:
why would you challenge protoss players to do what they're already doing?

it's like if i challenged my friends to a breathing contest.

the problem with 4gating is if you just do it, you don't get good at the game. i've seen people on ladder who can execute a perfect 4gate, but as soon as i hold it off (which isn't that hard to do), they start playing like they're in bronze league because they never actually learned how to play their race; they only learned now to play a single all-in build and hope for the best.

so have fun being bad at the game i guess.


Would you please be so kind to answer the following simple questions?

1. What do you mean by "being good at game"?
2. Is is true that 4 gating doesn't include any aspect of the game that relates to "being good at game"?
3. You say it isn't hard to hold off a 4 gate push. Are you sure that you can hold off it versus Huk, Tyler, Genius, Tester, etc.?
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
November 26 2010 18:03 GMT
#292
Too bad 80% of all protoss players prolly already have 100+ games of 4 gating.
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
November 26 2010 18:07 GMT
#293
Dear OP, as a 2500 Zerg player I sincerely thank you for increasing the popularity of the 4-gate. I don't think I've lost to a 4-gate in over a month ;D
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
November 26 2010 18:21 GMT
#294
Great initiative, would be even cooler if you had a good but a little more exotic build in this challenge.

And lol to the people saying it will not work on higher levels or that they can counter it easily, GSL high enough for you?
jaeds
Profile Joined September 2010
United States106 Posts
November 26 2010 18:54 GMT
#295
i like how people still think that 4gate now is the same as 4gate pre-patch. 4kg died that day.

that's not to say that 4gate isn't effective still, but the warpgate delay now changed it too much to be as feared as it was then
Dotemup
Profile Joined September 2010
United States19 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 14:59:22
November 27 2010 23:37 GMT
#296
Doing this, I've been Ranked 1/2 Silver for a while and I figure I might as well gtfo right?


Start of 100 4-Gate Challenge
-----------------------------
Dotemup-Protoss
Silver - 1588 (205 Bonus)
W/L - 154/145


20%
-----------------------------
Dotemup-Protoss
Silver - 1859 (58 Bonus)
W/L - 168/151


30% (24 Games in Promoted)
-----------------------------
Dotemup-Protoss
Gold - 1851 (0 Bonus)
W/L - 177/152

50% (47 Games in Promoted)
-----------------------------
Dotemup-Protoss
Plat - 1802 (0 Bonus)
W/L - 189/160

Replay Pack Link - When Finished >.>

Edit: Added 50% stats!
Side note: I've been watching replays of my games... man I do a lot of dumb things.
And I've been varying the 4 gate slightly each game to see what works where and I've found a lot of weird timings. All for fun though!
haegN
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway547 Posts
November 28 2010 14:19 GMT
#297
Nice Dotemup! :D GOGO Diamond lol
None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 14:26:37
November 28 2010 14:24 GMT
#298
let me make a thread about a 6 pool challenge. yeah if i win i outplayed the guy.

of course i can drone up after and pretend its not an cheese.
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
November 28 2010 14:26 GMT
#299
lol Dotemup, that's awesome
eksert
Profile Joined August 2010
France656 Posts
November 28 2010 14:30 GMT
#300
On November 27 2010 03:07 chadissilent wrote:
Dear OP, as a 2500 Zerg player I sincerely thank you for increasing the popularity of the 4-gate. I don't think I've lost to a 4-gate in over a month ;D


That makes us two
2200 z here:D
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