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On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2010 07:22 Patriot.dlk wrote:On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:I just fail at counting the number of  LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime wannabees in this thread. This is the protoss equivalent of 6 pooling next 100 people who comes across you on the ladder. It helps nothing except mastering on 4 warpgate build. Why would you post this? A lot of good good posts defended this challenge with structured arguments that you just ignored. As many others have said it's a great way to practice. You will use gateway units in combat over and over while you have to macro out new ones... Useful skill to have indeed. Macroing out of 1 base is child's play. Real macro comes in the game after 3rd base (which is the exact point that my macro starts slipping). And, like I said above, these skills are useful after mid diamond and will turn you into LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime-ish players (If that guy knows how to macro, so do I).
I love how ignorant players like this guy are calling players like HongUn bad, even players like IdrA have given HongUn nods. TL makes me shake my head sometimes .
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On November 26 2010 20:43 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:On November 26 2010 07:22 Patriot.dlk wrote:On November 26 2010 07:13 Metalwing wrote:I just fail at counting the number of LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime wannabees in this thread. This is the protoss equivalent of 6 pooling next 100 people who comes across you on the ladder. It helps nothing except mastering on 4 warpgate build. Why would you post this? A lot of good good posts defended this challenge with structured arguments that you just ignored. As many others have said it's a great way to practice. You will use gateway units in combat over and over while you have to macro out new ones... Useful skill to have indeed. Macroing out of 1 base is child's play. Real macro comes in the game after 3rd base (which is the exact point that my macro starts slipping). And, like I said above, these skills are useful after mid diamond and will turn you into LowestSkillS-ClassPlayerPrime-ish players (If that guy knows how to macro, so do I). I love how ignorant players like this guy are calling players like HongUn bad, even players like IdrA have given HongUn nods. TL makes me shake my head sometimes .
I didn't call him bad, but I doubt there is any single player in the S-Class pool which is less skilled than him. I don't remember HongUn winning a macro game, at least in PvZ. He's mostly cheese-orientated and I don't think he'll win a game if he can't get enough advantage from cheesing.
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Reserved for results.
Switched races to join in on the challenge.
About 20 games in and already demoted down from gold. Feeling a little trolled.
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On November 26 2010 17:47 melquiades wrote:Fuck this challenge. I am sick unto death of facing the endless stream of dicks who can do nothing but 4-gate. And now this! Encouraging them! It doesn't matter that it's easy to brush off, it's just so fucking boring to see it time and time again, and as a Protoss player I feel embarrassed/cheapened/dirty. I think I'll start my own personal challenge to BM every dick who 4-gates me, and in a unique and startling way with each incarnation. I hope you all fail 
while i have nothing against 4gating, i would like to see this.
pics for proof or youre not cool enough
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4Gate is effective because the vast majority of players only think in terms of 1 huge ball of units vs another huge ball of units. There is plenty of things you can do to "mess" with the 4gater, making him chase harassing units away, parking some units in one corner and base trading when he pushes. There no rule that says you must take his army face-on. Obviously thats all easier-said-than done but fuck it, at least you have have fun trying differing things and you will inject your own variety into the "boring" 4gate.
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Russian Federation20 Posts
I don't understand how 4 gate could be boring. How does it come that micro-intensive games are boring? And they are not even remotely the same in my case. There are so many ways to do this strategy and each time you get different responses. It's fun actually.
To people who don't like this challenge in particular and 4gp in general: why do you think that everyone should play like you want them to? This is bullshit. It's like if some chess players would claim a King's Gambit (for example) as "no skill needed opening which would teach you nothing" and insult everyone who plays it.
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why would you challenge protoss players to do what they're already doing?
it's like if i challenged my friends to a breathing contest.
the problem with 4gating is if you just do it, you don't get good at the game. i've seen people on ladder who can execute a perfect 4gate, but as soon as i hold it off (which isn't that hard to do), they start playing like they're in bronze league because they never actually learned how to play their race; they only learned now to play a single all-in build and hope for the best.
so have fun being bad at the game i guess.
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So would that game on blue storm where boxer went marine medics in a tvt into wraiths be considered cheese?
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In honor of the 100 4 gate challange; I will do the 100 2 gate challenge by massing zealots and killing all those 4 gaters before it gets online... thanks!
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On November 27 2010 02:50 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote:
In honor of the 100 4 gate challange; I will do the 100 2 gate challenge by massing zealots and killing all those 4 gaters before it gets online... thanks! I got diamond easily on an NA account only doing 2gate in PvP, because i knew for a near fact that every protoss is going to 4gate or colossi.
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Russian Federation20 Posts
On November 27 2010 02:44 universalwill wrote:
why would you challenge protoss players to do what they're already doing?
it's like if i challenged my friends to a breathing contest.
the problem with 4gating is if you just do it, you don't get good at the game. i've seen people on ladder who can execute a perfect 4gate, but as soon as i hold it off (which isn't that hard to do), they start playing like they're in bronze league because they never actually learned how to play their race; they only learned now to play a single all-in build and hope for the best.
so have fun being bad at the game i guess.
Would you please be so kind to answer the following simple questions?
1. What do you mean by "being good at game"?
2. Is is true that 4 gating doesn't include any aspect of the game that relates to "being good at game"?
3. You say it isn't hard to hold off a 4 gate push. Are you sure that you can hold off it versus Huk, Tyler, Genius, Tester, etc.?
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Too bad 80% of all protoss players prolly already have 100+ games of 4 gating.
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Dear OP, as a 2500 Zerg player I sincerely thank you for increasing the popularity of the 4-gate. I don't think I've lost to a 4-gate in over a month ;D
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Great initiative, would be even cooler if you had a good but a little more exotic build in this challenge.
And lol to the people saying it will not work on higher levels or that they can counter it easily, GSL high enough for you?
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i like how people still think that 4gate now is the same as 4gate pre-patch. 4kg died that day.
that's not to say that 4gate isn't effective still, but the warpgate delay now changed it too much to be as feared as it was then
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Doing this, I've been Ranked 1/2 Silver for a while and I figure I might as well gtfo right?
Start of 100 4-Gate Challenge
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Dotemup-Protoss
Silver - 1588 (205 Bonus)
W/L - 154/145
20%
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Dotemup-Protoss
Silver - 1859 (58 Bonus)
W/L - 168/151
30% (24 Games in Promoted)
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Dotemup-Protoss
Gold - 1851 (0 Bonus)
W/L - 177/152
50% (47 Games in Promoted)
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Dotemup-Protoss
Plat - 1802 (0 Bonus)
W/L - 189/160
Replay Pack Link - When Finished >.>
Edit: Added 50% stats!
Side note: I've been watching replays of my games... man I do a lot of dumb things.
And I've been varying the 4 gate slightly each game to see what works where and I've found a lot of weird timings. All for fun though! 
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Norway533 Posts
Nice Dotemup! :D GOGO Diamond lol
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let me make a thread about a 6 pool challenge. yeah if i win i outplayed the guy.
of course i can drone up after and pretend its not an cheese.
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lol Dotemup, that's awesome
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On November 27 2010 03:07 chadissilent wrote:
Dear OP, as a 2500 Zerg player I sincerely thank you for increasing the popularity of the 4-gate. I don't think I've lost to a 4-gate in over a month ;D
That makes us two
2200 z here:D
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