EPTA Korean fan explains why he hates KeSPA - Page 10
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medikk
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On November 14 2010 19:48 SovSov wrote: This is exactly what eSports needs right now. Keep it up, kids, soon the toy will break all together and you'll be left with nothing. We won't be left with nothing. The worst case is better than letting a pirate company act like there are no business laws. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Things should either be done the right way or they shouldn't be done at all. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 14 2010 19:46 Gonodactylus wrote: Not until a certain number of people publicly apologize. Now I get it, you have a PhD in trolling right? Expecting others to apologize when you spout nonsense for like 5 whole pages. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 14 2010 19:46 Gonodactylus wrote: Most of the negative ones have to do with Korean culture and a lack of a player union. People like Boxer and Nada could have formed player unions but instead they did in fact betray progaming, as kespa puts it, as they are now in Blizzard's camp when their entire career they thank to SCBW/Korea. First, Kespa has players like Boxer and Nada to thanks for there being an esports scene, it was their popularity that kept people watching and by not allowing Boxer and Nada to play SC2 Kespa was betraying progaming. Boxer and Nada went against Kespa not progaming, and just because Kespa waves around the rules doesn't equate them to progaming. Secondly, just because there isn't a player union doesn't make it fair for Kespa to impose unfair rules, nor make people who leave kespa's system villains for not following them or organizing unions. Especially since korean culture isn't big on individualism and people standing up for there right to not be exploited (that's just what it looks like to me, i don't really know) Third, you are either a fantastic troll or employed by Kespa. | ||
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SpaceChick
173 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
23. While KeSPA is made because of StarCraft, support for other games are virtually nil. Especially, zero support for WarCraft 3, a game that's only behind StarCraft in terms of popularity Yep, I Hate KeSPa now. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On November 14 2010 19:46 Gonodactylus wrote: If Kespa could run SC2 leagues, SC2 would have been way way bigger. Globally as well as in Korea. Blizzard should have teamed up with Kespa and OGN and MBC, yet it was Blizzard's choice to destroy Kespa and Kespa's fear of being destroyed. You can't blame Kespa for fighting back and fighting dirty. Blizzard wanted to get KeSPA on board for SC2. Hence the negotiations. But KeSPA didn't want Blizzard there. It's clear that KeSPA does not and has never respected the fact that Blizzard makes and owns StarCraft. So they don't want Blizzard involved in any way. So instead of working with Blizzard, they oppose them at every turn. If you believe that KeSPA had nothing to do with the cancellation of the GOM Classic, you're fooling yourself. It was a non-KeSPA-sanctioned tournament, one that got Blizzard's personal approval/money, and it was growing in popularity. So KeSPA killed it. KeSPA declared war first. Blizzard was willing to talk, but KeSPA didn't want that. They didn't want to acknowledge Blizzard's right, and now they're paying the price for it. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 14 2010 20:56 NicolBolas wrote: Blizzard wanted to get KeSPA on board for SC2. Hence the negotiations. But KeSPA didn't want Blizzard there. It's clear that KeSPA does not and has never respected the fact that Blizzard makes and owns StarCraft. So they don't want Blizzard involved in any way. So instead of working with Blizzard, they oppose them at every turn. If you believe that KeSPA had nothing to do with the cancellation of the GOM Classic, you're fooling yourself. It was a non-KeSPA-sanctioned tournament, one that got Blizzard's personal approval/money, and it was growing in popularity. So KeSPA killed it. KeSPA declared war first. Blizzard was willing to talk, but KeSPA didn't want that. They didn't want to acknowledge Blizzard's right, and now they're paying the price for it. There's no prove to all the word that you spoke you are only assuming which party shed first blood and as long as they are no sources to back it up you are merely talking empty talks . | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 14 2010 20:42 SpaceChick wrote: ^ Fantastic troll? Lol, more like amusing troll. He's got me arguing with him, and that's after i think he's just trying to get people angry. | ||
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Cheebah
210 Posts
Quite frankly, since they have such opposite interests, I don't see any way this could resolve without one of them disappearing: Kespa won't agree to pay for something they've had for free all this years, and Blizzard won't let people make money on something they created and own anymore (hence no LAN). I think Kespa should have been the less stubborn one, cause they obviously can't straight up fight Blizzard. But now the damage is done, Blizzard's got a lot better economy, and it's just a matter of time til they give the final push and roll over Kespa's base x) | ||
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
when reading the OP it sounds like KeSPA was big because blizzard did not give a sh** back then but now with SC2 they dont even considering KeSPA to get involved with. its like a fight between a 10 year old girl with pigtails and a hells angel, isnt it? | ||
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
On November 14 2010 15:53 Tianx wrote: When trying to promote a game, hardcore nerds and people who rely on gaming computers to make a living are probably the two groups of people you least want to ruin the computers of. Actually no, it was a Nvidia graphics card issue which caused the graphics cards to fry in conjunction with SC2. Although certainly bad for SC2's press, it wasn't their fault. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Accusing KeSPA of shutting down GOM classic when they let their players play for 4 seasons, really... Said this before, this is a translation of a Korean fan's opinion on the matter, which is based on personal interpretations of the events that have happened, it isn't FACT. Stop making it seem like the guy is pouring out information direct from KeSPA/Gretech. I have a Korean friend too, and he isn't as anti-KeSPA as people make out all the Korean netizens to be. As Milkis said before in the Community News thread, Korean netizens hardly reflect actual Korean fans. It's fun to read and all, but please don't cite them as hard facts to bash KeSPA further. Though they have made their mistakes in the past, they do have put out some of the best quality e-Sports out there, and deserve a little respect/credit for it. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 14 2010 21:27 leecH wrote: wow. i did not knew that KeSPA was this fucked up. but how big is KeSPA anyway? i can hardly imagine they could "fight" blizzard these days. i mean.. activision is huge, they made the game and so on, earn a shitload of money with their other games.. when reading the OP it sounds like KeSPA was big because blizzard did not give a sh** back then but now with SC2 they dont even considering KeSPA to get involved with. its like a fight between a 10 year old girl with pigtails and a hells angel, isnt it? Kespa carries weight in Korea, it's made up of the companies that sponsor the bw teams. There's a good bit of history involved which you should read, but basically at one point Kespa started charging for the rights to broadcast at which point this feud started. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On November 14 2010 20:05 Talin wrote: To be honest, it's better to go back to point 0 than depend on bully organizations like KeSPA to drive e-sports forward. Things should either be done the right way or they shouldn't be done at all. Especially when Selith translation pointed out that KeSPA doesn't support any e-sport except BW. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On November 14 2010 21:43 AyJay wrote: Especially when Selith translation pointed out that KeSPA doesn't support any e-sport except BW. Heard of the Sudden Attack Proleague? Or Kart Rider? Tekken? Dungeon Fighter? Find it hard to believe that you have not seen leagues/competitions of those games being advertised among other games if you watch the Proleague streams... | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 14 2010 21:38 IntoTheEmo wrote: As Milkis said before in the Community News thread, Korean netizens hardly reflect actual Korean fans. It's fun to read and all, but please don't cite them as hard facts to bash KeSPA further. Though they have made their mistakes in the past, they do have put out some of the best quality e-Sports out there, and deserve a little respect/credit for it. "Netizens" aren't "actual" fans? It doesn't matter what a casual, less informed fan thinks and this appears to be general opinion among fans online, you know the ones who actually follow this stuff. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On November 14 2010 20:58 Sawamura wrote: There's no prove to all the word that you spoke you are only assuming which party shed first blood and as long as they are no sources to back it up you are merely talking empty talks . Blizzard did try to partner with KeSPA first, for a good long three years. Instead they got spit at until they found a better partner. As for the GOMTV Classic issue again, I don't know if it's 100% true but heres a GOM employee, the very Junkka whom I thank for keeping in touch with the community, stating his stance on what happened. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2010 01:29 JunkkaGom wrote: Ok now I see where all the misunderstanding is coming from. Gretech is GOMTV. GOM stands for Gretech Online Media. We tried to contribute by making a tournament called GOMTV Classic(and it was first tournament anyone in Korea tried to broadcast to the rest of the world) but KESPA comes inand says we do not have the right to make tournaments when they don;t even pay copyright to Blizzard. They threaten all pro players that they will lose their license i they play in GOM Classic and manages to shut down GOM classic. Now we run GSL which we also send out English broadcast. And you say we have contriubted nothing? well maybe we would have done more if KESPA really did care about esports. I can give credit to OGN and MBC but not Kespa. KESPA is an organization made of representives from sponsors not gaming fans. The esports todays exists because of the players and fans who support it. All Kespa has been doing is abuse their power to earn money. They forced OGN and MBC to pay 1500million KRW to broacast SC. Now they still won't pay Blizzard its copyright and offers 300 million to have all the right to SC tournaments and broadcasting. No wonder most Korean SC fans including myself hate KESPA. I was absolutely outraged when I read the article about what Kespa did to NaDa after he joined SC2. NaDa probably contributed to esports 1000times more than Kespa and that's how they treat him. I'm not saying Gretech is right and Kespa is wrong because I work for GOM. There is no right and wrong in reality. But I'd rather support GOM which tries to care for global fans even though it's small and underfunded rather than Kespa which doesn't give a damn about global fans cuz most sponsors don't see any merit in it. I really wish situation hadn't come to this, causing disturbance to fans all over the world, but there seems little choice left now. Sadly, either not many people seemed to believe it as KeSPA reports say the opposite or they just missed the post, but it's a source, and I certainly believe him. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 14 2010 21:38 IntoTheEmo wrote: Wow, every post in this thread keeps making bigger and bigger assumptions of evil stuff that KeSPA has done. And most of this has been discussed before, are people too busy watching GSL to follow what has been said around the forums? Accusing KeSPA of shutting down GOM classic when they let their players play for 4 seasons, really.... Well it looks like you haven't followed it either, there were 3 seasons not 4, unless you count the invitational(which clearly wasn't a season). And it's been said before that all 7 teams backed off after GOM didn't pay kespa for broadcasting reasons. When lilsusie asked about season 4 she was told that Blizzard was negotiating with Kespa about it, implying that Kespa was somehow involved with the processes and not just the teams deciding their players couldn't manage the busy schedules. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101934¤tpage=20 (half way down page) | ||
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