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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
October 24 2010 15:45 GMT
#21
Completely agree. As a fan of both games and pro leagues it ticks me off when one side bashes the other wishing it to die. BOTH sides do this, and it's really splitting the community. SC2 elitists need to stop dissing BW and BW elitists need to stop dissing SC2. They're both fantastic games and if one is not your cup of tea, respect the fact that for others it is.

As always, thanks for all your contributions Milkis.
Taengoo ♥
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
October 24 2010 15:49 GMT
#22
finally someone says what i've had in mind.

thank you milkis

ilu <3
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 24 2010 16:00 GMT
#23
cool, good points. but i still get enraged every time i read a news about something new threatening the bw scene

so sad.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:05:18
October 24 2010 16:58 GMT
#24
Finally a cool, level-headed post. Your post gives me hope in humanity milkis
Sup.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9493 Posts
October 24 2010 18:15 GMT
#25
You're becoming my new favorite person on teamliquid, Milkis.

Nice post.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
October 24 2010 18:20 GMT
#26
I'm with the same attitude. It's surprising that Blizzard / Gom can be seen as the oppressor here, and that it's easier to side with Kespa which has a history of being disliked. This was my attitude until Blizzard became more open just recently on the results of the talks and their attitude towards the concept of competitive sc1 in Korea. I'm just waiting to see now and hope for a fair outcome.
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 24 2010 18:32 GMT
#27
Overall I'd agree with the post if it didn't make feel entirely powerless and as if I'm just letting the thing I love get utterly destroyed. The SC1 pro-scene is something wonderfully unique that I bet most didn't even appreciate until it was threatened with being shut down.
That's how I justify writing posts that defend KeSPA and Proleague. Seems silly in retrospect, but I'm certain I'll do so again and again, because love IS silly. I try to avoid bashing as much as possible and focus my energy on PL material.

Maybe what I'm doing is bad for E-sports and SC2-s future, but the way SC2 is turning out to be and the way Blizzard seems to take the game, I'm not even sure whether I want it to succeed. Especially when the players of my beloved sport are forced into something I despise.

I just wish I could do more.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 24 2010 18:36 GMT
#28
You're too cool-headed for a young Korean, I am having my doubts. =P
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DragonDefonce
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States790 Posts
October 24 2010 19:21 GMT
#29
idk.... people will get emotional when something they loved for so long is in jeopardy of just completely vanishing, and I think its not a bad idea to have a thread or to to just vent and scream about it. Might even go as far as to say its healthy.

Of course, when it gets to a point where every other thread is talking about it, then it gets ridiculous. Maybe there should be a sticky where people can go and say whatever they think about IP rights and this whole incident. I mean sometimes I feel better when I write something out, even though no one else will read it.
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
October 24 2010 19:47 GMT
#30
Please Spotlight this thread. TeamLiquid is one of the best forums I have ever visited, and I don't wan it to lose its sanity.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
ArbAttack
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada198 Posts
October 28 2010 14:36 GMT
#31
On October 24 2010 12:18 Milkis wrote:
I don't understand why we can't just realize that, we are, all in the end, fans of the e-Sports, regardless of what games our favorite players are playing.


Wrong. Not surprised you don't understand.

I am a die-hard BW fan who could never get into SC2 even if all of the BW progamers have moved onto it. It's just a terrible game both to watch and play.

It's not about the players, or "E-Sports" for that matter. It's always been about Broodwar.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
October 28 2010 14:45 GMT
#32
5/5

Proleague has begun at least its a consolation for BW fans.

Lets see what the trial decision is
Brood War is forever
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 28 2010 19:41 GMT
#33
very good post

a few weeks ago i was thinking about making a post on this very exact subject/reality with a more of a 'you guys are fucking idiots' tone, but ultimately i realized it was futile and not worth my time

ty
why so 진지해?
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-29 00:37:05
October 29 2010 00:21 GMT
#34
On October 24 2010 14:21 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I just remember back in the day when KESPA was the big bad monster to BW fans everywhere. How much the scene has changed in a short time.

5/5 on the thread though. The BW > SC2 and SC2 > BW trolling really needs to end.

Wait what ? What do you mean by that ? Because Kespa is still the bad monster here... Even though Blizzard should've done the ip right things long before their sc2's release (and they did multiple times afaik, just that they always found and arrangement i think), they have the right to do what they own.

For those who aren't clear about what i'm saying : I've loved the sc/bw scene since it's early stage. Remember KBK ? That's where i came from. If you don't know this era just don't bother reading it.
Kespa did so many stupid things, except maybe on the early stage but it has gotten worse since then.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5534 Posts
November 01 2010 14:41 GMT
#35
On October 29 2010 09:21 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:21 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I just remember back in the day when KESPA was the big bad monster to BW fans everywhere. How much the scene has changed in a short time.

5/5 on the thread though. The BW > SC2 and SC2 > BW trolling really needs to end.

Wait what ? What do you mean by that ? Because Kespa is still the bad monster here... Even though Blizzard should've done the ip right things long before their sc2's release (and they did multiple times afaik, just that they always found and arrangement i think), they have the right to do what they own.

For those who aren't clear about what i'm saying : I've loved the sc/bw scene since it's early stage. Remember KBK ? That's where i came from. If you don't know this era just don't bother reading it.
Kespa did so many stupid things, except maybe on the early stage but it has gotten worse since then.


I don't think you got the point of this thread. You're stiring up another flame war with this post. ;;
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
November 01 2010 15:04 GMT
#36
I think you should just take the kennigit approach and lock the thread when people cant behave cos theres nothing constructive to be discussed anyways.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 02 2010 12:54 GMT
#37
Hi and thanks for the post. You're right in many things, but... I don't feel like buying or playing SC2. I don't think it has anything new. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I think Blizzard with their recent actions only made a final impact on a decision not to play SC2, because it's soething unfair they do, and I don't want to support such a company. (Anyone ready to flame, please think, is it really good of them? To backstab community that gave them their popularity in strategies? They might be right in lawyeristic terms, but i don't speak about it, i speak only about the COMMON sense and moral. So if you don't want to say that what they do is good of them - please don't write anything)

I just forgot that SC2 existed and played BroodWar until they came with all this legal actions, to be honest. It doesn't mean I was in any way hating SC2 or Blizzard. I simply didn't care that they existed, although I respect the developers and managers that were there when SC was made (most of them are not in Blizz anymore).

I just get angry at their actions. They are not right. And I can not help feeling that I dislike SC2 and all stuff they make because of this. We can't help our feelings, you know. So, I wasn't going to play sc2, but i had possibility to change my opinion, but now i don't feel it ever happens. =\

I'm not going to a war on anyone or like that, i simply want to point the people who put the blind eye on Blizz actions and say "we support them they're cool", that, in some aspect, they're wrong. In some important aspect.

And I have a perfect right to boycott SC2, don't I? That's also (vice versa) not a reason to bite MY head and go to a war on me. But, you know, I don't want to boycott or anything like that. I'd prefer to forget about existence of 2nd starcraft, only think that doesn't let me so, is Blizzard's actions. But I hope I will be able to forget about them and get more perfect Starcraft games such as was Killer vs Mind last match (and especially as was Jaedong vs Flash @ tau cross on WCG!!!! :O )

I really hope it goes this way!

And people who bought sc2, will just play it and have fun.

And about way to support the players - i asked you in that thread about suing: answer me please if you can )))
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 02 2010 12:57 GMT
#38
LOL Milkis... sorry me i am stupid... It was not you who linked me here. dammit >_<'''

So basically what I've been saying:
BTW, how can we really make our "support" go to be seen really by the players? I'd like to. For example to support Jaedong and tell him that he rocks and must become a Bonjwa. :D Please answer in comments to your post that you linked here )))
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 02 2010 21:35 GMT
#39
beautifully said

jaedong imba
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