EPTI didn't know all the details about Kespa, so I always tried to stay neutral in this conflict, but now I'm starting to think that Kespa is the bad guy here, since they are only interested in profits and yet they claim to be a "non-profit" organization.
A Korean fan explains why he hates KeSPA - Page 12
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thehitman
1105 Posts
I didn't know all the details about Kespa, so I always tried to stay neutral in this conflict, but now I'm starting to think that Kespa is the bad guy here, since they are only interested in profits and yet they claim to be a "non-profit" organization. | ||
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dew
United States59 Posts
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
On November 15 2010 00:07 AyJay wrote: And then there is question why KeSPA should have all rights to Blizzard games. It doesn't. It just has the rights to the players. How the hell does Kespa claim to have the rights to Blizzard games? | ||
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
On November 15 2010 00:29 Gonodactylus wrote: It doesn't. It just has the rights to the players. How the hell does Kespa claim to have the rights to Blizzard games? And this is why Kespa is in the wrong. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On November 15 2010 00:29 Gonodactylus wrote: It doesn't. It just has the rights to the players. How the hell does Kespa claim to have the rights to Blizzard games? Where have you been all this time? KeSPA says that Starcraft became so popular so that means it's public property not Blizzards and since they own all rights to their players they think BW belongs to them including broadcasting rights. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
a Korean netizen, first of all, korean netizens have reputation for being OBLIVIOUS and posting alot of hate, really fast (see Sangho retirement from sc bw...) Second of all, there is no such thing as black and white in this case, why? Because every side has each side of the story, jeesus... | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
1) Kespa is dying 2) MBC/OGN/Etc. are going to Gretech for approval now, not Kespa 3) Kespa is holding players hostage from SC2 or Blizzard and forcing them to play BW ?? | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
Kespa never claims people with their own players need their rights to broadcast SC BW. Kespa only claims they don't need Blizzard's permission. They claim they only need to pay the standard royalties and want to go into a deal where not only the IP rights of Blizzard and OGN/MBC are protected, but also that of the players/teams/kespa themselves. | ||
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Esper[mb]
United States88 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:02 Iplaythings wrote: God Tl netizens is a funny thing, but I guess this is the sc2 forum after all... a Korean netizen, first of all, korean netizens have reputation for being OBLIVIOUS and posting alot of hate, really fast (see Sangho retirement from sc bw...) Second of all, there is no such thing as black and white in this case, why? Because every side has each side of the story, jeesus... Right, and the enlightened danish netizens surely know more about the subject. Furthermore, having such reputation, assuming that's even the case, doesn't mean much as it doesn't mean the reputation reflects reality. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:03 Gonodactylus wrote: Kespa is wrong because they can negotiate a good deal for the players? So confused. Blizzard supporters have it so backwards. Kespa never claims people with their own players need their rights to broadcast SC BW. Kespa only claims they don't need Blizzard's permission. They claim they only need to pay the standard royalties and want to go into a deal where not only the IP rights of Blizzard and OGN/MBC are protected, but also that of the players/teams/kespa themselves. Once again this Is why they are wrong, they do need blizzards permission. The players are irrelevant to this. Yes the players should be treated well and everything but it is irrelevant to Blizzard owning Starcraft.It is a fact that you cannot get past. Maybe you would have a point in a world where there had to be a professional starcraft bw/2 scene but there doesn't have to be. | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
So wait, you are saying you rather have amateur esports where Blizzard can abuse it than actual esports Blizzard can't abuse. Let's not forget that Blizzard by far by far made the most money off of SC BW esports. Blizzard isn't going to make anymore money off of SC BW esports with SC2 out. And now they do this. Remember them clapping happily in the audience a long time ago? Everyone still supporting Blizzard should be deeply deeply ashamed. People should listen to all SuperDanialMan's podcasts. He did the most for foreigners in Korea then everyone ever did. And he knows all people involved personally. Blizzard is throwing huge money at Gomtv who are running league in Korea. Blizzard could just have handed it to OGN/MBC/Kespa and it would have been better and bigger. Then Blizzard could have dumped the money to make the same league as GSL they have right now in Europe and NA. That would have been huge. But they don't. Blizzard thinks esports in NA and EU aren't profitable. That's why they throw all their money at Gomtv and destroying Kespa. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Kespa is "non-profit" in name only as the companies behind are very much for profit. | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:25 Gonodactylus wrote: That's the big issue. Kespa owns the players because they invest and 'create' them. No. It costs a huge amount of money. If Blizzard owns the players for free then that's terrible for the players. You say the players should be 'treated well and all' but you want them to be slaves of Blizzard's marketing engine. At least with Kespa/the teams players get an actual deal. Blizzard doesn't claim to own the players, but it does own the game. [quote[So wait, you are saying you rather have amateur esports where Blizzard can abuse it than actual esports Blizzard can't abuse.[/quote] What is Blizzard abusing? Let's not forget that Blizzard by far by far made the most money off of SC BW esports. Blizzard isn't going to make anymore money off of SC BW esports with SC2 out. And now they do this. Remember them clapping happily in the audience a long time ago? What? Companies make money? Blizzard didn't make SC just out of the goodness of its heart? Things have changed. When Blizzard made SCBW, they would never have thought it would have become some sort of sport. Now they know better and they want to make sure they retain control over their property, which it is. | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:28 FrostOtter wrote: No. Yes. Blizzard doesn't claim to own the players, but it does own the game. They don't own the players as humans but they do as esports players. Everything they create it theirs. That's why they attack Kespa because Kespa claims players have IP rights. What is Blizzard abusing? Esports. What? Companies make money? Blizzard didn't make SC just out of the goodness of its heart? We aren't talking about the game. We are talking about esports. Blizzard didn't make esports. Blizzard benefited huge out of what third parties did for them. And now they are suing the exact same people. | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
Go to the SDM thread for more info. SDM also agrees lack of professionalism is the cause of the Werra scandal. Have seen it him repeat several times. It's Blizzard's fault SC2 in Korea lacks professionalism. People here say it's Kespa paid for propaganda. | ||
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Danze
Australia219 Posts
On November 14 2010 14:48 doothegee wrote: Koreans love to hate on anything that is Korean (e.g. Kespa) and love to worship anything that's foreign (Blizzard). I wouldn't be too surprised by any of this. /facepalm | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:32 Gonodactylus wrote: We aren't talking about the game. We are talking about esports. Blizzard didn't make esports. Blizzard benefited huge out of what third parties did for them. And now they are suing the exact same people. Tough. To think that this whole incident might even force everyone to acknowledge that SC has an international community and isn't limited to one place. Blizzard obviously has a lot of interest in esports, and I think they are a lot more reasonable than people give them credit for. | ||
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