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Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 05:04:15
October 07 2010 05:03 GMT
#161
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 13:57 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On October 07 2010 04:49 Plexa wrote:
I read SCV life thread and TLO said himself in a video interview that TLAF provided them computers and in other interview the guy behind TLAF said players get salaries just like korean progamers do.

I don't want to get deeper into argument why I think KeSPA is unneeded, but I wanted to clarify my previous statements ^^
The salaries are no where near what their SCBW counterparts get. Someone like TLO who has boxer-esque status would be pulling in over 100k USD/year

Don't compare TLO with the emperor himself!


I was gonna say, to compare TLO's current accomplishments to that of Boxer in his prime (or even post-prime) is laughable. They have similar playstyles, but sorry TLO hasn't achieved near the same level of success and prestige.
john0507
Profile Joined August 2010
164 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 05:07:22
October 07 2010 05:06 GMT
#162
On October 07 2010 14:03 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 13:57 DarkspearTribe wrote:
On October 07 2010 04:49 Plexa wrote:
I read SCV life thread and TLO said himself in a video interview that TLAF provided them computers and in other interview the guy behind TLAF said players get salaries just like korean progamers do.

I don't want to get deeper into argument why I think KeSPA is unneeded, but I wanted to clarify my previous statements ^^
The salaries are no where near what their SCBW counterparts get. Someone like TLO who has boxer-esque status would be pulling in over 100k USD/year

Don't compare TLO with the emperor himself!


I was gonna say, to compare TLO's current accomplishments to that of Boxer in his prime (or even post-prime) is laughable. They have similar playstyles, but sorry TLO hasn't achieved near the same level of success and prestige.


Agree. I can't believe some people could even compare TLO and Boxer.
It's like comparing a Lion and that little kitten across the street.
Their both cats , but it doesnt mean their the on the same level.
SpiDaH
Profile Joined March 2010
France198 Posts
October 07 2010 06:56 GMT
#163
The salaries are no where near what their SCBW counterparts get. Someone like TLO who has boxer-esque status would be pulling in over 100k USD/year


oh boy here we go. Can we just ignore the comment and go back to talking about kespa / nada? Thanks for the info plexa, always good to clarify things, I was also convinced that courage was the only way in.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
October 07 2010 08:20 GMT
#164
I think this is relevant but since the Pandora player gives some people problems, I've decided to transcribe a portion of SuperDanielMan's latest mumbojumbo regarding NaDa. (The NaDa issue starts at 2:40 if you want to check it out yourself.)

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Well, first of all I want to talk about NaDA making the transition to Starcraft 2.
Now, I want to mention that he's been depicted in the Media in a negative light by the reporters and I dont agree with that, I mean it's a free country and he can do whatever he wants to do. There were many articles written about him stating, it was very biased these reporters are, obviously against Blizzard and Starcraft 2 and GOMTV, and they are stating hes an opportunist (Nada).

Actually at the beginning of the article it started out as "Prize Money Hunter" that he has no honor, he has no pride, that he has to set good examples for his juniors and he used to be that way, that theres no need for him to make a transition into Starcraft 2 the fashion that he did when the situation is very delicate
as you know GOMTV and KeSPA are bickering and fighting and theyve had no settlements.

KeSPA has no control whatsoever in regards to Starcraft 2 and I'm sure it annoys the hell out of them right. I know NaDa on a personal level and hes been playing Brood War for over 10 years but hes given us very good years, some "Art" play. (He goes on to mention NaDa's accomplishments and Flash)

Pretty much the Brood War community is trying to tarnish NaDa and they did create some detriment to NaDa's image and I'm sorry to see that. I guess KeSPA dismissed him as a player that went rouge, he is no longer a progamer. (He explains Progamer is a title given by KeSPA recognizing you as a professional and it's requirements) Nada didn't want to re-sign with WeMade and KeSPA, he has different business plans for his career. You cant blame him, he's got to think about his own future.

(Pardon grammar errors as I transcribed as close as I could while still making sense. I've also bolded the important parts for lazy people)

Note that I've heard these articles are from a completely biased site and most (if not all) netizens don't agree with it.

I won't try to tie this in with KeSPA but on a personal note I really don't believe the "database error" excuse and that it only affected NaDa. I think they were spiteful and deleted his records but the backlash made them bite their tongues and come up with an excuse like the show-match situation. I also think it's spiteful to ban him and any future progamers that switch over for 3 years.
Taengoo ♥
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
October 07 2010 08:25 GMT
#165
I might've missed this somewhere, but why nada and not july? or any of those other announced progamers... sorry if this is already discussed... i cant find
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domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
October 07 2010 09:54 GMT
#166
KeSPA = OGN, MBC, the corporate sponsors and the administrative body plus ties with the government. Without those companies/people there would be no progaming.

Without the players, there would be no progaming. So why give KeSPA all the bargaining leverage by giving them cartel status? KeSPA markets the game, but that can easily be achieved without giving them monopsonistic control over their players.

The fact is, a cartel like KeSPA is totally unnecessary to attract corporate sponsors and teams. If a corporation wants to pay a player to wear their logo, why would an entity like KeSPA need to be involved? If an organization wants to contract with players to provide them a stable salary in return for some of their winnings, why does KeSPA need to be involved?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 07 2010 20:34 GMT
#167
On October 07 2010 17:25 Lokian wrote:
I might've missed this somewhere, but why nada and not july? or any of those other announced progamers... sorry if this is already discussed... i cant find

I'm prettyy sure because july just didn't resign his contract where nada is retiring, which is different. but who knows.
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