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sva
United States749 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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Hectic
Australia159 Posts
As far as im concerned, the strat forums have always been garbage, for the simple reason that it's full of people who need help with strategy as opposed to people who are great at strategy (who are probably practicing instead of reading your posts). As far as imbal discussion is concerned, it's only natural since blizzard is in the process of changing the game frequently. The reason no one complained about imbalance in broodwar (apart from it being very balanced) is because the game has not been balance patched in many years; it's been obvious for a long time that broodwar is 'job complete' as a game. My advice is unless you want mindless entertainment and have time to burn, dont visit the strategy forums, and instead spend your time playing or watching top players play. I gave up on the strategy forum looong before sc2... What the strategy forum needs is a reccomended threads page and some stickied and archived guides (like the broodwar forums). It's no wonder there's an excess of rubbish posts when newcomers cannot easily find a few simple guides at the top of the first page. People are probably more likely to make bad posts when they are not provided with the most basic and simple information (such as attitude and approach to learning the game). The constant moderation is great, but without substantial content you're just repeatedly flushing the toilet instead of polishing the daimond. Maybe there needs to be more people (top players and good writers) willing to contribute (for free). Unfortunately for new players, good written content is probably harder to find than it used to be, because people are trying to make money off it now. Ironically this post is just a thread full of people complaining about people complaining which curiously, I find even more disturbing. Bottom line is if this place is going to be useful to anyone, some useful posts and guides need to be made and stickied. Telling people not to be dumb doesn't really work. | ||
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Hectic
Australia159 Posts
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Orange Dream
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On October 28 2010 22:30 Hectic wrote: What the strategy forum needs is a reccomended threads page and some stickied and archived guides (like the broodwar forums). It's no wonder there's an excess of rubbish posts when newcomers cannot easily find a few simple guides at the top of the first page. Obviously you haven't heard about liquipedia. You seem to have also missed the stickies, "How to improve" and "recommended threads." Don't make sweeping generalizations about the strategy forum being bad when you obviously haven't seen very much of TL. Edit: To be fair, you did say "like the broodwar forums." However, liquidpedia for sc2 still exists. The reason there aren't threads like that in SC2 strat forums is because the good people haven't made them yet. You can't expect perfect guides while the game is still changing and they shouldn't be required for new players. On October 28 2010 22:30 Hectic wrote: How can you expect people not to complain about silly things when they are not provided with the most basic and simple information (such as attitude and approach to learning the game). Why are people without the "most basic and simple information" complaining? How is that our fault? On October 28 2010 22:30 Hectic wrote: The constant moderation is great, but without substantial content you're just repeatedly flushing the toilet instead of polishing the daimond. Maybe there needs to be more people (top players and good writers) willing to contribute (for free). Unfortunately for new players, good written content is probably harder to find than it used to be, because people are trying to make money off it now. TL has always had fantastic free content. We have a community of great players who often contribute great things. Great players such as nony and ret have posted in threads, been on TL:Attack, and the replay analysis videos. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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Mintastic
United States166 Posts
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Hectic
Australia159 Posts
On October 29 2010 00:04 Durak wrote: Obviously you haven't heard about liquipedia. You seem to have also missed the stickies, "How to improve" and "recommended threads." Don't make sweeping generalizations about the strategy forum being bad when you obviously haven't seen very much of TL. Edit: To be fair, you did say "like the broodwar forums." However, liquidpedia for sc2 still exists. The reason there aren't threads like that in SC2 strat forums is because the good people haven't made them yet. You can't expect perfect guides while the game is still changing and they shouldn't be required for new players. Why are people without the "most basic and simple information" complaining? How is that our fault? TL has always had fantastic free content. We have a community of great players who often contribute great things. Great players such as nony and ret have posted in threads, been on TL:Attack, and the replay analysis videos. I'm not an idiot, i know about all the resources on TL, but alot of new people dont. There's currently nothing to point new players in the right direction when they click on "SC2 Strategy" and all they see is a bunch garbage posts to guide them. my whole point was that it needs more resources, like the broodwar forums did. Even a link to liquipedia. If i was new i probably wouldn't even bother to click on liquipedia. The only reason TL has even been good is because of these things, not because people whinge about bad posters. anyways, good work for trying to shutdown someone with some suggestions. I guess in the end complaining about bad posters is really what makes everything work out in the end. | ||
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Dwar3xwar
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
tl;dr: listen before speaking/posting, and you'll probably learn more | ||
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orcslayermac
United States138 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On October 28 2010 22:30 Hectic wrote: What the strategy forum needs is a reccomended threads page and some stickied and archived guides This is exactly what we need. I think this would be a great addition. Are there any plans for this in the works? Also, I agree that people need to calm down a little bit with the QQ, the game isn't perfect but it's damn balanced for it's infancy. | ||
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On October 29 2010 22:55 Tump wrote: This is exactly what we need. I think this would be a great addition. Are there any plans for this in the works? Also, I agree that people need to calm down a little bit with the QQ, the game isn't perfect but it's damn balanced for it's infancy. This. And I think we need some stickied threads that address the typical newb concerns that show up all the time (random examples): - how to play against early marauders by Huk and Haypro - how to play against 4gate by Jinro - what are the strengths of my race by TLO These would of course be mandatory to read before posting. And nicely put mahnini! | ||
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Yeld
Austria106 Posts
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KiLmer
Norway39 Posts
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
Fortunately, from time to time, you can find some nice gems of advices, but it's hard to find them but most of the time, it's some random rants. Give the game some time, it's not because today you have hard time dealing with a strategy that you won't counter it later. In my clan, I'am the only one who were there during sc1 and I keep telling to my mates, who feel desperate about a strat, to try something else, refine it and make a conclusion after that. The process of balancing is often the desire of the player to win the game while playing with his comfortable build order. It's like the controversy reaper vs Zerg before patch. At first, on the one hand I was like "ok reapers are OP, I can't win vs them". On the other hand, I was thinking, "dammit, some good players can win vs reapers so I must do it too, I must learn how to do that" instead of thinking i'm too good to be beat . Too often you see in the strategy forum someone asking for a help and he doesn't even want to listen answers he got... Balancing and Understanding the game are two very different things that are mixed up in the strategy. It's too hard to be at the same time the judge and the attorney. When you play SC, you need to think twice, test a lot of timings/bo/army composition, refinining everything you can before stating anything. Starcraft 1 showed us that, even after many years of progaming, there were still a lot of misconceptions and things to learn. The vast majority of the players can't judge the balance of the game, that's a fact, only a large sample at a high can show some imbalances in my humble opinion. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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