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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
October 24 2010 21:08 GMT
#81
This is a good thread. =3
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Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
October 24 2010 21:16 GMT
#82
I think the problem is that with all the hype surrounding this game, so many new players have come onto the scene (myself included). Once the players who are ignorant and cannot sacrifice their ego to learn have given up, things will settle down again.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 24 2010 21:21 GMT
#83
SC1 was an elitist of a strategy game for the last few years where new players turned away due to either graphics or a monstrous learning curve to actually beat people online.

Now a lot of new people started and this forum is still trying to be the same way it was...

Sorry, you cannot expect that. The only way is to force it through intense moderation, expecting everyone to post perfectly is kinda dumb.... it's like going to a modern warfare board looking for insightful conversations ._.
Tef
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden443 Posts
October 24 2010 21:22 GMT
#84
Of course people agree, but this will continue until all rushes and pushes has an established and thought out counter play that everyone can read about in liquipedia. In the early years of BW there was as many imba threads as it is now in SC2.
Dont fuck up, dont fuck yourself
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
October 24 2010 21:34 GMT
#85
I hope people will actually read this and think about it :o
Mellotron
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States329 Posts
October 24 2010 21:41 GMT
#86
Awesome article, and its all true.
Starcraft player since 1999
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
October 24 2010 21:50 GMT
#87
i agree with most of what you said, every game in sc2 is winnable by better desicions, however i believe the frustrating comes from desroying a natural, or killing 20 workers at little cost to you and still get A-moved, just my 2 cents

good post though
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
October 24 2010 22:00 GMT
#88
I'm new here since the announcement of SC2, but couldn't agree more with the op's message!
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
October 24 2010 22:05 GMT
#89
Yea it's pathetic, let the pros and blizzard figure out the balance. Us diamond through bronze scrubs should be playing to get better/have fun.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
October 24 2010 22:10 GMT
#90
I miss Brood War all of a sudden..
REEBUH!!!
DoA
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)599 Posts
October 24 2010 22:13 GMT
#91
I totally agree with the OP. Man even back when my friends and I played Halo 1 everyone knew the noobs where the ones who blamed their losses on "the controller is bad QQQQ". The real players would discuss map positioning, aiming practice, advantages through movement physics, etc. (sorry for invoking the evil Halo, but it's the best example relating to what we're talking about that I can add. heh. I just carrier rushed in 8 player FFAs in BW)

As far as our SC2 strategy forum here goes, even though things have gone downhill a bit since release I still feel we've got one of the best around. I'm glad this thread is happening now so we can try to reverse the current trend.
I cast, therefore I am.
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
October 24 2010 22:18 GMT
#92
I have no idea what it is, but some of these topics on the front page are killing me inside. Angry face
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
junemermaid
Profile Joined September 2006
United States981 Posts
October 24 2010 22:18 GMT
#93
On October 25 2010 05:02 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2010 04:40 zerglingsfolife wrote:
God damn you Navi


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CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
October 24 2010 22:24 GMT
#94
*Claps*
Most of the Starcraft II community needs to learn to blame themselves, not the game, regardless if the game is balanced or not, new strategies and smarter players go a long way in balancing a game; I feel that often the players are an underused tool for balance. Personally I feel that the mentality of its the game not me! is abundant because the game is new, and many people feel that's a reason to quickly call things imbalanced.
All in all though TL.nets forums are worlds better than the SC2 community forums, if you want to see a bunch of stupid ignorant people complaining about balance, go there!
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
October 24 2010 22:29 GMT
#95
So let me get this straight... I'm in low silver not because the game is imbalanced against the worker rush strategy, but rather because I suck?

I... don't think I can handle this. T_T
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
October 24 2010 22:32 GMT
#96
Thank you for the post. I also only made my account within the past year and do not have many posts... as such I always feel it is best for me to keep my trap shut in regard to some of the less than enlightened posts that are around.

Suggestion for other folks who discovered TL recently: Don't be part of the problem or the correctional team. Just focus on making yourself, your game, and your posts better.
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
October 24 2010 22:37 GMT
#97
On October 25 2010 06:16 Uhh Negative wrote:
I think the problem is that with all the hype surrounding this game, so many new players have come onto the scene (myself included). Once the players who are ignorant and cannot sacrifice their ego to learn have given up, things will settle down again.


Agreed. I think the problem will solve itself eventually, as the more casual players move on to other games. Eventually the SC2 scene will be cloistered as BW was from everyone except fans, and the forum will change. Every forum changes as the subject of the forum goes out of style. I've seen this in the car forums I participate(d) in.

Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
October 24 2010 22:38 GMT
#98
This really needed to be said. I was even considering making a similar post.

At least when someone cried imbalance in BW he was promptly ostracized.
leizar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States55 Posts
October 24 2010 22:40 GMT
#99
Unfortunately, just as the immature Diablo crowd corrupted the World of Warcraft community early on, it seems the World of Warcraft community is now corrupting Starcraft 2. Balance discussions are nearly 100% of any WoW post.
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
October 24 2010 23:30 GMT
#100
On October 25 2010 05:45 TLOBrian wrote:
I personally believe that in a game where 2 players make 0 mistakes, it should be balanced. Currently how the races work, mistakes are less punished by other races, and can be game ending for others. "Auto-lose" is a word I hear thrown around a lot by Zerg players, and I completely agree with them. It's just how the dynamics of the race work.

It's not impossible to win, but it sure is tough when an opponent makes 4-6 major mistakes, you make 1 misclick that costs you a few units, and your opponent steamrolls you because of it in my opinion. I guess that's what you mean though. It's totally my fault that I lose that game, I guess?

I really appreciate the moderator staff and how they handle harassment, and overbearing whine. I just think it would be better if moderators would not be allowed to voice their opinions on balance, or use their opinions on game balance to moderate. It is a complete conflict of interest.


Have you not played BW? Different races are easier/harder to play. Do you feel that way about BW?
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