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Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
April 17 2011 04:51 GMT
#541
Absolutely loved the tsl games today, they're a must see!
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 17 2011 08:05 GMT
#542
I have some comments on episode 23. The reason why Tyler and TLO have personal sponsorships for MLG is because they are fan favourites. From a sponsors point of view it makes sense to sponsor popular players.Tyler is my favourite bw player and next time I buy gum I will look for Stride gum because they sponsored him. If they had sponsored Naniwa I wouldn't bother, because I had never heard of the guy before the latest MLG.

Don't stop telling stories about sluts, that is my favourite part of your show. That half hour on the blow job slut was so fucking hilarious. I loved it. More stories like that please. The haters are probably just little nerdy virgins who are jealous that you guys get ass and they don't.

One thing I really didn't like and almost had me stop listening to you guys is when you described how big of cry babies you are on the ladder and how you bm people if they dont play the game the way you think the game should be played. 4gate is a part of the game, except that.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
April 17 2011 16:33 GMT
#543
Similar to mastermind i was going to say the reason TLO and Tyler got personal sponserships is because they are popular. Look at basketball, people like lebron james and dwayne wade will get more sponserships while Rhodes wins MVP, it has every thing to do with popularity.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
April 17 2011 19:13 GMT
#544
On April 17 2011 17:05 Mastermind wrote:
I have some comments on episode 23. The reason why Tyler and TLO have personal sponsorships for MLG is because they are fan favourites. From a sponsors point of view it makes sense to sponsor popular players.Tyler is my favourite bw player and next time I buy gum I will look for Stride gum because they sponsored him. If they had sponsored Naniwa I wouldn't bother, because I had never heard of the guy before the latest MLG.

Don't stop telling stories about sluts, that is my favourite part of your show. That half hour on the blow job slut was so fucking hilarious. I loved it. More stories like that please. The haters are probably just little nerdy virgins who are jealous that you guys get ass and they don't.

One thing I really didn't like and almost had me stop listening to you guys is when you described how big of cry babies you are on the ladder and how you bm people if they dont play the game the way you think the game should be played. 4gate is a part of the game, except that.

except that what?? Lol j/k

I agree with the ladder crying being unnecessary, use your team to practice builds that are annoying until you can crush them and end the game with a manner ""

"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
RxBorG
Profile Joined July 2010
United States505 Posts
April 17 2011 19:48 GMT
#545
Lol ouch. Or we can all just play like men
[QUOTE][B]On June 27 2011 03:31 insult wrote:[/B] Haypro hasn't been doing well lately, but when he's in good form he's definitely among the top 10 swedish zerg players. [b][red]User was temp banned for this post.[/red][/b][/QUOTE]
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 21:29:44
April 17 2011 21:23 GMT
#546
On April 18 2011 01:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Similar to mastermind i was going to say the reason TLO and Tyler got personal sponserships is because they are popular. Look at basketball, people like lebron james and dwayne wade will get more sponserships while Rhodes wins MVP, it has every thing to do with popularity.


Except Dwyane Wade has won a championship and Lebron James was the most hyped player of all time when he was coming out of highschool due to his raw physical talent and not only did he live up to his expectations he surpassed them, oh and he's also won two back-to-back MVP awards.

i.e. they've produced results in their sport and have earned their sponsorships.

I have no idea who Rhodes is and spent a good twenty minutes trying to figure out who you were talking about. Best I got was Rodrick Rhodes, some guy who played four seasons in the late 90's for three different teams, Charles Rhodes who was waived after being drafted, and some shit from WWE... lol.

edit: I'm not dumb. I understand WHY they got sponsorships; their popularity. The point I guess I was trying to make was why are they popular when they haven't really done anything. To use your analogy, Starcraft isn't like the NBA where only one player/team can win a championship. There are plenty of tournaments and events (so much that it's impossible to keep up with) for players to win and neither of them have done so despite having so many opportunities. I guess I just care more about how good they are as opposed to whether or not their stream is entertaining or that they act like gentlemen on a forum. I'm in the minority, I know that.
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A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
April 17 2011 21:42 GMT
#547
On April 18 2011 06:23 last light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 01:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Similar to mastermind i was going to say the reason TLO and Tyler got personal sponserships is because they are popular. Look at basketball, people like lebron james and dwayne wade will get more sponserships while Rhodes wins MVP, it has every thing to do with popularity.


Except Dwyane Wade has won a championship and Lebron James was the most hyped player of all time when he was coming out of highschool due to his raw physical talent and not only did he live up to his expectations he surpassed them, oh and he's also won two back-to-back MVP awards.

i.e. they've produced results in their sport and have earned their sponsorships.

I have no idea who Rhodes is and spent a good twenty minutes trying to figure out who you were talking about. Best I got was Rodrick Rhodes, some guy who played four seasons in the late 90's for three different teams, Charles Rhodes who was waived after being drafted, and some shit from WWE... lol.

edit: I'm not dumb. I understand WHY they got sponsorships; their popularity. The point I guess I was trying to make was why are they popular when they haven't really done anything. To use your analogy, Starcraft isn't like the NBA where only one player/team can win a championship. There are plenty of tournaments and events (so much that it's impossible to keep up with) for players to win and neither of them have done so despite having so many opportunities. I guess I just care more about how good they are as opposed to whether or not their stream is entertaining or that they act like gentlemen on a forum. I'm in the minority, I know that.

Fuck when they talk about Dereck ROSE on pti i thought his name was rhodes, im a idiot but my point still stands.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
April 17 2011 21:45 GMT
#548
On April 18 2011 06:42 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:23 last light wrote:
On April 18 2011 01:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Similar to mastermind i was going to say the reason TLO and Tyler got personal sponserships is because they are popular. Look at basketball, people like lebron james and dwayne wade will get more sponserships while Rhodes wins MVP, it has every thing to do with popularity.


Except Dwyane Wade has won a championship and Lebron James was the most hyped player of all time when he was coming out of highschool due to his raw physical talent and not only did he live up to his expectations he surpassed them, oh and he's also won two back-to-back MVP awards.

i.e. they've produced results in their sport and have earned their sponsorships.

I have no idea who Rhodes is and spent a good twenty minutes trying to figure out who you were talking about. Best I got was Rodrick Rhodes, some guy who played four seasons in the late 90's for three different teams, Charles Rhodes who was waived after being drafted, and some shit from WWE... lol.

edit: I'm not dumb. I understand WHY they got sponsorships; their popularity. The point I guess I was trying to make was why are they popular when they haven't really done anything. To use your analogy, Starcraft isn't like the NBA where only one player/team can win a championship. There are plenty of tournaments and events (so much that it's impossible to keep up with) for players to win and neither of them have done so despite having so many opportunities. I guess I just care more about how good they are as opposed to whether or not their stream is entertaining or that they act like gentlemen on a forum. I'm in the minority, I know that.

Fuck when they talk about Dereck ROSE on pti i thought his name was rhodes, im a idiot but my point still stands.


Ha Ha I also googled Rhodes and was like wtf??

That makes more sense <3
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
April 17 2011 22:31 GMT
#549
On April 18 2011 06:42 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:23 last light wrote:
On April 18 2011 01:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Similar to mastermind i was going to say the reason TLO and Tyler got personal sponserships is because they are popular. Look at basketball, people like lebron james and dwayne wade will get more sponserships while Rhodes wins MVP, it has every thing to do with popularity.


Except Dwyane Wade has won a championship and Lebron James was the most hyped player of all time when he was coming out of highschool due to his raw physical talent and not only did he live up to his expectations he surpassed them, oh and he's also won two back-to-back MVP awards.

i.e. they've produced results in their sport and have earned their sponsorships.

I have no idea who Rhodes is and spent a good twenty minutes trying to figure out who you were talking about. Best I got was Rodrick Rhodes, some guy who played four seasons in the late 90's for three different teams, Charles Rhodes who was waived after being drafted, and some shit from WWE... lol.

edit: I'm not dumb. I understand WHY they got sponsorships; their popularity. The point I guess I was trying to make was why are they popular when they haven't really done anything. To use your analogy, Starcraft isn't like the NBA where only one player/team can win a championship. There are plenty of tournaments and events (so much that it's impossible to keep up with) for players to win and neither of them have done so despite having so many opportunities. I guess I just care more about how good they are as opposed to whether or not their stream is entertaining or that they act like gentlemen on a forum. I'm in the minority, I know that.

Fuck when they talk about Dereck ROSE on pti i thought his name was rhodes, im a idiot but my point still stands.


Derrick Rose has taken a 41 win team and put them on his back and made them a 61 win team. He is also hugely popular here in Chicago since he went to high school here. He's also everywhere on TV now doing commercials for Adidas. If you go downtown there are billboards of him along the highway and huge posters of him plastered on buildings. It's also not fair to say that Wade and James have more sponsorships than Rose and use that as an argument when Rose has only been in the league for three years when those two have been in the league for eight.
Team SCV Life #1
RxBorG
Profile Joined July 2010
United States505 Posts
April 18 2011 00:07 GMT
#550
All the big name NBA stars have endorsements and shit. I don't think that it's fair if tlo and tyler are the only ones with individual sponsorships out of the whole community if they haven't actually won a tournament since release 8 months ago. tyler got 3rd in the HDH and i think 4th/5th at MLG dallas in 2010. and as for tlo, his 2 wins since release are from tournaments nobody has ever heard of: poker idol sc2 championship, and sc2cast's invitational.

i heard somewhere that kiwikaki has an individual sponsorship and he actually does deserve it. hasn't he been to the mlg finals 2-3 times by now? He's consistently at the top of the NA scene and that's the type of player that deserves a sponsorship. Someone who is consistently getting results, not someone who used to get results and now is just a name.

i still respect the hell out of nony, winning tsl2 will always get him tons of respect and he deserves it. if this was still bw i could understand him getting an individual sponsorship seeing that at the end of the brood war days, he was one of the top performing foreigners.

and I really do like tyler a lot. He's one of my favorite hosts on state of the game, i love his arbiter video, I enjoy his stream (when it's up). He's absolutely one of my favorite personalities in the sc2 community. He's also somewhat like marty and myself where he doesn't sugar coat his criticism of other players. And to be honest, next time I get gum, I will get stride, not because of him necessarily, but because they're supporting SC2 in north america.

Hopefully that clears up my thoughts on the entire issue.
[QUOTE][B]On June 27 2011 03:31 insult wrote:[/B] Haypro hasn't been doing well lately, but when he's in good form he's definitely among the top 10 swedish zerg players. [b][red]User was temp banned for this post.[/red][/b][/QUOTE]
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
April 18 2011 00:13 GMT
#551
On April 18 2011 09:07 Martyandborg wrote:
All the big name NBA stars have endorsements and shit. I don't think that it's fair if tlo and tyler are the only ones with individual sponsorships out of the whole community if they haven't actually won a tournament since release 8 months ago. tyler got 3rd in the HDH and i think 4th/5th at MLG dallas in 2010. and as for tlo, his 2 wins since release are from tournaments nobody has ever heard of: poker idol sc2 championship, and sc2cast's invitational.

i heard somewhere that kiwikaki has an individual sponsorship and he actually does deserve it. hasn't he been to the mlg finals 2-3 times by now? He's consistently at the top of the NA scene and that's the type of player that deserves a sponsorship. Someone who is consistently getting results, not someone who used to get results and now is just a name.

i still respect the hell out of nony, winning tsl2 will always get him tons of respect and he deserves it. if this was still bw i could understand him getting an individual sponsorship seeing that at the end of the brood war days, he was one of the top performing foreigners.

and I really do like tyler a lot. He's one of my favorite hosts on state of the game, i love his arbiter video, I enjoy his stream (when it's up). He's absolutely one of my favorite personalities in the sc2 community. He's also somewhat like marty and myself where he doesn't sugar coat his criticism of other players. And to be honest, next time I get gum, I will get stride, not because of him necessarily, but because they're supporting SC2 in north america.

Hopefully that clears up my thoughts on the entire issue.


Yea me too, I believe a lot of the members of the starcraft community buys the food/merchandise that sponsors our players.
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
April 18 2011 01:30 GMT
#552
Kiwikaki is Canadian, he should be sponsored by beer or maple syrup, but isn't! There's no justice!

As an aside, what's wrong with the Chicago Blackhawks? They suck so bad! lol GO Canucks!!

(I know that after winning last year they had to dump their whole team due to the salary cap, I just like to rub it in )
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
RxBorG
Profile Joined July 2010
United States505 Posts
April 18 2011 18:35 GMT
#553
Lol Murray. Me and Marty don't give a fuck about the hawks, but hey, you're Canadian so I guess you have to take what you can get XD
[QUOTE][B]On June 27 2011 03:31 insult wrote:[/B] Haypro hasn't been doing well lately, but when he's in good form he's definitely among the top 10 swedish zerg players. [b][red]User was temp banned for this post.[/red][/b][/QUOTE]
DARKHYDRA
Profile Joined September 2006
United States303 Posts
April 18 2011 19:28 GMT
#554
About nony and the stride thing, really I just think its a matter of time before he starts doing better in SC2, as good as he was in broodwar. Listening to him on his stream and sotg he definitly has the right mind set to continue to improve.

+ he plays OP protoss
RxBorG
Profile Joined July 2010
United States505 Posts
April 18 2011 22:51 GMT
#555
I hope so, I like him a lot and would really enjoy seeing him have success. Plus if he starts placing higher in foreigner tourneys, maybe the idra vs Tyler rivalry could come back
[QUOTE][B]On June 27 2011 03:31 insult wrote:[/B] Haypro hasn't been doing well lately, but when he's in good form he's definitely among the top 10 swedish zerg players. [b][red]User was temp banned for this post.[/red][/b][/QUOTE]
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 23:10:01
April 18 2011 23:09 GMT
#556
Fair? The sponsors pick a player, the player works to promote the sponsor, you buy or don't buy, end of story.

This is not a game, fair or not fair.
I am not young enough to know everything.
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-18 23:39:48
April 18 2011 23:33 GMT
#557
On April 18 2011 09:07 Martyandborg wrote:
All the big name NBA stars have endorsements and shit. I don't think that it's fair if tlo and tyler are the only ones with individual sponsorships out of the whole community if they haven't actually won a tournament since release 8 months ago. tyler got 3rd in the HDH and i think 4th/5th at MLG dallas in 2010. and as for tlo, his 2 wins since release are from tournaments nobody has ever heard of: poker idol sc2 championship, and sc2cast's invitational.


Endorsements are often done due to popularity. After all, popular people makes better marketing PR reps. TLO said that during MLG a lot of people lined up for his autograph in the Sony booth, but beside him sat a Halo player with no line ups. Maybe he was the best Halo player, but he doesn't seem to be popular.

In the end of the day, what's better for the sponsors is to get popular players. People come to the booths to see popular players. And that's better value for their sponsorship $.

PS: Whose team is "Kel'Morian Bunker Pushers" in Fantasy NASL? I missed being able to see the team owners like the way it was before. My Fake Football Team is at #3 by the end of first week. Still a long way to go.
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 04:22:12
April 19 2011 04:18 GMT
#558
Oh my god people need to stop thinking we don't know how sponsorships work. Why do you think Blake Griffin was doing Subway commercials his rookie year when he got hurt in the pre-season and missed the whole year?

Open the Liquipedia page for the two players we are talking about and you'll see the point I'm trying to make.
Team SCV Life #1
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
April 19 2011 11:24 GMT
#559
Episode 24 is almost 5 hours long?!

<3 at least I know my segment made it this time. (sorry again about 23...)
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
April 19 2011 11:33 GMT
#560
On April 19 2011 13:18 last light wrote:
Oh my god people need to stop thinking we don't know how sponsorships work. Why do you think Blake Griffin was doing Subway commercials his rookie year when he got hurt in the pre-season and missed the whole year?

Open the Liquipedia page for the two players we are talking about and you'll see the point I'm trying to make.


And how do tester get sponsors then?

I am not young enough to know everything.
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