Nada is now listed as Amateur

On October 06 2010 04:28 Tsuroka wrote:
now was his progamer status cancelled BECAUSE of switching to sc2?

On October 06 2010 04:32 Numy wrote:
Nada I think is the best pro to ever live so far. He is the only one from the old guard that is able to compete anywhere close to the top. It's just amazing.

On October 06 2010 04:29 Piski wrote:
Yeah read about it on bw forums. Even though it was expected, it's nice to see the "confirmation" that he is out of bw and in SC2.
Kinda sad thought :/ He was a legend in bw, I just hope he can do the same for SC2

On October 06 2010 04:39 drag_ wrote:
Already a thread on this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158297
Sad to see him go though

On October 06 2010 04:34 Cedstick wrote:

I'm sorry, he hasn't won Winners League, ProLeague, OSL, MSL, WCG and saved a life all in one season. He is not the best Pro to live.

On October 06 2010 04:26 jinorazi wrote:
His progamer status has been canceled and can't participate in Kespa associated events for 3 years.

On October 06 2010 04:42 Keitzer wrote:


so it's a bad thing another BW player coming to SC2?

In some ways ya i can agree. But cmon.. the more players experimenting with the game.. the better and faster it should evolve into an epic game like BW was and still is.

On October 06 2010 04:48 drag_ wrote:

It's not like I'm against SC1 pro's go into SC2, it's more like I'm sad to see the great personalities of BW leave the game. And I don't think it will ever be possible for SC2 to replace BW for me just because of the nostalgia and what not. It's like getting rid of something old and sentimental for something newer and more up to date you know?

His progamer status has been canceled and can't participate in Kespa associated events for 3 years.

On October 06 2010 04:31 jinorazi wrote:


i dont know but the comments say his record has been deleted and hate towards kespa is...apparent, lol.

On October 06 2010 04:28 supersoft wrote:
hehe i hope i beats Cool. For the Terrans!

On October 06 2010 04:55 urashimakt wrote:
The powers of google translate deduces that the comments to that article are very negative towards KeSPA. Also, they seem to read like all of Nada's BW records are being wiped (like anything about his history). It seems odd and harsh and is only confirmed by google, so I'll be taking it with a grain of salt until we get more translations.

On October 06 2010 04:33 blade55555 wrote:
lol at can't participate in kespa associated events for 3 years must be bitter .

But on all seriousness is that normal? When a progamer retires can't participate for 3 years?

Should be good to see how he does at the GSL

On October 06 2010 05:01 vyyye wrote:
Kespa always making themselves look good. Oh well, go Nada!

On October 06 2010 05:09 Cade)Flayer wrote:
If it is true about Kespa wiping NaDas official record then that is truly pathetic. NaDa is arguably the greatest BW player of all time and definitely top 5 so wiping his records is an insult to all players and fans who respect and look up to such a great competitor. With Saviors records being wiped as well that is almost 2 years worth of OSLs and MSLs gone from the books, if Boxer and OoV switch and get their records wiped the history of BW might as well begin in 2008 according to Kespa.

On October 06 2010 04:27 Lunares wrote:
Is this an example of fighting between Kespa and SC2 or does this just make sense for Nada? If he is moving to Sc2 than retiring from BW makes sense.

On October 06 2010 05:27 maybenexttime wrote:


GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors.

On October 06 2010 05:27 maybenexttime wrote:

GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors.

On October 06 2010 05:15 Tankbusta wrote:
Any Korean netizen quotes on this? Really interested in what they might have to say about this

On October 06 2010 05:31 FabledIntegral wrote:
Where does it say his record will be deleted...?

On October 06 2010 05:27 maybenexttime wrote:


GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors.

On October 06 2010 05:32 ArghUScaredMe wrote:


<-- Korean

The Korean community's responses are more interesting because I thought Koreans sided with Kespa. They share the same sentiments as here in West:

"Kespa, what kind of mental seizure move is this?"

"Gae-spa (meaning dog/bastard) sucks, this is truly an evil organization."

"If you 'retire' you wipe out their record? Freakin' bastards"

"Gae-spa is done... arbitrary 3 years? ROFL"

"All they need to do is wipe BoxeR's records and they're finished."

On October 06 2010 06:07 Jyvblamo wrote:
That's just silly Kespa. Does nothing for you but alienate fans of Nada (a shit-ton of people). Even if it is standard procedure for retiring progamers, it's pretty bad that this got publicized.

On October 06 2010 05:35 ppshchik wrote:
Is Nada currently A teamer level of B teamer level in BW? His past accomplishments aside

On October 06 2010 06:14 zerious wrote:


I'd say borderline A teamer

On October 06 2010 06:15 ZlaSHeR wrote:
What was borderline. He was winning proleague games at the end of the season, look at his record.

On October 06 2010 05:27 maybenexttime wrote:


GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors.

On October 06 2010 07:26 gn0m wrote:
EDIT: It's also a shame that the "good guys" (KeSPA) in the current Gretech vs. Brood War situation are total idiots. Erasing NaDas record is just plain arrogant and it will obviously upset fans, assuming the rumour is true.

On October 06 2010 07:39 Disastorm wrote:


Well thats a first. I've never heard anyone refer to Kespa as "good guys" in any sense of the word.

On October 06 2010 07:44 imyzhang wrote:
if nada is an amateur, then i'm just a scrub =[

anyways, nada will get pro status in a very short period of time, considering he already can play at around the same skill level as TLO

All those kids new to the SC community will finally see why us broodwar veterans hype these broodwar pros so much (aside from Cool, tester, and idra, they don't exactly compare to Nada in terms of broodwar).

On October 06 2010 04:28 supersoft wrote:
hehe i hope i beats Cool. For the Terrans!

On October 06 2010 07:33 QkDown wrote:


There's no way you honestly believe there's more money to be made in SC1 then SC2 anymore.. plz say you're trolling

On October 06 2010 15:30 Lachrymose wrote:
do you understand what a salary is?

On October 06 2010 07:33 Ocedic wrote:


We can't because they're gone.

On October 06 2010 15:30 Lachrymose wrote:


do you understand what a salary is?

On October 06 2010 17:00 dcemuser wrote:
Is there any confirmation for KeSPA deleting Nada's records or is this just a rumor gone wild?

I can't find any confirmation of it, personally. However, the korean netizens are saying the same thing according to page 3, so it's either a cross-language rumor or KeSPA is REALLY freaking retarded.

On October 06 2010 16:50 teamsolid wrote:
Lol... I wonder what KeSPA is gonna do when Boxer switches over. What a joke.

On October 06 2010 04:34 Cedstick wrote:

I'm sorry, he hasn't won Winners League, ProLeague, OSL, MSL, WCG and saved a life all in one season. He is not the best Pro to live.

On October 06 2010 17:45 Domonic wrote:


* Lee Yun Yeol joined in the “100 wins in Proleague” Club after his win over Shin Jae Wook (GosI[Flying]) on Match Point in match vs. Woongjin Stars (2010.06.26).

* Lee Yun Yeol achieved 81 wins (70 losses) in 1v1 games and 19 wins (8 losses) in 2v2 games.
* 1st win was in KTF EVER Cup Proleague 2v2 game with YellOw vs. JinNam (Z) / JinSu (P) on Neo Jungle Story in 2nd set of match KTF vs. AMD 2003.03.01.

* First player to win 3 OSLs (2003 Panasonic, 2004-2005 IOPS, 2006 Shinhan Season 2)
* First player to win 3 MSLs (KPGA 2nd Tour, KPGA 3rd Tour, KPGA 4th Tour)
* Longest time in the KeSPA Ranking Top 30 (87 months, from March 2002 to May 2009)
* Longest time (along with Boxer) to hold first place in KeSPA Ranking (17 months: from April 2003 to July 2004, and December 2006)

-from Liquipedia

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On October 06 2010 18:06 mongorie wrote:
So lets say Kespa buys GSL in the next month... nada can't play in SC2 GSL until 3 years is up?

On October 06 2010 18:05 jinorazi wrote:
briefly: an article said kespa disallowed nada from entering gsl, kespa replied it was a misunderstanding. about the error for the player's history missing: there was a database error causing the problem. even though it may not show in the search, it is still intact.

On October 06 2010 05:06 Anomarad wrote:
Watch KESPA take over SC2 and NaDa can't play anything.

On October 06 2010 18:05 jinorazi wrote:
kespa's reply to recent events

http://www.playxp.com/nios/view.php?article_id=2156413

maybe someone can translate it? my korean to english is very, very poor.

briefly: an article said kespa disallowed nada from entering gsl, kespa replied it was a misunderstanding. about the error for the player's history missing: there was a database error causing the problem. even though it may not show in the search, it is still intact.

many more but i can't translate >_<

On October 06 2010 04:34 Cedstick wrote:

I'm sorry, he hasn't won Winners League, ProLeague, OSL, MSL, WCG and saved a life all in one season. He is not the best Pro to live.

On October 06 2010 21:24 motbob wrote:

After Kespa lied about their actions during the Nada vs TLO showmatch, there's no reason to believe any of their statements on this matter.

On October 06 2010 22:25 henjebenje wrote:
can someone explain to me the situation with gretech and kespa exactly? sorry i dont know anything in the BW scene!

On October 06 2010 04:47 darmousseh wrote:



Wow. This is what it sounds like to me (maybe because of a a mistranslation).

Nada: Hmm, I want to play sc2.
Kespa: Sorry, your contract disallows it
Nada: Ok, i retire from scbw
Kespa: YOU RETIRE? !@#$ you, no starcraft for 3 years for you.
Nada: Ok, your loss.

This is worse than any sport. Imagine if michael jordan quit basketball to play baseball and they told him "well that means you can't play basketball again for 10 years". So retarded.

Yay for nada coming to sc2!!!

On October 06 2010 05:27 maybenexttime wrote:


GSL/SC2 scene in Korea is a step backwards if anything. There are no salaries and no corporate sponsors.

On October 06 2010 22:32 bubblegumbo wrote:
Nada is now freed from the shackles of slavery. It's hilarious how an "Amateur" SC2 player has the potential to make more money than a "professional" SC1 player right now.

Now we just need more top tier SC1 players to see the light. Fuck Kespa.

On October 07 2010 00:44 FabledIntegral wrote:


He was making like $350,000+ in SC1, wasn't he?. I doubt he'll make more in SC2.

On October 07 2010 01:12 Iplaythings wrote:
Wonder if his "hate" to wards kespa, (if its real) is about the showmatch cancelled?

On October 07 2010 01:01 DarkspearTribe wrote:


He indeed was. 2-3 years ago

On October 07 2010 02:21 forr4078 wrote:
Minimum annual salaray, under KeSPA rules, is around 6 million won, the last time I heard. That's under 6,000 dollars. It's just not enough to survive like a decent human being should. And that minimum salary doesn't even apply to the "interns".

It's time for a player-run union, rather an organization managed by a bunch of corporate types. It's sad to see young players get leeched off.

On October 06 2010 04:35 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Kespa is a dying race, just great that nada did the necessary move

On October 07 2010 03:53 maybenexttime wrote:

Also IrOn did not earn anything by competing in GSL. Only top8 or so players win anything at all. Other competitors have to either find some job or get lucky enough to find some niche sponsor (basically works like CS/Quake/WC3, except there are fewer teams with salaries big enough to let you survive).

On October 07 2010 00:34 DarkspearTribe wrote:
Also IrOn did not earn anything by competing in GSL. Only top8 or so players win anything at all. Other competitors have to either find some job or get lucky enough to find some niche sponsor (basically works like CS/Quake/WC3, except there are fewer teams with salaries big enough to let you survive).

On October 07 2010 03:53 maybenexttime wrote:


Sure. But the lists you post are a load of bullshit.







Are you implying that the living conditions/salary of players not affiliated with KeSPA are somehow better? You're average 'progamer' anywhere in the world doesn't even get that much (when you consider all the living expenses and such that are covered by KeSPA teams).

I agree, though, there's a need a players union. Maybe the living conditions of progamers could get slightly better if there was one. Although, I'm pretty sure the main reason why progamers get paid as much as they do is because of the fact that there simply isn't any more money in the scene.

On October 07 2010 03:53 maybenexttime wrote:


Sure. But the lists you post are a load of bullshit.







Are you implying that the living conditions/salary of players not affiliated with KeSPA are somehow better? You're average 'progamer' anywhere in the world doesn't even get that much (when you consider all the living expenses and such that are covered by KeSPA teams).

I agree, though, there's a need a players union. Maybe the living conditions of progamers could get slightly better if there was one. Although, I'm pretty sure the main reason why progamers get paid as much as they do is because of the fact that there simply isn't any more money in the scene.

How on earth is that KeSPA's fault? Korean progamers have BY FAR the best salaries and living conditions in the world... There's simply not enough money in the esports industry to provide progamers with football player-like salaries... Get a grip.

Also IrOn did not earn anything by competing in GSL. Only top8 or so players win anything at all. Other competitors have to either find some job or get lucky enough to find some niche sponsor (basically works like CS/Quake/WC3, except there are fewer teams with salaries big enough to let you survive).

Bullshit. BlizzCon is not associated with KeSPA, WCG is not associated with KeSPA, e-Star Seoul is not associated with KeSPA. There are many other tournaments KeSPA players competed in that are not associated with it.

OGN and MBC do not have to pay anything to broadcast OSL and MSL...

WRONG. You don't even have to compete in Courage to obtain a progaming license. I also don't see anything bad with becoming a progamer being hard. Not to mention it's significantly harder to become a progamer in any other scene (including many RL sports), especially other games (because their scenes can only support a few players to have meaningful salaries, as opposed to the Korean BW scene).

WRONG. KeSPA is constantly working on making the perspectives of retiring progamers better. They can become coaches, commentators, attend the progaming university or whatever it's called, work in the esports or game making industry.

KeSPA is the sole reason why it's even possible to take progaming as seriously as many Korean players do.

But also take in mind that players in progaming teams like teamliquid, SCV life get salaries and all the gear required to be progamer.

How do you know they get any salaries? Any source for that?

On October 07 2010 04:26 DarkspearTribe wrote:



Hmm maybe I did misunderstood something but still to point out something:


It's not their fault but if I as a person work my ass off 8 hours a day and get 500$ a month, get 1 day off, get no time for studying and no time for job than it's a bad thing. Of course players will practice more than that just to be better and get more money from their contracts.


GomTV original starcraft league? KeSPA told gomtv to pay them , they didn't, because blizzard (makers of the game) gave them permission to host tournament and they pulled all their players out of the tournament.

Err that's what I was saying. It's hard to become progamer because of the courage tournament. Imagine teamliquid sending 10 players to Korea and only 1 can qualify each month... That's pretty hard. Especially some teams forcing players to have almost no rest just so they can practice more to pass Courage.

Sure but their isn't enough spots for commentators and coaches for every player.


I read SCV life thread and TLO said himself in a video interview that TLAF provided them computers and in other interview the guy behind TLAF said players get salaries just like korean progamers do.

I don't want to get deeper into argument why I think KeSPA is unneeded, but I wanted to clarify my previous statements ^^

On October 07 2010 05:44 st3roids wrote:
Deleting a history of one of the best players in their history is a desperate bad move.

I dont know a professional game that could even consider do such an act of desperation.

He played for you for so many years won championships and titles you should thank the player for having a good run and bring fans to the game , everyone moves to another teams or leagues eventually

Having revoke his pro status , or ban him or whatever from kespa could have been considered but delete the history like he never existed lol how lame

On October 06 2010 04:32 Numy wrote:
Nada I think is the best pro to ever live so far. He is the only one from the old guard that is able to compete anywhere close to the top. It's just amazing.

Believe it if it's Kespa , such things are always "just a misunderstanding"

But anyways , I totally understand their standpoint , they need to make a point as to try and keep their current BW players from going into SC2.
As the current situation shows , they are getting kinda desperate , losing a player or 2 is consider a smaller problem , when they lose sponsors then the problem get big.
And Nada , is a really big and influential figure.

On October 07 2010 04:49 Plexa wrote:
I read SCV life thread and TLO said himself in a video interview that TLAF provided them computers and in other interview the guy behind TLAF said players get salaries just like korean progamers do.

I don't want to get deeper into argument why I think KeSPA is unneeded, but I wanted to clarify my previous statements ^^

Don't compare TLO with the emperor himself!

On October 07 2010 14:03 Ocedic wrote:


I was gonna say, to compare TLO's current accomplishments to that of Boxer in his prime (or even post-prime) is laughable. They have similar playstyles, but sorry TLO hasn't achieved near the same level of success and prestige.

The salaries are no where near what their SCBW counterparts get. Someone like TLO who has boxer-esque status would be pulling in over 100k USD/year

KeSPA = OGN, MBC, the corporate sponsors and the administrative body plus ties with the government. Without those companies/people there would be no progaming.

On October 07 2010 17:25 Lokian wrote:
I might've missed this somewhere, but why nada and not july? or any of those other announced progamers... sorry if this is already discussed... i cant find