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motbob
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On October 06 2010 18:05 jinorazi wrote:kespa's reply to recent events http://www.playxp.com/nios/view.php?article_id=2156413maybe someone can translate it? my korean to english is very, very poor. briefly: an article said kespa disallowed nada from entering gsl, kespa replied it was a misunderstanding. about the error for the player's history missing: there was a database error causing the problem. even though it may not show in the search, it is still intact. many more but i can't translate >_< Show nested quote +
PGR21 KeSPA official website to leave comments on relevant posts about the controversy associated with yiyunyeol player explained.
GSL is a pro StarCraft gamers not being able to participate for an article on communication for jeonmot said he passed the revised current state of the article said. Yiyunyeol players did come out of the jeonjeokman search is part predecessor DB error while searching all retired players said it has not completed corrective action. Also, in the search results even if there are only regular users will not only be completely deleted information, it is not solely the content added.
In addition, the association's current arbitrary withdrawal, waiver, retirement procedures for disclosure check with the game team and the players stepped through the prescribed form after the final treatment process is changing as recent cases of athletes qualified for the 'final decision directly with game teams and players Secretariat to determine the 'necessary steps' to go through, and if you do not complete the required procedures, disclosure, and practical procedures sometimes delayed the inevitable, he said.
Finally, professional athletes qualified for the amateur player is changed DB and Records Association website will be left intact, as you know some people search information to outside players will not publicly announced the action. Also, "What a remarkable record of yiyunyeol players at one point retired players to LA could eliminate. This section will ask for your understanding." He said.
KeSPA officials with respect to related information so ilpamanpa beonjija a likely explanation. Also, "recent mixed too many issues, and e is the situation for those who love sports'm throwing." He said.
After Kespa lied about their actions during the Nada vs TLO showmatch, there's no reason to believe any of their statements on this matter.
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okay kespa. we believe you. you lying piece of PR shit. As a player who loves brood war i really hope kespa gets screwed over so much. even though it may irreversably damage brood war. they really deserve it. the only people left clinging to kespa are foreigners who hate sc2 it seems. Poor brood war. such a great game going to be pulled under by a sinking ship.
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On October 06 2010 04:34 Cedstick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 04:32 Numy wrote:
Nada I think is the best pro to ever live so far. He is the only one from the old guard that is able to compete anywhere close to the top. It's just amazing. I'm sorry, he hasn't won Winners League, ProLeague, OSL, MSL, WCG and saved a life all in one season. He is not the best Pro to live.
this is so true! haha
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can someone explain to me the situation with gretech and kespa exactly? sorry i dont know anything in the BW scene!
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They canceled his license because he's no longer affiliated with the organization. KeSPA is using a scare tactic to keep their Pro's from switching over when they find themselves in a stalemate with Gretech. It's like getting fired.
In conclusion, KeSPA doesn't want to have any strings attached to NaDa anymore and the organization doesn't want to lose more players to SC2. This should be a deterrent for them. Playing something they already know and have contracts in versus unmarked territory. Big cash prizes for the winners, but who would provide the accommodations, food, etc.? It's a safety blanket.
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Evolution of the tornado terran...volcano terran? maybe the Hurricane Terran?
(in reference to his BW nickname)
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A "database error"? That's one heck of a selective database error...
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Nada is now freed from the shackles of slavery. It's hilarious how an "Amateur" SC2 player has the potential to make more money than a "professional" SC1 player right now.
Now we just need more top tier SC1 players to see the light. Fuck Kespa.
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On October 06 2010 21:24 motbob wrote:
After Kespa lied about their actions during the Nada vs TLO showmatch, there's no reason to believe any of their statements on this matter.
Care to elaborate?
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On October 06 2010 22:25 henjebenje wrote:
can someone explain to me the situation with gretech and kespa exactly? sorry i dont know anything in the BW scene!
Kespa has been running BW in korea for a long time, blizzard decided they have intellectual property rights to SC1, kespa didn't want to hear it, so blizzard licensed the rights to gretech, and gretech is telling kespa + broadcasting stations to respect their authoritay and pay a small fee (mostly they want to be known as in control of BW, just like kespa wants).
Kespa has been known for creating terrible conditions for players and lying to the public repeatedly to save face (same as any company would, exploit labor as much as you can and lie to avoid PR issues). And now half of the BW world (the half without kespa, which can be argued isn't really half at all) is dealing with gretech since they are on legal ground and half with kespa since they claim to be on moral ground (who is really on moral ground is up for debate).
thats pretty much the situation. alot of koreans hate on kespa, alot of sc2 players hate on kespa, and the players that hate on sc2 hate on gretech. that tends to be how it works out in the end.
Most recently Kespa pulled the plug on a TLO v Nada showmatch forcing nada to GG early and quickly leave the stage. the motive behind this is unclear, nada being beaten by a foreigner, issues with gretech, kespa didn't know about it anyway, possible broadcast rights violations? but then afterwards they claimed they had nothing to do with it, but its all too sketchy to think nada did it on his own( gg early in a deciding game and then immediately leave). and now they wipe nada's record as punishment, and then outcry over it happens and they retract it saying it was just an error. its very similar to everything else they've done recently.
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On October 06 2010 04:47 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 04:26 jinorazi wrote:
His progamer status has been canceled and can't participate in Kespa associated events for 3 years.
Wow. This is what it sounds like to me (maybe because of a a mistranslation). Nada: Hmm, I want to play sc2. Kespa: Sorry, your contract disallows it Nada: Ok, i retire from scbw Kespa: YOU RETIRE? !@#$ you, no starcraft for 3 years for you. Nada: Ok, your loss. This is worse than any sport. Imagine if michael jordan quit basketball to play baseball and they told him "well that means you can't play basketball again for 10 years". So retarded. Yay for nada coming to sc2!!!
Well it's always been like that, that's Kespa for you - trying to control everything related to starcraft gaming in Korea.
On October 06 2010 05:27 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 05:17 CidO wrote:
They're holding onto a fleeting memory. Prize money(Not Salary) from one GSL is more than half a years worth from SC:BW. There are two more GSL tournaments this year. eSports and pro gaming has come a long way w/ much thanks to kespa, GOM has just stepped it up 2 notches. BW might have some life left, but I wouldn't put it past HotS, unless there is major problems with HotS, and it will continue to be in non-stop decline. GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors.
That's not always good
Why Kespa is good:
1) Players get house to live, salaries and food (everything to survive)
2) Very professional, easy to train and concentrate on gaming
Why Kespa is bad:
1) 12 hours every day 7 days a week playing only starcraft. Look at those people... so sad.
2) Only top 1-30 players salaries are actually big, other below that or even below top100 are really small (Hence why Iron left progaming- his salary was so small that I think he earned more competing in GSL1 than working 80 hours a week for a month)
3) You are bound to kespa. No tournament that isn't associated with kespa and no broadcasting channel has a right to show anything unless they pay kespa.
4) Half of the winnings from players go to Kespa
5) Hard to become progamer. You have to get first place in a tournament that has 512 players
6) Your life is screwed. Especially if you didn't finish school before joining progaming
But also take in mind that players in progaming teams like teamliquid, SCV life get salaries and all the gear required to be progamer.
In my opinion organisation like KeSPA is not needed. It wasn't needed before 2005(?), it isn't needed now.
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Why do people keep talking about "what if" Kespa bought GSL or GSL becomes Kespa sanctioned? Theres no way Kespa is ever buying gsl, and even if gsl became Kespa SANCTIONED, it doesn't mean its run by kespa, and they shouldn't have any part in the rules.
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On October 06 2010 22:32 bubblegumbo wrote:
Nada is now freed from the shackles of slavery. It's hilarious how an "Amateur" SC2 player has the potential to make more money than a "professional" SC1 player right now.
Now we just need more top tier SC1 players to see the light. Fuck Kespa.
He was making like $350,000+ in SC1, wasn't he?. I doubt he'll make more in SC2.
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Hope he gets far in GSL2!!
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Gotta feel for Nada, the boats have been burned for him. There's no sailing back. I hope there's a fairytale ending in this for Nada.
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On October 07 2010 00:44 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 22:32 bubblegumbo wrote:
Nada is now freed from the shackles of slavery. It's hilarious how an "Amateur" SC2 player has the potential to make more money than a "professional" SC1 player right now.
Now we just need more top tier SC1 players to see the light. Fuck Kespa. He was making like $350,000+ in SC1, wasn't he?. I doubt he'll make more in SC2.
He indeed was. 2-3 years ago
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Funny how it's always a misunderstanding with KeSPA.
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Fuck Kespa, Lee Yoon Yeol hwaiting! Seriously, why does Kespa have to do this kind of shit?
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edit: shoulda read thread
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On October 07 2010 01:12 Iplaythings wrote:
Wonder if his "hate" to wards kespa, (if its real) is about the showmatch cancelled?
probably a combination of them being controlling and the terrible conditions they put on the gamers/seeing many of his friends burn out because of it.
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