EPTA Korean fan explains why he hates KeSPA - Page 8
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Buffy
Sweden665 Posts
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:27 Zerste wrote: I enjoy that part particularly considering how KESPA was the one telling players they're not allowed to play in GOM's Classic. That again is factually incorrect and probably irrelevant even if it were true. People outside the SC BW section have no idea at all what Kepsa is and what they have actually done. Kespa is just losing to Blizzard propaganda at this point. They are going to lose even if they win in court. | ||
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Gamjadori
Japan131 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:18 Gonodactylus wrote: If I go into contract with a credit company, I go into contract with a credit company. I don't suddenly also have a contract with Blizzard that I can't understand and didn't agree to. Except that it says "Battle.net registration required" on the back of the SC2 box, hence you're made aware of the fact that you have to use battle.net before purchase, which in turn means you are made aware of the fact that you have to agree to the EULA as it's part of Battle.net before purchase. I've yet to see any product or service which require you to enter any form of contract or agreement where you're allowed to use the product/service without agreeing to the terms first. The EULA offers you the same two options as any other contract; accept or decline. You're free to decline the EULA and not play the game, I don't see how that extortion in any shape or form when you're can just return the game. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:26 Gonodactylus wrote: If there's 4/5 people over and over making false analogies, not understanding IP rights, and saying that Kespa enslaves progamers and other crazy stuff, I can't argue against all that just by sheer size of volume. I have to concede because this is not a fair debate. I can't win no matter how right I am. Enjoy the victory. Also enjoy esports where players have no rights whatsoever. Well that was a gracefully way of admitting defeat with out compromising your opinion that your opinions are right and regardless of how you argue for them other people are wrong and idiots for not understanding your arguments. You impressed me! | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:30 Gonodactylus wrote: That again is factually incorrect and probably irrelevant even if it were true. People outside the SC BW section have no idea at all what Kepsa is and what they have actually done. Kespa is just losing to Blizzard propaganda at this point. They are going to lose even if they win in court. Seems like all the assumptions that were made in the BW threads months ago are resurfacing again. Then again, this is the first time (or so I believe) that this topic has been specifically placed in the SC2 forum. It's like those handful of pro-Blizzard guys showing up in the BW forums and being shut down by the masses of BW fans in that forum section, except in reverse for you. Would suggest having people read up on the old posts before assuming stuff like that; however I am noticing quite a few names from the past discussions. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:30 Gonodactylus wrote: That again is factually incorrect and probably irrelevant even if it were true. People outside the SC BW section have no idea at all what Kepsa is and what they have actually done. Kespa is just losing to Blizzard propaganda at this point. They are going to lose even if they win in court. I'm pretty sure that people in BW section have no idea what KeSPA is except for veterans and people who actually live in Korea. | ||
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jHERO
China167 Posts
On November 14 2010 14:46 LG)Sabbath wrote: isn't this actually a good argument though? um no, if you want to compare SC to SOCCER, then BLIZZARD would have constructed the stadium, and maintains everything in the stadium, and if some tourny uses blizzard's stadium x-days then they would obviously have to pay | ||
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:30 Gonodactylus wrote: That again is factually incorrect and probably irrelevant even if it were true. People outside the SC BW section have no idea at all what Kepsa is and what they have actually done. Kespa is just losing to Blizzard propaganda at this point. They are going to lose even if they win in court. Atleast we know how to spell it. Also, you have pretty much done every single thing you could have done to turn people against you. You have patronized pretty much everyone who don't agree with you, based on that you supposedly have a PhD. You have yet to point to a source backing your claims. And to top it off you martyr yourself. Way to represent the SC BW section. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On November 14 2010 17:13 Gonodactylus wrote: Which means every actual customer, no matter what their expertize on IP law is... No one reads them. No one agrees to them. This isn't even disputed so don't try it. There's actual research done on how often these things get read. You only have your lawyers read them if you are an organization/corporation that deals with Blizzard. I never went into contract with Blizzard. I had no say in whatever they put in the EULA and I didn't read it. I bought a box with a disc for both SC and SC2. I installed it and as everyone I didn't spend 5 hours reading and translating that wall of text. I never went into any contract with Blizzard. I don't know how you can claim I did, even though I would lose claiming this in US court. Of course I would win anywhere in the EU, which is where I am located. You hit 'I Agree' to the terms and conditions just to play. Whether or not you read it does not matter. It was a contract presented to you, with clear terms and conditions, and the ability for you to accept or deny those terms. Whatever f'd up laws they have in EU I could care less about. To any rational, logical person, you are in the wrong. On November 14 2010 17:13 Gonodactylus wrote: If there's 4/5 people over and over making false analogies, not understanding IP rights, and saying that Kespa enslaves progamers and other crazy stuff, I can't argue against all that just by sheer size of volume. I have to concede because this is not a fair debate. I can't win no matter how right I am. Enjoy the victory. Also enjoy esports where players have no rights whatsoever. Actually it's with Kespa where players have no rights. GOM/Blizzard do not have any power-hungry rules dictating who can play what, when they can play it, when they can fucking pause or say ingame, etc. The most elegant proof: 1) What happens if a current Brood War player switches to play SC2 now? He is banned from proleague, loses his license and if you're as unlucky as Nada, stats are wiped and reputation is attacked. 2) What would happen if an SC2 player were to swap to Brood War? Yeah, exactly. Peace. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: So you DO mean KeSPA... instead of one that is formed by the corporation that made the game and controls every aspect of it? Either way, the title reads "A Korean fan explains why he hates KeSPA", thus it is a personal opinion based on one's interpretation of events~ Also, to many people, death of KeSPA IS death of BW... and all things resulting from it... PPS: The lawsuit predictions and analogies need to stop, one could write a book about it with all the misinformed posts since this became a hot topic a few months ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=163343 Personally, I have this depressing conspiracy theory, that this bullshit IP rights fiasco is prolonging the life of professional BW and KeSPA would otherwise actually switch all ProLeague teams and players to SC2 to try to stop decreasing TV viewer numbers. In my theory, that is the reason Blizzard doesn't have LAN in SC2, in case they need to cut off KeSPA running their own tournaments. | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:42 Blondinbengt wrote: Atleast we know how to spell it. Also, you have pretty much done every single thing you could have done to turn people against you. You have patronized pretty much everyone who don't agree with you, based on that you supposedly have a PhD. You have yet to point to a source backing your claims. And to top it off you martyr yourself. Way to represent the SC BW section. Thank you for acting like an ally, then kicking me in the head when I am already down and spitting on me before you leave. I never really said I have a PhD anyway. Read more carefully. I am no longer giving sources. Gomtv Classic, Second Life EULA cases, nah. Anyway, I wasn't even supposed to give sources as people claimed they knew stuff better than me already. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
Some kind of KeSPA Internet agent or what the fuck? How can you post 22 completely wrong and made up facts? Like what the fuck, you are just telling us EULAs do not matter AT ALL? Jesus ridiculous Christ... | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On November 14 2010 17:13 Gonodactylus wrote: I never went into contract with Blizzard. I had no say in whatever they put in the EULA and I didn't read it. I bought a box with a disc for both SC and SC2. I installed it and as everyone I didn't spend 5 hours reading and translating that wall of text. I never went into any contract with Blizzard. I don't know how you can claim I did, even though I would lose claiming this in US court. Of course I would win anywhere in the EU, which is where I am located. You either have downs or are delusional to believe you didn't enter a contract when you clicked "I ACCEPT"? It doesn't matter what you think and NO you wouldn't win in court if blizzard decided to cancel your access multi-player for whatever reason they come up with. Your failure to read and click "I ACCEPT" is all they need to decide that. This works in Europe also. It's painful to even read your other posts. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:50 Gonodactylus wrote: Thank you for acting like an ally, then kicking me in the head when I am already down and spitting on me before you leave. I never really said I have a PhD anyway. Read more carefully. I am no longer giving sources. Gomtv Classic, Second Life EULA cases, nah. Anyway, I wasn't even supposed to give sources as people claimed they knew stuff better than me already. "How much more simple has someone with a PhD in IP has to put it to this undergrad? (lol)" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895¤tpage=5#82 ???? | ||
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:50 Gonodactylus wrote: Thank you for acting like an ally, then kicking me in the head when I am already down and spitting on me before you leave. I never really said I have a PhD anyway. Read more carefully. I am no longer giving sources. Gomtv Classic, Second Life EULA cases, nah. Anyway, I wasn't even supposed to give sources as people claimed they knew stuff better than me already. What are you talking about, where did I act like an ''ally''? And to be fair, you are the one who have been kicking and spitting on others, then you martyr yourself and now you are complaining about me calling you on it, that's pretty weak. On November 14 2010 16:53 Gonodactylus wrote: How much more simple has someone with a PhD in IP has to put it to this undergrad? (lol) I would say that's saying you have a PhD. To try and get things back on topic, are there any similar posts by korean fans that lists critism towards Blizzard/Gomtv instead? Would be very interesting to read something from the opposite side of the issue. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On November 14 2010 18:09 TheRabidDeer wrote: PS: I can read the EULA without a law degree and understand it just fine. I highly doubt you have a PhD in it. I'm a High School student and understood everything in it =s | ||
Selith
United States238 Posts
On November 14 2010 19:08 Blondinbengt wrote: I would say that's saying you have a PhD. To try and get things back on topic, are there any similar posts by korean fans that lists critism towards Blizzard/Gomtv instead? Would be very interesting to read something from the opposite side of the issue. No, there isn't such a list. There just aren't much to use against Blizzard/Gretech compared to KeSPA. Gretech hasn't done much in BW since the GomTV Classic fiasco, and Blizzard really didn't do anything other than to trying to talk to KeSPA. Any complaints that exist are the same thing KeSPA / DES has been saying, that: 1) Blizzard is too greedy and unreasonable. 2) Blizzard wants to kill SC BW. 3) Gretech is too greedy and unreasonable. | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
I have been called an idiot, down syndrome and a whole list of other things and I never blinked. I coolly tried to argue my point, which I still believe is valid and backed up by court cases despite people now trying to ridicule it. And now suddenly I am the bad guy? And I only said I am as much a PhD as he is a law undergrad law student. I don't believe him, he doesn't believe me. That's all. Still, it seems he didn't read the books I did. Nur did he know about the cases. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
blizzard is right why? its copyrighted and you cant make money using a copy righted material without consent. simple. | ||
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