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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
October 17 2010 17:34 GMT
#41
You and Wheat did an awesome job co-casting, Wheat especially.

With reference to the "tahts halo-gate" affair the necessity for sound proofing is obvious but also chatting in games really pissed me off, seemed disrespectful but maybe I'm stuck in the Korean BW mentality.
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 17:50:59
October 17 2010 17:35 GMT
#42
First off, I cannot praise enough the way you've been interacting with the community and I eagerly await an MLG I can attend.

1) As someone who has a very small chance of being able to watch events like these live (and very small patience for any type of delays and issues associated with live anything), please provide timely access to VODs.

Perhaps include VOD access as part of the HD fee like GOM does, so people can pay you ten dollars to either watch it in HD live or to watch it in HD later on as they please. (I'd prefer $5 or so for VODs, but heh)

2) E-Sports
I think one opportunity MLG can capitalize on is that you host many of the most popular and competitive games. I would be really interested in seeing if you can find a way to try and mix these communities together a bit. It seems a bit unfortunate that most people will be interested in MLG for Halo, or for Starcraft, or for Smash, but few people will be interested in more than one.

A challenge with this is most of us are only interested in the games we play, and since these games are spread among several consoles and such, its unlikely. But if MLG took the time to introduce us to other games and their communities and scenes, it could potentially be very exciting.

I really don't have an idea how, but HuK's "don't worry that's for halo" hilariousness made me really want to take an active interest in some of the stuff you guys offer other than Starcraft.

Perhaps a recent Halo game could be casted by Day9 and a figure from the Halo community, introducing the game to us as people who may not have played it, and how to appreciate it and enjoy it as spectators. HuK vs Select Halo: Reach match? For lawlz.

Edit: JWD did a much better Job expressing the same idea on page 2



N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
October 17 2010 17:37 GMT
#43
I see the biggest problem as Halo being the main event....obviously SC2 can bring in the bigger better crowd. We just need more room >.<
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Channel56k
Profile Joined June 2010
United States413 Posts
October 17 2010 17:37 GMT
#44
This has probably been said many a time, but the latency and drop issues are straight-up unacceptable. It really doesn't matter how good blizzard adapts their current system, as long as that system is not LAN there is more room and potential for hiccups.

I honestly feel for QXC, not because he lost, but because he has to think about that game one. Whether he does or not isn't really the point, its that no player should have to be put in that position.
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Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 17:43:03
October 17 2010 17:40 GMT
#45
1) The commentary was excellent. You, Day9 and DJWheat make a good team. (Please invite them back for Dallas)

2) The delay for Day 1 was very bad. Although potential failure like this is understandable, its really fustrating to viewers that they are not updated on what is going on. The only update we were getting was from team liquid twitter and EG during the downtime

3) I am hapy that MLG updated the bitrate for high stream quality. The only problem was the bitrate was not really the problem just the settings. It felt like the settings was more suitable for FPS games than Starcraft which affects video quality. Glad this was fix on day 2

4) For the last 3-4 matches, the games should be play in booths. This matters more for the last few rounds as there were only 1 game played at a time and crowd can affect gameplay

5) I also like the fact that MLG was showing the players and spectator once in a while. I feel that this was missing from IEM in New York which takes away the 'atmosphere'. Props to MLG for doing this

6) Another thing that i feel that needs to improve is the way the competition places are allocated. I do not have a suggestion for this but i feel that competitive place tickets getting sold out in the first 5 minutes is not ideal as a lot of strong players missout as they didnt click the buy button fast enough. Maybe increase even more places or have some sort of qualifiying tourney?

7) I like the double elimination format to give stronger players more chance to qualify. I wouldnt mind a single elim format if the seedings become more stable and if that give a chance for more palyers/place in the tourney

8) Oh another thing, Select 7 match in a row was a bit crazy, maybe should allow players to take 5-10 minute breaks if they have to play x number of match in a row?
:)
TheOGBlitzKrieg
Profile Joined June 2010
United States346 Posts
October 17 2010 17:41 GMT
#46
if possible ON STREAM after each match if we could get a Bracket update ONSCREEN on the stream live... if the commentaters could go over the brackets while they are displayed on the stream not showing the commentaters but the bracket each match by match and show clearly who advances... this would be EXTREMELY helpfull and i feel would make the viewing experience much more enjoyable and give us viewers at home a chance to know whats going on and where our friends that may not be mentioned at all stand in the tournament... i had a buddy playing at MLG DC but i couldn't ever find any info about how he was doing or where he stood in the tourney i had to actually message him in game to find out anything even the bracket links were all messed up... this is my biggest complaint as we just didn't really know what was going on... the commenators did a great job going over them every now and then but not to the full tournaments extent... would be nice if this was displayed on the stream since it seems there's SO MUCH downtime between games actually casted... other than that the games were great, glad to not see a mirror match in the finals this time :D ... one other complaint is the HD pass, during day 1 our HD passholder's stream was the exact same stream as the free one so this was frustrating for people who paid money as well as the stream being delayd over 2 hours... but other than that the event was really great keep up the good work
Bombadur
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark10 Posts
October 17 2010 17:46 GMT
#47
All in all I was greatly entertained by the stream and the event.

The delay on friday was quite a pain however but I guess technical difficulties can overcome us all.

I tried to purchase a HD pass through paypal several times but was unable to do so with only an error message from paypal saying.
"We are unable to handle your purchase at this time" or something similar. Luckily the regular stream was good enough quality to watch just a bit annoying that when I actually wanted to pay I wasn't able to.
Time Flies Death Awaits // Day[9]: "Probes are a lot like popcorn to Banshees, especially if you eat popcorn with MISSILES"
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
October 17 2010 17:46 GMT
#48
Another Suggestion:

I think the casting would benefit from a graphic of the current brackets, showing the match-ups and who won out of how many games, that could pop up on the screen as Day9, Wheat, or you (JP) recap while waiting for the next game.

I only watched the last 5 hours or so, leading the finale. Would be nice to catch up on what happened up to that point. I guess this information was somewhere on the site, but the site was a little confusing to navigate.
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
October 17 2010 17:46 GMT
#49
On October 18 2010 02:37 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I see the biggest problem as Halo being the main event....obviously SC2 can bring in the bigger better crowd. We just need more room >.<


Halo built the MLG. Do you see how many players and teams sign up for it? It's their cash cow. If they had to choose between the 2 they'd drop SC2 in a heartbeat for Halo. SC2 has other competitions. MLG is THE competition for Halo. Do some research man...

My only issue was all the dead air time again. Show repeats or replays of other non-casted matches or something. Just don't leave the camera sitting looking at people talking to generic background music. Fill it with something, have one of the Com's do a bracket run down and talk about the matches, upsets and results. Do some player analysis.. anything. Dead air isn't fun.
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DreamScaR
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada2127 Posts
October 17 2010 17:49 GMT
#50
I had posted this over on the MLG HD Update, but alas I shall post it here since well it is a feedback thread.

I'm not sure if it would be possible at all, I love some of the commercials (the Old Spices ones are still epic).. but for those who have paid for the HD, it would be amazing if at some of the breaks were able to get some behind the scenes footage of people goofing around and just the general area.
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Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
October 17 2010 17:51 GMT
#51
When we had the players meeting at the beginning, 90% of us were sitting in the back unable to hear exactly what was being said. In general I assume a lot of us knew the rules so it wasn't a big deal, but I might recommend arranging the player meeting outside the convention center, in the hall or something. That, or use a microphone

I would issue noise-cancelling headphones to all the players. I know MLG's console atmosphere tends to have people bring their own stuff, and in regards to keyboard/mouse/mousepad I can agree, but without soundproof booths, I think MLG needs to take a little bit more control of that situation. Your fighting games and shooters tend to be extremely fast paced in the sense where, if a caster says something, the information is irrelevent to the teams' temporary strategy (except for counter-strike, where its slow paced.) With Starcraft, though, hearing a blaringly loud announcement is distracting enough (for me anyway)- the potential to hear a caster could damage that tenfold (not that I'm saying anyone casted did.)

Hopefully these issues are within you and your crews' power to work on, even if its a 2011 thing. I know that Starcraft is kind of thrown in to the corner, maybe haphazardly and as an afterthought compared to the other stages, so you did your best with what you had available. I just hope it gets bigger and better!
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Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
October 17 2010 17:53 GMT
#52
- The 2 hour delay was terrible, obviously.

- The Quality was really bad. I believe the main problem was with in game settings, but it was really really bad.

- Brackets were delayed a very long time. I feel that these need to be updated faster, because they really add a lot of hype to matches when you know someone you like will be facing a good player etc.

- I LOVED the fast replay uploads. Please keep this up!

- It's a shame that inControl wasn't able to cast games, the guy is ridiculously funny. Although I can kind of understand since you never know what the guy is gonna say and it could be bad lol.

-The casting was overall much better then in Raleigh. DjWheat was awesome with day9, and it would be great to see him in Dallas.

- Start upgrading for starcraft 2. More computers for players to practice on, bleachers for people to sit etc.
Hold-Lurker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States403 Posts
October 17 2010 17:56 GMT
#53
Really just echoing a lot of what's already been posted:

-Casting: Simply phenomenal. Day9 + JP / Day9 + DJ Wheat worked really well. You guys were all so professional, filled dead time seamlessly, and stayed energetic throughout such a long cast. Without the strength of the casting, I would not have watched the *entire* tournament. I actually preferred JP to DJ Wheat (JP's watched a *ton* of games, it really shows) but both were great complements to Day9.

-Interviews: Great job with these as well - interesting and relevant questions. It's also great for the players to get to shoutout their sponsors and hopefully attracts more corporate sponsorship.

-Match scheduling for Winner's Bracket Semi Finals: Really great to watch both sets of games, excellent job by whoever was deciding matches to shift things around rather than only allow us to watch one game.

-Booths: As discussed ad nauseum, for major games, players really should have soundproof booths if at all possible. The Huk moment was awesome, but I would hope it doesn't become a regular occurrence. It also casts doubt about what players can hear while playing and potentially earhacking which is always unfortunate.
beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
October 17 2010 17:57 GMT
#54
im sure plenty of other people mentioned this but give the players sound canceling headphones or something so the crowd does not give away big things.


RageOverdose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States690 Posts
October 17 2010 17:58 GMT
#55
Try to get some things to spruce up the actual presentation.

Show brackets, player stats, tidbits on a screen of some sort before going into the game.

Sound proof things. Give everyone little ear nubs and sound muffling headsets to go over top of them. Or at least booths. Noise is not a good thing when you are not supposed to see what your opponent is doing.

I know it was golden with the HuK situation (I loved it), but don't let players talk in game anymore, unless maybe it's paused or just to say "GLHF" or "GG". I mean, really, the other player can just ignore it, but no player should have to be distracted by the other player at any point in the game like that.

The stream on the second day was great, but was bad on the first. Glad it was fixed and hopefully it stays that way in Dallas.

I can't really complain about much else. The whole HuK situation could've been avoided had you guys been paying attention to when the game started. Which is another complaint I have, a couple games started with us just looking at the players playing and not the game, plus some sound volume issues. Not big deals, but they really shouldn't happen. When the game starts, we should be watching the game, not anything else, except for maybe interesting crowd tidbits and player emotions, but that's covered in the bottom right anyway. BTW, that bottom right screen you put over the command grid; boring. Nothing seemed to be happening there except extended showings of the players being very concentrated. Why not show the commentators sometimes or switch it up between players more and the crowd, and when nothing seems interesting, just kick it off?

Seems like a lot of complaining, but I really overall enjoyed it, and I feel like I got $10 worth of enjoyment. Great games, great presentation overall, great casters, venue looked nice, and it seemed very professional.
Feijichang
Profile Joined April 2010
China167 Posts
October 17 2010 17:58 GMT
#56
Casting was amazing this go around, not that it wasn't last time.. but I didn't have to mute every other game this time. Wheat has an amazing way of asking questions and setting Day9 up using his experience and knowledge, ace casting from him. JP is awesome too though, maybe have Wheat doing interviews post games like JP does while Wheat is casting.

Day 1 stream problems aside, Day9's terrible shirt was very distracting. If your buttoning that high, and buttoning the collar down you need a tie or you look like a war vet at church. While it was more professional I kind of liked the handsomenerd t's and blazers.
Yilar
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark90 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 18:00:47
October 17 2010 17:59 GMT
#57
Make some kind of alternative stream which doesn't require octoscape. For whatever reason my octoscape goes crazy and starts using all my upload speed, preventing whatever little upload speed i need for my download speed to work probably, and in the end resulting in it getting choppy and extremely laggy. Having to watch mirror streams and being unable to use the HD function is just bleh.

Also showing the full day1 right before day2 would be an awesome idea!
Not another Terran failure :(
Fojji
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom217 Posts
October 17 2010 17:59 GMT
#58
I have no complaints about this event, (though i missed the stream issues on the first day) - the only thing i REALLY REALLY hope you start doing is to add VoDs (and no not in the form of yourself casting over a replay) - We need VoDs, 2 weeks after the event is fine, not HD is fine, aslong as we can enjoy the vent becuase i'm sure i'm not the only one who can't sit and watch every game due to other things. Replays is a good start, atleast..
LeDuck
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany152 Posts
October 17 2010 18:00 GMT
#59
To be honest, I think JP has an unfitting voice, or he should at least practice on it. Maybe it's just me, but his voice put me off, it sounded uninteresting, sometimes it was even hard to understand, because he mumbled (Not everyone is a native speaker ). This is nothing that can't be fixed, my advice would be to try sounding a bit more enthusiastic, lighter, mumbling less, stuff like that.

Big points go to DJ Wheat, wonderful co-caster, it's way easier to listen to this voice, he frequently asked questions to Day9 about the situation, so it didn't feel like Day9 was stealing all the attention, but more responding to his caster. If possible, MLG should try to keep the Day9/Wheat Combo, they make a great team and should definitely keep working together.
Quack
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
October 17 2010 18:02 GMT
#60
I didn't really like the rules. The system with looser's bracket is fine but for the person from looser bracket to win 2 straight Bo3 seems a bit unfair. The WB finalist should have an advantage but it should rather to start with 1-0 in a Bo7 series or something along those lines.
Not sure about the extended series either but don't really know a better way to deal with that. Maybe a Bo5 with a 1 game advantage to the one who knocked the other person to LB.
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