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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
I'd rather read threads containing the most useless strategies than threads about balance "discussions". | ||
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
My main point isn't that these discussions have validity or are worth having, but rather about that they have existed in the past and will always exist. I just wish it would be less prominent, but what are we to expect? | ||
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
For all you people who find navi annoying enjoy this. | ||
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Sanasante
United States321 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 25 2010 12:13 Comeh wrote: I think the OP has his nostalgia goggles on when making this thread. While I completely agree that imbalance discussions are absolutely ridiculous and out of line for the the most part, you have to remember that there were tons of this in scbw - remember how long the PvZ imbalance thread was? Every time My main point isn't that these discussions have validity or are worth having, but rather about that they have existed in the past and will always exist. I just wish it would be less prominent, but what are we to expect? HAHAHA This is so true!!!! | ||
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Koh
United Kingdom111 Posts
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megagoten
318 Posts
not being new to the internet (or bnet), i was however very impressed with the high quality of posts and discussions upon arrival i'm sorry guys, i don't know what i did wrong, but after i started joining and participating, it seemed to me as if everything just went to hell with most of what OP talked about (imba and such) it's like sports fan who want to GM their team and try to tell what the coach/GM/owner needs to do to win stanley cup/world series/superbowl/(..i'm missing a few sports here) if we were to keep it smart, educated and informative, i think it would not be a bad idea also. grammar and structure please, guys | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Anyway, personally I never post in the "Strategy" section because I KNOW that I'm not knowledgeable enough to give meaningful input about strats, matchups, and balance as a whole. | ||
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
They have two possible explainations for this. 1. Ok I don't have all the answers, I don't know everything, I need to ask for advice and find out the correct way to handle mutas. 2. MUTAS ARE IMBALANCED AND THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY TO BEAT THEM BLIZZARD SUCKS!!. Far, far, far, too many people choose option number 2. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
It is also the state of mind a player must be in, in order to evolve his game and improve his style. This is a fantastic thread and I hope it will have some impact. | ||
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FroTW
United States22 Posts
Still though, nice post | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
lovin the pix ^^ | ||
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Westy
England808 Posts
On October 25 2010 04:19 mahnini wrote: Imbalance doesn't mean something is harder to do than something else, imbalance means something is impossible to do. Wrong Wrong Wrong WRONG! Imbalance means... exactly what it means! In other words, the odds are stacked in someones favour... If two counter tactics (For example, emp bio vs chargelots + storms) have a MASSIVE difference in difficulty to execute (Which they do, emping a bunch of HT's is much easier than trying to storm a constantly moving stimmed bioball with medivacs) then there is an Imbalance. One side has the odds stacked against them. However, when discussing balance you always have to remember difference in skill. For a pro player, there won't be an imbalance there. When you have the ability individually control each templar and keep them at distance from each other, and can always have one eye on the minimap to see when that sneaky ghost starts moving towards your bunch of units, then you are beyond the imbalance. But you have to remember, Starcraft 2 is a game that blizzard want to be enjoyable for ALL skill levels of players. So just because it is possible to beat emp bio balls with HT's, does not mean it is balanced. (P.S. Before someone (And theres always someone) reads this and bursts a blood vessel due to anger at my incompetence, just remember that everything in this post is opinion based, so I am just as much wrong as I am right.) (P.P.S But I'm never wrong  ) | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On October 25 2010 13:23 Westy wrote: Wrong Wrong Wrong WRONG! Imbalance means... exactly what it means! In other words, the odds are stacked in someones favour... If two counter tactics (For example, emp bio vs chargelots + storms) have a MASSIVE difference in difficulty to execute (Which they do, emping a bunch of HT's is much easier than trying to storm a constantly moving stimmed bioball with medivacs) then there is an Imbalance. One side has the odds stacked against them. However, when discussing balance you always have to remember difference in skill. For a pro player, there won't be an imbalance there. When you have the ability individually control each templar and keep them at distance from each other, and can always have one eye on the minimap to see when that sneaky ghost starts moving towards your bunch of units, then you are beyond the imbalance. But you have to remember, Starcraft 2 is a game that blizzard want to be enjoyable for ALL skill levels of players. So just because it is possible to beat emp bio balls with HT's, does not mean it is balanced. (P.S. Before someone (And theres always someone) reads this and bursts a blood vessel due to anger at my incompetence, just remember that everything in this post is opinion based, so I am just as much wrong as I am right.) (P.P.S But I'm never wrong )There is a difference between an imbalanced game because one race can't beat another and imbalanced skill levels. 2 things 1.) If blizzard is doing their job right (whether they are or not is your own opinion) then on the ladder the people will be about your skill and if not it will tell you whether or not you should expect your opponent to win. (favored/slightly favored/even teams) 2.) The thing the op is talking about most likely isn't imbalanced skill level anyway. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On October 25 2010 13:23 Westy wrote: Wrong Wrong Wrong WRONG! Imbalance means... exactly what it means! In other words, the odds are stacked in someones favour... If two counter tactics (For example, emp bio vs chargelots + storms) have a MASSIVE difference in difficulty to execute (Which they do, emping a bunch of HT's is much easier than trying to storm a constantly moving stimmed bioball with medivacs) then there is an Imbalance. One side has the odds stacked against them. However, when discussing balance you always have to remember difference in skill. For a pro player, there won't be an imbalance there. When you have the ability individually control each templar and keep them at distance from each other, and can always have one eye on the minimap to see when that sneaky ghost starts moving towards your bunch of units, then you are beyond the imbalance. But you have to remember, Starcraft 2 is a game that blizzard want to be enjoyable for ALL skill levels of players. So just because it is possible to beat emp bio balls with HT's, does not mean it is balanced. (P.S. Before someone (And theres always someone) reads this and bursts a blood vessel due to anger at my incompetence, just remember that everything in this post is opinion based, so I am just as much wrong as I am right.) (P.P.S But I'm never wrong )Just because strategy X is easier to execute compared to Y doesn't make it imbalanced. There are probably hundreds of scenarios where this applies, to every race. For example, it is easier for toss to reinforce in battle by using warpgates compared to terran having to wait for units to build and make their way to the battle. Is reinforcing easier for toss? I think so. But that doesn't mean anything about that situation is imbalanced. It means that it is a unique, inherent benefit to playing toss. Every race has that. This is the type of post I think the OP was talking about. Just because something may be harder to do (as in your example), doesn't mean anything is imbalanced. It means work on your micro to execute the strategy YOU PICKED. You could have used colossus and/or immortals + gateway units and done pretty well too. And that army composition requires significantly less micro to be effective compared to chargelots and HT. Also, I know my micro lacks; so while I work on that outside of ladder games, I base my build and choose units that I can control properly and don't require a lot of micro. There is nothing wrong with using different, less micro intensive units if your micro isn't good enough to execute that particular strategy. You have two options in your original example: 1. Get better with that unit composition or 2. Use different units. I know for a fact, chargelots + storm isn't the only way to beat bio + emp. If you KNOW the pros can do it and it works and that is the strategy that you want to use, then practice until you can use it right. Otherwise, do something different. | ||
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