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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
October 24 2010 03:18 GMT
#1
I noticed that there has been a lot of posts recently, of people posting their opinions on IP rights. I'm posting this in hopes to remind everyone of their roots.

It does not matter who you support. You can support Blizzard during this entire endeavor, you can support KeSPA simply because you want more Proleague. You can despise Blizzard for being a bit overprotective with their rights to the point of shutting down the BW scene, while you can call it "just desserts" for KeSPA for all of their incompetencies and fouls they've committed.

Please stop talking. Just wait for the results of the trial.

The point is this. In the end, we're all just fans. Realizing this is rather important, because I think a lot of this is lost as the SC2 scene and the SC scene is getting more and more polarized. I don't understand why we can't just realize that, we are, all in the end, fans of the e-Sports, regardless of what games our favorite players are playing.

There is one thing I would like to ask to the Starcraft 2 fans. Please understand where we, the Brood War fans, come from. All we want, in the very end is more Proleague and Starleague. We simply wish to have more of what we have had for ages. And yes, because we are fans, we may go a bit too far sometimes -- at times, condemning Blizzard, or to even disregarding Blizzard's claim to their rights. We may be cursing Gretech. And we may look like we're supporting KeSPA, who has, yes, committed their shares of crimes. Please be understanding of this fact, and please, stop trolling. It gets old. It gets me really really annoyed to see that one Starcraft 2 fan going into a BW related topic, and wishing the downfall of Brood War. To some of us, supporting Blizzard means that you want the death of Brood War. Things like this further polarize the fanbase, which is definitely, not the best thing that can happen for e-Sports.

I want to ask the BW fans the same thing. Please understand why you're so vehement in this, and just realize, in the end, you're in it simply because you want more Brood War. Honestly, we don't know enough about the insider details to make a proper judgment on who to condemn completely. There's no need to "Boycott SC2" or hate on Blizzard, Gretech for this. No one is clean in this matter, and honestly, the more you engage in this IP rights discussion, the more polarized the community will be between BW and SC2.

All we want, in the end, is for BW to go as far as it can -- as long as the players still want to play BW, wishing for the demise for the scene for whatever reason is going to hurt the players, especially if you only want BW to die so they move onto SC2.

Support the players. Don't support or hate the organizations behind this. In the end, taking sides in the debate isn't going to do any good, and all the amounts of internet lawyering is just going to get people angry and attract more trolls. Remember that, in the end, we are all just fans of an addicting videogame, and there's no reason to try and bite each other's head off just because of this entire overdrawn retarded negotiations.

let's keep things in perspective guys

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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
October 24 2010 03:22 GMT
#2
amen, 5/5

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Kashmir
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand178 Posts
October 24 2010 03:23 GMT
#3
Interesting post, thanks Milkis.
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Vykenos
Profile Joined September 2009
United States56 Posts
October 24 2010 03:25 GMT
#4
Great, great point. I only played SC in its early years and really just for the single player. I will never play SC:BW multiplayer but I sure as shit enjoy watching it. I also really love me some SC2 and when it comes down to it if I can have both then my world is in a better place.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 24 2010 03:25 GMT
#5
Well said!

Also, you are awesome =)
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
October 24 2010 03:29 GMT
#6
All in all I'm just another frustrated fan.

Thanks a lot for the post, Milkis.
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zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
October 24 2010 03:32 GMT
#7
Amen
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
October 24 2010 03:43 GMT
#8
Well said milkis.

I generally avoid posting in threads like that, because I know it's full of shit posting. But sometimes I just get so pissed at some of the post that I just need to respond, only fueling the flames. Well I've been more polite at my responses lately though
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Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
October 24 2010 04:57 GMT
#9
There's a good reason why you have that quality poster star!
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integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3161 Posts
October 24 2010 05:17 GMT
#10
nice read, thanks
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 24 2010 05:21 GMT
#11
I just remember back in the day when KESPA was the big bad monster to BW fans everywhere. How much the scene has changed in a short time.

5/5 on the thread though. The BW > SC2 and SC2 > BW trolling really needs to end.
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Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 24 2010 05:24 GMT
#12
Great post, I definitely agree. Many fans, including me have raged so hard about this. Nice to read such a neutral type post
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
October 24 2010 05:36 GMT
#13
I agree. Two organizations just trying to make a (dubiously) honest buck
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
October 24 2010 05:55 GMT
#14
Well written Milkis. Sums things up beautifully.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 07:09:02
October 24 2010 07:07 GMT
#15
Agreed. People really need to stop demonizing the two companies. Both sides had screwups, and screaming about who's right and who's wrong isn't going to help anything.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 07:16:21
October 24 2010 07:15 GMT
#16
100% agree, as somebody still really into BW but also a huge sc2 fan, it angers me to see people so unreasonable on both sides of the issue.
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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
October 24 2010 07:25 GMT
#17
They're both great games, and I wish they could co-exist. SC2 fans should not be retaliatory in worry that BW might still post a threat to SC2's popularity, and just hope for the best for the BW fans, because it really is a great game. SC2 is going no where, that is for certain, so let's hope that BW won't be going anywhere for a while, too.
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cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
October 24 2010 07:27 GMT
#18
I fully agree with your post, Milkis. That was very well-written; no one else could have summed up our feelings on this better. Let's all just get along, shall we?

BW forever. And SC2 too (but not at the expense of another).
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0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
October 24 2010 07:32 GMT
#19
Great post. Sucks to see bw leave, I wish it would stay along with sc2, but that seems unlikely. BW still felt fresh after so long, died too young imo.

Imagine what would happen if bw was still being played professionally world wide 50 years from now. I'm not saying it will, but think of the caliber of play and different styles we would have then ^_^
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KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
October 24 2010 08:14 GMT
#20
nicely said, you're totally right
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