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On November 23 2010 18:32 CarbonTwelve wrote:
New release time! And this one's a big one (hence why it's been a few days): Zerg module is ready!
v6 changelog:
Zerg module!
Known issues:
Constant drone production doesn't do anything
Multiple queens spawning larvae on same hatchery
Larvae not split per hatchery
Creep tumors aren't working
Various inefficiencies in Zerg code
I expect there'll still be other bugs with the Zerg module, so if it's not mentioned above, please let me know, and also be gentle on me - bit of a quick release for this stuff.
Plan for next release will be to fix up the above known issues, then probably to work on the custom non-target priorities (minerals vs gas vs workers etc.). After that I'll probably start work on the Terran version (likely v8).
Zerg module!
Looking forward to this release :D
edit:
It thinks the Extractor trick is too good, it seens to prefer it over 9 OL when that has proven to be more economical in in game tests.
It doesn't like Roach Warrens. This is what i get for 5 Hatches and 5 Roach Warrens:
0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:51.37: 100M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:02.17: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
1:16.37: 118M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:17.00: 73M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
1:32.00: 137M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
1:47.00: 221M 0G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
2:02.00: 317M 0G 1L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Drone
2:17.00: 423M 0G 1L 0E 16/ 18S - Build Drone
2:17.00: 373M 0G 0L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Hatchery
2:39.51: 300M 0G 1L 0E 16/ 18S - Build Hatchery
3:08.87: 300M 0G 3L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Hatchery
3:40.16: 300M 0G 3L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Hatchery
3:45.97: 50M 0G 3L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
3:51.78: 50M 0G 2L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
4:12.93: 200M 0G 2L 0E 15/ 20S - Build Spawning Pool
4:18.31: 50M 0G 3L 0E 14/ 20S - Build Drone
4:23.21: 50M 0G 2L 0E 15/ 22S - Build Drone
4:28.07: 50M 0G 1L 0E 16/ 22S - Build Drone
4:33.31: 54M 0G 1L 0E 17/ 22S - Build Drone
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
5:20.16: 591M 0G 3L 0E 18/ 26S
Income: 810M 0G
Buildings: 5 Hatchery 1 Spawning Pool
Units: 18 Drone 2 Overlord
Upgrades:
Please allow for only 3 drones to be pushed from and to gas at a time.
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On November 23 2010 18:34 ChickenLips wrote:
It thinks the Extractor trick is too good, it seens to prefer it over 9 OL when that has proven to be more economical in in game tests.
I've heard this, however the algorithm clearly finds an advantage to it. Have you got the link to the details which proves why? I'd like to see where the difference arises.
It doesn't like Roach Warrens. This is what i get for 5 Hatches and 5 Roach Warrens:
Yeah, sorry, I tested all the units (at least, pretty sure I did), didn't test all the buildings. I've fixed that up for the next version.
Please allow for only 3 drones to be pushed from and to gas at a time.
Yeah, I'll add that to the settings at some point.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133917
There you go.
Very interesting how it really likes going for 10/12 Pools into ~20hatch for general early defense builds (i.e. 30 drones, 1 roach (for the warren :D) and 10 slings) every single build x_x ...
I'ma keep on testing 
Oh and i think extractor tricks beyond 10 supply are kind of pointless. I'm not going to incorporate a double extractor trick at 44 supply :D
Income seems to be incorporated as a steady flow when it actually happens every 5 minerals ingame. I think it's better to implement it that way since it gets slowed down a bit and becomes more realistic in how builds actually play out.
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This program keeps getting better and better! You're clearly putting lots of effort into this program, and damn does it show. I figured we'd see Zerg support eventually, but no sooner than you had the major Protoss issues pressed out, v6 hits us across the face with support for two races. I know the Zerg module needs refinement, but I can't wait to see how you'll have it working with all the kinks ironed out.
Great show, keep at it!
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On November 23 2010 18:51 ChickenLips wrote:
Income seems to be incorporated as a steady flow when it actually happens every 5 minerals ingame. I think it's better to implement it that way since it gets slowed down a bit and becomes more realistic in how builds actually play out.
Trouble is that it's a LOT more costly to calculate income that way. This may explain why it finds the extractor trick useful where in game tests show otherwise, however the cost of simulating actual mining just isn't worth it. I might add a hack in so that it only uses the extractor trick when going for an earlier pool or something (will probably just make it cost more mining time to achieve the same results).
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have a lot to play now :-))))))))))))) so see you later!
The zerg ver is fantastic, very fast very good.
About income, in a previous post you can see that in a real test the difference is less than 5 minerals until around 5 min !!! so, yes, the mining is just fine.
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On November 23 2010 19:55 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 18:51 ChickenLips wrote:
Income seems to be incorporated as a steady flow when it actually happens every 5 minerals ingame. I think it's better to implement it that way since it gets slowed down a bit and becomes more realistic in how builds actually play out. Trouble is that it's a LOT more costly to calculate income that way. This may explain why it finds the extractor trick useful where in game tests show otherwise, however the cost of simulating actual mining just isn't worth it. I might add a hack in so that it only uses the extractor trick when going for an earlier pool or something (will probably just make it cost more mining time to achieve the same results).
Is it? I imagine at the moment you calculate income by 1 mineral / (time * drone modifier) cant you just do it 5 minerals / (time * drone modifier) ?
I put in a rather heavy build with 50 tunneling + burrow + speed roaches and 5 pathogen infestors.
Here's what it gives me after 110 million games:
+ Show Spoiler +
0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.70: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:24.70: 191M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:32.19: 200M 0G 2L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool
1:39.76: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:43.29: 25M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Extractor
1:50.58: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:57.62: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
2:04.10: 50M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
2:13.29: 75M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:13.29: 75M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:17.00: 102M 5G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
2:17.00: 52M 5G 0L 0E 15/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:37.19: 206M 44G 1L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Queen
2:42.27: 100M 53G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord
2:48.08: 50M 64G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Drone
3:07.27: 165M 101G 1L 0E 18/ 26S - Build Drone
3:27.19: 300M 139G 1L 25E 19/ 26S - Build Queen
3:27.19: 150M 139G 1L 25E 21/ 26S - Build Overlord
3:27.19: 50M 139G 0L 25E 21/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
3:32.00: 98M 148G 1L 3E 21/ 26S - Build Drone
3:47.00: 196M 176G 1L 11E 22/ 26S - Build Drone
4:02.00: 302M 205G 1L 20E 23/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 307M 215G 4L 23E 24/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 257M 215G 3L 23E 25/ 34S - Build Extractor
4:07.19: 232M 215G 3L 23E 24/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 182M 215G 2L 23E 25/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 132M 215G 1L 23E 26/ 34S - Build Drone
4:11.64: 128M 223G 0L 25E 27/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:17.19: 187M 234G 0L 3E 27/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:22.19: 240M 243G 1L 6E 27/ 34S - Build Drone
4:37.19: 383M 272G 1L 14E 28/ 34S - Build Drone
4:37.19: 333M 272G 0L 14E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
4:37.19: 333M 272G 0L 14E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
4:37.19: 333M 272G 0L 14E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
4:51.64: 509M 323G 4L 23E 29/ 34S - Build Drone
4:51.64: 459M 323G 3L 23E 30/ 34S - Build Drone
4:51.64: 409M 323G 2L 23E 31/ 34S - Build Drone
4:51.64: 359M 323G 1L 23E 32/ 34S - Build Overlord
4:56.08: 314M 339G 0L 25E 32/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:57.19: 328M 343G 4L 1E 32/ 34S - Build Drone
4:57.19: 278M 343G 3L 1E 33/ 34S - Build Extractor
4:57.19: 253M 343G 3L 1E 32/ 34S - Build Drone
4:57.19: 203M 343G 2L 1E 33/ 34S - Build Drone
5:09.69: 300M 388G 1L 8E 34/ 34S - Build Hatchery
5:13.81: 50M 403G 2L 10E 33/ 34S - Build Drone
5:13.81: 0M 403G 1L 10E 34/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
5:13.81: 0M 403G 1L 10E 34/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
5:17.70: 50M 418G 1L 12E 34/ 42S - Build Drone
5:28.62: 150M 459G 1L 18E 35/ 42S - Build Lair
5:28.62: 0M 359G 1L 18E 35/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
5:28.62: 0M 359G 1L 18E 35/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
5:32.14: 50M 378G 1L 20E 35/ 42S - Build Drone
5:36.08: 58M 400G 4L 23E 36/ 42S - Build Drone
5:38.76: 50M 415G 3L 24E 37/ 42S - Build Drone
5:40.53: 28M 424G 2L 25E 38/ 42S - Queen Spawn Larva
5:41.94: 50M 432G 2L 1E 38/ 42S - Build Drone
5:46.08: 65M 455G 1L 3E 39/ 42S - Queen Spawn Larva
5:48.31: 100M 467G 1L 4E 39/ 42S - Build Overlord
5:53.76: 87M 497G 1L 7E 39/ 42S - Build Drone
5:54.52: 50M 501G 4L 8E 40/ 42S - Build Drone
5:54.52: 0M 501G 3L 8E 41/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
5:57.58: 50M 519G 3L 10E 41/ 42S - Build Drone
6:13.31: 279M 608G 3L 18E 42/ 52S - Build Drone
6:13.31: 229M 608G 2L 18E 43/ 52S - Build Evolution Chamber
6:13.31: 154M 608G 2L 18E 42/ 52S - Build Drone
6:13.31: 104M 608G 1L 18E 43/ 52S - Build Drone
6:20.53: 186M 649G 4L 23E 44/ 52S - Build Drone
6:20.53: 136M 649G 3L 23E 45/ 52S - Build Drone
6:20.53: 86M 649G 2L 23E 46/ 52S - Build Drone
6:22.54: 75M 661G 1L 24E 47/ 52S - Build Evolution Chamber
6:24.97: 43M 675G 1L 25E 46/ 52S - Queen Spawn Larva
6:25.34: 50M 677G 1L 0E 46/ 52S - Build Drone
6:28.12: 50M 693G 4L 2E 47/ 52S - Build Drone
6:30.82: 50M 708G 3L 3E 48/ 52S - Build Drone
6:33.41: 50M 723G 2L 5E 49/ 52S - Build Drone
6:35.86: 50M 737G 1L 6E 50/ 52S - Build Drone
6:45.82: 217M 794G 1L 12E 51/ 52S - Build Drone
6:45.82: 167M 794G 0L 12E 52/ 52S - Build Extractor
6:48.31: 197M 808G 0L 13E 51/ 52S - Research Ground Carapace 1
6:57.54: 268M 710G 0L 18E 51/ 54S - Research Missile Attacks 1
6:57.54: 168M 610G 0L 18E 51/ 54S - Build Extractor
6:57.54: 143M 610G 0L 18E 50/ 54S - Build Infestation Pit
7:00.82: 117M 529G 1L 20E 49/ 54S - Build Drone
7:04.97: 164M 553G 4L 23E 50/ 54S - Build Drone
7:04.97: 114M 553G 3L 23E 51/ 54S - Build Drone
7:04.97: 64M 553G 2L 23E 52/ 54S - Queen Spawn Larva
7:09.42: 171M 578G 2L 25E 52/ 54S - Queen Spawn Larva
7:14.77: 300M 609G 2L 3E 52/ 54S - Build Hatchery
7:14.77: 0M 609G 2L 3E 51/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:14.77: 0M 609G 2L 3E 51/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:17.07: 50M 623G 2L 4E 51/ 54S - Build Drone
7:17.07: 0M 623G 1L 4E 52/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:24.04: 150M 674G 2L 8E 52/ 54S - Build Lair
7:24.04: 0M 574G 2L 8E 52/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:26.24: 50M 591G 2L 9E 52/ 54S - Build Drone
7:28.43: 50M 608G 1L 11E 53/ 54S - Build Drone
7:34.84: 150M 661G 0L 14E 54/ 54S - Build Roach Warren
7:34.84: 0M 661G 0L 14E 53/ 54S - Queen Spawn Larva
7:47.54: 296M 764G 5L 21E 53/ 54S - Research Pathogen Glands
7:47.54: 146M 614G 5L 21E 53/ 54S - Build Extractor
7:47.54: 121M 614G 5L 21E 52/ 54S - Build Extractor
7:47.54: 96M 614G 5L 21E 51/ 54S - Build Drone
7:54.20: 200M 668G 8L 25E 52/ 54S - Build Hive
7:58.44: 100M 553G 8L 28E 52/ 54S - Build Overlord
8:02.69: 100M 588G 7L 30E 52/ 54S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 648M 816G 10L 45E 52/ 72S - Build Roach
8:29.84: 573M 791G 9L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 473M 791G 8L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 373M 791G 7L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 273M 791G 6L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Roach
8:29.84: 198M 766G 5L 45E 56/ 72S - Build Roach
8:29.84: 123M 741G 4L 45E 58/ 72S - Build Roach
8:30.99: 75M 726G 3L 46E 60/ 72S - Build Roach
8:35.17: 100M 737G 2L 48E 62/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:38.31: 75M 765G 1L 50E 62/ 72S - Build Roach
8:45.99: 183M 807G 1L 54E 64/ 72S - Build Roach
8:45.99: 108M 782G 0L 54E 66/ 72S - Queen Spawn Larva
8:45.99: 108M 782G 0L 29E 66/ 72S - Queen Spawn Larva
8:45.99: 108M 782G 0L 29E 66/ 72S - Research Glial Reconstitution
9:00.99: 367M 812G 1L 38E 66/104S - Build Roach
9:15.99: 650M 918G 1L 46E 68/104S - Build Roach
9:15.99: 575M 893G 0L 46E 70/104S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:25.99: 814M 980G 4L 27E 70/104S - Build Roach
9:25.99: 739M 955G 3L 27E 72/104S - Build Overlord
9:25.99: 639M 955G 2L 27E 72/104S - Build Roach
9:25.99: 564M 930G 1L 27E 74/104S - Build Overlord
9:25.99: 464M 930G 4L 27E 74/104S - Build Roach
9:25.99: 389M 905G 3L 27E 76/104S - Build Roach
9:34.20: 511M 952G 2L 31E 78/104S - Research Ground Carapace 2
9:34.20: 286M 727G 2L 31E 78/104S - Build Drone
9:34.20: 236M 727G 1L 31E 79/104S - Build Roach
9:37.54: 241M 731G 0L 33E 81/104S - Research Missile Attacks 2
9:40.99: 173M 611G 1L 35E 81/104S - Build Roach
9:40.99: 98M 586G 0L 35E 83/104S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:40.99: 98M 586G 0L 35E 83/104S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:55.99: 460M 717G 1L 19E 83/118S - Build Roach
9:55.99: 385M 692G 0L 19E 85/118S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:55.99: 385M 692G 4L 19E 85/118S - Build Roach
9:55.99: 310M 667G 3L 19E 87/118S - Research Burrow
9:55.99: 210M 567G 3L 19E 87/118S - Build Roach
9:55.99: 135M 542G 2L 19E 89/118S - Build Roach
9:57.60: 100M 531G 1L 20E 91/118S - Build Infestor
10:10.99: 335M 497G 1L 27E 93/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 511M 560G 4L 33E 95/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 436M 535G 3L 33E 97/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 361M 510G 2L 33E 99/118S - Build Overlord
10:20.99: 261M 510G 1L 33E 99/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 186M 485G 4L 33E 101/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 111M 460G 3L 33E 103/118S - Build Infestor
10:35.99: 387M 440G 7L 41E 105/118S - Research Tunneling Claws
10:35.99: 237M 290G 7L 41E 105/118S - Build Overlord
10:35.99: 137M 290G 6L 41E 105/118S - Build Roach
10:37.52: 100M 279G 5L 42E 107/118S - Build Overlord
10:40.51: 75M 305G 4L 44E 107/118S - Build Roach
10:43.51: 75M 306G 3L 45E 109/118S - Build Roach
10:46.50: 75M 307G 2L 47E 111/126S - Build Roach
10:49.49: 75M 308G 1L 49E 113/126S - Build Roach
10:49.49: 0M 283G 0L 49E 115/126S - Queen Spawn Larva
10:49.49: 0M 283G 0L 24E 115/126S - Queen Spawn Larva
10:51.64: 54M 302G 0L 25E 115/126S - Queen Spawn Larva
10:53.49: 100M 318G 0L 1E 115/126S - Research Metabolic Boost
10:58.51: 126M 262G 1L 4E 115/126S - Build Roach
11:13.51: 427M 367G 1L 12E 117/142S - Build Roach
11:28.51: 727M 473G 1L 21E 119/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 677M 457G 4L 21E 121/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 602M 432G 3L 21E 123/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 527M 407G 2L 21E 125/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 452M 382G 1L 21E 127/142S - Build Overlord
11:29.49: 352M 382G 0L 21E 127/142S - Queen Spawn Larva
11:29.49: 352M 382G 4L 21E 127/142S - Build Infestor
11:29.49: 252M 232G 3L 21E 129/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 177M 207G 2L 21E 131/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 102M 182G 1L 21E 133/142S - Build Overlord
11:33.41: 100M 216G 4L 23E 133/142S - Build Infestor
11:36.08: 67M 89G 3L 25E 135/142S - Queen Spawn Larva
11:37.40: 100M 101G 3L 1E 135/142S - Build Overlord
11:41.64: 106M 138G 2L 3E 135/142S - Queen Spawn Larva
11:41.64: 106M 138G 2L 3E 135/142S - Build Roach
11:45.93: 139M 150G 1L 6E 137/142S - Build Infestor
11:52.40: 201M 56G 1L 9E 139/142S - Build Roach
12:07.40: 502M 162G 1L 18E 141/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 479M 155G 4L 19E 143/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 404M 130G 3L 19E 145/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 329M 105G 2L 19E 147/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 254M 80G 1L 19E 149/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 344M 113G 4L 23E 151/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 269M 88G 3L 23E 153/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 194M 63G 2L 23E 155/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 119M 38G 1L 23E 157/166S - Build Roach
12:21.64: 183M 61G 4L 26E 159/166S - Build Roach
12:21.64: 108M 36G 3L 26E 161/166S - Build Roach
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
12:48.64: 710M 247G 3L 41E 163/166S
Income: 1503M 523G
Buildings: 1 Hatchery 7 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 2 Evolution Chamber 1 Roach Warren 1 Lair 1 Infestation Pit 1 Hive
Units: 49 Drone 20 Overlord 2 Queen 50 Roach 5 Infestor
Upgrades: Metabolic Boost Ground Carapace 1 Ground Carapace 2 Missile Attacks 1 Missile Attacks 2 Glial Reconstitution Tunneling Claws Burrow Pathogen Glands
It builds 7 Exctractors on 2 bases and a Hive for no reason (and pretty early too).
Rest seems fine, I find the 12 Pool rather weird for such an economic build, but I shall test in when I get home
Also I really think you should go from the i want x hatches and y lairs and z Hives to the i want x bases and y lairs etc. format, which makes it easier to specify what you want it to build.
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It also builds 3 Extractors before the 2nd base and goes for the hatch at 34 supply which i find rather weird. Isn't it better to get 2 bases up quicker for the much higher income? Probably the build is so gay gas (Freud says hai!) heavy that it doesn't really matter.
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On November 23 2010 20:14 ChickenLips wrote:
Is it? I imagine at the moment you calculate income by 1 mineral / (time * drone modifier) cant you just do it 5 minerals / (time * drone modifier) ?
Not really, it's actually minerals = time * mineral rate. To simulate it at 5 mineral income rates I'd have to simulate each and every individual drone which would probably slow it down about 10 fold.
I put in a rather heavy build with 50 tunneling + burrow + speed roaches and 5 pathogen infestors. Here's what it gives me after 63 million games: + Show Spoiler +
0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.70: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:24.70: 191M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:32.19: 200M 0G 2L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool
1:39.76: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:43.29: 25M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Extractor
1:50.58: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:57.62: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
2:04.10: 50M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
2:13.29: 75M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:13.29: 75M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:17.00: 102M 5G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
2:17.00: 52M 5G 0L 0E 15/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:37.19: 206M 44G 1L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Queen
2:42.27: 100M 53G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord
2:48.08: 50M 64G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Drone
3:07.27: 165M 101G 1L 0E 18/ 26S - Build Drone
3:27.19: 300M 139G 1L 25E 19/ 26S - Build Queen
3:27.19: 150M 139G 1L 25E 21/ 26S - Build Overlord
3:27.19: 50M 139G 0L 25E 21/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
3:32.00: 98M 148G 1L 3E 21/ 26S - Build Drone
3:47.00: 196M 176G 1L 11E 22/ 26S - Build Drone
4:02.00: 302M 205G 1L 20E 23/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 307M 215G 4L 23E 24/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 257M 215G 3L 23E 25/ 34S - Build Extractor
4:07.19: 232M 215G 3L 23E 24/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 182M 215G 2L 23E 25/ 34S - Build Drone
4:07.19: 132M 215G 1L 23E 26/ 34S - Build Drone
4:11.64: 128M 223G 0L 25E 27/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:17.19: 187M 234G 0L 3E 27/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:22.19: 240M 243G 1L 6E 27/ 34S - Build Drone
4:37.19: 383M 272G 1L 14E 28/ 34S - Build Drone
4:37.19: 333M 272G 0L 14E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
4:37.19: 333M 272G 0L 14E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
4:37.19: 333M 272G 0L 14E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
4:51.64: 509M 323G 4L 23E 29/ 34S - Build Drone
4:51.64: 459M 323G 3L 23E 30/ 34S - Build Drone
4:51.64: 409M 323G 2L 23E 31/ 34S - Build Drone
4:51.64: 359M 323G 1L 23E 32/ 34S - Build Overlord
4:56.08: 314M 339G 0L 25E 32/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:57.19: 328M 343G 4L 1E 32/ 34S - Build Drone
4:57.19: 278M 343G 3L 1E 33/ 34S - Build Extractor
4:57.19: 253M 343G 3L 1E 32/ 34S - Build Drone
4:57.19: 203M 343G 2L 1E 33/ 34S - Build Drone
5:09.69: 300M 388G 1L 8E 34/ 34S - Build Hatchery
5:13.81: 50M 403G 2L 10E 33/ 34S - Build Drone
5:13.81: 0M 403G 1L 10E 34/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
5:13.81: 0M 403G 1L 10E 34/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
5:17.70: 50M 418G 1L 12E 34/ 42S - Build Drone
5:28.62: 150M 459G 1L 18E 35/ 42S - Build Lair
5:28.62: 0M 359G 1L 18E 35/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
5:28.62: 0M 359G 1L 18E 35/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
5:32.14: 50M 378G 1L 20E 35/ 42S - Build Drone
5:36.08: 58M 400G 4L 23E 36/ 42S - Build Drone
5:38.76: 50M 415G 3L 24E 37/ 42S - Build Drone
5:40.53: 28M 424G 2L 25E 38/ 42S - Queen Spawn Larva
5:41.94: 50M 432G 2L 1E 38/ 42S - Build Drone
5:46.08: 65M 455G 1L 3E 39/ 42S - Queen Spawn Larva
5:48.31: 100M 467G 1L 4E 39/ 42S - Build Overlord
5:53.76: 87M 497G 1L 7E 39/ 42S - Build Drone
5:54.52: 50M 501G 4L 8E 40/ 42S - Build Drone
5:54.52: 0M 501G 3L 8E 41/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
5:57.58: 50M 519G 3L 10E 41/ 42S - Build Drone
6:13.31: 279M 608G 3L 18E 42/ 52S - Build Drone
6:13.31: 229M 608G 2L 18E 43/ 52S - Build Evolution Chamber
6:13.31: 154M 608G 2L 18E 42/ 52S - Build Drone
6:13.31: 104M 608G 1L 18E 43/ 52S - Build Drone
6:20.53: 186M 649G 4L 23E 44/ 52S - Build Drone
6:20.53: 136M 649G 3L 23E 45/ 52S - Build Drone
6:20.53: 86M 649G 2L 23E 46/ 52S - Build Drone
6:22.54: 75M 661G 1L 24E 47/ 52S - Build Evolution Chamber
6:24.97: 43M 675G 1L 25E 46/ 52S - Queen Spawn Larva
6:25.34: 50M 677G 1L 0E 46/ 52S - Build Drone
6:28.12: 50M 693G 4L 2E 47/ 52S - Build Drone
6:30.82: 50M 708G 3L 3E 48/ 52S - Build Drone
6:33.41: 50M 723G 2L 5E 49/ 52S - Build Drone
6:35.86: 50M 737G 1L 6E 50/ 52S - Build Drone
6:45.82: 217M 794G 1L 12E 51/ 52S - Build Drone
6:45.82: 167M 794G 0L 12E 52/ 52S - Build Extractor
6:48.31: 197M 808G 0L 13E 51/ 52S - Research Ground Carapace 1
6:57.54: 268M 710G 0L 18E 51/ 54S - Research Missile Attacks 1
6:57.54: 168M 610G 0L 18E 51/ 54S - Build Extractor
6:57.54: 143M 610G 0L 18E 50/ 54S - Build Infestation Pit
7:00.82: 117M 529G 1L 20E 49/ 54S - Build Drone
7:04.97: 164M 553G 4L 23E 50/ 54S - Build Drone
7:04.97: 114M 553G 3L 23E 51/ 54S - Build Drone
7:04.97: 64M 553G 2L 23E 52/ 54S - Queen Spawn Larva
7:09.42: 171M 578G 2L 25E 52/ 54S - Queen Spawn Larva
7:14.77: 300M 609G 2L 3E 52/ 54S - Build Hatchery
7:14.77: 0M 609G 2L 3E 51/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:14.77: 0M 609G 2L 3E 51/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:17.07: 50M 623G 2L 4E 51/ 54S - Build Drone
7:17.07: 0M 623G 1L 4E 52/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:24.04: 150M 674G 2L 8E 52/ 54S - Build Lair
7:24.04: 0M 574G 2L 8E 52/ 54S - Move Drone To Gas
7:26.24: 50M 591G 2L 9E 52/ 54S - Build Drone
7:28.43: 50M 608G 1L 11E 53/ 54S - Build Drone
7:34.84: 150M 661G 0L 14E 54/ 54S - Build Roach Warren
7:34.84: 0M 661G 0L 14E 53/ 54S - Queen Spawn Larva
7:47.54: 296M 764G 5L 21E 53/ 54S - Research Pathogen Glands
7:47.54: 146M 614G 5L 21E 53/ 54S - Build Extractor
7:47.54: 121M 614G 5L 21E 52/ 54S - Build Extractor
7:47.54: 96M 614G 5L 21E 51/ 54S - Build Drone
7:54.20: 200M 668G 8L 25E 52/ 54S - Build Hive
7:58.44: 100M 553G 8L 28E 52/ 54S - Build Overlord
8:02.69: 100M 588G 7L 30E 52/ 54S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 648M 816G 10L 45E 52/ 72S - Build Roach
8:29.84: 573M 791G 9L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 473M 791G 8L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 373M 791G 7L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:29.84: 273M 791G 6L 45E 54/ 72S - Build Roach
8:29.84: 198M 766G 5L 45E 56/ 72S - Build Roach
8:29.84: 123M 741G 4L 45E 58/ 72S - Build Roach
8:30.99: 75M 726G 3L 46E 60/ 72S - Build Roach
8:35.17: 100M 737G 2L 48E 62/ 72S - Build Overlord
8:38.31: 75M 765G 1L 50E 62/ 72S - Build Roach
8:45.99: 183M 807G 1L 54E 64/ 72S - Build Roach
8:45.99: 108M 782G 0L 54E 66/ 72S - Queen Spawn Larva
8:45.99: 108M 782G 0L 29E 66/ 72S - Queen Spawn Larva
8:45.99: 108M 782G 0L 29E 66/ 72S - Research Glial Reconstitution
9:00.99: 367M 812G 1L 38E 66/104S - Build Roach
9:15.99: 650M 918G 1L 46E 68/104S - Build Roach
9:15.99: 575M 893G 0L 46E 70/104S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:25.99: 814M 980G 4L 27E 70/104S - Build Roach
9:25.99: 739M 955G 3L 27E 72/104S - Build Overlord
9:25.99: 639M 955G 2L 27E 72/104S - Build Roach
9:25.99: 564M 930G 1L 27E 74/104S - Build Overlord
9:25.99: 464M 930G 4L 27E 74/104S - Build Roach
9:25.99: 389M 905G 3L 27E 76/104S - Build Roach
9:34.20: 511M 952G 2L 31E 78/104S - Research Ground Carapace 2
9:34.20: 286M 727G 2L 31E 78/104S - Build Drone
9:34.20: 236M 727G 1L 31E 79/104S - Build Roach
9:37.54: 241M 731G 0L 33E 81/104S - Research Missile Attacks 2
9:40.99: 173M 611G 1L 35E 81/104S - Build Roach
9:40.99: 98M 586G 0L 35E 83/104S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:40.99: 98M 586G 0L 35E 83/104S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:55.99: 460M 717G 1L 19E 83/118S - Build Roach
9:55.99: 385M 692G 0L 19E 85/118S - Queen Spawn Larva
9:55.99: 385M 692G 4L 19E 85/118S - Build Roach
9:55.99: 310M 667G 3L 19E 87/118S - Research Burrow
9:55.99: 210M 567G 3L 19E 87/118S - Build Roach
9:55.99: 135M 542G 2L 19E 89/118S - Build Roach
9:57.60: 100M 531G 1L 20E 91/118S - Build Infestor
10:10.99: 335M 497G 1L 27E 93/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 511M 560G 4L 33E 95/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 436M 535G 3L 33E 97/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 361M 510G 2L 33E 99/118S - Build Overlord
10:20.99: 261M 510G 1L 33E 99/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 186M 485G 4L 33E 101/118S - Build Roach
10:20.99: 111M 460G 3L 33E 103/118S - Build Infestor
10:35.99: 387M 440G 7L 41E 105/118S - Research Tunneling Claws
10:35.99: 237M 290G 7L 41E 105/118S - Build Overlord
10:35.99: 137M 290G 6L 41E 105/118S - Build Roach
10:37.52: 100M 279G 5L 42E 107/118S - Build Overlord
10:40.51: 75M 305G 4L 44E 107/118S - Build Roach
10:43.51: 75M 306G 3L 45E 109/118S - Build Roach
10:46.50: 75M 307G 2L 47E 111/126S - Build Roach
10:49.49: 75M 308G 1L 49E 113/126S - Build Roach
10:49.49: 0M 283G 0L 49E 115/126S - Queen Spawn Larva
10:49.49: 0M 283G 0L 24E 115/126S - Queen Spawn Larva
10:51.64: 54M 302G 0L 25E 115/126S - Queen Spawn Larva
10:53.49: 100M 318G 0L 1E 115/126S - Research Metabolic Boost
10:58.51: 126M 262G 1L 4E 115/126S - Build Roach
11:13.51: 427M 367G 1L 12E 117/142S - Build Roach
11:28.51: 727M 473G 1L 21E 119/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 677M 457G 4L 21E 121/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 602M 432G 3L 21E 123/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 527M 407G 2L 21E 125/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 452M 382G 1L 21E 127/142S - Build Overlord
11:29.49: 352M 382G 0L 21E 127/142S - Queen Spawn Larva
11:29.49: 352M 382G 4L 21E 127/142S - Build Infestor
11:29.49: 252M 232G 3L 21E 129/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 177M 207G 2L 21E 131/142S - Build Roach
11:29.49: 102M 182G 1L 21E 133/142S - Build Overlord
11:33.41: 100M 216G 4L 23E 133/142S - Build Infestor
11:36.08: 67M 89G 3L 25E 135/142S - Queen Spawn Larva
11:37.40: 100M 101G 3L 1E 135/142S - Build Overlord
11:41.64: 106M 138G 2L 3E 135/142S - Queen Spawn Larva
11:41.64: 106M 138G 2L 3E 135/142S - Build Roach
11:45.93: 139M 150G 1L 6E 137/142S - Build Infestor
11:52.40: 201M 56G 1L 9E 139/142S - Build Roach
12:07.40: 502M 162G 1L 18E 141/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 479M 155G 4L 19E 143/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 404M 130G 3L 19E 145/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 329M 105G 2L 19E 147/166S - Build Roach
12:09.49: 254M 80G 1L 19E 149/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 344M 113G 4L 23E 151/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 269M 88G 3L 23E 153/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 194M 63G 2L 23E 155/166S - Build Roach
12:16.08: 119M 38G 1L 23E 157/166S - Build Roach
12:21.64: 183M 61G 4L 26E 159/166S - Build Roach
12:21.64: 108M 36G 3L 26E 161/166S - Build Roach
Waypoint 1 satisfied: 12:48.64: 710M 247G 3L 41E 163/166S Income: 1503M 523G Buildings: 1 Hatchery 7 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 2 Evolution Chamber 1 Roach Warren 1 Lair 1 Infestation Pit 1 Hive Units: 49 Drone 20 Overlord 2 Queen 50 Roach 5 Infestor Upgrades: Metabolic Boost Ground Carapace 1 Ground Carapace 2 Missile Attacks 1 Missile Attacks 2 Glial Reconstitution Tunneling Claws Burrow Pathogen Glands It builds 7 Exctractors on 2 bases and a Hive for no reason (and pretty early too).
63 million games actually isn't very many, especially for such a complicated build. Also, it had 3 bases (1 hatchery, 1 lair, 1 hive), so there was only 1 extra extractor. I espect if left to run long enough it would optimise that out.
Rest seems fine, I find the 12 Pool rather weird for such an economic build, but I shall test in when I get home
12 pool was possibly done to get extra larva from the queen.
Also I really think you should go from the i want x hatches and y lairs and z Hives to the i want x bases and y lairs etc. format, which makes it easier to specify what you want it to build.
Yeah, possibly, will probably do that at some point.
edit:
It also builds 3 Extractors before the 2nd base and goes for the hatch at 34 supply which i find rather weird. Isn't it better to get 2 bases up quicker for the much higher income? Probably the build is so gay gas (Freud says hai!) heavy that it doesn't really matter.
Again, possibly due to so few games for such a complicated build. I suggest trying something simpler
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It didn't change a single line for the last 50 million games (i let it run to 110 million and then stopped).
A 3rd extractor before 2nd hatch is still weird, but it probably does that to just maximise gas income for this very specific build. The last extractor is probably more worrisome as I don't think your algorithm has developed some form of intelligence and started to predict the future
I'm gonna take your advice and play around with simpler stuff. It's kind of boring how it doesn't screw up with those tho 
Oh and for the first 20 million games of the roach BO it did 4 extractor tricks between 12 and 17 supply, just thought you'd be interested.
edit:
I managed to get it to go hatch first! :D
By ordering something crazy like 50 spines and 50 roaches it went 13 hatch 13 pool.
edit2:
And it's back to 15 pool 17 hatch x_x
You should PM one of the mods to change the thread title to (Z/P)
Currently running 100 Spawning Pools since that is the highest mineral/larva cost I can think of without screwing up hatch count. It can't really decide if it wants 4294967174 or 5 drones :D
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Something is wrong here:
i ask for 3 Roach:
0:36.88: 200M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Spawning Pool
1:41.88: 234M 0G 3L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Roach Warren
1:41.88: 84M 0G 3L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
2:11.88: 46M 0G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:11.88: 21M 0G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:36.88: 397M 47G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Roach
2:36.88: 322M 22G 2L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 297M 22G 2L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 272M 22G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 247M 22G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:38.20: 241M 25G 2L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Roach
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:46.62: 286M 25G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Roach
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:13.62: 596M 103G 2L 0E 5/ 10S
Income: 856M 228G
Buildings: 1 Hatchery 6 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 1 Roach Warren
Units: 4294967295 Drone 1 Overlord 3 Roach
Upgrades:
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On November 23 2010 22:16 icezar wrote:
Something is wrong here:
i ask for 3 Roach:
0:36.88: 200M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Spawning Pool
1:41.88: 234M 0G 3L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Roach Warren
1:41.88: 84M 0G 3L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
2:11.88: 46M 0G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:11.88: 21M 0G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:36.88: 397M 47G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Roach
2:36.88: 322M 22G 2L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 297M 22G 2L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 272M 22G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 247M 22G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:38.20: 241M 25G 2L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Roach
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:46.62: 286M 25G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Roach
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:13.62: 596M 103G 2L 0E 5/ 10S
Income: 856M 228G
Buildings: 1 Hatchery 6 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 1 Roach Warren
Units: 4294967295 Drone 1 Overlord 3 Roach
Upgrades:
hahahaha
i get the exact same BO after 50 million games.
Maybe it's preparing for a base trade?
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Entering 20 lings I get this: (70 million games)
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Extractor
0:32.00: 133M 0G 3L 0E 5/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
0:32.00: 133M 0G 3L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Extractor
0:32.00: 108M 0G 3L 0E 4/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
0:32.00: 108M 0G 3L 0E 4/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
0:32.00: 108M 0G 3L 0E 4/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:32.00: 33M 0G 2L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
0:32.00: 8M 0G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
0:44.11: 200M 23G 2L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Spawning Pool
0:44.11: 0M 23G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
0:44.11: 0M 23G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
0:44.11: 0M 23G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
1:05.14: 300M 69G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Hatchery
1:26.17: 300M 149G 3L 0E 2/ 10S - Build Hatchery
1:49.11: 327M 236G 3L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Queen
1:57.71: 300M 269G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Hatchery
1:59.46: 25M 275G 3L 0E 2/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:02.97: 50M 289G 3L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Zergling
2:04.72: 25M 295G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:06.47: 25M 302G 2L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:08.22: 25M 309G 2L 0E 0/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:09.98: 25M 315G 2L 0E -1/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:13.48: 50M 329G 2L 0E -2/ 10S - Build Zergling
2:16.99: 50M 342G 1L 0E -1/ 10S - Build Zergling
2:20.49: 50M 355G 1L 0E 0/ 10S - Build Zergling
2:32.97: 178M 403G 1L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Zergling
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 25E 2/ 10S - Queen Spawn Larva
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:39.11: 216M 426G 0L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:47.97: 382M 470G 1L 5E 2/ 12S - Build Zergling
3:02.97: 760M 584G 1L 13E 3/ 12S - Build Zergling
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:02.97: 710M 584G 0L 13E 4/ 12S - Move Drone To Gas
3:17.97: 1307M 743G 1L 22E 4/ 14S - Build Zergling
3:19.11: 1306M 756G 4L 23E 5/ 14S - Build Zergling
3:19.11: 1256M 756G 3L 23E 6/ 14S - Build Zergling
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
3:19.11: 1206M 756G 2L 23E 7/ 14S - Move Drone To Gas
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:43.11: 2310M 1050G 3L 36E 7/ 16S
Income: 3424M 912G
Buildings: 4 Hatchery 8 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool
Units: 4294967291 Drone 1 Overlord 1 Queen 20 Zergling
Upgrades:
Interesting.
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I've told it to get every single upgrade for shits and giggles.
It's now at minus 17 supply. Yeah it's started to understand that negative supply is not a useful skill toi have.
This program is awesome.
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Seems that the program thinks that you can transfer drones to extra extractors without a hatch? Odd...will play around with this and report back soon.
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Awesome!! Sweet new release! Thanks a lot.
A note on the Spawn Larvae bug: It seems like even a single Queen can spawn larvae multiple times on a single hatchery without waiting the 40 sec. Check out this BO for example:
+ Show Spoiler +
0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.70: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:25.82: 200M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool
1:33.39: 50M 0G 3L 0E 10/ 18S - Build Drone
1:40.44: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:47.48: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
1:51.00: 25M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Extractor
1:58.40: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
2:21.00: 190M 0G 2L 0E 13/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:21.00: 190M 0G 2L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
2:21.00: 140M 0G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Overlord
2:21.00: 40M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:35.03: 150M 20G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Queen
2:41.28: 50M 28G 1L 0E 16/ 18S - Build Drone
2:58.72: 150M 53G 1L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Roach Warren
3:05.11: 50M 62G 2L 0E 16/ 26S - Build Drone
3:10.92: 50M 70G 1L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Drone
3:18.39: 64M 80G 1L 0E 18/ 26S - Build Drone
3:53.72: 363M 130G 2L 41E 19/ 26S - Build Roach
3:53.72: 288M 105G 1L 41E 21/ 26S - Build Overlord
3:53.72: 188M 105G 0L 41E 21/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:09.48: 355M 127G 1L 25E 21/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:09.48: 355M 127G 1L 0E 21/ 26S - Build Overlord
4:18.39: 349M 139G 1L 5E 21/ 26S - Build Roach
4:18.39: 274M 114G 0L 5E 23/ 26S - Move Drone To Minerals
4:33.39: 442M 125G 1L 13E 23/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 370M 100G 4L 14E 25/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 295M 75G 3L 14E 27/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 220M 50G 2L 14E 29/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 145M 25G 1L 14E 31/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 70M 0G 0L 14E 33/ 34S - Move Drone To Minerals
4:48.72: 247M 0G 1L 22E 33/ 42S - Build Drone
4:48.72: 197M 0G 0L 22E 34/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
4:48.72: 197M 0G 0L 22E 34/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
4:48.72: 197M 0G 0L 22E 34/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
4:49.48: 204M 2G 4L 23E 34/ 42S - Build Drone
4:49.48: 154M 2G 3L 23E 35/ 42S - Build Drone
4:49.48: 104M 2G 2L 23E 36/ 42S - Build Drone
4:49.48: 54M 2G 1L 23E 37/ 42S - Build Drone
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
5:06.48: 173M 34G 1L 32E 38/ 42S
Income: 594M 114G
Buildings: 1 Hatchery 1 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 1 Roach Warren
Units: 22 Drone 5 Overlord 1 Queen 7 Roach
Upgrades:
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On November 24 2010 01:56 Aneon wrote:Awesome!! Sweet new release! Thanks a lot. A note on the Spawn Larvae bug: It seems like even a single Queen can spawn larvae multiple times on a single hatchery without waiting the 40 sec. Check out this BO for example: + Show Spoiler +
0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.70: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:25.82: 200M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool
1:33.39: 50M 0G 3L 0E 10/ 18S - Build Drone
1:40.44: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:47.48: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
1:51.00: 25M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Extractor
1:58.40: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
2:21.00: 190M 0G 2L 0E 13/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:21.00: 190M 0G 2L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
2:21.00: 140M 0G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Overlord
2:21.00: 40M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:35.03: 150M 20G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Queen
2:41.28: 50M 28G 1L 0E 16/ 18S - Build Drone
2:58.72: 150M 53G 1L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Roach Warren
3:05.11: 50M 62G 2L 0E 16/ 26S - Build Drone
3:10.92: 50M 70G 1L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Drone
3:18.39: 64M 80G 1L 0E 18/ 26S - Build Drone
3:53.72: 363M 130G 2L 41E 19/ 26S - Build Roach
3:53.72: 288M 105G 1L 41E 21/ 26S - Build Overlord
3:53.72: 188M 105G 0L 41E 21/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:09.48: 355M 127G 1L 25E 21/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:09.48: 355M 127G 1L 0E 21/ 26S - Build Overlord
4:18.39: 349M 139G 1L 5E 21/ 26S - Build Roach
4:18.39: 274M 114G 0L 5E 23/ 26S - Move Drone To Minerals
4:33.39: 442M 125G 1L 13E 23/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 370M 100G 4L 14E 25/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 295M 75G 3L 14E 27/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 220M 50G 2L 14E 29/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 145M 25G 1L 14E 31/ 34S - Build Roach
4:33.72: 70M 0G 0L 14E 33/ 34S - Move Drone To Minerals
4:48.72: 247M 0G 1L 22E 33/ 42S - Build Drone
4:48.72: 197M 0G 0L 22E 34/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
4:48.72: 197M 0G 0L 22E 34/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
4:48.72: 197M 0G 0L 22E 34/ 42S - Move Drone To Gas
4:49.48: 204M 2G 4L 23E 34/ 42S - Build Drone
4:49.48: 154M 2G 3L 23E 35/ 42S - Build Drone
4:49.48: 104M 2G 2L 23E 36/ 42S - Build Drone
4:49.48: 54M 2G 1L 23E 37/ 42S - Build Drone
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
5:06.48: 173M 34G 1L 32E 38/ 42S
Income: 594M 114G
Buildings: 1 Hatchery 1 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 1 Roach Warren
Units: 22 Drone 5 Overlord 1 Queen 7 Roach
Upgrades:
It should be fixed but it isn't a problem since the queen - for whatever reason - just waits until 3:53.72 and 41 Energy to do her inject.
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Sup Carbon12, AcTiVillain again, your friendly SEA forumer.
Regarding the extractor trick, I think the reason why your algorithmn considers it superior is because it may not count the income loss due to the time it takes for the drone moving over to the gas geyser.
Thats what I think, not sure though.
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Another thing, in real game, about Ex trick is that you end up with 4 minerals that you can never spend since every cost is a multiple of 5. So the real cost of Ex trick is more like 10 minerals rather than 6.
Edit: It seems that it has some problems finding the optimal number of drones for the build.
Most of the time it has too few drones and this results in longer BOs.
I think drones must have a better score on the fitness.
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You may already know of this issue, but I wanted to show you the results of my 5 muta build:
10 hatch, 41 extractors, 5:22
I will try to limit them manually. It seems that on larger builds I do not have this issue.
Thanks for all the hard work!
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I just want to point out a small error for the Protoss side, this program thinks the forge costs 200 minerals when it actually costs 150 minerals.
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Wow is this program fast. EV is around 8,00 games a second. This thing is blazing along anywhere from 500,000 to one million games per second!
But I think I found a bug. Hydralisks put in the final column don't seem to work no matter the number, 1, 10 or 100 it stops after making the den?
Also it seems to be much more optimistic in the times vs EC.
For example.
10 Mutas: EC = 8:04 after about 10 minutes VS ZBO 7:37 only about 15 seconds.
7 Roches. EC = 4:46 after a minute VS ZBO = 4:32 almost instantly.
100 Zerglings + metaboost EC= 9:23 after 3 minutes VS ZBO 8:13 after 10 seconds.
Maybe if I let EC run long enough (like overnight) maybe then the numbers would match? Anyway, thanks again for making this awesome program.
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On November 23 2010 22:16 icezar wrote:
Something is wrong here:
i ask for 3 Roach:
0:36.88: 200M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Spawning Pool
1:41.88: 234M 0G 3L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Roach Warren
1:41.88: 84M 0G 3L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:11.88: 121M 0G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
2:11.88: 46M 0G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:11.88: 21M 0G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:36.88: 397M 47G 3L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Roach
2:36.88: 322M 22G 2L 0E 5/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 297M 22G 2L 0E 4/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 272M 22G 2L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:36.88: 247M 22G 2L 0E 2/ 10S - Build Extractor
2:38.20: 241M 25G 2L 0E 1/ 10S - Build Roach
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:38.20: 166M 0G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Move Drone To Gas
2:46.62: 286M 25G 1L 0E 3/ 10S - Build Roach
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:13.62: 596M 103G 2L 0E 5/ 10S
Income: 856M 228G
Buildings: 1 Hatchery 6 Extractor 1 Spawning Pool 1 Roach Warren
Units: 4294967295 Drone 1 Overlord 3 Roach
Upgrades:
I had that happen with early testing and I thought I'd fixed it, but turns out there was another way for it to happen. Anyway, fixed for next version.
On November 24 2010 01:56 Aneon wrote:
Awesome!! Sweet new release! Thanks a lot.
A note on the Spawn Larvae bug: It seems like even a single Queen can spawn larvae multiple times on a single hatchery without waiting the 40 sec. Check out this BO for example:
Yeah, that's in the known issues
On November 24 2010 02:11 AcTiVillain wrote:
Sup Carbon12, AcTiVillain again, your friendly SEA forumer.
Regarding the extractor trick, I think the reason why your algorithmn considers it superior is because it may not count the income loss due to the time it takes for the drone moving over to the gas geyser.
Thats what I think, not sure though.
It already accounts for that - every building has a mineral mining rate penalty for the time it takes to move a drone there. For the extractor trick I think it's 2s, which is the same as building an extractor, but it should be 4 given the time to move there and time to move back to mining.
On November 24 2010 03:18 icezar wrote:
Another thing, in real game, about Ex trick is that you end up with 4 minerals that you can never spend since every cost is a multiple of 5. So the real cost of Ex trick is more like 10 minerals rather than 6.
True, although if you were to cancel other buildings then those minerals wouldn't always be wasted. Either way, not sure I should 'fix' that.
Edit: It seems that it has some problems finding the optimal number of drones for the build.
Most of the time it has too few drones and this results in longer BOs.
I think drones must have a better score on the fitness.
Hmm, I might have to wait for the other issues to be sorted out before investigating this one as it could just be a result of other bugs.
On November 24 2010 06:56 lowlypawn wrote:
Wow is this program fast. EV is around 8,00 games a second. This thing is blazing along anywhere from 500,000 to one million games per second!
But I think I found a bug. Hydralisks put in the final column don't seem to work no matter the number, 1, 10 or 100 it stops after making the den?
Rightio, I'll look into that.
Also it seems to be much more optimistic in the times vs EC.
For example.
10 Mutas: EC = 8:04 after about 10 minutes VS ZBO 7:37 only about 15 seconds.
7 Roches. EC = 4:46 after a minute VS ZBO = 4:32 almost instantly.
100 Zerglings + metaboost EC= 9:23 after 3 minutes VS ZBO 8:13 after 10 seconds.
Maybe if I let EC run long enough (like overnight) maybe then the numbers would match? Anyway, thanks again for making this awesome program.
Yeah, I'd leave EC to run overnight before comparing the results. I know that EC gets a 7RR at 4:40, however I'd be interested to see what time it would get for the build order my app comes up with. I might speak to Lomilar about that so we can compare results. One problem is that EC uses a fixed time build order, so things are built on the second, and if you don't have enough minerals it might wait up to a full second before that unit/building gets built. I can imagine that over ~5 mins that can add up to a few seconds.
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