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On October 18 2010 02:05 FreezerJumps wrote:
1. Excellent casting. You and wheat are the only of day9's recent cocasters who he seemed to not just want to talk over. Please do not bring back HD and Husky. The three of you all did a very good job.
After watching WCG USA BW finals and now MLG DC I was shocked by djwheat's performance <3
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As a spectator, the one thing I would've liked to see was something like a giant billboard of the brackets themselves that got updated as the matches went by. While in this day and age there were plenty of people in the crowd who could check the full bracket on their phone, and near the end of the tournament there were few enough people to keep all the matches coming up in mind, especially for the early rounds having a physical bracket posted once the matches start is something that I would've been very happy to see. (Having the ticker on Day 2 with the results of previous rounds was a good step in this direction) This would also give somewhere to see the starting map of each round, so that the beginning of the cast of each match wouldn't start out with Day9 wondering which map to host.
Other than that, I actually liked watching while laying down on the floor, and it does give the crowd that overflow vibe to it, but I know there were many people who would've appreciated still more seating.
Overall it was a great event to be there watching and I look forward to doing it again!
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I know sound proof booths are way above your budget since you keep moving across the country , but atleast provide noise cancelling headphones.
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Get more or better speakers for the audience please. The people in the audience could not hear what you lovely casters were saying : (
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i think VoDs are a problem
it's very nice how you managed the replays this time! thats a big evolution from raleigh in my opinion
but i believe you didn't release VoDs and i think thats very very sad
(please correct me if i'm wrong there)
best example is the Huk vs select match
of course you could watch the replay....but that wouldn't be half as epic as with day9 and wheat commentating and the crowd in the background
overall i think you improved quite nicely since raleigh...i almost didn't want to watch day2 because there was absolutely NO stream quality improvement since the last time...
it really was nessesary to up the quality there
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Good: I also thought this group of commentators was much better than the Raleigh group. And honestly, I though you (JP) were much better in this than you were in the King of the Beta (which was the only other time I've seen you cast... for some reason I missed all the Raleigh games you were casting).
Bad: Obviously the HuK/SeleCT thing. I don't know how expensive it would be to get booths, but I think it would help -- at least get some headphones. Someone above mentioned the volume on the stream. I actually had the volume on my laptop to almost full blast and at that setting I could hear perfectly fine. But I probably shouldn't have to set it so high and on other people's hardware it might have been a problem.
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It would be fun to cast different players at the start. I think we got like 2-3 games of Machine and that was kinda lame imo (no offense to Machine). Of course, at the later stages, that's fine.
More interviews would have been fun too. DJ Wheat and Day9 is 2 thumbs up. Bring them back together at Dallas.
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Well, stream quality, specially in Day 1, appeared to be wost then everything else I've seen. It was like someone pointed a camera at a monitor and streamed thru there.
The lag was extremely annoying, but that's not MLG's fault. It's Blizzard, for not providing us with LAN. They could at least make SC2 Professional edition, specifically for official tourneys that has LAN in it.
The "Don't worry, that's Halo" issue is actually quite a big one. It's been already suggested - booths or special headphones.
Else, it was one of the best tourneys I've seen in a while. The casters were awesome, so I have no complains there.
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1. Still need more // better seating if possible.
2. Water please.. Whatever you have to do to get some kind of water in the event would help. I really do not think Dr. Pepper should not have that much of an issue (i would hope)
3. Sound Proof Headsets. At least for 16 players when it gets to that point.
4. There was some lag especially in earlier rounds.. anything done to minimize this would be awesome.
5. More DJ Wheat
6. Forget the extended series and play a bo5.
I think any of these could be a start. But honestly we appreciate everything you do.. We would be spoiled to expect you to deliver more then what you have already done.
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I think you should really use something aside from Octoshape. I didn't know that it was p2p until someone told me, but I was still ok with that. Then I checked how much bandwidth I was uploading and it was a crazy amount. This setup definitely doesn't work for people that have a monthly cap. I had to switch to a restream because of this.
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Great show; the casting was especially good.
Only real criticism I would have is that the grand final was something of an anti-climax (especially after how epic the select-tyler match was). I think it should be a little bit longer than the other matches, like maybe make it a best of seven (just that one match).
Another suggestion I have relates to the gaps between matches. There were periods between matches where the camera is just showing the scenes from the tournament arena. Maybe it would be a good idea to have a caption saying "next game scheduled to begin at XX:XX" so I don't have to wonder how long I will be waiting.
Again great show, and I will be watching Dallas if I can.
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1. I think it was awesome how you and the crew listened to the feedback and tried to fix it immediately. Increasing the bitrate, although did not solve the contrast and brightness problems shows that MLG listens and cares.
2. Bracket and replays were very informative. As well as the live blog and the chat room.
3. The casting was beyond awesome. Day9+ you (JP) or Day9/Djwheat were both very interesting combinations that works beautifully. Choices of game casted were very good as well.
4.I would really like to support by buying the pass but the bandwith requirement was in fact too high for me especially after it was increased to 2.2 mb/s. I suggest having something like a mid range maybe 1.1 mb/s for 5 bucks. Nevertheless, the free stream was awesome most of time besides the down time caused by wireless problem
5. I really dont like the extended series format. A person who is knocked down to the lower bracket is only 1 series away from elimination as opposed to 2 series away in winner bracket. That is punishment enough. If he meets a person that beat him earlier , both have lost once and no further punishment is necessary. Only when the winner of winner bracket meet the winner of lower bracket should the former has an advantage due to the fact that he has not lost before. Double Bo3 is sufficient in this case.
6. 2 days is too packed i think. Especially from players who make a deep run from the lower bracket. Spread it out over 3 days if possible. SeleCT was playing for about 8 hours straight.
All in all, well done for the mlg crew and it is good news that the SC2 crowd and turnout was overhwelming. I think MLG can be the anchor for foreign ( USA) scene and rival the GSL. Maybe invite some koreans? Inviting Cool or Rainbow will increase the legitimacy of the competition and no one will call it "mid-level competition" anymore.
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Once you took care of the in-game setting the stream looked a lot better. Absolutely get DJ Wheat to be a regular, he is a legend and a natural when it comes to this sort of thing. I realize that sound proof booths can be a bit much, but noise canceling headphones are a must! For the most part you covered some great games, keep up the good work!
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I watched this online and only have one suggestion: I would move the semi-finals and finals of both the Winners and Losers brackets to Sunday. You could tell that SeleCT was absolutely exhausted for the finals matches and I feel the quality of gameplay would have been much better had a) he been rested/fed and b) had a bit more time to prepare for upcoming opponents.
Other than that, the stream was great as were the casters. Thanks again guys!
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United States12607 Posts
All in all I think this was an awesome event. Most of the suggestions in this thread (noise cancellation methods, bracket displayed at the event—this should be a no-brainer, more interviews, fewer matches per day) are right on, so I won't reiterate.
The one thing I'd like to add is about the venue/seating setup. MLG's cameramen seemed to be disappointed that the SC2 crowd wasn't going nuts all the time (it certainly wasn't as rambunctious as the Halo crowd is). Part of this just has to do with the nature of StarCraft as a spectator event. It's more like baseball than football or boxing—a more relaxed viewing experience, stressing buildup of tension over wham-bam-cheer-all-the-time action.
But I'd say a good deal of the SC2 crowd's quietness was a product of the venue. SC2 was in the deepest darkest (and I mean very dark, like too dark to take good photos) corner of the exhibition hall and, due to the lack of seats, most people were laying on the floor. On top of this the sound of the stream was quite low. Low volume stream + laying down on floor + darkness = quiet naptime for SC2 fans. It's no wonder the crowd wasn't wild and energized for the whole competition.
Now compare this to the Halo venue: tiered bleachers, crazy lights all over the place, three massive monitors, and a platform for the casters (who were through speakers loud enough to hear from the SC2 area). Now that is excitement. Why can't the bigger SC2 matches be shown on those screens, in that arena? It seems a massive waste for MLG to set up that stage and then use it only for Halo, especially considering the large amount of downtime between matches.
Another advantage of showing both SC2 and Halo in the same venue would be getting some cross-pollination between the fans. It isn't true that RTS and FPS enthusiasts have to hate each other. I'd love to get exposed to other games, and I'm sure plenty of Halo fans would too. For MLG, promoting eSports should mean not only recruiting non-gamers as fans but also recruiting current gamers as fans of other games. The way the venue was arranged at MLG DC, there wasn't nearly enough interaction between the different competitions/fanbases.
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Pros
Day9 rocking as always, He's got the wonderful skill of keeping the viewers watching, i know many other casters don't really got this, you just want to stop watching befor you shoot your self...
JP and DJ did a great job aswell, The interviews where good and the convos between games worked aswell...
A whole bunch of really good players showed up and really gave us a show to watch, ofc HuK's mothership will be the big memory 
Overall I enjoyed the event!
Cons
Information, Lack of information tbh.
Yes, Technical issues does happen, Things do get delayed and I could probobly say that most of the viewers wouldn't mind a delay for 2h if we got 2 know why this has happened and whats your estimated time for the issues to be solved, When people are left in the dark they tend to get hostile 
Some sort of timetable would have been nice
the thing that disturbed me the most was that I missed almost whole day 1 since im from europe and had to sleep, I tried to watch the games from day1 while the livestream was offline but you only showed the interview with iNcontroL over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, Yea it was a great interview but I didn't wanna see it that many times
I'd rather see a loop from day1
Thanks for a GREAT event!
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Get booths and headsets for the players and (maybe) do not allow chatting during games (anything thats not gg gl hf pp).
It was fun to see the "tahts halo" incident but in the long run its not good to have the players hear the crowd.
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I actually liked Day9+Husky, would like to see him again in the future. But yeah, more interviews would be nice thing, as many are mentioning.
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Btw how come Raleigh and DC tickets were sold out under few minutes, but Dallas has been up for few weeks and still isn't sold out? o.o
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Thanks for making the thread JP. It is nice to get to give feedback in so easy a fashion.
MLG DC Pros
The games were good and the casting was good. The stream quality was honestly pretty bad the first day, but was much improved on day 2 so I'm not gonna fault you guys for that one. All in all it was an enjoyable event.
Cons
The biggest thing for me was the 2 hour delay on the stream on day 1. I am very much hoping something like that won't happen again. For die-hard fans we're going to watch it no matter what, but say I wanted to introduce people who have never even heard of Starcraft to this before as a form of entertainment, and I give them the link and it's down... Pretty bad form.
I agree with everybody above that having booths, or at least higher quality headphones, would reduce the issue with sound and the crowds. I was kind of shocked to see Idra using earbud headphones.
It was difficult for me to find the brackets between games to see how well people who weren't being casted were doing. I may have just been missing a link, but if one was there I couldn't find it.
In general I would like to see more games casted. I'm not sure how you would do this, since the format fits a huge number of games into a short span of time. It might be nice to have 2 seperate streams and 2 seperate casting teams, so we could pick which games to watch, but I'm sure even that wouldn't cover every game, especially at the earlier periods of the tournament.
All in all I was pleased and entertained, I'm just hoping the format becomes a little more organized in future events, which I'm sure it will.
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