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DigitalD[562]
United States80 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5419 Posts
On October 06 2010 05:30 _vladimir_ wrote: Hah imagine, a month old scene is not on a same level as mutli years scene, quite weird and unexpected... He said Gretech stepped it up 2 notches. That is plainly wrong... | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3091 Posts
GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors. If you've made a wrong turn, the only way to correct it is to go back a step, and then start going forward again. Keeping going the way you are isn't going to fix anything. Kespa's only role is to artificially limit the supply of progamers, and weight everything to the corporate sponsors to such an extent that wholesale exploitation of gamers is the norm. They're not necessary for a healthy scene. As long as there're viewers watching it, the corporate sponsors will eventually come, and SC2 pro-teams will get started. If going a few months without them is the price we have to pay to get a Kespa-free scene where players actually have rights...well, that's fine by me. | ||
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 06 2010 05:32 ArghUScaredMe wrote: <-- Korean The Korean community's responses are more interesting because I thought Koreans sided with Kespa. They share the same sentiments as here in West: "Kespa, what kind of mental seizure move is this?" "Gae-spa (meaning dog/bastard) sucks, this is truly an evil organization." "If you 'retire' you wipe out their record? Freakin' bastards" "Gae-spa is done... arbitrary 3 years? ROFL" "All they need to do is wipe BoxeR's records and they're finished." Oh man lol. Glad some koreans are on the side of Justice. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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ArghUScaredMe
United States712 Posts
On October 06 2010 06:07 Jyvblamo wrote: That's just silly Kespa. Does nothing for you but alienate fans of Nada (a shit-ton of people). Even if it is standard procedure for retiring progamers, it's pretty bad that this got publicized. Retirement procedure means you wipe their record? They're obviously raging and buttsore from Blizz/GomTV. They act like bunch of 11 yos. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On October 06 2010 05:35 ppshchik wrote: Is Nada currently A teamer level of B teamer level in BW? His past accomplishments aside I'd say borderline A teamer | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
an 86000 dollar tournament with no registration fee is very appealing  | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5419 Posts
On October 06 2010 05:42 Captain Peabody wrote: If you've made a wrong turn, the only way to correct it is to go back a step, and then start going forward again. Keeping going the way you are isn't going to fix anything. Kespa's only role is to artificially limit the supply of progamers, and weight everything to the corporate sponsors to such an extent that wholesale exploitation of gamers is the norm. They're not necessary for a healthy scene. As long as there're viewers watching it, the corporate sponsors will eventually come, and SC2 pro-teams will get started. If going a few months without them is the price we have to pay to get a Kespa-free scene where players actually have rights...well, that's fine by me. KeSPA did not take a wrong turn. Going back to the dark ages of esports IS a wrong turn. Gretech/Blizzard are scaring corporate sponsors off. They want to have the total control of everything while 3rd party companies invest millions of dollars a year. How stupid and greedy is that? Do you seriously think anyone's gonna bite that? KeSPA already consists of pretty much all the corporations interested in investing in esports in Korea anyway. There's no exploitation of progamers. They know well enough what they're getting into. The problem is not KeSPA (although I agree they might've handled the whole FA thing better, I hope they will in the future). The problem is the fact that there's simply not enough money in this young sport's scene. What Gretech/Blizzard are doing is going to ensure that SC2 will have but a fraction of the money that's currently being invested into BW. Gretech explicitly said that they are against BW-like progaming teams (actual progaming teams, not mere clans/amateur teams) and against a team league. ProLeague is the SOLE reason why investing in BW is even remotely beneficial for KeSPA corporations. You're talking about other sponsors eventually coming. Care to show me which Korean corporations are actually interested in that industry? How would they even benefit from it, assuming there's going to be no team league? Why would they fork millions of dollars when Blizzard/Gretech control everything and can do whatever the hell they want? KeSPA has done some things wrong. But you're talking as if they were some grand evil preventing esports from flourishing. It's the contrary, they are the ones who made esports in Korea what it is now. Before KeSPA, esports used to be some fucked up treasure hunting. Gretech is bringing it down to that level again. On October 06 2010 06:15 Melt wrote: i begin to think that kespa will loose the fight for their players. an 86000 dollar tournament with no registration fee is very appealing But having to place top4 to be able to afford food for the next month suddenly isn't. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia905 Posts
Seems like the difference between treatment for matchfixers and sc2-switchers, from Kespa's point of view, is "3years" and "forever". Besides the ton of law problems, of course - but still. Wtf is 3 years >.< | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
I say B/low A | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
MIRIGHT??? | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
If blizzard manages to successfully destroy Kespa then none of this will even matter anymore. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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noD
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