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On November 19 2010 18:33 CarbonTwelve wrote:A small update again, Zerg support is underway, and here's an example result for the 7 roach rush (7 roaches 1 queen): + Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.84: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:24.84: 191M 0G 3L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:32.32: 200M 0G 2L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool
1:36.26: 25M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Extractor
1:44.41: 50M 0G 3L 0E 10/ 18S - Build Drone
1:51.45: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:58.49: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
2:05.33: 50M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
2:06.26: 7M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:06.26: 7M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:14.41: 62M 11G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
2:37.32: 202M 43G 1L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Queen
2:42.53: 100M 51G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord
2:53.34: 100M 66G 2L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord
3:09.56: 150M 89G 3L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Roach Warren
3:27.32: 149M 113G 3L 25E 16/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:04.56: 469M 166G 3L 21E 16/ 34S - Build Roach
4:04.56: 394M 141G 2L 21E 18/ 34S - Build Roach
4:04.56: 319M 116G 1L 21E 20/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 268M 94G 4L 23E 22/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 193M 69G 3L 23E 24/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 118M 44G 2L 23E 26/ 34S - Build Roach
4:11.26: 77M 25G 1L 25E 28/ 34S - Build Roach
4:11.26: 2M 0G 0L 25E 30/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:38.26: 214M 51G 1L 40E 30/ 34S
Income: 471M 114G
Buildings: You can see it comes up with the same technique as EC comes up with, ie the extractor trick to get a faster pool and the double overlord to avoid getting larva capped. Still a lot to be done though, hopefully will have a release ready by the end of the weekend.
I can`t wait :-))))))))
I tested that build with yabot and from the start i am 5 sec off - this is no problem but if you want to do it 100% realistic i`d say to add a 5 sec delay at the start.
Also i am a little off with the gas. Doing the build exactly i have less gas, i think i end up with 30 gas shorter so the last roach is very delayed.
I will test the gas also in other builds, but it seems to be also not in think with : Haploid`s
Thanks again !!!!
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On November 20 2010 06:30 Treehead wrote:
My exe file says "5.2" - maybe it's not though for some reason?
Edit: I'll try downloading it again when I get home since no one else seems having that issue.
Hmm, strange. Are you sure you didn't have anything else selected? Constant probes maybe?
Personally I get the following with the waypoints you specified:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 57M 0G 39E 11/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:13.89: 75M 0G 15E 11/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:22.52: 58M 0G 20E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:31.19: 75M 0G 25E 12/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:33.85: 96M 0G 2E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:45.19: 142M 0G 8E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
1:51.63: 150M 0G 12E 14/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:59.19: 65M 0G 16E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
1:59.19: 15M 0G 16E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:59.19: 15M 0G 16E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:15.33: 151M 23G 25E 15/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
2:15.90: 155M 23G 0E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:27.24: 209M 39G 7E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
2:27.24: 159M 39G 7E 17/ 18S - Build Assimilator
2:29.10: 100M 42G 8E 17/ 18S - Build Pylon
2:40.19: 102M 57G 14E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
2:56.63: 224M 80G 23E 18/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:56.63: 74M 80G 23E 18/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:57.19: 79M 81G 24E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
2:57.19: 29M 81G 24E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:57.19: 29M 81G 24E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:57.19: 29M 81G 24E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:59.78: 48M 91G 25E 19/ 26S - Chrono Nexus
3:09.38: 125M 125G 5E 19/ 26S - Build Probe
3:21.19: 183M 167G 12E 20/ 26S - Build Probe
3:21.19: 133M 167G 12E 21/ 26S - Build Zealot
3:38.19: 200M 228G 22E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
3:46.63: 238M 259G 26E 24/ 26S - Build Robotics Facility
3:52.89: 100M 181G 30E 24/ 26S - Build Pylon
3:58.12: 50M 200G 33E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
3:58.12: 0M 200G 33E 25/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:59.19: 11M 204G 33E 25/ 26S
Income: 594M 228G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 2 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 22 Probe 1 Zealot
Upgrades:
4:15.12: 176M 264G 42E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
4:17.89: 156M 275G 44E 26/ 34S - Build Sentry
4:51.63: 494M 303G 63E 28/ 34S - Chrono Robotics Facility
4:51.63: 494M 303G 38E 28/ 34S - Build Gateway
4:51.63: 344M 303G 38E 28/ 34S - Build Immortal
4:56.65: 150M 222G 41E 32/ 34S - Build Gateway
4:56.65: 0M 222G 41E 32/ 34S - Move Probe To Minerals
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
4:59.89: 36M 234G 43E 32/ 34S
Income: 672M 215G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 3 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility
Units: 24 Probe 1 Zealot 1 Sentry
Upgrades:
5:05.39: 100M 253G 46E 32/ 34S - Build Pylon
5:09.70: 50M 269G 48E 32/ 34S - Build Sentry
5:36.63: 329M 265G 63E 34/ 42S - Build Immortal
5:51.70: 265M 219G 72E 38/ 42S - Build Sentry
5:51.70: 215M 119G 72E 40/ 42S - Build Pylon
5:51.70: 115M 119G 72E 40/ 42S - Build Pylon
5:56.63: 70M 137G 74E 40/ 42S - Build Sentry
6:16.70: 262M 109G 86E 42/ 50S - Build Zealot
6:31.63: 346M 162G 94E 44/ 58S - Build Immortal
6:31.63: 96M 62G 94E 48/ 58S - Chrono Robotics Facility
6:33.70: 121M 70G 70E 48/ 58S - Build Zealot
6:33.70: 21M 70G 70E 50/ 58S - Move Probe To Gas
6:41.62: 115M 100G 75E 50/ 58S - Build Sentry
6:54.70: 219M 50G 82E 52/ 58S - Build Zealot
6:54.70: 119M 50G 82E 54/ 58S - Build Pylon
7:16.63: 271M 133G 94E 54/ 58S - Build Immortal
7:16.63: 21M 33G 94E 58/ 58S - Chrono Robotics Facility
7:23.35: 100M 59G 73E 58/ 66S - Build Zealot
7:34.25: 128M 100G 79E 60/ 66S - Build Sentry
7:34.25: 78M 0G 79E 62/ 66S - Chrono Gateway
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:35.77: 100M 0G 55E 62/ 66S - Build Zealot
7:41.03: 75M 0G 58E 64/ 66S - Build Assimilator
7:41.03: 0M 0G 58E 64/ 66S - Chrono Gateway
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:45.27: 50M 15G 36E 64/ 66S - Build Probe
7:45.27: 0M 15G 36E 65/ 66S - Chrono Gateway
Waypoint 3 satisfied:
8:02.86: 217M 78G 20E 65/ 66S
Income: 740M 215G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 7 Pylon 3 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility
Units: 25 Probe 6 Zealot 6 Sentry 4 Immortal
Upgrades:
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On November 20 2010 06:39 icezar wrote:
I tested that build with yabot and from the start i am 5 sec off - this is no problem but if you want to do it 100% realistic i`d say to add a 5 sec delay at the start.
Better to find out exactly where the difference is. Have you got a link or something which describes the YABOT format? I've tried looking but couldn't find anything...
Also i am a little off with the gas. Doing the build exactly i have less gas, i think i end up with 30 gas shorter so the last roach is very delayed. I will test the gas also in other builds, but it seems to be also not in think with : Haploid`s
Yep, definitely seems like the gas calc is off. And thanks for that link to Haploid's, didn't know about that one. Will be very handy for testing.
Edit: Also I'm not sure if the larvae timings are off.. You'll see that my app says you've got 2 larvae before the third overlord, but in Haploid's it's 0 after... Good thing his gives the timings of when larvae spawn. I will have to implement printing of events for my app so we can compare.
Edit 2: Ok, I modified the gas calcs to match, and reran the build order, but now the larva timings are off. Still looking into why...
Edit 3: Found the bug - building the overlord wasn't using larva 
Here's what my app comes up with now:
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.84: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord
1:24.84: 191M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:32.32: 200M 0G 2L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool
1:39.89: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone
1:46.64: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone
1:53.01: 50M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone
2:02.00: 73M 0G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
2:02.24: 25M 0G 0L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Extractor
2:17.00: 126M 0G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone
2:37.32: 276M 0G 1L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Queen
2:37.32: 126M 0G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord
2:37.32: 26M 0G 0L 0E 17/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:37.32: 26M 0G 0L 0E 17/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:37.32: 26M 0G 0L 0E 17/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:47.00: 109M 18G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Drone
2:57.61: 150M 39G 0L 0E 18/ 18S - Build Roach Warren
3:27.32: 246M 95G 2L 25E 17/ 26S - Queen Spawn Larva
3:27.32: 246M 95G 2L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Overlord
3:52.61: 363M 143G 3L 14E 17/ 34S - Build Roach
3:52.61: 288M 118G 2L 14E 19/ 34S - Build Roach
3:52.61: 213M 93G 1L 14E 21/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 265M 96G 4L 23E 23/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 190M 71G 3L 23E 25/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 115M 46G 2L 23E 27/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 40M 21G 1L 23E 29/ 34S - Move Drone To Minerals
4:11.16: 75M 26G 1L 25E 29/ 34S - Build Roach
4:11.16: 0M 1G 0L 25E 31/ 34S - Move Drone To Gas
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
4:38.16: 232M 52G 2L 40E 31/ 34S
Income: 516M 114G
Buildings:
And here's the Haploid input;
+ Show Spoiler +10 Extractor Trick
11 Overlord
12 Spawning Pool
15 Extractor
15 Queen
17 Overlord
@0 gas put 3 on gas
18 Roach Warren
17 Spawn Larvae
17 Overlord
17 Roach
19 Roach
21 Roach
23 Roach
25 Roach
27 Roach
@0 gas take 1 off gas
29 Roach
With which Haploid gets a time of 4:36, which is perfectly accounted for by the extra 2s starting time my app uses :D
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i redid the test and your gas calc was perfect 
SORRY for misleading!
It was me using the far extrator, as soon as i try my build with the closer extractor i am in perfect sync.
Below is the difference in testing it on Steps of War bottom position:
0:02.00: 50M 0G 3L 0E 6/ 10S - Build Drone -2 sec :-((((
0:13.63: 50M 0G 2L 0E 7/ 10S - Build Drone +3sec
0:24.70: 50M 0G 2L 0E 8/ 10S - Build Drone +3sec
0:34.55: 50M 0G 2L 0E 9/ 10S - Build Drone +3sec
0:47.44: 75M 0G 2L 0E 10/ 10S - Extractor Trick Drone
0:59.84: 100M 0G 1L 0E 11/ 10S - Build Overlord +5sec
1:24.84: 191M 0G 3L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone +5sec -2min <- !!!!
1:32.32: 200M 0G 2L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Spawning Pool +5sec
1:36.26: 25M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Extractor +4sec
1:44.41: 50M 0G 3L 0E 10/ 18S - Build Drone
1:51.45: 50M 0G 2L 0E 11/ 18S - Build Drone +5sec
1:58.49: 50M 0G 1L 0E 12/ 18S - Build Drone +4sec
2:05.33: 50M 0G 1L 0E 13/ 18S - Build Drone +3sec
2:06.26: 7M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:06.26: 7M 0G 0L 0E 14/ 18S - Move Drone To Gas
2:14.41: 62M 11G 1L 0E 14/ 18S - Build Drone +4sec +2min <- !!!!
2:37.32: 202M 43G 1L 0E 15/ 18S - Build Queen +5sec -3min -3gas
2:42.53: 100M 51G 1L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord +5sec -3gas
2:53.34: 100M 66G 2L 0E 17/ 18S - Build Overlord +6sec -2gas
3:09.56: 150M 89G 3L 0E 17/ 26S - Build Roach Warren +6sec -1gas
3:27.32: 149M 113G 3L 25E 16/ 34S - Queen Spawn Larva
4:04.56: 469M 166G 3L 21E 16/ 34S - Build Roach +6sec +5min -2gas
4:04.56: 394M 141G 2L 21E 18/ 34S - Build Roach
4:04.56: 319M 116G 1L 21E 20/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 268M 94G 4L 23E 22/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 193M 69G 3L 23E 24/ 34S - Build Roach
4:07.32: 118M 44G 2L 23E 26/ 34S - Build Roach
4:11.26: 77M 25G 1L 25E 28/ 34S - Build Roach +6sec +7min +1gas <----- WOW That is so accurate !!!
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On November 20 2010 06:55 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 06:30 Treehead wrote:
My exe file says "5.2" - maybe it's not though for some reason?
Edit: I'll try downloading it again when I get home since no one else seems having that issue. Hmm, strange. Are you sure you didn't have anything else selected? Constant probes maybe? Personally I get the following with the waypoints you specified: + Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 57M 0G 39E 11/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:13.89: 75M 0G 15E 11/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:22.52: 58M 0G 20E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:31.19: 75M 0G 25E 12/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:33.85: 96M 0G 2E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:45.19: 142M 0G 8E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
1:51.63: 150M 0G 12E 14/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:59.19: 65M 0G 16E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
1:59.19: 15M 0G 16E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
1:59.19: 15M 0G 16E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:15.33: 151M 23G 25E 15/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
2:15.90: 155M 23G 0E 15/ 18S - Build Probe
2:27.24: 209M 39G 7E 16/ 18S - Build Probe
2:27.24: 159M 39G 7E 17/ 18S - Build Assimilator
2:29.10: 100M 42G 8E 17/ 18S - Build Pylon
2:40.19: 102M 57G 14E 17/ 18S - Build Probe
2:56.63: 224M 80G 23E 18/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:56.63: 74M 80G 23E 18/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:57.19: 79M 81G 24E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
2:57.19: 29M 81G 24E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:57.19: 29M 81G 24E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:57.19: 29M 81G 24E 19/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
2:59.78: 48M 91G 25E 19/ 26S - Chrono Nexus
3:09.38: 125M 125G 5E 19/ 26S - Build Probe
3:21.19: 183M 167G 12E 20/ 26S - Build Probe
3:21.19: 133M 167G 12E 21/ 26S - Build Zealot
3:38.19: 200M 228G 22E 23/ 26S - Build Probe
3:46.63: 238M 259G 26E 24/ 26S - Build Robotics Facility
3:52.89: 100M 181G 30E 24/ 26S - Build Pylon
3:58.12: 50M 200G 33E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
3:58.12: 0M 200G 33E 25/ 26S - Move Probe To Gas
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:59.19: 11M 204G 33E 25/ 26S
Income: 594M 228G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 2 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 22 Probe 1 Zealot
Upgrades:
4:15.12: 176M 264G 42E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
4:17.89: 156M 275G 44E 26/ 34S - Build Sentry
4:51.63: 494M 303G 63E 28/ 34S - Chrono Robotics Facility
4:51.63: 494M 303G 38E 28/ 34S - Build Gateway
4:51.63: 344M 303G 38E 28/ 34S - Build Immortal
4:56.65: 150M 222G 41E 32/ 34S - Build Gateway
4:56.65: 0M 222G 41E 32/ 34S - Move Probe To Minerals
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
4:59.89: 36M 234G 43E 32/ 34S
Income: 672M 215G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 3 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility
Units: 24 Probe 1 Zealot 1 Sentry
Upgrades:
5:05.39: 100M 253G 46E 32/ 34S - Build Pylon
5:09.70: 50M 269G 48E 32/ 34S - Build Sentry
5:36.63: 329M 265G 63E 34/ 42S - Build Immortal
5:51.70: 265M 219G 72E 38/ 42S - Build Sentry
5:51.70: 215M 119G 72E 40/ 42S - Build Pylon
5:51.70: 115M 119G 72E 40/ 42S - Build Pylon
5:56.63: 70M 137G 74E 40/ 42S - Build Sentry
6:16.70: 262M 109G 86E 42/ 50S - Build Zealot
6:31.63: 346M 162G 94E 44/ 58S - Build Immortal
6:31.63: 96M 62G 94E 48/ 58S - Chrono Robotics Facility
6:33.70: 121M 70G 70E 48/ 58S - Build Zealot
6:33.70: 21M 70G 70E 50/ 58S - Move Probe To Gas
6:41.62: 115M 100G 75E 50/ 58S - Build Sentry
6:54.70: 219M 50G 82E 52/ 58S - Build Zealot
6:54.70: 119M 50G 82E 54/ 58S - Build Pylon
7:16.63: 271M 133G 94E 54/ 58S - Build Immortal
7:16.63: 21M 33G 94E 58/ 58S - Chrono Robotics Facility
7:23.35: 100M 59G 73E 58/ 66S - Build Zealot
7:34.25: 128M 100G 79E 60/ 66S - Build Sentry
7:34.25: 78M 0G 79E 62/ 66S - Chrono Gateway
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:34.25: 78M 0G 54E 62/ 66S - Move Probe To Minerals
7:35.77: 100M 0G 55E 62/ 66S - Build Zealot
7:41.03: 75M 0G 58E 64/ 66S - Build Assimilator
7:41.03: 0M 0G 58E 64/ 66S - Chrono Gateway
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:41.03: 0M 0G 33E 64/ 66S - Move Probe To Gas
7:45.27: 50M 15G 36E 64/ 66S - Build Probe
7:45.27: 0M 15G 36E 65/ 66S - Chrono Gateway
Waypoint 3 satisfied:
8:02.86: 217M 78G 20E 65/ 66S
Income: 740M 215G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 7 Pylon 3 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility
Units: 25 Probe 6 Zealot 6 Sentry 4 Immortal
Upgrades:
It does say 5.2 but I realized my final build was in the waypoint 3 section and not the target - i must have had something funky in there. My mistake.
Can't wait for the zerg one, I'd like to test out the timing of some potential counters to that build in PvZ.
Also, i had warpgate researched and Ground Weapons 1 - so the output is a bit different, but happens on a similar timeframe.
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Anyway to make a priority system? One issue the programme has is it optimises the build to make buildings before units, which means any early rush destroys alot of the builds, even if its just a few units, it would be nice to be able to say for example
20 probes
3 stalkers
3 gates
+1 Armour
And have stalkers ticked as "priority" so they get out before the forge begins
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Also an idea for a change would be simplified listings, or a "turn probe off" function so it just gives the supply number for each significant structure or unit instead of a big list of "build probes"
:D just a suggestion
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On November 20 2010 09:37 Treehead wrote:
It does say 5.2 but I realized my final build was in the waypoint 3 section and not the target - i must have had something funky in there. My mistake.
That shouldn't matter actually. It treats all the waypoints & target exactly the same.
I know, but a lot of people want to compare the programs, plus the Zerg stuff is already half done. Will be much quicker to finish the Zerg off for those who want to use it than do all of Terran.
On November 20 2010 11:38 Frack wrote:
Anyway to make a priority system? One issue the programme has is it optimises the build to make buildings before units, which means any early rush destroys alot of the builds, even if its just a few units, it would be nice to be able to say for example
20 probes
3 stalkers
3 gates
+1 Armour
And have stalkers ticked as "priority" so they get out before the forge begins
If you want that then just use a waypoint set with an earlier target and have the stalkers done.
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On November 20 2010 11:38 Frack wrote:
Anyway to make a priority system? One issue the programme has is it optimises the build to make buildings before units, which means any early rush destroys alot of the builds, even if its just a few units, it would be nice to be able to say for example
20 probes
3 stalkers
3 gates
+1 Armour
And have stalkers ticked as "priority" so they get out before the forge begins
I know that CarbonTwelve just addressed this, but I have tried to use waypoints to separate out probes and units before continuing with a build, but it still prioritizes the buildings in waypoint 3 over waypoint 2. It was odd, and if you need I can try to reconstruct the build order (I didn't save it at the time).
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm saying that I'm having the same problem as Frack and that waypoints doesn't necessarily fix it.
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waypoints seem to fix that problem for me. I have earlier waypoints with units so that i can defend, and then i have a further waypoint with the expansion.
Also, it would greatly help if you put in your "targets" and program output.
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Great work CarbonTwelve. This program is amazing, with a few of those changes you're looking to implement, it looks like I'm gonna be using this program for a while.
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CarbonTwelve, how many games would you say are required before you can safely stop the app? Or is it better to use time as a factor, as in time since build was last updated? If it's time, how many hours since its last update should you let it run before stopping it?
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19 probes 2 zealots 1 stalker at 3:59, and 26 probes 4 zealots 4 stalkers 2 immortals at 6:33, after 3.2 billion games:
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0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 10S - Build Probe
0:19.00: 73M 0G 10E 7/ 10S - Build Probe
0:36.00: 106M 0G 19E 8/ 10S - Build Probe
0:44.10: 100M 0G 24E 9/ 10S - Build Pylon
0:54.19: 50M 0G 29E 9/ 10S - Build Probe
1:11.19: 107M 0G 39E 10/ 18S - Build Probe
1:24.45: 150M 0G 46E 11/ 18S - Build Gateway
1:32.10: 50M 0G 51E 11/ 18S - Build Probe
1:32.10: 0M 0G 51E 12/ 18S - Chrono Nexus
1:43.43: 87M 0G 32E 12/ 18S - Build Probe
1:48.00: 75M 0G 35E 13/ 18S - Build Assimilator
1:56.10: 67M 0G 39E 13/ 18S - Build Probe
2:05.25: 100M 0G 44E 14/ 18S - Build Pylon
2:13.10: 67M 0G 49E 14/ 18S - Build Probe
2:18.00: 63M 0G 52E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:18.00: 63M 0G 52E 15/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:29.45: 162M 16G 58E 15/ 18S - Build Zealot
2:29.45: 62M 16G 58E 17/ 18S - Move Probe To Gas
2:39.94: 150M 36G 64E 17/ 26S - Build Cybernetics Core
2:46.31: 50M 48G 67E 17/ 26S - Build Probe
3:03.31: 143M 80G 77E 18/ 26S - Build Probe
3:03.31: 93M 80G 77E 19/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:06.07: 118M 86G 54E 19/ 26S - Build Zealot
3:20.31: 149M 113G 62E 21/ 26S - Build Probe
3:23.31: 128M 118G 63E 22/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:31.40: 208M 134G 43E 22/ 26S - Build Stalker
3:31.40: 83M 84G 43E 24/ 26S - Research Warp Gate Transformation
3:37.31: 91M 45G 46E 24/ 26S - Build Probe
3:42.98: 100M 56G 49E 25/ 26S - Build Pylon
3:43.31: 3M 56G 49E 25/ 26S - Chrono Gateway
3:54.31: 113M 77G 31E 25/ 26S - Build Probe
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
3:59.40: 119M 87G 34E 26/ 26S
Income: 672M 114G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 1 Assimilator 2 Pylon 1 Gateway 1 Cybernetics Core
Units: 19 Probe 2 Zealot 1 Stalker
Upgrades:
4:06.66: 200M 101G 38E 26/ 26S - Build Robotics Facility
4:11.40: 50M 10G 40E 26/ 34S - Build Probe
4:28.40: 196M 42G 50E 27/ 34S - Build Probe
4:28.75: 150M 43G 50E 28/ 34S - Build Gateway
4:35.21: 75M 55G 54E 28/ 34S - Build Assimilator
4:45.40: 121M 74G 59E 28/ 34S - Build Probe
4:47.70: 100M 79G 61E 29/ 34S - Build Pylon
5:02.40: 184M 107G 69E 29/ 34S - Build Probe
5:11.66: 257M 124G 74E 30/ 34S - Chrono Robotics Facility
5:11.66: 257M 124G 49E 30/ 34S - Build Immortal
5:18.53: 100M 37G 53E 34/ 42S - Build Zealot
5:18.53: 0M 37G 53E 36/ 42S - Move Probe To Gas
5:22.36: 50M 47G 55E 36/ 42S - Build Probe
5:29.79: 100M 65G 59E 37/ 42S - Build Pylon
5:29.79: 0M 65G 59E 37/ 42S - Move Probe To Gas
5:37.89: 100M 89G 64E 37/ 42S - Build Zealot
5:56.68: 250M 146G 75E 39/ 50S - Build Immortal
5:56.68: 0M 46G 75E 43/ 50S - Convert Gateway To Warp Gate
5:56.68: 0M 46G 75E 43/ 50S - Chrono Robotics Facility
6:06.68: 135M 76G 55E 43/ 50S - Chrono Warp Gate
6:06.68: 135M 76G 30E 43/ 50S - Build Stalker
6:06.68: 10M 26G 30E 45/ 50S - Move Probe To Gas
6:09.81: 50M 37G 32E 45/ 50S - Build Probe
6:15.89: 78M 59G 35E 46/ 50S - Convert Gateway To Warp Gate
6:16.68: 89M 62G 36E 46/ 50S - Chrono Robotics Facility
6:16.68: 89M 62G 11E 46/ 50S - Move Probe To Minerals
6:25.89: 213M 90G 16E 46/ 50S - Build Stalker
6:25.89: 88M 40G 16E 48/ 50S - Move Probe To Gas
6:28.79: 125M 50G 18E 48/ 50S - Build Stalker
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
6:33.79: 67M 18G 20E 50/ 50S
Income: 808M 215G
Buildings: 1 Nexus 2 Assimilator 5 Pylon 2 Warp Gate 1 Cybernetics Core 1 Robotics Facility
Units: 26 Probe 4 Zealot 4 Stalker 2 Immortal
Upgrades: Warp Gate Transformation
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On November 20 2010 23:13 Dionyseus wrote:
CarbonTwelve, how many games would you say are required before you can safely stop the app? Or is it better to use time as a factor, as in time since build was last updated? If it's time, how many hours since its last update should you let it run before stopping it?
It greatly depends on how complicated the build order is. Generally though, I'd say that once the city has been stagnant for more than half of its evolution then it's probably safe to stop as it's either got the best it can get, or at least 99% of the way there. I guess I could provide a visual cue to indicate once it's ready. I'll add that to the ToDo list
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Lol this is so cool, amazing work.
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Eagerly awaiting next version!
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i dont want to sound demanding or anything, you doing a magnificent job but please release Terran version !!, forget zerg, leave it last if you are indeed doing it as zerg already have Evo Chamber
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I would love a terran version as well. I check Lomilar's version and yours every few days in hopes to hear the happy news . Any idea when the other 1/3rd of starcraft lovers will get to enjoy this wonderful program???
Thanks!
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Thanks for the excellent program.
A suggestion for way further down the road, if at all: It would be revealing to visually see your build order in timeline form. For example, each row would be a structure (columns are minutes), and a colored bar would appear in the row when that structure was producing something, with a label on it, such as "Zealot". Maybe a secondary indication for chrono. The idea is to quickly and visually see where you have holes in your build, where structures are idle.
And a question: each line shows how many minerals and gas you have left. This line shows up after each waypoint, but then there is also an "Income" line. What is the difference?
For example...
Waypoint 4 satisfied:
5:05.83: 448M 171G 21E 26/ 26S
Income: 555M 215G
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EPT
