EPTA Korean fan explains why he hates KeSPA - Page 13
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:37 Gonodactylus wrote: What has Blizzard done for esports outside of Gom? MLG, IEM, ESL? | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On November 14 2010 23:27 cerebralz wrote: Does anyone else see the raw emotion of the players in the GSL? As a spectator, it trumps by far anything i've ever seen in proleague. In every round you have jubilation of winning and the sting of loss evident on screen without even understanding Korean. I believe this is because the players can really be who they are, and not puppets of a old boy's corporation. This is complete and utter garbage. It's so sad to read ignorant statements like this on teamliquid.net of all places. There have been so many amazing moments in the history of the proleague and we have people like this just dismissing it all because of their bias. No jubilation here, right? | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
Proof? Why do they have such a small prize pool if Blizzard threw so much money at them? Gomtv got like millions from Blizzard, to destroy Kespa/OGN/MBC. But MLG, IEM, ESL get almost nothing? I bet they fund their entire project themselves and I don't get the feeling they particularly like Blizzard either. For example, still not giving them LAN. Kepsa/OGN/MBC/the teams could have taken care of themselves. Blizzard chased out huge sponsorships by attacking Blizzard, who are the sponsors. So Blizzard had to pay the money themselves which will only continue as long as it is good marketing for SC2 game sales. Blizzard could have let Korea take care of itself and help out MLG, IEM, ESL, etc. Blizzard can help them get huge sponsors. I watched MLG and I saw the same ads over and over. Also, what companies are EG, Root gaming and Fanatic? I have no idea what products these companies maken. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:25 Gonodactylus wrote: That's the big issue. Kespa owns the players because they invest and 'create' them. It costs a huge amount of money. If Blizzard owns the players for free then that's terrible for the players. You say the players should be 'treated well and all' but you want them to be slaves of Blizzard's marketing engine. At least with Kespa/the teams players get an actual deal. Blizzard is a greedy for-profit company with shareholders that expect big dividend. Kespa is non-profit and fighting for it's lives, playing dirty. So wait, you are saying you rather have amateur esports where Blizzard can abuse it than actual esports Blizzard can't abuse. Let's not forget that Blizzard by far by far made the most money off of SC BW esports. Blizzard isn't going to make anymore money off of SC BW esports with SC2 out. And now they do this. Remember them clapping happily in the audience a long time ago? Everyone still supporting Blizzard should be deeply deeply ashamed. People should listen to all SuperDanialMan's podcasts. He did the most for foreigners in Korea then everyone ever did. And he knows all people involved personally. I am not saying what I would rather have I am just saying what it is. What I want has no bearing on this at all. It is irrelevant that Kespa spends money on players. It is irrelevant how blizzard would treat the players, It is irrelevant that Kespa is non profit and Blizzard is greedy. It is irrelevant that blizzard could abuse esports. It is irrelevant that Blizzard made money off BW esports. It is irrelevant that Blizzard isn't going to make more money off BW with starcraft 2 out. If Blizzard said clear as day we want BW dead it would be irrelevant. None of this has anything to do with Blizzard owning starcraft. It is the only thing that matters. It has nothing to do with me supporting Blizzard or Kespa. It is just how things are. Blizzard or Kespa being morally right or wrong is once again Irrelevant. I really couldn't care if kespa found a way to screw blizzard out of some money nor if Blizzard wins, all I am saying Is blizzard owns starcraft, everything esle is irrelevant. | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:37 Gonodactylus wrote: What has Blizzard done for esports outside of Gom? Sponsor GOM classic, make Worldwide Invitationals, Blizzcon tournament stage | ||
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Mediafriend
United States8 Posts
No matter what your opinion is on the subject. Starcraft is owned by blizzard and they can do whatever they want with it, AND they can stop you from doing almost anything with it. But they did spend millions of dollars and thousands of hours working hard to create a suite of games that are loved by so many people around the world. The only people getting shafted here are the players stuck with Kespa and the people who are buying into the propaganda. I'm sure they'll work an agreement out eventually that is beneficial (for the corporations) and makes little to no difference for the players. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
and i agree with the soccerball comparision, because.. Blizzard has moved from selling products to services.. For example.. WoW is a service not a product anymore. Starcraft is still a product.. We all paid for the game, we can use it however the hell we want.. When we buy a soccer ball they dont monitor wtf we do with it, its ours. -_-; I think mostly everyone was blaming blizzard/gretech and on KeSPA's side for once, but i think this will change most peoples views, but the articles they've been producing sound hillarious, except the bashing on NaDa is fucked -_- | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
fuck that journalist thats crazy | ||
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Gonodactylus
54 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:45 AyJay wrote: Sponsor GOM classic, make Worldwide Invitationals, Blizzcon tournament stage WWI and Blizzcon was more Kespa supporting Blizzard than the other way around. Not to mention any WWI outside Korea and Blizzcon was an absolutely terrible run event. Not to mention Blizzard charged entrance fees for that and those events surely made them net profit. And in the end they turned WWI into Blizzcon global before they just stopped with WWI altogether, which is probably because of they fight they picked with Kespa. And you say sponsor Gom classic? How is that besides Gom/outside Korea? It's exactly the same thing. A Kespa/BW killing move. Blizzard cares so little for esports they even refuse to make good maps because good esports maps are too hard for casuals. That's their line, not mine. I think they are wrong. But even if they were right, it shows where their priorities are. For Blizzard esports is just more game sales. It will all collapse very soon, people. Don't worry. Then there will be nothing left but scorched earth and you will all wonder how it all could have happened. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:42 Gonodactylus wrote: Proof? Why do they have such a small prize pool if Blizzard threw so much money at them? Gomtv got like millions from Blizzard, to destroy Kespa/OGN/MBC. But MLG, IEM, ESL get almost nothing? I bet they fund their entire project themselves and I don't get the feeling they particularly like Blizzard either. For example, still not giving them LAN. Probably because they don't have an opposing organization trying to prevent it from getting off the ground either? Also might be a cultural/business thing. I don't know as there are no details about the negotiations as far as I know. As for the LAN thing, I'll go off on a wild guess from my uniformed self with no proof or information to back it up. Blizzard is afraid that if a LAN version got out, an organization like KESPA will take it and go "LAWLZ ESport public domain QQ Blizzard". With the current setup, no one can do that without Blizzard just going "LAWLZ banned bitches". They have said that a "tournament server" is in the works so who knows what the hell that means. | ||
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TheGreatHegemon
61 Posts
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Panzamelano
Colombia248 Posts
thats why we have no lan... blame today`s culture of it... not blizzard. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 14 2010 22:07 Gonodactylus wrote: Fraidnot, what you say contradicts what that Gomtv guy is saying. Fact is Kespa didn't ban Gomtv from using their players for several seasons/tournaments. Only some of the teams did. I actually remember that there was news that Kespa would actually authorize the league officially. Then Blizzard suddenly appeared all over Gomtv's league and of course that triggered a reaction. I don't know if at that point the teams that still participated also pulled all by themselves or if they were forced by Blizzard. Fact is no player was ever punished from playing in a Gomtv league. Why should Blizzard be allowed to use Gom get to undermine Kespa with expensive Kespa-funded players? What? I'm seriously having a hard time understanding the point of view you're coming from, yes kespa sanctioned the second season, and at that time players from mbc, ogn and estro weren't playing because they had their own tournaments. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79157 At this point season 3 comes and Blizzard helps sponsor the tournament. Then season 4 comes and this event which was sanctioned by kespa for season 2 suddenly has no players. Why? because Gom didn't pay kespa for broadcasting rights, rights which Kespa had no legal claim to. I don't know where you get the idea that Blizzard would want to sponsor a tournament and then force teams to pull their players from that tourney. Of course no player was ever punished from playing in Gomtv, it's not like any of the players played against Kespa's wishes. Kespa doesn't own players, they don't own teams either, the companies that make up Kespa sponsor the teams. So let me ask what gives Kespa the right to pressure players into not playing in tournaments where they get the opportunity to play for twice the prize pool of Kespa sanctioned tourneys? | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50641 KeSPA claimed the rights to Proleague, not Starcraft. Big difference. Does not change the fact that Blizzard is entitled to something, but based on the amount of work each entity put in, I'd say public advertisement in various tournaments should be enough for Blizzard, while monetary payment should go to KeSPA for running Proleague. | ||
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Panzamelano
Colombia248 Posts
On November 15 2010 02:04 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Speaking of lan, how come starcraft 2 still isn't hacked for lan? While I have no need for a lan patch, I sure as heck expected there to be one out like a week after game release. Sure there are still talks of lan emulator but I don't see anything fruitful as of yet. the reason for there not being lan emulators yet is that blizzard actually got into the move (like 2 weeks before the beta finished) and hunted the hacking teams that where triying to get the lan working and then treathened them that if they didnt stopped they will go to court wich well... none of them really wanted to... so the lan projects kinda died right there. pd: there`s still some rumours of some people that haves a working emulator of battlenet... sadly acording to the rumours is way too unstable and the ladder barely works. | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On November 15 2010 01:42 Gonodactylus wrote: Proof? Why do they have such a small prize pool if Blizzard threw so much money at them? Gomtv got like millions from Blizzard, to destroy Kespa/OGN/MBC. But MLG, IEM, ESL get almost nothing? I bet they fund their entire project themselves and I don't get the feeling they particularly like Blizzard either. For example, still not giving them LAN. Kepsa/OGN/MBC/the teams could have taken care of themselves. Blizzard chased out huge sponsorships by attacking Blizzard, who are the sponsors. So Blizzard had to pay the money themselves which will only continue as long as it is good marketing for SC2 game sales. Blizzard could have let Korea take care of itself and help out MLG, IEM, ESL, etc. Blizzard can help them get huge sponsors. I watched MLG and I saw the same ads over and over. Also, what companies are EG, Root gaming and Fanatic? I have no idea what products these companies maken. Wow you're like the least informed most opinionated guy out here. EG, Root, Fanatic... they aren't companies they are teams who have sponsors like Intel. The rest of your post is just pure conjecture and then not even very well thought out like Sony Ericsson last time I checked was a good sponsor. and god dammit you are a troll! I feel so stupid.. | ||
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