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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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GIMJ
Canada46 Posts
On October 26 2010 23:22 awesomoecalypse wrote: I think TL should have a rule. If you talk about balance in a thread that is not specifically about balance, you get warned. If you do it twice, you get temp banned. Keep doing it, get permabanned. This applies to *any* thread that is not specifically about balance. So if your fav player in GSL goes down and you crap up the thread with "imba imba" bs, you get warned or banned. If someone makes a thread asking for help dealing with PFs in the start forum and you respond, "PFs are imba and Blizzard never should have put them in the game" you get warned or banned. If someone makes a random thread in the General forum about, I dunno, the differences in economy between the races and you respond, "Zerg are broken spwan larva is imba", you get warned or banned. The ONLY place balance discussion should be allowed are threads that are specifically about balance to begin with. And the ONLY threads that are specifically about balance that should be allowed are: Those made by pro level players. Not, "I'm a 1000 point diamond so when I lose its not my fault" players. I mean, if HuK or IdrA want to come on and make an informed argument relating to balance, I think that has some value. or Those that include some actual news or valuable insight. If someone has access to useful stats about difference racial matchups, for example. Or the thread that exists right now discussing the Blizzcon panel's comments on PvT balance. If there is some *actual* news as it relates to balance, that merits a thread. And thats it. I don't think average or terribad (which includes the vast majority of diamond) players should make threads giving their opinions on balance. If they do, the threads should be closed right away. I agree with this 100%. It is really frustrating when half the threads on TL get derailed because one person makes a comment about balance that has nothing to do with the OP and then the floodgates are loosed and everyone has to have there say about the latest imba race. I think that especially in the Strategy forum there should be a zero tollerance policy for balance complaints. It is there to discuss strategis not the state of balance in the game. It is not possible to discuss ways to overcome difficulties when every second post someone is complaining about how the difficulty is actually an imbalance. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 26 2010 23:28 GIMJ wrote: I agree with this 100%. It is really frustrating when half the threads on TL get derailed because one person makes a comment about ballance that has nothing to do with the OP and then the floodgates are loosed and everyone has to have there say about the latest imba race. yeah, marauders are overpowered all right | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
On October 26 2010 19:23 redtooth wrote: do you know what it is? it's the rating system between BW and SC2. i'm not kidding you. for example: in BroodWar: - you worked hard, actually "practicing" build orders over an over again, using a stopwatch to optimize your timings and speed, finding partners willing to do the same matchup with the same strategy over and over again. you analyze your own replays, particularly the ones that you lost despite how frustrating it is. you memorize the entirety of liquipedia including other race's build orders and timings to understand the matchups better. - finally after 6 months you get promoted to D+. after a few more weeks you finally get a shiny yellow C-. you think you are good but you realize there are a thousand koreans that are B and above that is unreachable for you, not to mention the fact that there is an entire proscene that is unreachable for the aforementioned koreans. you are humbled. - your friends ask you what rank you are in iccup. you say C-. they laugh at how bad you are. you are humbled. in Starcraft 2: - you played 5 placement matches and ezpk'd them all. you get placed into Platinum and quickly get promoted to Diamond in 1 day despite not knowing how to macro or any of the build orders. luckily for you, your opponents are even worse. - you are placed in a new division and bonus pool lets you climb the ladder and get to a point where you are "mid-high diamond". you climbed 100 points in 1 day, extrapolate that you can climb 1000 points in 10 days, 2000 points in 20 days. you think you will be on top of ladder in no time at all. you are not humbled. - your casual copper RL friends ask you what rank you are. you say "TOP 10 DIAMOND DIVISION". they are impressed. you are not humbled. I totaly agree with you. So the game is not bad it's only how b.net 2.0 work and all new people who join the community (I don't say every one but mostly new in the starcraft history, at least competitive) | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
On October 26 2010 23:22 awesomoecalypse wrote: If you talk about balance in a thread that is not specifically about balance, you get warned. If you do it twice, you get temp banned. Keep doing it, get permabanned. This applies to *any* thread that is not specifically about balance. Absolutely agree with this, the only way to make internet forums work is by carrying a big stick. Asking nicely doesn't work, because people don't read the requests, or don't think it applies to them, or just plain decide that "just this once" wont hurt (except when 1000 people post about it "just this once" it becomes a crap flood). | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 26 2010 23:27 HeadhunteR wrote: when iccup has its own sc2 ladder i will return to the BW form... now its like US/east...full fo guys who think certain units are imbalanced instead of trying to improve themselves. This will never happen | ||
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Dugrok
Canada377 Posts
Really, the discussion that went around on the strat forums in the BW days is what brought me here. Even though I didn't post because I knew practically the entirety of the forums was higher up than me then, I still read the discussion in order to find elements of strategy I hadn't thought about before. Reading 10 pages of «Nerf marauders» just really doesn't do it for me though... Maybe, and I might be totally wrong, but just maybe, opening a «balance discussion» section might help get the whiners out of the strat section..? Edit: Also, the Navi pic was in good taste. That's what brought me to the thread.  | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
On October 26 2010 23:41 Dugrok wrote: Maybe, and I might be totally wrong, but just maybe, opening a «balance discussion» section might help get the whiners out of the strat section..? I've seen a lot of internet forums try the "lets just move the crap to the crap section" idea and all it does is give you a section full of crap on top of the crap you already had. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 26 2010 23:42 Shakes wrote: I've seen a lot of internet forums try the "lets just move the crap to the crap section" idea and all it does is give you a section full of crap on top of the crap you already had. So true ![[image loading]](/staff/Plexa//blogs.jpg) | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On a more related note, SOME of the pro-gamers aren't the best examples, if they complain about imbalance than the aver.."casual" gamer will do the same. Blizzard's resignation into appeasing this "casual" group that they have tagged....all stems from WoW nonsense...but I won't go into that. Agreed Redtooth, it's this sense of false pride the SC2 Ladder system maintains. If your rank 1 of your division, you think your a hotshot. If you lose, clearly it's a failure on behalf of blizzards balance team not yours, or perhaps you just got unlucky.(list of excuses goes on) | ||
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FALAPARK
United States224 Posts
when i lose i blame it on luck, i dont come here and post useless posts!! Good Job oP! YOU ARE IMBALANCE MAN! | ||
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Koh
United Kingdom111 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
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funk100
United Kingdom172 Posts
so blizzard for F*CKs sake, nerf marauders and all of this can stop. | ||
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SetStndbySmn
United States657 Posts
It's sortof interesting to see the different categories of 'knee-jerk' reaction people fall into when whining about supposed imbalance. There are the people who get frustrated over specific units feeling too powerful in their specific roles- i.e. marauders / mutas / voids / etc. Then there's players who could care less how much marauder-guy can benchpress, but halt constructiveness when they feel there's some fundamental design flaw- such as hating zerg macro potential, or terran flexibility, or early toss warpgate aggression, and so on. I have a lot of respect for people who honestly have a knee-jerk reaction to think "wow I got owned by something really cool! I want to practice how to use and beat that!", while throwing out a 'gg wp' when they lose. In fact, this is a huge reason I admire day9. I'd say I have a tendancy to fall victim to the second form of frustration mentioned, but I'm trying to get better at taking off my design hat. I'm pretty good about not posting nerdrage, but sometimes I need to take a bit before I can assess a replay of a loss with a level head xD. | ||
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MurdeR
Argentina89 Posts
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DeseaseR
46 Posts
So damn agree,also nice post so acurate, since SC2 release the "SC2 general"and "SC2 Strategy" forum is full of How to deal with... or how to stop the... diferent post asking the same, whatever at least now I know how to deal against banshee Lol | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
awesome post! great idea and well phrased. GJ | ||
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AZbadfish
United States56 Posts
I'll be honest with you guys, I used to play WoW. Please don't hate me, I swear I only did it because I started in college and it was easier to just sit around mindlessly killing AI mobs in between studying. I grew up playing the original Warcraft titles and Starcraft (though I admit never competitively and never had broodwar). I only say this so you don't write me off completely, I love the hell out of Starcraft 2 and if I never play WoW again I'll be a happy dude. Anywho, I wanted to say that a lot of this will pass when the next big game comes out. Right now, especially because the game is so new, it's a kind of flavor-of-the-month deal. A lot of people who don't want to seriously play the game are trying it out, maybe it's their first RTS, and when they don't understand why all their marines just died to a collosus they cry imba. But they had way more marine than that one collosus, obviously imba right? I hope this post does more than just get bumped back to the top occasionally. There's some good ideas in here and I would hate to see this board turn into the official WoW forums where it's nothing but complaining about how imbalanced everything is. While those threads help me because I can read the replies about how it's actually not imba and you should have done X, Y, and Z instead of just losing your whole effin' base, I don't like how many there have been lately. Anyways, back to my corner I go. PS - Navi! <3 | ||
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