EPTBoxeR, the ultimate legend. Rumor has it he wants to switch to SC2. IdrA hit him on the ladder, and damn is he good.
EnjoY~~
BoxeR vs IdrA
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Artosis
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BoxeR, the ultimate legend. Rumor has it he wants to switch to SC2. IdrA hit him on the ladder, and damn is he good. EnjoY~~ | ||
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noD
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altho i dunno if kr replays plays in us client =x | ||
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mOnion
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i just love the title alone, video = awesommmmmmme | ||
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
excited to watch this when i get home~ | ||
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yomi
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Bibbit
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kaisr
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
You always deliver. <3. Moss ^____^ | ||
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CheAse
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:00 kaisr wrote: lol boxer knows who idra is. im impressed Idras probly like top 3 zergs in the world, and being non-korean its easy to stand out. not surprised | ||
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United States1154 Posts
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Canada1857 Posts
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AirportSecurity
Canada34 Posts
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ChickenLips
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OMG IM GONNA JIZZ ALL OVER MY FN KEYBOARD. *faints* | ||
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Rhyme
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MangoTango
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KiNGxXx
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 + Show Spoiler + WoW u idra? LOOOOL | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. | ||
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mangina
United States230 Posts
you are the best freakin handsome nerd eveR!!!! ;D | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Boxer says "WoW u idra?" Idra says "ok" Boxer says "good" Clearly idra didn't know who he was dealing with. | ||
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DrBoo
Canada1177 Posts
Great job in GSL as well same with Tasteless <3 | ||
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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teemh
Canada120 Posts
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SiegeFlank
United States410 Posts
Keep up the awesome work. | ||
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smocca
United States83 Posts
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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Sweden1465 Posts
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post reply for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. Possibility A: the guy idra was playing is a bronze player Possibility B: The guy idra was playing is Boxer, and you are a moron. I guess you have no choice to believe that possibility A is correct! | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:22 motbob wrote: Possibility A: the guy idra was playing is a bronze player Possibility B: The guy idra was playing is Boxer, and you are a moron. I guess you have no choice to believe that possibility A is correct! Dont forget the possibility that Boxer is the bronze player. :O | ||
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Germany98 Posts
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Grettin
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On October 01 2010 08:22 motbob wrote: Possibility A: the guy idra was playing is a bronze player Possibility B: The guy idra was playing is Boxer, and you are a moron. I guess you have no choice to believe that possibility A is correct! lol. Win right here! Thanks Artosis, love your Sc2 content. | ||
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epicopter
Canada177 Posts
Thanks a lot for this though. | ||
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Zevah
Argentina187 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:24 Grettin wrote: lol. Win right here! Thanks Artosis, love your Sc2 content. T_T Reverse Physiology ...Wanted replay but you guys ruined it T__T. Just finished watching and both players played really well.. I don't like how one of the players lost his army to kill an expo. | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Boxer needs to get better tho  | ||
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-KarmA
United States353 Posts
On October 01 2010 07:58 aPsychonaut wrote: MIND = BLOWN Agree completely | ||
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United States381 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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United States755 Posts
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biskit
Australia355 Posts
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I was pretty surprised at IdrA's major lack of anti air, though. Those drops kept him pinned back for a long time and his response was to make more ultras? Was he just confident enough to constantly rebuild hatcheries? I loved the drop by the watch tower, putting the tanks ontop of the high ground to deny a massive region of the map, though - that was sheer brilliance. | ||
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Gatsbi
United States1134 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
It looked like a BW game, very macro based. | ||
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tackklee
United States270 Posts
IdrA as always leaves me amazed. Did anyone notice how much creep was on the map at about 8-9 mins in? He had basically half the map at the time most terrans would be coming with 1 rushed banshee. So amazing. And for him to be able to deal with all that harass and macro.. jeez. | ||
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nimbim
Germany984 Posts
Would be insane to have Boxer back for SC2. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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ScN.gosu
Canada18 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:14 cablesc wrote: Can't watch this since I'm at work, but how good is Boxer? Is he "Top level Terran, he'll be a contender in the next GSL" good, or is he "OMG, Boxer for SC2 Bonjwa" good? Boxer does not even play sc2 full time. He still competes in bw. If/when boxer switches over to sc2 full time he will be a tremendous beast of a baller no doubt in my mind. He was so good at multitasking and micro in bw where macro was "harder". In this game with MBS and automine boxer will take sexyness to a whole new level if he plays - same can be said though for any bw "star" that switches over. | ||
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CoMMoDuS
Germany507 Posts
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
However he didn't make ghosts or nukes, so this game doesn't count anyway, | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
+ no scourge that give total air control = boxer heaven | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I agree with this. IdrA got a lot better, I think, especially with creep harass, situation control, use of infestors, and so on and so forth. Odd that he didn't throw down one spire when he had the money for it just so he would have the ability to get mutas when he did need them. Boxer may have great multiprong attack, but relying on killing hatches with MM drops when there are like 20 ultras (yes, some were low on life. But they still tank damage like crazy) is sort of counterintuitive. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:30 tackklee wrote: Man that game was awesome yet frustrating to watch at the same time. As a zerg player, I think it's absolutely ridiculous how hard IdrA had to try against those multi-tasked drops and how an inferior army can put up such a good fight. IdrA as always leaves me amazed. Did anyone notice how much creep was on the map at about 8-9 mins in? He had basically half the map at the time most terrans would be coming with 1 rushed banshee. So amazing. And for him to be able to deal with all that harass and macro.. jeez. most of it was boxer's fault, actually | ||
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Cham
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post replay for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. Lol, well, the other one is in bronze so hahaha | ||
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Senx
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mangina
United States230 Posts
thank you artosis!! | ||
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Templar.
Canada133 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:36 Senx wrote: With SC2s easier mechanics I cant even begin to imagine what boxer would be capable of if he decides to go full time sc2 pro. Thats true in a sense, but with easier mechanics that will probally lead a smaller gap of what's actually possible in terms of controlling units.. so he probally won't be able to control units in sc2 at a higher level than in terms of him controlling units versus what others could do in scbw. Take for example, julyzerg #1 muta micro.. with the harder mechanics than sc2 the difference that a decent player and a pro player may be a large amount in terms of controlling uints, where in sc2 it could be a small amount and make less of a difference. | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
Good god IdrA's creep spread was sick. He creeped the entire map in under 10 minutes. Holy shit. Also who didn't see Boxer becoming really crazy with medivac/tank/marauder harass? It's like he designed the Terran race himself, and damn you can basically control two bases and half the map with a few tanks on the high ground above those Xel Naga towers, why is this not being abused more? | ||
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Tazza
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post replay for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. Are you hoping the replay is going to contain his name and fingerprints or something? Stop being so absurdly devil's advocatey, it's dumb. | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post replay for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. actually, he played very boxer-esque imo. But Idra so stubborn. Why not making some mutas?? Creep spreading was great though. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Epic game though. Great harass from boxer and a great job fighting all over the map and making great strategic decisions from Idra. While boxer showed some cool tactics and micro, his macro was nothing short of horrible this game. He was constantly floating way too many minerals while not building anything. So often his production buildings weren't building at all even tho he had plenty of supply and thousands of minerals/gas. Either way good stuff, Thanks artosis. | ||
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Australia296 Posts
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
Boxer playing is great and all, but with the easier mechanics in SC2 I doubt Boxer will be heads and shoulders above others like he was at one point in BW. | ||
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epicopter
Canada177 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:42 ryanAnger wrote: Artosis, what is this Hydra Creep build you were talking about? Are there any replays of people doing it? I'm really curious to see it. It's the build where if you get hydras you need creep because otherwise they are completely useless? | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:41 Drazzzt wrote: actually, he played very boxer-esque imo. But Idra so stubborn. Why not making some mutas?? Creep spreading was great though. More muta = less ultra less ultra = die to tanks Muta are easy to counter, boxer already had thor production possible as well as marines It's the same as asking why didn't BoxeR make a Raven and clean out that creep? | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
tnx for vod however | ||
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Cham
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On October 01 2010 08:42 On_Slaught wrote: Really bad GG timing from boxer. Epic game though. Great harass from boxer and a great job fighting all over the map and making great strategic decisions from Idra. While boxer showed some cool tactics and micro, his macro was nothing short of horrible this game. He was constantly floating way too many minerals while not building anything. So often his production buildings weren't building at all even tho he had plenty of supply and thousands of minerals/gas. Either way good stuff, Thanks artosis. I was thinking maybe he was just being a bit obnoxious at the end of the game to Idra knowing sometimes Idra doesn't have the best of manners. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
What did I just watch... -_-' I mean, Boxer won but that was Idra's game to lose. :-| | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
I'm not really an expert but is there a reason why top terran players never just get 1 raven and take out the creep tumors, or get one viking and take out the overlords spewing creep. It seems like boxer would have won that if he'd just kept the creep under control and therefor been able to expand | ||
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karNa
United States28 Posts
And it would be even more awesome if you could post the replay :D | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:48 JinDesu wrote: @antisocialmonkey - what? Because 10 minutes of that game was just Idra running around with no Anti-Air for some reason... | ||
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Combine
United States812 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
I mean.. 8 / 10 Mutas are cheap and shu up down a lot of drop harassement istead of runnign everywhere with Ultras. :| | ||
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
Very exciting game, I would have liked to see some starport tech lab play. Ravens for creep banshees to abuse the fact idra would not tech into AA. You just can't let zerg creep like that, but wow go idra great spread. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:45 Antisocialmunky wrote: 1 MUTA... JUST 1 MUTA. What did I just watch... -_-' I mean, Boxer won but that was Idra's game to lose. :-| what game were you watching? | ||
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Zvendetta
United States321 Posts
Who cares about video quality when you have the best in the ENTIRE WORLD duking it out. When I saw that huge mech ball I thought it definitely game over for IdrA, but no both players keep their head in the entire game. That tank positioning on the platform? INGENIOUS. It was interesting to see that IdrA opted to not go for spore crawlers the entire game, seeing how effective that medivac harass was. And no burrow? I really hope that becomes more favored later in star craft 2's life. Oh and, frikken epic creep spread anyone? that was over 80% of the entire map | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:53 Antisocialmunky wrote: Because 10 minutes of that game was just Idra running around with no Anti-Air for some reason... I was confused by the statement "Boxer won, but that was IdrA's game to lose" | ||
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United States98 Posts
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karNa
United States28 Posts
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Grettin
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On October 01 2010 08:53 Antisocialmunky wrote: Because 10 minutes of that game was just Idra running around with no Anti-Air for some reason... He didn't have single upgrade for those mutas. Slowed the tech down enough. So i guess IdrA didn't bother. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:54 JinDesu wrote: I was confused by the statement "Boxer won, but that was IdrA's game to lose" Doesn't that imply that Idra was so far ahead that he would have had to screwed up pretty bad to lose? | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:53 Antisocialmunky wrote: Because 10 minutes of that game was just Idra running around with no Anti-Air for some reason... Say idra teched to muta and got ultras out 2-3 mins later.. Say BoxeR pushed with his thor, marine, siege tank, hellion army, and IdrA had no ultras out yet What happens? | ||
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Accer
Korea (South)319 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:42 On_Slaught wrote: Really bad GG timing from boxer. Epic game though. Great harass from boxer and a great job fighting all over the map and making great strategic decisions from Idra. While boxer showed some cool tactics and micro, his macro was nothing short of horrible this game. He was constantly floating way too many minerals while not building anything. So often his production buildings weren't building at all even tho he had plenty of supply and thousands of minerals/gas. Either way good stuff, Thanks artosis. Boxer did never really have the best macro. Hopefully Idra runs into iloveoov next . | ||
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Snake_Doc
Australia98 Posts
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:55 karNa wrote: was idra aware that he was playing boxer? Definitely not. If you noticed the beginning Idra was just like ok... yeah I'm idra. i think he assumed it was just a random fanboy. If he knew it was boxer I bet he would have made some AA, those dropships did work | ||
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United States3897 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
boxer Idra definitely struggled to deal with the dropships (why, oh why, would they make dropships even better--and then give them to boxer!?). Boxer on the other hand didn't really deal with the creep too well... | ||
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Ogyusuh
United States52 Posts
Can't wait to see Boxer make nukes viable like he always wanted to | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:57 CurLy[] wrote: Definitely not. If you noticed the beginning Idra was just like ok... yeah I'm idra. i think he assumed it was just a random fanboy. If he knew it was boxer I bet he would have made some AA, those dropships did work I bet he didn't expect to lose that many hatcheries to some random fanboy. It was a really weird game though, Boxer was dead for a while and still took out a couple of extra hatcheries, how do you even pull that off? On the other hand he'd be called a 'bm asshole' if he wasn't Boxer, but hey, shit was enjoyable to watch. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Thanks, Artosis. | ||
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JQL
United States214 Posts
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b_unnies
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KristianJS
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Idra had some sick moves (the creep spreading was mindblowing) and Boxer had some sick micro/multitasking :D | ||
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
TY in advance! And if for some reason you dont have it, oh well. | ||
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s2pid_loser
United States699 Posts
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
But IMO, I dont think Boxer played to the best of his abilities especially when GSL2 is around the corner. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:02 DamnCats wrote: Are you people serious when you say great creep spread? All he had to do was build 1 gd raven. I saw the tech labs. Creep spread isn't difficult it's just another thing you have to remember to do every x seconds just like larva. The ball is in the other players court on whether or not it's actually effective. You're essentially saying no macro is hard, you just have to remember to do an action every X seconds, right? | ||
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BigBadSkathe
United States234 Posts
either way thanks for providing this! edit: actually the lag pretty much stops after like 6:45 so it's all good | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
ty artosis! | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
You're essentially saying no macro is hard, you just have to remember to do an action every X seconds, right? And you're essentially saying that we might as well be congratulating him on making units every x seconds? How does this not prove my point? In any case it was a nice game to watch :b | ||
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HydroXy
United States513 Posts
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United States636 Posts
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post replay for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. Wow, you can't be serious can you. One is a BRONZE player. Obviously the match making system would not put IdrA up against a Bronze player...... | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:06 DamnCats wrote: And you're essentially saying that we might as well be congratulating him on making units every x seconds? How does this not prove my point? In any case it was a nice game to watch :b Your point was ridiculous in the first place. A lot of this game is about remembering to press a certain key every X seconds. IdrA has great creep spread, a lot better than most zergs I've seen (hell people seem to just forget about it after a while) because it's not as easy as you make it out to be, as this isn't Creep Spread: The Game. Anyway, why wouldn't you praise someone for good macro in the first place? | ||
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Blackou
France38 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:09 vyyye wrote: Creep Spread: The Game. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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clik
United States319 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:08 SichuanPanda wrote: Wow, you can't be serious can you. One is a BRONZE player. Obviously the match making system would not put IdrA up against a Bronze player...... Also I'm going to take a guess that there is only one person out of the 2 "manofoneway" names that can do 3 drops at the same time and micro them. Edit: Amazingly good game btw! Given a little more practice boxer will be wrecking kids. | ||
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Clutch8
United States258 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:11 clik wrote: Also I'm going to take a guess that there is only one person out of the 2 "manofoneway" names that can do 3 drops at the same time and micro them. Guys, read the thread next time, lol. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157182¤tpage=3#59 | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
Don't get me wrong I'd still praise him, but more for the restraint w/ the ultras, not getting them all killed in a seige tank bloodbath, etc. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
but he did almost nothing with it =/ | ||
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:45 Antisocialmunky wrote: 1 MUTA... JUST 1 MUTA. What did I just watch... -_-' I mean, Boxer won but that was Idra's game to lose. :-| what are you smoking...im just baffled??? | ||
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United States1061 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:14 DamnCats wrote: Because at anywhere above 500 diamond it seems good macro is basically standard? Are we playing the same game? That's.. I don't even know what to say, that's just false. Suppose there are different standards for 'good'. Not trying to sound like an elitist bastard, I see my own macro as a bloody disaster. Don't get me wrong I'd still praise him, but more for the restraint w/ the ultras, not getting them all killed in a seige tank bloodbath, etc. Could debate all day about what was better or more important, but the basic jist is that the creep spread was really good, which was the point in the first place  | ||
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United States24 Posts
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Phos
Iceland106 Posts
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
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wooozy
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:18 Phos wrote: whats with the retarded names from the koreans? manofoneway? team scv life? is there a deeper meaning to this i dont get? Knowing perfect English isn't really the standard in Korea, so to speak. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
And yes the creep spread was delightful but I am just bitter that all my hard work always ends up with some a-hole building 1 single obs or raven and destroying all of it. | ||
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Prom_STar
United States8 Posts
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:18 Phos wrote: whats with the retarded names from the koreans? manofoneway? team scv life? is there a deeper meaning to this i dont get? says phos | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:03 vyyye wrote: You're essentially saying no macro is hard, you just have to remember to do an action every X seconds, right? No he's not. That would be true for all macro mechanics, but not macro in general. With these macro mechanics (like creep spreading, inject larvae etc.) there's no decision-making involved at all, you just have to repeat it every x seconds, as opposed to other macro decisions like "do I make more drones now or more units" or "Do I queue another row of units or start expanding to a third" etc. And when he says that it's in the opponents court whether it's effective or not is because creep tumors are so ridiculously easy to remove it's not funny. If opponents would actually pay enough attention to it your creep wouldn't extend outside your own base at all. So since you spread creep all the time anyways, it depends entirely on your opponent if it's effective or not. | ||
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jaeds
United States106 Posts
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
But thanks to Idra and Artosis for the game! | ||
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
Let's see a brood war rematch! Great game, Artosis! | ||
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United States45 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:22 jaeds wrote: i liked the replay, but it seemed like too much boxer love from sc1 interfering with anywhere near objective commentating (ie. no way as much praise for the exact same micro/build if he wasn't boxer from sc1) Unless boxer has been practicing 10 hours a day on nothing but SCII since beta, that was much better than a normal player would be doing Vs IdrA.... | ||
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Thanks so much , that was really awesome. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:56 Fa1nT wrote: Say idra teched to muta and got ultras out 2-3 mins later.. Say BoxeR pushed with his thor, marine, siege tank, hellion army, and IdrA had no ultras out yet What happens? He could have back teched for the 10 minutes afterwards where he was chasing around dropships with ultras... I dunno, maybe he was supply blocked with his ultras or out of money after getting all those ultras. The VOD quality made it hard to make out. | ||
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United States678 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
WOW!!! Terran in sc2 really fit in nice with Boxer's style. | ||
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Canada3509 Posts
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United States611 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:31 Rinrun wrote: I know what I'm going to be watching in class tomorrow. Awesome stuff. (bandwidth )LOL poor Rinrun, time to spoil himz.. Do not click, or you might be Not Not not not notntonotnotnotnotnotnotnotnotnootntontontont spoiled.+ Show Spoiler + boxer loses | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:30 DMXD wrote: The Legend of Boxer continues onto the next chapter. WOW!!! Terran in sc2 really fit in nice with Boxer's style. Yup. Blizzard went ahead and gave him marauders. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Not really a fan of the game itself, every terran I play is much better at preventing creep spread. I'd say I am just as focused as IdrA at spreading creep, almost always hit it right after cooldown finishes and always get a third queen to mass spread creep tumors. Needed more Marauders/Thors and just a few less tanks. | ||
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cichli
Sweden84 Posts
What I love the most is how the personalities of the players seems to shine through in their play, in a way which transcends the particulars of the game. Even when he isn't playing BW, you can just feel that it's Boxer playing his style. Likewise for Idra. | ||
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automocc
United States40 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:37 faction123 wrote: i'm happy that boxer knows idra of course he knows who Idra is.. he was the only recent foreigner on a pro korean gaming team for the last 2.5 years. it would be kind of ridiculous to not know, even if he was a B teamer. awesome game nonetheless, I haven't seen such awesome usage of the creep on that map. by the time boxer was going for his third at the gold it was already blocked by creep! haha I'm kind of mad at boxer because now we are going to see every terran use that middle high ground with tanks on this map for a while lol >.< | ||
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United Kingdom111 Posts
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United States228 Posts
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Canada42 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:46 wuddersup wrote: Where is the replay and why is the quality so bad? It looks like you filmed the screen Artosis clearly states his PC broke and he's doing it via laptop. | ||
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Grettin
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On October 01 2010 09:46 wuddersup wrote: Where is the replay and why is the quality so bad? It looks like you filmed the screen IF you would pay attention to the casting, you would have figured that out. He has a shitty comp right now. And i doubt there will be replay out. Not IdrA's style. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:46 wuddersup wrote: Where is the replay and why is the quality so bad? It looks like you filmed the screen Go turn all settings to ultra turn on fraps Are you lagging? If not, you got a 1200+$ PC. I'm sure artosis would like free money if it meets your needs | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:38 vyyye wrote: Yup. Blizzard went ahead and gave him marauders. And a drop ship that heals and maps with cliffs everywhere and the ability to get tons of minerals off 1 base... Oh and nukes that are useful. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post replay for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. link wont load for me, but i doubt that other "boxer" is as high ranked on ladder, cause idra is near the top, so he is only going to be playing higher level people. Not to mention his style of gameplay was very boxer like. And you really think he wouldn't do his homework and check? lol | ||
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United States2583 Posts
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wuddersup
United States228 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:48 Fa1nT wrote: Go turn all settings to ultra turn on fraps Are you lagging? If not, you got a 1200+$ PC. I'm sure artosis would like free money if it meets your needs It doesn't take a 1200 dollar PC to play at 720p on high. $800 would be more than enough. And if you're a pro-gamer who's life is dedicated to StarCraft, it's not asking for much. | ||
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s2pid_loser
United States699 Posts
too bad for artosis's laggy laptop creep tumors ftw!! | ||
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Ursadon-n-Pals
United States928 Posts
Hopefully your computer gets fixed soon. | ||
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The Stapler
United States326 Posts
jesus gentlemen, just enjoy what is happening in teh actual game lolz and just to add in reply to the game......i think Z would be much more successful if more players would spread creep as aggresively and efficiently as IdrA does....regardless of the other race's ability to deny creep spread, it's just another thing you are making the other player do to take away from his macro/micro/general attention to important actions | ||
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Australia557 Posts
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Sweden359 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
Ty Artosis | ||
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United States1243 Posts
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United States6531 Posts
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Canada726 Posts
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
EG fighting ! ! ~ | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
one question though, I don't play sc2 but why is it that idra failed during the first encounter when boxer mistimed his siege? | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:52 wuddersup wrote: It doesn't take a 1200 dollar PC to play at 720p on high. $800 would be more than enough. And if you're a pro-gamer who's life is dedicated to StarCraft, it's not asking for much. 1. Artosis mentioned in the video that he was streaming from his laptop because his computer broke 2. Who are you to say that someone should spend $800 on a computer just because you're a pro gamer. | ||
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
he deserved it, rematch next GSL i hope though | ||
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GinDo
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On October 01 2010 09:38 FabledIntegral wrote: + Show Spoiler + Not really a fan of the game itself, every terran I play is much better at preventing creep spread. I'd say I am just as focused as IdrA at spreading creep, almost always hit it right after cooldown finishes and always get a third queen to mass spread creep tumors. Needed more Marauders/Thors and just a few less tanks. Creep hunting takes scans or a raven. Mules are important and Ravens take necessary gas. And when your on two bases you need stuff. Plus every time Bower would move out Idra would just respread the creep. And in this particular game Creep wasn't game changing. If he had gone hydra maybe. The only thing the creep helped was vision and movement. Movement was still hinder d by the size of the ultra. And vision can be given through overlords And if you were paying attention Idra had like 10 creep tumors all working at the same time. he covered 80% of the map with creep before the 10 min mark. Bet you cant do it or you would be pro or just forgetting to make units. Finally what kept boxer in the game was his drop play and siege tanks. thor is to immobile for Boxers style. and he did have marauders just not mass or he would die to lings. Tanks were mobile because of the drop ships and marines were cheap and mobile. | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
I'm already busy trying to spread my creep like IdrA does. | ||
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Finland7 Posts
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jdobrev
Bulgaria162 Posts
And I don't think the gg was bm - + Show Spoiler + boxer was probably hoping idra would have no money/AA and kill everything with 1 cloaked banshee. You can't really know what the opponent actually has so it was worth a try. He typed out as soon as he saw those infestors and realized he had no chance of doing anything with the banshee he was producing. | ||
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Wire
United States494 Posts
this so boxer <3 | ||
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:02 Raiden X wrote: + Show Spoiler + Creep hunting takes scans or a raven. Mules are important and Ravens take necessary gas. And when your on two bases you need stuff. Plus every time Bower would move out Idra would just respread the creep. And in this particular game Creep wasn't game changing. If he had gone hydra maybe. The only thing the creep helped was vision and movement. Movement was still hinder d by the size of the ultra. And vision can be given through overlords And if you were paying attention Idra had like 10 creep tumors all working at the same time. he covered 80% of the map with creep before the 10 min mark. Bet you cant do it or you would be pro or just forgetting to make units. Finally what kept boxer in the game was his drop play and siege tanks. thor is to immobile for Boxers style. and he did have marauders just not mass or he would die to lings. Tanks were mobile because of the drop ships and marines were cheap and mobile. Aww... spoiler it. dont spoil it for everyone! I added spoilers to the quote. I lost gained alot of unwanted info cause i tend to read the comments 1st. | ||
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United States10110 Posts
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Norway1103 Posts
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United States3427 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
1,866 points. Won 414, lost 249 (62.44% wins) not bad o_o | ||
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whetherby
United States53 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
I m not hating just saying if you plan on making more vods a bit better quality would really rock! No offense really great work otherwise! | ||
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Deleted User 55994
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meh, felt like idra could've a moved boxers main at any point once he got his ultras out and ended the game. cool to watch boxer play but i don't think he's on idras level yet, he basically lost the game prior to any real engagement because idra simply outmacroed him. | ||
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luckySe7en
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as a zerg player, i disapprove. | ||
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Canada26 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
I've Just witnessed the future | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
Wonder what IdrA thought when Boxer asked who he was. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:15 luckySe7en wrote: oh great. now every terran on bnet is going to be doing fast reaper into FE for the next week. as a zerg player, i disapprove. Unfortunately, I don't actually think every terran on bnet appreciates who boxer is. | ||
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luckySe7en
148 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:07 Wire wrote: lol pwning with a handfull of units while at 1+k min/gas this so boxer <3 ya, i think boxer should have macroed harder while he was harassing. want to see iloveoov play | ||
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Canada5744 Posts
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:17 Vanka wrote: Unfortunately, I don't actually think every terran on bnet appreciates who boxer is. Which is sad because BoxeR is awesome | ||
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United States1150 Posts
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Germany925 Posts
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United States2753 Posts
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
Still it's boxer ^_^ | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
.Can we start a fund to build artosis a new frag box? | ||
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Canada742 Posts
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bbq ftw
United States139 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:19 Devolved wrote: Artosis acted like putting tanks on the cliff was some revolutionary strategy nobody has ever thought of when it's actually pretty basic Let me guess, you were already doing this the first week of beta? Thanks for posting this Artosis, not a huge fan of SC2 but watching Boxer is always a treat. | ||
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tsularesque
Canada226 Posts
Excited for GSL next month!! | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:08 AnxietE wrote: Aww... spoiler it. dont spoil it for everyone! I added spoilers to the quote. I lost gained alot of unwanted info cause i tend to read the comments 1st. Well maybe you shouldn't read the first comments? I mean its about the game obviously or saying thanks to the person who found the replay, or thanking the caster... but why would you want to read that and possibly get spoiled about the results or what happens in the game? | ||
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United States2753 Posts
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United States296 Posts
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TyPsi5
United States204 Posts
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Speight
Australia152 Posts
Massively enjoyed this, thank you Artosis! | ||
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United States836 Posts
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Canada21 Posts
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Rodiel
France573 Posts
nice game, so good to see boxer in sc2, and as ever he teach us some things. this is the way to play terran ! | ||
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Sweden352 Posts
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United States53 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:32 StarStruck wrote: I don't think IdrA would BM BoxeR because he has a certain respect for him unlike most players. That only applies if he knew he was playing Boxer at the time, and chances are pretty good that he didn't know beforehand. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:35 whetherby wrote: has idra ever heard of a Nydus Canal? What about spore colonies? go nydus boxer and see how it turns out... | ||
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Canada81 Posts
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StarStruck
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:24 bbq ftw wrote: Let me guess, you were already doing this the first week of beta? I was doing it before the Beta...you know, in BroodWar. Like I said, it's a pretty basic concept to put long ranged units on inaccessible ground, especially if that ground is near an important choke and can protect your main army. It's even easier in SC2 since Medivacs are more useful (and more used) than Dropships. | ||
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United States255 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
Haha, honestly I love most of the Korean pros' names. They're usually much more original and interesting than western aliases. How can you even compete with Fruitdealer? On topic, that was a pretty good game. Looking forward to GSL 2! | ||
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 8 years after his prime and on a different game | ||
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Norway786 Posts
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United States210 Posts
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United States980 Posts
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Canada7593 Posts
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Norway114 Posts
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bbq ftw
United States139 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:42 Devolved wrote: I was doing it before the Beta...you know, in BroodWar. Like I said, it's a pretty basic concept to put long ranged units on inaccessible ground, especially if that ground is near an important choke and can protect your main army. It's even easier in SC2 since Medivacs are more useful (and more used) than Dropships. Fair enough, just a bit amusing to see every 'trick' in SC2 done in the 'first week of beta'. | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
I just can't get over how he must've sniped or forced a cancel from 5+ hatcheries that game. Pretty incredible. | ||
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MagnusHyperion
United States288 Posts
I cannot wait to see him do more games! His games are some of the most entertaining ever! | ||
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United States1310 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/motbob/boxer.png) | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:57 motbob wrote: This is awkward... Look who's right below Boxer in his division... I bet you all 3 of them are him. :D | ||
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United States2227 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:50 bbq ftw wrote: Fair enough, just a bit amusing to see every 'trick' in SC2 done in the 'first week of beta'. You're the one that brought up "first week of beta." Do a lot of people say that or something? I didn't even play in the beta, but I could easily imagine people doing this simple tactic very early on. It's also useful to control the middle in Lost Temple. | ||
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Australia11 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:57 motbob wrote: This is awkward... Look who's right below Boxer in his division... And he's playing mindgames with us by having his main account being ManofOneway whereas he instead is ManofThreeways | ||
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:57 motbob wrote: This is awkward... Look who's right below Boxer in his division... Look at whos right behind Boxer. Slayer. LOL | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
You guys SURE there is no game in flash or jaedong playing ? sure sure ? =( | ||
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Australia106 Posts
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On October 01 2010 11:02 noD wrote: If a retired Boxer can do that much... You guys SURE there is no game in flash or jaedong playing ? sure sure ? =( wtf who said jaedong and flash would fail? they don't want to play doesn't mean they won't be good at the game. | ||
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Taiwan1296 Posts
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jaeds
United States106 Posts
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France337 Posts
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noD
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On October 01 2010 11:04 AssuredVacancy wrote: wtf who said jaedong and flash would fail? they don't want to play doesn't mean they won't be good at the game. No I meant as If boxer does this damage the two of them would probably roflstomprape anyone .... Edit: On October 01 2010 11:05 jaeds wrote: i think that i want Manofoneway to actually not be boxer just so that all of the people saying how great/innovative/incredible this replay is would reconsider their comments on this game based on the actual play rather than the player Yeah, coz even at gsl I watched a LOT of multitasked dropship ... (/irony) | ||
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Anfere
Canada231 Posts
i think that i want Manofoneway to actually not be boxer just so that all of the people saying how great/innovative/incredible this replay is would reconsider their comments on this game based on the actual play rather than the player Too bad for u it has been confirmed on the korean forums and several other threads in TL. There is even some pro korean gamers catched talking about boxer being manofoneway on a stream while playing. | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
i would love to see them switch over though. though i wish even more that i had the opportunity to play bw. | ||
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MuuMuuKnight
Thailand107 Posts
On October 01 2010 11:13 Anfere wrote: Too bad for u it has been confirmed on the korean forums and several other threads in TL. There is even some pro korean gamers catched talking about boxer being manofoneway on a stream while playing. He meant people hype it more then what it is just because its boxer. But beside all the "tricks" that was pulled off. He has such good judgement overall already on sc2. EDIT: btw, thank you Artosis for casting and Idra for sharing replay. | ||
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darkwing.Huzow
United States35 Posts
Awesome game. Can't wait to see the best players keep pushing each other to get even better. | ||
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Neo.NEt
United States785 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:43 Mascherano wrote: GG beating boxer! + Show Spoiler + 8 years after his prime and on a different game come on javier you're better than that | ||
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Canada187 Posts
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United States5937 Posts
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Canada2214 Posts
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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Norway3547 Posts
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kadaver_BB
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Harass until you roll over and die :D | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
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Canada23 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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Angry_Fetus
Canada444 Posts
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Lush
United States657 Posts
Major nerd boner seeing two greats go at it. | ||
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United States12607 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On October 01 2010 11:02 gozima wrote: Look at whos right behind Boxer. Slayer. LOL you dont get it T_T + Show Spoiler + SlayerS_BoxeR | ||
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Stormraught
Canada29 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
thanks~ | ||
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ehalf
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deepstyle
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must watch for everyone | ||
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Canada548 Posts
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Lina
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On October 01 2010 11:58 Thereisnosaurus wrote: I think it was less boxer playing cool (which he was) and idra playing awful. Ok, so he played really well, just.. I mean, you don't need to send ten ultras to deal with a one medivac drop. two is enough. Especially with multipronged harass, Idra was getting peeled apart. If boxer had better macro he would have destroyed him. I love Idra, I really want him to do well, but he really needs to learn to multitask a bit better, and allocate forces of the right size to deal with threats, or he's going to get roflstomped when the koreans cotton on to his weakness in that regard. The Koreans already have caught on to Idras weaknesses and probably don't consider him even much of a threat at all. Just look at the differences in the quality of play exhibited by top korean players like Rainbow and Fruitdealer, compared to Idra. Whereas Rainbow and Fruit dealer constantly scout the entire map for funny play, Idra doesn't even bother, resulting in him getting put out of the Ro32. His foresight is poor compared to these players. Again, whereas Rainbow did not scout a voidray build he had enough foresight to be at least prepared in the case of voidrays. In Idra's case it was a "total shock" when those voidrays showed up on his front door. It isn't just because Idra is zerg - its because he is too predictable, displays bad decision making, and doesn't show the incredible passion/ingenuity that top zerg players like Fruitdealer have. I don't see Idra doing well until he somehow picks up some of the above listed traits. | ||
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firefistAce
United States137 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
 Slayer was one of the best players in the world back in the day. he offraced against boxer in a showmatch and lost it but a lot of people believed that slayer was the better player | ||
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United States96 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/div/19104 notice the #1, #3, #4 in the division ranking. it must have been in order at some point | ||
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Canada1235 Posts
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United States390 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On October 01 2010 11:40 Devolved wrote: I wonder if Boxer is usually this passive in the early game. I'd guess not. All we know is that this was played on the ladder. So he could just be trying stuff out or whatever. Not like it's a game they prepared for. | ||
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United States398 Posts
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
Good game, but Boxer was far too passive against the creep spread. Idra managed to cover 3/4ths of the way between their two bases and Boxer took out two or three tumors at most? One raven, just one... | ||
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phamou
Canada193 Posts
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Canada404 Posts
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Patton1942
United States66 Posts
Duckload (white)-Ra and BoxeRs of the world unit and win. great game, great call. what fun. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On October 01 2010 12:40 Rabbet wrote: Who's Boxer? I woulda just went thors and attacked, ez win for terran. why are you trying to bait people? anyway, great to see boxer playing. it would be great to see him on the sc2 pro scene | ||
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United States2315 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On October 01 2010 12:46 Doraemon wrote: why are you trying to bait people? anyway, great to see boxer playing. it would be great to see him on the sc2 pro scene anyone who gets baited by a joke deserves to get banned and i was so excited to see boxer play, pretty awesome. i don't know how he survived that one encounter in the left side of the map, i thought he'd die for sure. excellent fungal dodging, but yeah man he let idra creep spread way too much. also the way he never left was kind of... =/ | ||
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England187 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 01 2010 12:48 Luddite wrote: Am I the only one who wasn't so impressed by Boxer's play? He was effectively out of the game after the first battle. He did some cute dropship harass, but Idra's economy was so much stronger that it didn't really matter, and Boxer just ended up losing a lot of MMM without killing any of Idras army. The game should have ended a lot sooner, except that Idra want to play very safe and Boxer just refused to gg. You know what I really think about it? He shows incredible skill and micro, but what I feel was that he just wasn't trying. Dodging the fungal with his entire marine force? Double prong assaults, even triple? The foresight to drop tanks on the ledge, to engage IdrA's expansions at the perfect time, and he is thwarted by creep? My personal belief is that he played it for fun after a certain point in the game. I think the ending justifies my belief. | ||
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Bujo
Denmark16 Posts
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goneim
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
quite an entertaining thread great rep, great cast thanks artosis | ||
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pinkranger15
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On October 01 2010 12:22 SoMuchBetter wrote: Slayer was one of the best players in the world back in the day. he offraced against boxer in a showmatch and lost it but a lot of people believed that slayer was the better playerI think the point of the picture was that the people ranked right behind boxer's names spell out something very similar to SlayerS_`BoxeR` | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On October 01 2010 12:50 JinDesu wrote: You know what I really think about it? He shows incredible skill and micro, but what I feel was that he just wasn't trying. Dodging the fungal with his entire marine force? Double prong assaults, even triple? The foresight to drop tanks on the ledge, to engage IdrA's expansions at the perfect time, and he is thwarted by creep? My personal belief is that he played it for fun after a certain point in the game. I think the ending justifies my belief. Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime. | ||
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
On October 01 2010 12:58 Toxiferous wrote: so much condescension going on about players on a whole nother tier than yourselves It's interesting that esports is one of the only things where people have this idea that people can't judge other people's skill just because they aren't as good themselves. I can watch Hockey and tell when a player isn't as good as another player, or is playing poorly even though I'm not a great hockey player. | ||
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United States16 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:39 Saechiis wrote: Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime. Boxer is far better than he was in his prime. Everyone else has just improved massively as the game is more plotted out. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:39 Saechiis wrote: Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime. he's a zillion times better than when he was in his prime, average skill level has just gone way up. You can't seriously believe that Boxer, at his "prime" in his OSL final vs garimto, could beat any random iccup B- toss. | ||
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Comprissent
United States314 Posts
this is so exciting, i love how he said "good" when he found it was the real idra lol. Odd they ran into eachother on ladder, Boxer is already highly ranked and we didnt know about it? | ||
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United States1557 Posts
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whetherby
United States53 Posts
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:51 Comprissent wrote: MIND=BLOWN this is so exciting, i love how he said "good" when he found it was the real idra lol. Odd they ran into eachother on ladder, Boxer is already highly ranked and we didnt know about it? We've known for a few weeks o.O | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:39 Saechiis wrote: Are you serious? He just wasn't trying? Boxer is just another human and he has lost his fair share of matches even against foreigners. He just isn't as good as he was in his prime. He showed very GOOD skills in the game. That's why I believe he wasn't trying. Let me rephrase - he was enjoying himself, that is my belief. | ||
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Lunares
United States909 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:00 Lunares wrote: Holy crap idra really is good at spreading creep ya its a useful talent | ||
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hagon
United Kingdom556 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:51 Comprissent wrote: MIND=BLOWN this is so exciting, i love how he said "good" when he found it was the real idra lol. Odd they ran into eachother on ladder, Boxer is already highly ranked and we didnt know about it? ya need to pay a bit more attention: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155788 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156525 | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:53 whetherby wrote: Idra is a macro player, not a micro player. WHich is why he doesn't like cheese etc, because it requires a lot of micro. Idra likes to makes those big armies and charge. Doesn't like many pronged attacks, nydus, etc. So we can't expect him to play better. he will keep going for the map control, and getting money as opposed to trying to clean up the enemy. he'll wait till the enemy runs out of steam. which is why he isn't the most interesting player to watch and which is why some of us love to complain about his strategies. Idra plays macro style simply because he believes it's more beneficial to learn to play a management game really well.. he can easily pull off any micro-intensive strat, he's got some phenomenal micro. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
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jtype
England2167 Posts
Excellent excellent game; for many reasons. | ||
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United States1134 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:00 JinDesu wrote: He showed very GOOD skills in the game. That's why I believe he wasn't trying. Let me rephrase - he was enjoying himself, that is my belief. Well you are wrong lol BoxeR is pretty good but hes not unbeatable at SC2, and IdrA is probably better than him right now (hard for me to judge as someone who has only seen boxers TvT before). | ||
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Hypatio
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On October 01 2010 14:05 ArvickHero wrote: Idra plays macro style simply because he believes it's more beneficial to learn to play a management game really well.. he can easily pull off any micro-intensive strat, he's got some phenomenal micro. IdrA plays macro games because he plays zerg. There is very little that can be done with intensive micro in zerg gameplay simply because almost all of their units are melee or short ranged and all of their long ranged units are absurdly slow. Cliff abuse is also effectively non existent. Thus, zerg 'micro' is primarily about engagement mechanics rather than instances of individual unit micromanagement. The only possible exceptions to this are mutalisks and corruptors, and mutalisks are much more difficult to make effective in SC2 because T1 ranged units like the marine have more hit points and do not require a range upgrade, stalkers are not as clunky, have blink, and are relatively fast, and finally because there are generally more effective AA options in SC2 if you aren't playing zerg. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Well you are wrong lol BoxeR is pretty good but hes not unbeatable at SC2, and IdrA is probably better than him right now (hard for me to judge as someone who has only seen boxers TvT before). I would tend to agree. He obviously has the same skills he had in BW and a lot of them transfer over, but at this time he just hasn't played as much as Idra and hasn't had near the practice (from what we can tell). He's a good player. He's a very very good player. But right now, Idra is likely flat out better at SC2. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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United States4 Posts
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
Idra's creep usage is something all Zergs can learn from, though boxer didn't get a raven (which would have put a stop to the creeping). I myself never realized how hard it is for Terran to take a third on a small map if creep is spread fast. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On October 01 2010 14:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Well you are wrong lol BoxeR is pretty good but hes not unbeatable at SC2, and IdrA is probably better than him right now (hard for me to judge as someone who has only seen boxers TvT before). no dude he is boxer so clearly he is unbeatable no matter what game he is playing | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia918 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:23 figq wrote: TLO-NaDA and IdrA-Boxer kinda show that at the moment foreigners are pretty much at the same level in SC2 as the Korean BW legends. Also, we've seen quite a few of the Korean top players getting eliminated too early from GSL1, so with only a few foreigners mixed in, their results were as good as the average top Korean player. It wasn't uncommon for Boxer to lose to best foreigner players in couple last years in BW, either. Nada/Julyzerg were different/better, but still quite behind the usual pros(depends on matchup I guess, July's zvp always was hardcore). If Upmagic or someone of his caliber switched, it'd be pure domination. GSL final still has two ex-pros on top. Foreigners still have quite a good chance in GSL 2, but with every such switch, competetion gets higher. | ||
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United States53 Posts
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United States335 Posts
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mcleod
Canada350 Posts
artosis seems to think it was epic tho, getting pretty excited over such a lackluster performance by boxer - hopefully he starts playing SC2 full time so we can see some true boxer genius | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:30 Welmu wrote: People who want the replay, go to the http://sc2rep.com/ and the first one =D Also GSL replays there... what!? That's not a replay, or am I missing something? | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:29 mcleod wrote: wasnt really an epic game, boxer clearly hasnt been playing all that much SC2 artosis seems to think it was epic tho, getting pretty excited over such a lackluster performance by boxer - hopefully he starts playing SC2 full time so we can see some true boxer genius So making IdrA work hard for a win is "lackluster performance"? | ||
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United States651 Posts
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:34 Headshot wrote: That's not a replay, or am I missing something? Oops yea, they are VODS xD... I was already amazed | ||
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mcleod
Canada350 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:34 Fa1nT wrote: So making IdrA work hard for a win is "lackluster performance"? not saying it was a stomp but idra coulda ended that game several times, hes just a very safe player and held off until it was 100% in his mind | ||
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United States441 Posts
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United States1378 Posts
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
I was really really impressed by the medivac harass. He didn't invest many units in it, just enough to get the job time at any given point, and that multitasking really caught IdrA off guard, even though he had creep up the ass and +40-50 supply. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
ahhh so true so true | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
really nice creep spreading from idra | ||
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Netherlands759 Posts
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wuddersup
United States228 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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jdreamer
Australia296 Posts
COME ON BOXER! | ||
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United States1278 Posts
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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Canada239 Posts
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Maul
Australia130 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:49 enTee wrote: I say we collect money to get him a new PC if he promises to keep the good stuff coming. 10$ from 100ppl. My 10 bucks are in fo sho. You are aware he gets paid by Gretech as a commentator, right? | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Can't wait to see more from the emperor. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:50 wuddersup wrote: Artosis should've given us the replay instead of forcing us to watch his horrible slideshow. Honestly. Way to sound like an ungrateful asshole. He could have just as easily not recorded the video. The commentary was really awesome, but sorry if you need the video to be in 720p to enjoy it. | ||
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United States464 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:03 silencesc wrote: Not to be a naysayer, but how do we know it's actually BoxeR? I've played three people each named Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong... What, in Korea? | ||
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Buhlbaid
Spain32 Posts
SO... OMG BOXER EMPEROR!!! With only one hand can contain super macro progamer iDrA, recently in a new team and a 12 hours practice player!!:D:D | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On a more humourus note, I wonder how idra felt beating a BW pro who has no self respect... I think he should enjoy it while he can because if boxer is serious about sc2 then in a few months he'll come back generate some idra rage :D | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:03 silencesc wrote: See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157182#1 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155788#1Not to be a naysayer, but how do we know it's actually BoxeR? I've played three people each named Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong... On October 01 2010 15:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't know, idra had the upper hand most of the game imo. His creep spread was phenomenal and he didn't over react and make a bunch of aa in response to the drops. So while it is boxer, I'm gonna have to disagree and say it wasn't very epic, I mean cloaked banshees, really? Don't get me wrong boxer is still amazing but I think we should wait for boxer to get into shape before we call something epic. On a more humourus note, I wonder how idra felt beating a BW pro who has no self respect... I think he should enjoy it while he can because if boxer is serious about sc2 then in a few months he'll come back generate some idra rage :D BoxeR doesn't have self respect because he lost? If he did have self respect he'd win? What makes anything about this "humourus"? | ||
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Abstrkt
Australia65 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
Those dropships. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
Artosis you're the Santa Klaus of progaming only difference being that it's Xmas almost every week. | ||
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dimfish
United States663 Posts
Oh yeah, and IdrA CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPIN' | ||
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United States26 Posts
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New Zealand103 Posts
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Ryndika
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Won't even read comments because I'm worried about spoilers but I'm sure that's epic game. | ||
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
Would it be possible though to upload this in slightly better quality ? Cause its kinda difficult to see the supply/other stuff on the quality its on right now | ||
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Maeldun
Australia169 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:29 mcleod wrote: wasnt really an epic game, boxer clearly hasnt been playing all that much SC2 artosis seems to think it was epic tho, getting pretty excited over such a lackluster performance by boxer - hopefully he starts playing SC2 full time so we can see some true boxer genius http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ Only played a measly 1000 games. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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HeavyArmZ
Brazil28 Posts
BoxeR doesn't have self respect because he lost? If he did have self respect he'd win? What makes anything about this "humourus"? Avoid making comments when you don't understand the post - it makes you look dumber than you are. I don't remember who he was playing but I believe idra said he didn't play Terran because he had "self respect" If I recall correctly it was MorroW on Kulas Ravine, where Idra kept "a-moving" his Ultras and Speedlings against mass tanks and complained about how imba that was. He thought he had a big advantage because he was on 4-5 bases (even though only 3 were saturated) and raged pretty hard =P. I'm pretty sure it was Kulas Ravine but i'm not so positive about his adversary. + Show Spoiler + I gotta say though this seems a lot weaker than the gsl semifinals o.O what drugs is fruitdealer using to be that good??!! And Rainbow, gosh. Are you kidding me? He was at the edge of losing 2 of those games but still managed to hold those pushes and get ahead in the economy with a lot of scv losses o.O | ||
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hagon
United Kingdom556 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:23 aztrorisk wrote: I didn't like this game. Idra had the advantage for so long and he didn't harass. I think he was busy making sure the Boxer couldnt win with a push i.e. you tech to muta and the tank/marine/thor just roll your ground army before ultra's arrive. Also, Boxer was tight defence on 2 base for a long time, not exactly like they were/would have been alot of openings to air harass, and none for ground harass. | ||
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Souza
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On October 01 2010 15:43 Maeldun wrote: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ Only played a measly 1000 games. no... he has played 670 games with 418 of them being wins | ||
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United States828 Posts
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silencesc
United States464 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:08 littlechava wrote: See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157182#1 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155788#1 BoxeR doesn't have self respect because he lost? If he did have self respect he'd win? What makes anything about this "humourus"? thanks, it was an awesome game, but I was a bit skeptical... | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
loved the creep spread, gotta agree with Artosis that thats gonna be they key for Zerg more and more | ||
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
Great game to watch either way. | ||
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Askesis
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rofl comment very cool to see though | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't remember who he was playing but I believe idra said he didn't play Terran because he had "self respect" Drewbie | ||
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
Thanks for bringing us the game artosis. But stop pandering to beginners by unnecessarily drooling over boxer and missing important things. If you didn't stop to say "omg boxer is the best!"x5 after each thing boxer does, maybe you wouldn't miss things like hatcheries getting sniped. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:43 Maeldun wrote: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ Only played a measly 1000 games. and idra has played at least 4000 games even ive played probably ~2k games since february | ||
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Romania766 Posts
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:44 HeavyArmZ wrote: Gotta say thanks Artosis - nice match. Avoid making comments when you don't understand the post - it makes you look dumber than you are. If I recall correctly it was MorroW on Kulas Ravine, where Idra kept "a-moving" his Ultras and Speedlings against mass tanks and complained about how imba that was. He thought he had a big advantage because he was on 4-5 bases (even though only 3 were saturated) and raged pretty hard =P. I'm pretty sure it was Kulas Ravine but i'm not so positive about his adversary. + Show Spoiler + I gotta say though this seems a lot weaker than the gsl semifinals o.O what drugs is fruitdealer using to be that good??!! And Rainbow, gosh. Are you kidding me? He was at the edge of losing 2 of those games but still managed to hold those pushes and get ahead in the economy with a lot of scv losses o.O That was against drewbie. and idra played damn well this game. We didn't get to see his reactions to harass, but the game went exactly as he planned. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:18 Phos wrote: whats with the retarded names from the koreans? manofoneway? team scv life? is there a deeper meaning to this i dont get? They're often babelfished translations from Korean. Manofoneway could be like, "maverick". Also, dude. People from the land of Eyjafjallajökull shouldn't criticize the naming conventions of other nations | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:25 travis wrote: no dude he is boxer so clearly he is unbeatable no matter what game he is playing haha, i love you Travis <3 | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:52 wuddersup wrote: It doesn't take a 1200 dollar PC to play at 720p on high. $800 would be more than enough. And if you're a pro-gamer who's life is dedicated to StarCraft, it's not asking for much. Oh I can play on high/ultra just fine. FRAPSing it at 1080p/720p is another story altogether. | ||
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Austria3644 Posts
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
after boxer and my gf lol | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 01 2010 15:52 deafhobbit wrote: I don't get why people think Artosis is a good caster, he misses so much in this game while he's orgasming over a giant mob of ultra's running around. Well... he's not exactly known to be a good caster, but rather a good commentator. Although this was more of a casual replay so the obsing wasn't amazing, but he's actually able to also obs and cast really well. I guess he just didn't bother trying his best / wasn't concentrating on the minimap as much as he would in an important tournament game. A nice game though, but yeah I'll mirror many other people by saying that the most impressive thing about the game was Idra's creep spread. Boxer, well... I just felt that he was clearly outmatched from the start. He let Idra mass econ way too much and was surprisingly passive in the early game. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:17 Raiznhell wrote: Artosis is now temporarily my 3rd favorite person. after boxer and my gf lol how is your gf above artosis?! | ||
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OFCORPSE
Sweden355 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:17 Raiznhell wrote: Artosis is now temporarily my 3rd favorite person. after boxer and my gf lol Boxer > GF > Artosis? Funny ladder he's playing in though, #2 ManofOneway, #3 BoxeR, #4 Slayer, what's the deal with that? just a coincidence? | ||
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Williowa
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As far as us getting the replay, I really doubt that, looks like Idra is improving his game play and he doesn't like people watching his exact moves. But I wouldn't want everyone in the world seeing my exact everything pre gsl season 2 either. | ||
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Romania916 Posts
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
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Semtext
Germany287 Posts
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Bulgaria144 Posts
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Germany33 Posts
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:20 OFCORPSE wrote: Boxer > GF > Artosis? Funny ladder he's playing in though, #2 ManofOneway, #3 BoxeR, #4 Slayer, what's the deal with that? just a coincidence? Boxer is all of those and probably the #1 spot. Thats how good he is!!!! Anyways thanks for the video Artosis! Good play from IdrA and Boxer. | ||
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United States693 Posts
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Casta
Denmark234 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:18 Phos wrote: whats with the retarded names from the koreans? manofoneway? team scv life? is there a deeper meaning to this i dont get? I don't know, but my first thought of the word "way" was to that of profession or way of life. I read the book of five rings a while back and the author, a skilled martial artist living in Japan around 1600 by the name of Miyamoto Musashi spoke of his profession as the way of martial arts (and sometimes even as the one way). He also referred to others as following different "ways" for expample carpenter. At least it was translated into english in that way and the translator had emphasized his use of the word "way" throughout the book so I don't think his choice of word was random. So maybe this "way" word has more depth to it than it has in western language. Man of one way would on a starcraft nick therefore imply that it is a man doing nothing but playing starcraft, or that playing starcraft was a way of life for him. In other words someone very good at it, a pro. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:11 kojinshugi wrote: They're often babelfished translations from Korean. Manofoneway could be like, "maverick". Also, dude. People from the land of Eyjafjallajökull shouldn't criticize the naming conventions of other nations I always assumed "Team SCV Life" means something along the lines of "work hard every day" (ie. the workers mentality). Or whatever. | ||
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SoJu.WeRRa
Korea (South)820 Posts
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:36 XequR wrote: too much hype about boxer.... anyways, he got raped by ultras Door is over there ------> Anyways, that was quite entertaining. Imagine boxer once he has a solid grasp on this game and is in shape...His drop harass was so gosu. Even his rine micro in the first clash was so....Boxer'esque. :D Look forward to seeing more. Thanks Artosis~! | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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Scotland38 Posts
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Australia407 Posts
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altered
Switzerland646 Posts
Also, i have a question to the people who think artosis is a bad caster. Who do you think is a good caster? Because i dont know many people who are better than him and english speaking. Day9 and superdanielman are the only ones i know, who seem to be on a equivalent (or higher) level of game insight and commenting capabilities (and maybe tasteless). If you know better people feel free to inform me. And how is this not EPIC? Its boxer for fucks sake, everything he touches turns to pure epicness. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
The only thing I really don't get, is why Idra didn't build maybe a few spore crawlers or a few extra queens to take care of the drop ships, he could then of used the queens to heal his ultras too. Still, Idra's creep spreading is insane. | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:19 Qikz wrote: Cool game, I can't believe nobodies ever thought of dropping tanks on those cliffs before, that'll be such a good spot to take in TvT. The only thing I really don't get, is why Idra didn't build maybe a few spore crawlers or a few extra queens to take care of the drop ships, he could then of used the queens to heal his ultras too. Still, Idra's creep spreading is insane. Lol, are you serious? ive even done that in my insane 800point diamond games. | ||
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Patriot.dlk
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United States825 Posts
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Canada378 Posts
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Snowfield
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Katowice25012 Posts
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:37 Snowfield wrote: Didint think teh game was too epic, i mean, it looked like most of my own TvZ's on this map, sit in base make marine tank medevac, get gold ecpo, get fucked by ultras cool can I get your replays. You did triple dropship play like the video right? And killed all the expos hatches at least once... Replays would be nice~ On October 01 2010 17:39 heyoka wrote: Boxer vs a race that doesn't have scourge for his dropships I was thinking that, I was like what if Zerg did not have anti-air against boxer? And there it was. If Boxer learns how to macro decently he will be so good, so good~ | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:40 ooni wrote: cool can I get your replays. You did triple dropship play like the video right? And killed all the expos hatches at least once... Replays would be nice~ Too little, too late / not enough, the game was over at the first fight anyway, idra had like 10 ultras left over, he couldve killed boxers army even if it was twice the size. Don't get me wrong, i mean, he's decent, the dropship stuff was cute, he had a good BO etc, but i just didn't think the game was epic. But by all means, step up and defend your bff some more. | ||
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Viruuus
Germany451 Posts
If Boxer learns how to macro decently he will be so good, so good~ QFT, his macro really couldve been a tad better, but still amazing skill shown right there | ||
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Germany43 Posts
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:27 Snowfield wrote: Lol, are you serious? ive even done that in my insane 800point diamond games. I've done it and seen it done many times. But when we talk about boxer emotions get in the way and Artosis probably had to comment through tears of joy you know | ||
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Utopianer
Germany19 Posts
Wohhhooo Hooooray Idra ... go Zergi !!!! absolute nice and awesome match thx | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On October 01 2010 18:06 humblegar wrote: when we talk about boxer emotions get in the way so much truth in this | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:39 heyoka wrote: Boxer vs a race that doesn't have scourge for his dropships oh my god. forget race imba, map imba. boxer with medivacs is going to be unstoppable! + Show Spoiler + I hope. I was pretty disappointed when I saw Boxer playing SC last year (?) because he was so much more... standard. I hope he gets to pull of awesome strategies and plays since sc2 is still new right now. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
Boxer was the man, now he isn't a top level bw player anymore. His skills have diminished some or he simply couldn't keep up with the evolution of bw mechanics. Now he did some cute micro in this game vs idra, but obviously his macro wasn't there. Is this something that he can improve with practice? Of course... Has boxer been known for macro ever? | ||
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drlame
Sweden574 Posts
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Shimeone
Belgium16 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + However, and this is a real question from a newbie like me, i don't understand why IdrA didn't make any AA to prevent those medivacs droping everywhere on the map? | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
It scares me how late he GG'd at the end. Does that mean he's made a comeback from that far behind in the past? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
thankyou for the hookup | ||
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
On October 01 2010 18:40 Shimeone wrote: That was a very interesting game. Very fun to watch. + Show Spoiler + However, and this is a real question from a newbie like me, i don't understand why IdrA didn't make any AA to prevent those medivacs droping everywhere on the map? Answer coming from another newb. Spoiler just in case. + Show Spoiler + I think he didn't made any AA because he was broke almoste the whole game. He probably figured that he couldn't get the amounts of muta / hyrdas needed while keeping a strong ground army. | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + But you kinda knew Idra was gonna win, since Artosis was casting it. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
seriously don't click this if you dont want to get spoilered+ Show Spoiler + I think spoiler tags are overused. It makes reading a lot of posts pretty annoying. This is #1 not a major league game #2 the video was posted directly in this thread. anybody reading this thread should expect spoilers. please stop using spoiler tags so intensely. if forum rules explicitly suggest otherwise I'm very sorry, forget my comment | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Yotta
United States270 Posts
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Thurokiir
United States779 Posts
On October 01 2010 18:42 TedJustice wrote: + Show Spoiler + It scares me how late he GG'd at the end. Does that mean he's made a comeback from that far behind in the past? one of his most legendary wins came from never GGing and winning the game with 3-4 drop ships and 8~ goliaths. | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On October 01 2010 19:25 Thurokiir wrote: one of his most legendary wins came from never GGing and winning the game with 3-4 drop ships and 8~ goliaths. I remember that | ||
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vanTuni
389 Posts
anyways. tbh, I think we're all over-hyping Boxer's play a little here. Sure, his late-game harras was nice, and i liked the cliff-action alot. but idra could have just a-moved into his main once he crushed the cliff. no idea why he didnt do that. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
what exactly is the point of this post? even idra is higher ranked than him... User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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tacrats
476 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:19 Qikz wrote: Cool game, I can't believe nobodies ever thought of dropping tanks on those cliffs before, that'll be such a good spot to take in TvT. The only thing I really don't get, is why Idra didn't build maybe a few spore crawlers or a few extra queens to take care of the drop ships, he could then of used the queens to heal his ultras too. Still, Idra's creep spreading is insane. spore crawlers wouldn't kill any medivacs. boxer would just drop outside of their range. waste of minerals especially when idra had no hatches running. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
thanks artosis mate | ||
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Foogs
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On October 01 2010 19:39 Heimatloser wrote: So he lost to Idra, we remember, a guy who didnt even make the round of 16 in the gsl. what exactly is the point of this post? even idra is higher ranked than him... Obvious troll is obvious. When Cool/Tester say that IdrA is one of the best macro zergs in the world I can assure you that IdrA is pretty good. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
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Denmark154 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Yes, Idra won, Idra outplayed Boxer and Idra had control of the match from the point where he destroyed Boxer's main army. But what's amazing about the game and what is making people excited is not the fact that he lost, but the manner in which he lost, and more specifically how he managed to do SO MUCH damage with so few units for like a full 15 minutes. Despite only having half the army size, he ran Idra around and around the map, sniping stuff left and right and managed to kill his expansions multiple times. At one point Idra was forced to long distance mine from the gold because he was basically broke and couldn't afford to rebuild another hatchery. The point is that if Boxer can do that much in a game where he's down 60 food and has basically no chance of winning, it's exciting to think what moves he could manage to pull out in a situation where he reaches the midgame on equal footing. | ||
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Canada5565 Posts
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
On October 01 2010 20:12 FuRong wrote: I think a lot of people are missing the point here. + Show Spoiler + Yes, Idra won, Idra outplayed Boxer and Idra had control of the match from the point where he destroyed Boxer's main army. But what's amazing about the game and what is making people excited is not the fact that he lost, but the manner in which he lost, and more specifically how he managed to do SO MUCH damage with so few units for like a full 15 minutes. Despite only having half the army size, he ran Idra around and around the map, sniping stuff left and right and managed to kill his expansions multiple times. At one point Idra was forced to long distance mine from the gold because he was basically broke and couldn't afford to rebuild another hatchery. The point is that if Boxer can do that much in a game where he's down 60 food and has basically no chance of winning, it's exciting to think what moves he could manage to pull out in a situation where he reaches the midgame on equal footing. + Show Spoiler + Even Boxer wouldn't be able to do that had idra built a few mutalisks with that massive economy he had. Neither would he do that if idra A moved with the massive advantage he had at many points in the game. Idra only held off because he's a very safe player. Really, I was so confused as to why Idra let so many drops happen. He had complete vision over the map and knew where almost every single drop came from. And so much damage with so little units? What did he do special to do that? Drop 8 marines far away from ultra ball - stim - focus fire hatchery. Really, this game wasn't all that good. | ||
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Thailand2 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On October 01 2010 18:40 Shimeone wrote: That was a very interesting game. Very fun to watch. + Show Spoiler + However, and this is a real question from a newbie like me, i don't understand why IdrA didn't make any AA to prevent those medivacs droping everywhere on the map? Well his reasoning was surely that hydras just suck against Terran and that Mutalisks wouldve been weak that late into the game with no upgrades. So he figured he needed to deal with anti air purely with infestors On October 01 2010 19:39 Heimatloser wrote: So he lost to Idra, we remember, a guy who didnt even make the round of 16 in the gsl. what exactly is the point of this post? even idra is higher ranked than him... lol you're an idiot first of all, idra is the 2nd or 3rd best Zerg in korea. Secondly, Boxer was still a bw coach/player until a very short time ago, he's gonna improve fast. Thirdly, this was just one game and it showed a lot of potential, in a different game he might have won. It was quite impressive how he held on despite being like 50 supply behind. Thx a whole lot, Artosis | ||
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AveiMil
Norway138 Posts
On October 01 2010 20:25 frucisky wrote: + Show Spoiler + Even Boxer wouldn't be able to do that had idra built a few mutalisks with that massive economy he had. Neither would he do that if idra A moved with the massive advantage he had at many points in the game. Idra only held off because he's a very safe player. Really, I was so confused as to why Idra let so many drops happen. He had complete vision over the map and knew where almost every single drop came from. And so much damage with so little units? What did he do special to do that? Drop 8 marines far away from ultra ball - stim - focus fire hatchery. Really, this game wasn't all that good. + Show Spoiler + I agree, the match was a rather poor one-sided game. Despite the fact that Idra could have made things even easier with some added air control he was never under threat to lose the game. This just confirms my own feelings that if you fail to do damage to an eco-booming Zerg in the early game, as Boxer did more or less no sucecssful harrassment, you'll struggle and fall behind the Zerg quickly. On the other side of the coin, if the Zerg fails to defend vs harass in the early game it's auto-win for Terran. Kind of a lame matchup imho. | ||
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Crt
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1. Idra played well, but not great, because he can't multitask. 2. Boxer already played over 700 games, so his ability has been stabilizing. Sure he harassed well at the end, but he needs to find ways to expand and multitask at the beginning. Clumping up units up till mid game is definitely not top notch play. | ||
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VForce
Germany90 Posts
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oBlade
United States5584 Posts
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Artrey
Germany270 Posts
- he missed multiple good opportunities for fungals (the lone thor, the marine blob, several dropships..), it got a bit better in the end though (loved the fungal + infested terran) - he looked pretty helpless against the tanks on highground (took him ages to drop one ultra there, when his initial assault was defeated) - he did not fight the drops properly although he had almost full map vision - his macro was not really strong either - nothing compared to what Cool and ITR are doing at the GSL, just slightly ahead of Boxer, in terms of bases as well as worker count / resource gain - he should definitely have gotten some Mutas, especially do deal with all the drops - Idra had full vision of the map, yet it did not feel that he had map control. Mutas or static defense might have changed that more to his favor and allow him to expand even further If Boxer had gotten Vikings or Banshees earlier, it would have changed a lot. Add in a raven and a few marines to clean up the creep and idra would have been in serious trouble. I think Idra is too inflexible in his strategies and sometimes to narrow-visioned. It is probably a good and solid strategy and works against most of the standard stuff, but I would like to see more creativity and improvisation, as well as more large-scale oriented expansion. Do not try to be slightly ahead of your opponent, rather fully conquer the map and crush them. :D That is also more fun to watch! All of that is just my unimportant noob opinion of course. | ||
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Kewlots
Australia534 Posts
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
i mean if i was a top player and i meet boxer i would shat my pants T_T | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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Dave.
Ireland272 Posts
Thought IdrA played really well and his creep spreading was some of the most proactive I've seen. Boxer's play was awesome too, especially how he was able to continuously harass despite a pretty large food differential. | ||
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PTZ.
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I haven't really followed the BW pro scene in a long time so I'm guessing that Boxer is only 'casually' playing SC2 so far since this is the 1st game I've seen of him. If he has the time for it, he'll get absolutely beastly in SC2 with some more practice. Also, like Artosis mentioned, I think that's the first time I've seen anyone try to take advantage of the high-ground platforms next to the watch towers. Cool stuff. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On October 01 2010 20:25 frucisky wrote: + Show Spoiler + Even Boxer wouldn't be able to do that had idra built a few mutalisks with that massive economy he had. Neither would he do that if idra A moved with the massive advantage he had at many points in the game. Idra only held off because he's a very safe player. Really, I was so confused as to why Idra let so many drops happen. He had complete vision over the map and knew where almost every single drop came from. And so much damage with so little units? What did he do special to do that? Drop 8 marines far away from ultra ball - stim - focus fire hatchery. Really, this game wasn't all that good. + Show Spoiler + Boxer is playing in this match, that automatically made your opinions other than Boxer is awesome, invalid. Very entertaining game this is, Much love for doing this for the community! a lil too bad that the quality is quite shitty | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
About the game itself, + Show Spoiler + It was disheartening to see BoxeR get dominated like this even though he showed mind blowing tactics and micro, staying in the game with a ~60 lower food count. This is considering IdrA basically loses to any decent Terran player these days. | ||
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Littlebootz
United States108 Posts
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WaZuP
Germany487 Posts
hope the match is as big as the contestants :D | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2585 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
*qq*"Idra made a few mistakes during a 30 minutes LADDER game"*qq* *qq*"Boxer is too old and bad because he isn't unbeatable after only few weeks of practicing and his macro isn't perfect so therefor I'm not impressed even though I myself is in silver*qq* Grow the fuck up loosers. It was great to see that Boxer really has the same style in SC2 as in BW. With more time he will become so sick. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
But superbly epic match nonetheless! We haven't really seen many interesting tactics in most high level games, and this match was full of them. No doubt BoxeR will be even more of a beast by GSL2. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Malloy
Canada166 Posts
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Coulthard
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Orph
Canada26 Posts
[QUOTE]On October 01 2010 17:37 Snowfield wrote: Didint think teh game was too epic, i mean, it looked like most of my own TvZ's on this map, sit in base make marine tank medevac, get gold ecpo, get fucked by ultras[/QUOTE] cool can I get your replays. You did triple dropship play like the video right? And killed all the expos hatches at least once... Replays would be nice~ the difference between multiple drop ship by terran n defend the drop as zerg is simple the terran need 60 apm to drop in 3 location n the zerg need 600 apm to stop it... | ||
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thragar
Canada450 Posts
Boxer seemed almost timid at the beginning parts of the game, but damn when he started using those medivacs it was awesome. He should clearly join Startale for SC2!... or TL. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On October 01 2010 21:56 thragar wrote: Artosis, we need more like this! Except get your computer fixed. =] Boxer seemed almost timid at the beginning parts of the game, but damn when he started using those medivacs it was awesome. He should clearly join Startale for SC2!... or TL. If Boxer wants to be in a Team he would make one himself, instead of joining other nublets imo.... yes, i'd bet Boxer was jumping up and down in excitement when he heard there's no more Scourge for zergs in SC2. | ||
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Stabby.aus
Australia94 Posts
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
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Keype
Sweden455 Posts
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Norway1060 Posts
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:58 Snowfield wrote: Too little, too late / not enough, the game was over at the first fight anyway, idra had like 10 ultras left over, he couldve killed boxers army even if it was twice the size. Don't get me wrong, i mean, he's decent, the dropship stuff was cute, he had a good BO etc, but i just didn't think the game was epic. But by all means, step up and defend your bff some more. oh what? you don't have a replay anything like that? You said the games were like that, why would you lie to people like that? ON THE INTERNET, no less! I'm starting to see a pattern here! Hmph! Also who said the game was epic? Does every game a good player plays need to be epic? On October 01 2010 17:58 Viruuus wrote: QFT, his macro really couldve been a tad better, but still amazing skill shown right there naw, his macro seemed kinda off, maybe I am macro heavy but I usually don't miss 4 mules only on 2 bases =_=, then again I don't do triple drops. On October 01 2010 21:56 Orph wrote: the difference between multiple drop ship by terran n defend the drop as zerg is simple the terran need 60 apm to drop in 3 location n the zerg need 600 apm to stop it... Yep, only need 60 APM to do triple drops, imma put this on my Starcraft notes. | ||
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Rolster
United States19 Posts
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On October 01 2010 22:45 Sixes wrote: Am I the only one wondering why Idra didn't make hydras ? With his creep spread and the infestors he could have killed a lot of those drops if he just had some anti air ... not talking about an army of hydras but 2 groups of 3 well placed would have done. Even after the last patch hydras get owned by tanks.. the only gound units that dont is ultras and boxer went mass tanks in start. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
you think you'd play a perfect game against a terran who has killed like 5 hatcheries already, let alone it being boxer? | ||
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Sweden88 Posts
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On October 01 2010 21:56 Orph wrote: Actually it usually has a lot more to do with preperation to stop drops rather than on the spot 7600 apm. And the dropping is usually harder to do mechanically. It's a lot like playing defensive, you have to account for every possible push given your information. It's a lot easier to do some random fixed timing push (or drop) but it's ultimately up to your opponent whether it succeeds or not*. If you play enough games and really put in the effort you can become virtually invincible to this kind of stuff (not that anyone ever will though), It's about having the right spotters in the right places, just like defending 4gate means having the right units at the right time, not droning hardcore and then going f*** and doing some 555 apm spawning action. *if there was one that would succeed regardless of your opponents actions it would become the only viable strategy basically, aside from hitting even earlier. | ||
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ziz
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I thought he would ddo something amazing but nevertheless, he is the emperor... he WILL figure out something better | ||
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Grettin
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On October 01 2010 23:03 ziz wrote: rather disappointing video I thought he would ddo something amazing but nevertheless, he is the emperor... he WILL figure out something better I hope you aren't saying that he didn't do anything 'amazing'. That multitasking, harass was amazing. There isn't that much people doing things like that. But of course you cant compare this to his BW things. | ||
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doktorFunken
United States41 Posts
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Rhakhar
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Thanks for the commentary Artosis! However, I think there are a lot of fan boys here. Boxer did well, but he didn't do amazing, nor did he deserve the repeated compliments in the commentary, it kind of annoyed me honestly. With a bit of serious practice I'm sure Boxer would take Idra blindfolded. However, in this game Idra decimated him and there wasn't anything superb about Boxer's gameplay. I'd love to see Boxer go full time SC2, I'm sure he's capable of amazing gameplay. | ||
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Denmark32 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Sixes
Canada1123 Posts
On October 01 2010 22:54 TaKemE wrote: Even after the last patch hydras get owned by tanks.. the only gound units that dont is ultras and boxer went mass tanks in start. I wasn't considering hydras as offense. 6 hydras (2 groups of 3) just annihilate dropships and make the drop action much more difficult especially with infestors around to FG. The creep spread means that the hydras can get to any infestor fast to take out a drop. At that point tanks are irrelevant as they are nowhere near the drops. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On October 01 2010 22:55 OutlaW- wrote: omg now everyones trying to be a smartass and point out any mistake they can think of, cause fuck yea, they are better than them obviously you think you'd play a perfect game against a terran who has killed like 5 hatcheries already, let alone it being boxer? Yeah people around here could use a little humility. Everyone here thinks they know better, but playing armchair quarterback doesn't get you into the top 200. | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
What I especially didn't get was the lack of any real effective early harass. He made 3 reapers, did basically nothing with them, and then let IdrA spend the next 10 minutes macroing up and covering the map in creep. Everyone knows if you let IdrA play his favored macro game without disrupting him, he's gonna win. Although for IdrA's part I thought he could have played a bit better as well. Specifically, the utter lack fo anti-air beyond Infestors was all that allowed Boxer to stay in this as long as he did--even a half dozen hydras would have ended this match significantly earlier. Don't get me wrong, Boxer's micro was great, and IdrA's macro is terrific as always. But I think both players are capable of playing significantly better than they did here. Still, its definitely nice to see Boxer's playstyle, and props to Artosis for getting this up for everyone to watch. | ||
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kerminator
Austria75 Posts
really some nice stuff you uploaded. i especially liked the gsl qualifier vids. ive subscribed to you long ago but i have to say you should upload videos in better quality and maybe not on lowest settings. | ||
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McFoo
United Kingdom180 Posts
Nice to see IdrA is mastering the creep mechanic. Hope to see purple maps in GSL2. | ||
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ava34
United Kingdom153 Posts
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Krejven
Sweden105 Posts
Boxer, gogo! | ||
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Psychatog
Philippines71 Posts
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Competent
United States406 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
On October 01 2010 22:54 TaKemE wrote: Even after the last patch hydras get owned by tanks.. the only gound units that dont is ultras and boxer went mass tanks in start. That doesn't really explain why idra didn't make a couple hydras like sixes suggested. I agree with him, a few well placed hydras could have shut Boxer's harass down in large part, especially in conjunction with an infestor. The idea wasn't to engage the tanks with hydras, it was to defend against drops with them. Idra had perfect vision of every drop before they happened. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
I get the feeling idra likes showing imba more than he likes winning. I mean he's obviously a great player though. | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On October 02 2010 00:35 babolatt wrote: Why is Idra so stubborn? Every game I see him play he just sticks to his plan even when it fails over and over and over again. It's like that game vs drewbie where he just kept sending waves and waves of ultras through the Terran front, not taking advantage of destructible rocks or broodlords. I get the feeling idra likes showing imba more than he likes winning. I mean he's obviously a great player though. he won that game using broodlords. | ||
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
On October 02 2010 00:37 frog HERO wrote: he won that game using broodlords. Yeah I know, I meant sooner. It was just frustrating to watch him walk ultras into the front of drewbie's base over and over again and just always have bad position when there were destructible rocks right behind the base etc. It's just an observation, I'm not an expert. | ||
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
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sLiniss
United States849 Posts
But I'm still an IdrA Fanboy. Thanks for the video Artosis. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:37 Snowfield wrote: Didint think teh game was too epic, i mean, it looked like most of my own TvZ's on this map, sit in base make marine tank medevac, get gold ecpo, get fucked by ultras Oversimplifying a very entertaining game whilst comparing yourself to BoxeR. Thanks for the laugh. | ||
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trevabob
United Kingdom350 Posts
BoxeR that aside though, nice vid etc. | ||
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
idra was quite sloppy in this game letting like 4 hatches die to stupid little drops when he had full ground control all over the map, IdrA has sick macro but imo his micro is lacking, many times he could have fungeled drop ships and ruin Boxer's air control which was the only thing that kept him in the game. great game non the less and i cant wait to see the emperor in gsl2 | ||
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Germany157 Posts
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:22 Hunch wrote: + Show Spoiler + idra was quite sloppy in this game letting like 4 hatches die to stupid little drops when he had full ground control all over the map, IdrA has sick macro but imo his micro is lacking, many times he could have fungeled drop ships and ruin Boxer's air control which was the only thing that kept him in the game. great game non the less and i cant wait to see the emperor in gsl2 thats why you call it ladder game not dead serious tournament game | ||
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nik_0_0
Canada82 Posts
1. NesTea 2. ManofOneway 3. BoxeR ??? Just thought it was interesting =) http://sc2ranks.com/div/19104 | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:33 nik_0_0 wrote: Anyone else find it interesting that the Diamond Division that Boxer is in goes: 1. NesTea 2. ManofOneway 3. BoxeR ??? Just thought it was interesting =) http://sc2ranks.com/div/19104 Number 4 is "Slayer" making it even more interesting... and they are all terran!? Does he seriously have three bnet accounts in the same division? | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On October 02 2010 01:38 aidnai wrote: Number 4 is "Slayer" making it even more interesting... and they are all terran!? Does he seriously have three bnet accounts in the same division? Ofcause not.. that is other players.. alot are copying big names. | ||
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Ohdamn
Germany765 Posts
absolutely awesome to see those two legends play on ladder! btw i'd love to see this hydra/creep strat you talked about! i actually can't see this working on such a large map O_o | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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darkwing.Huzow
United States35 Posts
On October 01 2010 13:39 babolatt wrote: It's interesting that esports is one of the only things where people have this idea that people can't judge other people's skill just because they aren't as good themselves. I can watch Hockey and tell when a player isn't as good as another player, or is playing poorly even though I'm not a great hockey player. I think the point isn't that you shouldn't critique pros but you should be realistic about it. A lot of people here need a lot more humility. When you're comparing Drew Brees to Tom Brady you would never say something like, "They look like I did when I played in high school" unless you are a mouth-breathing douchebag. Beat IdrA or BoxeR a tournament, then tell me that this match looks like your TvZ matchups. Until then you're just making yourself a laughingstock. I do think critiquing pros should totally be inbounds - that's part of any spectator sport. Who cares if you're gold or bronze, everyone can watch and appreciate pros play and decide for themselves who they think is good. But even in relatively simple (compared to SC) games like basketball or hockey, amateurs simply don't know all the little, subtle things that are going on. Of course you can see how baller Kobe or Lebron are, but you really aren't going to be able to judge their skill precisely by watching their play. Certainly not as well as another pro could judge them. But it's clearly ridiculous for anyone to say we shouldn't be judging pros. Of course we should be. It's a spectator sport. That's what spectators do. ... It's also ridiculous to say anything negative about BoxeR's play here. The triple-pronged attacks are just pants on the ground good. I haven't seen any of the current generation of SC2 pros use micro that good. When Boxer gets up to speed he's going to crush the current top 200 (same is probably true for all the Koreans who haven't switched from BW to SC2 yet). On October 01 2010 19:31 frucisky wrote: And towards the end, he should have GGed rather than doing that gold level terran stuff. How does he expect to come back with no CCs and just 2 siege tanks >.< It's a fucking game and he was having fun? Why so serious? On October 01 2010 20:12 FuRong wrote: I think a lot of people are missing the point here. Yes, Idra won, Idra outplayed Boxer and Idra had control of the match from the point where he destroyed Boxer's main army. But what's amazing about the game and what is making people excited is not the fact that he lost, but the manner in which he lost, and more specifically how he managed to do SO MUCH damage with so few units for like a full 15 minutes. Despite only having half the army size, he ran Idra around and around the map, sniping stuff left and right and managed to kill his expansions multiple times. At one point Idra was forced to long distance mine from the gold because he was basically broke and couldn't afford to rebuild another hatchery. The point is that if Boxer can do that much in a game where he's down 60 food and has basically no chance of winning, it's exciting to think what moves he could manage to pull out in a situation where he reaches the midgame on equal footing. (Removed spoiler tags per the comment above that this is a ladder game and the replay is in the first post, so there's no reason for anyone to be spoiled - just watch the game!) Yes, I agree completely with this. The point is, if BoxeR's macro - by which I mean mostly keeping mineral at 0 and expanding faster - was better, he would rape. Because of what he showed he was capable of with a very small relative army size. Godly micro on display. | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
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ocho
United States172 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Both players just make me want to play sc2 and never stop until I'm as good as them. Boxer should have been screwed all game but SOMEHOW he just keeps killing hatcheries, amazing play. And Idra, I'm totally copying that 3 queen tactic. | ||
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darkwing.Huzow
United States35 Posts
On October 02 2010 03:03 Osmoses wrote: Awesome friggin game oO Both players just make me want to play sc2 and never stop until I'm as good as them. Boxer should have been screwed all game but SOMEHOW he just keeps killing hatcheries, amazing play. And Idra, I'm totally copying that 3 queen tactic. Totally. eff my job, when am I gonna win the lottery and be able to dedicate myself to SC? | ||
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JIJI_
United States123 Posts
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
Man, i have to spread my creep ALOT more. | ||
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SuperYo1000
United States880 Posts
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 02 2010 02:18 darkwing.Huzow wrote: It's a fucking game and he was having fun? Why so serious? No way. BoxeR was making a banshee, those things can kill like 500 ultralisks, seriously. | ||
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Bob Loblaw
England211 Posts
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
On October 02 2010 03:40 SuperYo1000 wrote: I'd like to see boxer matched up with a zerg player who was way into nydus worms.......Because I dont know who it was but I watched some Pro zerg player do some heavy nydus worming all over the place all at the same time and I got the same feeling when watching boxer which was...."dude what a bad ass" im pretty sure that was Cool/Fruitdealer. He would attack an expo and build a nydus worm while attacking, do a bunch of damage and get away clean. It was magnificent. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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BrodiaQ
United States892 Posts
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EvasivE
United States70 Posts
but wow awesome creative plays from boxer, i think i could sense that idra was a bit flustered but just out-macrod boxer. once he plays a bit more i think boxer will have better transitions and macro mechanics and will be a force to be reckoned with. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 02 2010 04:05 EvasivE wrote: i had an erection for 27min 53 sec, a new personal record. but wow awesome creative plays from boxer, i think i could sense that idra was a bit flustered but just out-macrod boxer. once he plays a bit more i think boxer will have better transitions and macro mechanics and will be a force to be reckoned with. Another 3 hours and 22 minutes and 7 seconds, and you'd have been in trouble | ||
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rally_point
Canada458 Posts
Thanks again Artosis | ||
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JinNJuice
United States255 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 02 2010 04:22 JinNJuice wrote: Awesome game by both players. Idra's play was really solid and strong. And seriously to people saying that Idra should've gotten some AA for the drops, it would be so inefficient to do any tech swaps at any point in the game once he went ultra/ling. Mid game, if he tried to drop a spire/hydra den, his hive/ultra tech would've been much later and he would've been rolled by those tanks. Late game, he was supply capped at 200/200 with ultras/ling/infestor. Hydralisks are too slow, even on creep, to catch up to that many drops happening at once, and unless Idra made alot of hydralisks guarding each base for drops, trying to get AA wouldn't have made much sense to me imo. all idra had to do was position infestors better and watch the minimap better and alot of those drop would have been minimalized. but yeah he didn't need AA just a little more refined play (and not getting flustered by the crazy drops) | ||
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aeoliant
Canada361 Posts
haha but seriously great game to watch from both players thanks for uploading | ||
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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muzzy
United States640 Posts
It was fun to see such big names duke it out, but neither Boxer nor Idra played outstanding that game. I especially think Boxer is being a little overhyped... but what can you expect? It's Boxer! Some clever micro, but I wasn't terribly impressed with the rest of his play. Again though, no surprise, he's not a pro SC2 player (yet?). | ||
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Fojji
United Kingdom217 Posts
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StunnerZ4
38 Posts
On October 02 2010 05:18 muzzy wrote: Was a good game, but can we be honest for a min- it wasn't AMAZING. It was fun to see such big names duke it out, but neither Boxer nor Idra played outstanding that game. I especially think Boxer is being a little overhyped... but what can you expect? It's Boxer! Some clever micro, but I wasn't terribly impressed with the rest of his play. Again though, no surprise, he's not a pro SC2 player (yet?). Good point. However, I don't think anybody could be classified as a "pro" until the release of the expansion. However, I take that back. Cool and Rainbow should be given the title as "pro on sc2" simply because of how they dominated their "ro8-ro4" opponents. But, with everybody making the transition onto Starcraft 2, I don't see iDra or any forigner making it into the top 64. Unless it's me playing of course | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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venger
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JQL
United States214 Posts
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noD
2230 Posts
I can imagine idra talking to artosis -man I played a noob terran but he was capable of attacking me in 4 fronts at the same time and do some nice drops -what was his name ? -oh manofsomething ... -omfg | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
Than you for quoting this epic game! | ||
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altered
Switzerland646 Posts
On October 02 2010 05:27 StunnerZ4 wrote: Good point. However, I don't think anybody could be classified as a "pro" until the release of the expansion. However, I take that back. Cool and Rainbow should be given the title as "pro on sc2" simply because of how they dominated their "ro8-ro4" opponents. But, with everybody making the transition onto Starcraft 2, I don't see iDra or any forigner making it into the top 64. Unless it's me playing of course Being "pro"(fessional) has nothing to do with expansions or how long the game has been out or how hard you dominate your opponents. A pro is a person who earns money by the playing the game. The opposite of pro is amateur and that dooesnt mean your not good at the game, it only means you earn your money doing other things. | ||
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muzzy
United States640 Posts
On October 02 2010 05:56 altered wrote: Being "pro"(fessional) has nothing to do with expansions or how long the game has been out or how hard you dominate your opponents. A pro is a person who earns money by the playing the game. The opposite of pro is amateur and that dooesnt mean your not good at the game, it only means you earn your money doing other things. This. Which is exactly what I meant- Boxer isn't paid to play SC2 so it's no surprise for me to see Idra outplaying him. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:48 Fa1nT wrote: Go turn all settings to ultra turn on fraps Are you lagging? If not, you got a 1200+$ PC. I'm sure artosis would like free money if it meets your needs Or a $600 PC. An old c2d + 4gb ram + $150 video card is all you need to run on ultra and capture video at the same time. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 02 2010 06:22 artanis2 wrote: Or a $600 PC. An old c2d + 4gb ram + $150 video card is all you need to run on ultra and capture video at the same time. Pray tell what is this $150 video card you speak of? | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:44 MorroW wrote: i think the game was over for a really long time, idra just ran around with that ultralisk army when he could finish the game at anytime, i guess he just wanted a safe win. i thought idra was alot better at stopping drops than this game, with creep all over the map its not that hard tbh tnx for vod however this is a really stupid thing to say. he wasnt running around with an ultra army being idle, boxer took out his hatches left and right. boxer is know for this agressive multi prong attacks its never easy to stop them all esp against someone like boxer. | ||
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genopath
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
On October 02 2010 06:25 JinDesu wrote: Pray tell what is this $150 video card you speak of? Agreed. I too would like to know this. | ||
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ckjy
United States12 Posts
On October 02 2010 06:31 TheAngelofDeath wrote: Agreed. I too would like to know this. Perhaps one like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150497 | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On October 02 2010 06:25 JinDesu wrote: Pray tell what is this $150 video card you speak of? Radeon hd5770. I play on ultra at 1680x1050. edit: I haven't looked at the specs of the 5830, so I don't know how it compares. It costs more, so it might perform better. edit2: This is mine: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102898&cm_re=hd5770-_-14-102-898-_-Product | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
they are serious crying ? heheh they love sc1 as sport huh =X | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 02 2010 06:55 artanis2 wrote: Radeon hd5770. I play on ultra at 1680x1050. edit: I haven't looked at the specs of the 5830, so I don't know how it compares. It costs more, so it might perform better. edit2: This is mine: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102898&cm_re=hd5770-_-14-102-898-_-Product I checked the 5830, it performs well with starcraft 2. I don't know if it will be able to record on FRAPs (can yours? let me know) while running at a good resolution on Ultra. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On October 01 2010 14:38 mcleod wrote: not saying it was a stomp but idra coulda ended that game several times, hes just a very safe player and held off until it was 100% in his mind The way boxer clawed his way back into the game was amazing, I have no idea what you are talking about. Idra didn't end it so boxer took advantage and did a lot of damage even while behind 50 food. If you didn't enjoy that game I don't know what you will enjoy, once the fighting started it didn't stop. | ||
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mrgoochio
United States557 Posts
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On October 02 2010 08:24 ibreakurface wrote: The way boxer clawed his way back into the game was amazing, I have no idea what you are talking about. Idra didn't end it so boxer took advantage and did a lot of damage even while behind 50 food. If you didn't enjoy that game I don't know what you will enjoy, once the fighting started it didn't stop. Boxer didn't claw his way back. It was pretty obvious that idra wasn't trying after minute 5 when he had the game won with creep everywhere. It was 2 base to 4+ base for a long time. Idra was just trying to have fun with it. Certainly not a serious battle as you have described. | ||
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Comrade
Sweden102 Posts
On October 02 2010 09:19 JayDee_ wrote: Boxer didn't claw his way back. It was pretty obvious that idra wasn't trying after minute 5 when he had the game won with creep everywhere. It was 2 base to 4+ base for a long time. Idra was just trying to have fun with it. Certainly not a serious battle as you have described. a little biased are we? | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
I don't know how long ago this replay was but Boxer obviously still needs more practice. He's probably not used to the pacing yet since expos come much quicker than BW. Good to finally see a replay though. | ||
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zJayy962
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On October 02 2010 09:19 JayDee_ wrote: Boxer didn't claw his way back. It was pretty obvious that idra wasn't trying after minute 5 when he had the game won with creep everywhere. It was 2 base to 4+ base for a long time. Idra was just trying to have fun with it. Certainly not a serious battle as you have described. Killing like 6 expos with drops and going from a 50 food deficit to a 20 food defecate is clawing your way back. Idra wasn't fucking around that game, they both took it seriously. Idra was ahead nearly the whole game, but when Idra gave him even the slightest chance to come back boxer utilized it. Don't boil it down to "lol idra was fkn round." | ||
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Quepp42
United States96 Posts
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jaerak
United States124 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/UVWl9.png) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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OOl
United States65 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:11 NuKedUFirst wrote: I don't believe it's Boxer. It could be anyone. Post replay for evidence. I'm not saying it to be an ass but http://sc2ranks.com/search/contains/all/manofoneway there are 2. If it so happens to be boxer then thank you so much! Been wanting to see his play. hmm yeah either boxer's the 1800+ diamond player or the 30 copper. I don't know man not sure which one played idra in the ladder. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
We need this guy for e-sport. We need to give credit where credit is due. Boxer was reasonably close to forcing Idra into a situation in which he can not even afford to make a hatchery. The mere direction of Boxer's game plan is out of the box in itself. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 02 2010 10:01 Quepp42 wrote: I feel like if Idra had like 2 control groups of ultras, one being a small group of three or so, he could have used them to stop the drops and the other ones to just end the game. But what do I know, I'm a noob right? Really now? The drops that occurred were always almost a full map length away from each other, ultras move pretty slow and if they happen simultaneously, it's pretty hard to defend both sides of the map. I assume Idra wasn't able to finish the game because since he's so good as managing his econ, he probably wasn't floating a lot of minerals and so with Boxer sniping hatcheries, it was basically keeping Idra in a similar situation as himself, low mineral, which is why idra had to resort to long distance mining at the end. | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
If Boxer takes this game on seriously, he's going to be scary. | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On October 02 2010 11:44 FREEloss_ca wrote: Some of the posts in this thread seriously make me face palm. There's some severe lack of respect and appreciation for Boxer. If Boxer takes this game on seriously, he's going to be scary. This. Obviously, IdrA is a top player and one of the best for that matter. Sure, BoxeR has played around 700+ matches but who's to say a lot of those are not just casual-having-fun games or just trying to understand the game more while laddering? | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra. This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics. The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place. | ||
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Andramalius
United States17 Posts
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Pobearo
United States351 Posts
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Shakawkaw
Argentina3 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On October 02 2010 06:31 TheAngelofDeath wrote: Agreed. I too would like to know this. I bought a 450 dollar PC (AMD Quad-core w/ 3gb RAM) + 150 dollar video card and I can run SC2 at 30 fps on Ultra. The card is a ummm...ATI something or other...lemme look it up. Actually, it's now down to 140 and 125 after mail in rebate. It's a Radeon HD 5770. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873 | ||
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LittleqUeeNn
China9 Posts
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
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omgbbq2
Canada169 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On October 02 2010 11:53 SiguR wrote: There are so many things wrong in this thread i want to puke. 99% of you should not be trying to critique anyone's gameplay, nevermind the play of Boxer and Idra. This game is awesome because its the first game of arguably the greatest SC player playing against one of the best sc2 players in the world. Im pretty sure artosis did not decide to put this video on youtube to demonstrate matchup mechanics. The majority of you need to stop writing stupid shit and just appreciate the fact that this game occurred in the first place. exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 | ||
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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SpiDaH
France198 Posts
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
Really great for sc2, awesome video, loved it. | ||
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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
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Alethios
New Zealand2765 Posts
Fun game, thanks Artosis! | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
love his playstyle | ||
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
On October 02 2010 14:43 billyX333 wrote: exactly. every single time i see a discussion of a pro level game, i hear about 40 noob critiques saying this or that is horrible, or this player is awful and 95% of the those noobs have never gotten any where near the top 200 You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote: You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Exactly, especially in televised games a lot of pro players make noob mistakes due to pressure. | ||
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 02 2010 16:56 BentoBox wrote: You don't need to be a top player to be a critique. What kind of twisted logic is that. Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. | ||
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote: Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? Clearly, there is much to learn from watching better players than yourself duke it out, but if you can't even figure out for yourself what it is that made them lose, then what exactly are you taking out of it? You keep rocking those blinders. fighting! | ||
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
Just in regards to Day9 for example: 'Day[9] has been rated A+/A on ICCUP/PGT on multiple accounts over multiple seasons, has qualified for the WCG USA finals 7 times, has qualified for the WCG Grand Finals 3 times, and won the Pan American Championship in 2007.' He's a brilliant commentator not just because he's fun, but because he's damn good at the game. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote: How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? Day9 isn't a 50 game, plat league noob. Just listen to Artosis's up most respect for Boxer's play, if anyone has any credentials to critique Boxer's play it'll be Artosis, but all had was respect and admiration. | ||
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splints
Canada85 Posts
Oh noes! My new $500 gadget is defective. Since I can't make stuff like that, I should just stand back and appreciate that it happened. idra/boxer made some mistakes. Too bad I can't say sh*t since I am not even close to them in SC2. | ||
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
Fact: Boxer failed at preventing creep spread. Am I not entitled to make this remark because of my lacking credentials? Are we counting games now? Or is this a poor attempt at trolling? | ||
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Rikstah
Australia126 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote: How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? Because with starcraft sometimes u just don't understand whats going on. I saw some idiot on youtube commenting on this video and implied they were both noobs for not going air units. THAT is a prime example of why low- mid level players can't critique. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:26 BentoBox wrote: I know he was good at BW. I do not believe he is spectacular at SC2 but that's besides the point. Fact: Boxer failed at preventing creep spread. Am I not entitled to make this remark because of my lacking credentials? He obvious made the strategic decision to invest his energy into mules, rather than scans. Are you going to get into a debate on validity of his strategic decision? If he had used the energy on scans to kill the creep he would have been low on minerals and thus units/buildings, then you'll come along and say something like "Fact: Boxer failed to build units." Lolz... | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:19 BentoBox wrote: How is the comparison even similar? How do you think professional critiques and commentators make a living? What does Day9 do in each of his dailys? How does not being a top player prevent you from pointing at obvious flaws in someone's play? The comparison is similar, these pro players do lots of things for reasons unknown to you, some building placements or unit compositions may look bad to you but there's probably more thought behind it then you could even imagine. Although you are free to comment whatever you think about either player, you can't expect people to take your newbie opinion seriously. Also, Day 9 has way more experience in competetive RTS than you give him credit for. He's definately a top player in the sense of being able to objectively critique ones play, he was the top US Zerg in BW. | ||
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:29 Rikstah wrote: Because with starcraft sometimes u just don't understand whats going on. I saw some idiot on youtube commenting on this video and implied they were both noobs for not going air units. THAT is a prime example of why low- mid level players can't critique. The validity of a mid level player's comment doesn't simply lose all validity because of an anecdote you recall concerning a misguided youtube comment. On October 02 2010 17:29 fearus wrote: He obvious made the strategic decision to invest his energy into mules, rather than scans. Are you going to get into a debate on validity of his strategic decision? If he had used the energy on scans to kill the creep he would have been low on minerals and thus units/buildings, then you'll come along and say something like "Fact: Boxer failed to build units." Lolz... Why is it obviously a strategic decision and not a case of a good player simply overlooking a fundamental aspect of the game (which still happens very often in high level games)? Can you explain this to me? Obviously, your experience has granted you an all-comprehending eye able to read minds. Teach me your ways. On October 02 2010 17:30 Saechiis wrote: The comparison is similar, these pro players do lots of things for reasons unknown to you, some building placements or unit compositions may look bad to you but there's probably more thought behind it then you could even imagine. Although you are free to comment whatever you think about either player, you can't expect people to take your newbie opinion seriously. Also, Day 9 has way more experience in competetive RTS than you give him credit for. He's definately a top player in the sense of being able to objectively critique once play, he was the top US Zerg in BW. My comment about Day9 was a direct reply to someone arguing that not being a top200 player invalidated any argument you might have regarding play at said level. I know about his past accomplishments. | ||
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Exil
Poland88 Posts
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BumsenDK
Denmark137 Posts
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loadme
171 Posts
On October 01 2010 07:58 aPsychonaut wrote: MIND = BLOWN i hope i can speak free here. after watching around 500 VOD, tons of replays and played hundrets of games.. for me this is medium fun to watch. 1 quality was really bad - yes his laptop, but why not frapsing it later, instead of uploading settlers1/simcity graphics 2 commentaries were 90% like "omg omg boxer omg. >i< am giving you boxer. he is soo cool, so amazing. thats boxer style..". i really dont care who wins the game. but being a well known commentator, you always should at least try to comment 50:50 on both sides 3 game speed through the bad laptop felt like super slow. and besides that it took what felt like 20 minutes of my time, until they both started fighting. 4 just another idra game. well played, but that much non-innovative-save-play, i dont know, if you feel the same about this. ofc its nice to see 20 ultralisks, but imo its much easier than surprising your enemy. hard-tech and harass would be much more fun. but instead its another 15min no rush zerggame. 5 the only worth part for me was the tank->plateau -> marine pull strategy. everything else was 200% predictable and in a very bad-slowmotion. | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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WAAA
New Zealand291 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote: Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. No, your are a stupid asshole ! | ||
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royal.cze
Canada287 Posts
ps Bento you're a nerd kid. | ||
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xafies
Greece78 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:25 fearus wrote: Day9 isn't a 50 game, plat league noob. Just listen to Artosis's up most respect for Boxer's play, if anyone has any credentials to critique Boxer's play it'll be Artosis, but all had was respect and admiration. Implying Day9 didn't make an announcement a couple daily's ago that he finally got into diamond (IE: He was in platinum) | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
He is a Manofoneway... his way. You are lucky to just get a peek every now and then. | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
He is obviously good and good enough to compete in the GSL.... whether this game was his best or not we can't know right now because it's literally the only game we've seen of is. and whether boxer wins or not he's always fun to watch. peopl need to cut the complaining Boxer is a legend and that is undeniable and he is ranked above most of the players that competed in the GSL on the korean ladder. If he chooses too he definately has the potential to qualify and go very far in the GSL. also forgot to mention MoneofOneway's win rate is 62.19%....THATS HUGE! only 7 top diamond korean players have higher win rate percentages... | ||
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Or-a
Canada66 Posts
On October 02 2010 21:16 Raiznhell wrote: K, i don't get why there's so much whining out there about boxer's play but Boxer as ManofOneway is last time i checked is 57th on the korean 1v1 rankings just below HopeTorture who was a finalist for GSL. he also ranked above such names as oGsEnsnare, HongunPrime,NEX Genius, LiveForever and even Tester (oGssSKS) who are just among dozens of Primes, WERRA's and oGs players. He is obviously good and good enough to compete in the GSL.... whether this game was his best or not we can't know right now because it's literally the only game we've seen of is. and whether boxer wins or not he's always fun to watch. peopl need to cut the complaining Boxer is a legend and that is undeniable and he is ranked above most of the players that competed in the GSL on the korean ladder. If he chooses too he definately has the potential to qualify and go very far in the GSL. On top of this Idra gave Artosis the rep; Idra wouldn't give one of himself losing. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
Even Flash loses games, and Boxer is still exploring SC2 I am sure. Nada ez-moded TLO in some of his first games ever, despite losing one, Boxer probably would do the same to most SC2 "pros." Doesn't mean they aren't leagues better than their opponents, just that they are humans. Whoops. | ||
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Yeld
Austria106 Posts
Also, his dropship play was quite impressive - much more so than what most 1a Terrans do. | ||
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ionize
Ireland399 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On October 02 2010 21:44 Yeld wrote: The Boxer bashing is ridiculous. Of course he made mistakes, but if you go ahead and watch one of your own reps and check how "perfect" you do in each situation, you'll see that you will likely mess up a whole lot more. Also, his dropship play was quite impressive - much more so than what most 1a Terrans do. He's one of the top players in korea, according to ladder statistics. Considering he only played the game for such a short period of time I think any whiner should shut up and think twice. He could go far in the next GSL and this was just a ladder game. Who of you retards can safely say that all your ladder games are your a-game performance? | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
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Shady
Austria115 Posts
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On October 02 2010 20:48 Fruscainte wrote: Implying Day9 didn't make an announcement a couple daily's ago that he finally got into diamond (IE: He was in platinum) I find that hard to believe considering how good he was at Broodwar. Also he said multiple times that he ladders on a secret account. | ||
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whohastheredpill
42 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:25 splints wrote: Damn it, I wanted criticize Justin Bieber but I haven't sang as much as him :'( Oh noes! My new $500 gadget is defective. Since I can't make stuff like that, I should just stand back and appreciate that it happened. idra/boxer made some mistakes. Too bad I can't say sh*t since I am not even close to them in SC2. this. User was warned for this post | ||
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drlame
Sweden574 Posts
The fact is though, that you CAN say sh*t about them because we all know that they have experience and that they should play good otherwise this thread wouldn't be here. I've already posted in this thread, but I'm going to say it again, IdrA played really solid, and boxer was nothing spectacular. EDIT: after reading it through, it feels like sarcasm? too bad my internetsarcasmdetector isn't working today. | ||
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nocaps
Hungary3 Posts
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ladder/3579#current-rank he is ranked 3rd in his division, but who is the second? this is weird. | ||
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wikked
Germany12 Posts
hope he learned something. | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
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JayDee_
548 Posts
No I don't even like idra. I don't care how good you are, BMing is immature. If you watched the video critically, it was obviously not a serious game after idra had 4 base to 2 base with creep everywhere. | ||
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qtpie
Canada16 Posts
On October 02 2010 17:11 Fa1nT wrote: Are you going to critique a chess grandmaster when you have only played 50 games of chess? If you do, your are a stupid asshole. unfair comparison, I don't need to be a profession movie critique to know that a movie sucks, or a food critique to know bad food tastes bad. as far as viewership is concerned, chess is a lot less intuitive than starcraft. | ||
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
On October 03 2010 01:04 nocaps wrote: ManOfoneway's battlenet profile: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ladder/3579#current-rank he is ranked 3rd in his division, but who is the second? this is weird. Well Boxer of course is rank 2 in his division! Clearly it's... wait wuh? | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
The whole point of this VoD is boxer vs idra. it coulda been a 6 pool vs 6 rax for all I (or anyone) should care. Stop critiquing. Not to mention this was a ladder game, so this could have been a new strat hes practicing. Or eating food, or maybe getting a blowjob from his GF. How you can imply the stuff you guys are implying from 1 ladder game is beyond stupidity. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:26 mprs wrote: lol 80% of the people here missed the point. The whole point of this VoD is boxer vs idra. it coulda been a 6 pool vs 6 rax for all I (or anyone) should care. Stop critiquing. Not to mention this was a ladder game, so this could have been a new strat hes practicing. Or eating food, or maybe getting a blowjob from his GF. How you can imply the stuff you guys are implying from 1 ladder game is beyond stupidity. +1 User was warned for this post | ||
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:09 VonLego wrote: Well Boxer of course is rank 2 in his division! Clearly it's... wait wuh? ROFL. I bet the Boxer got a good laugh out of it. The world works in pretty funny ways. | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
Everyone needs to watch this, especially new SC2 people who aren't aware of the legend | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:26 mprs wrote: lol 80% of the people here missed the point. The whole point of this VoD is boxer vs idra. it coulda been a 6 pool vs 6 rax for all I (or anyone) should care. Stop critiquing. Not to mention this was a ladder game, so this could have been a new strat hes practicing. Or eating food, or maybe getting a blowjob from his GF. How you can imply the stuff you guys are implying from 1 ladder game is beyond stupidity. Totally agree, even if he has a bunch of ladder games under his belt it means in no way that he is serious like he was in SCBW (yet). I guess I can see why people have the whole bad attitude towards what they saw because they expect Boxer to play as strong as in BW which no doubt he probably can and will but this is one game and the OP wasn't about "hey look at Boxer's play" it was "Look, Boxer IS actually playing!" Ty Artosis. Always good to get updates from the man on the inside. I hope you keep us informed | ||
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Luxman
12 Posts
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. | ||
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Celesti
69 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:53 Raiznhell wrote: just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. The mods on TL are dicks. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:53 Raiznhell wrote: just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. Most likely because it is seen as a spam post, with no effort or content to it. If he agreed, he could elaborate a bit for the sake of discussion. It is not, as the poster above would indicate, because the TL mods are dicks... | ||
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Celesti
69 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:58 Thegilaboy wrote: Most likely because it is seen as a spam post, with no effort or content to it. If he agreed, he could elaborate a bit for the sake of discussion. It is not, as the poster above would indicate, because the TL mods are dicks... What do you gain by sucking up on an internet forum? | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:59 Celesti wrote: What do you gain by sucking up on an internet forum? I do it for the ladies mostly | ||
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babolatt
Canada312 Posts
On October 03 2010 03:59 qtpie wrote: unfair comparison, I don't need to be a profession movie critique to know that a movie sucks, or a food critique to know bad food tastes bad. . It's far worse than that. It's like saying you can't critique a movie because you aren't good at MAKING movies. You don't need to be an expert player to make reasonable observations about expert players. You need to have knowledge of the game, and have watched a lot of games. There are lots of people out there who watch a ton of starcraft and still aren't expert players, but have just as much, or more knowledge of the game than some players. The game was pretty good. It was a bit annoying to watch because Artosis commented more on how much he loved boxer than what was going on in the game. We also all know that if this had been another player, nobody would be saying "this is the best game ever omg". | ||
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LionKingMax
Canada10 Posts
On October 01 2010 07:54 Artosis wrote:Rumor has it he wants to switch to SC2. orgasm. Boxer was the first BW pro I've discovered when I got interested into competitive play some years ago. I would really enjoy seeing him coming back. | ||
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davis.of.km
United States23 Posts
On October 01 2010 09:18 Phos wrote: whats with the retarded names from the koreans? manofoneway? team scv life? is there a deeper meaning to this i dont get? I personally thought manofoneway was a fucking awesome name to be quite honest. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/390545 Ranked #8 on the Korean ladder as of September 28? Huh. | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:53 Raiznhell wrote: just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. TL expects posters to put a little bit of effort into their posts. Nobody wants to constantly scroll through a bunch of "+1" and "lol" posts to find stuff worth reading. If you're conscious AT ALL about not making bad posts, you probably have nothing to worry about. | ||
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Raevin
246 Posts
just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. Why is it so difficult to understand? What does "+1" add to anything? What does it even imply? That he supports his point of view? Why not write that instead of a number or even expand on it? Or if he has nothing to add just nod IRL and dont post anything? Imagine if every member on these forums did that +1 everytime they agreed to a post? Imagine how it would actually look, you would have to scroll through all that garbage just to find someone who posted something of any merit. | ||
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:09 dukethegold wrote: ROFL. I bet the Boxer got a good laugh out of it. The world works in pretty funny ways. Man, I bet it'd be awkward/hilarious if they ever met in a ladder match (they probably even have). | ||
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devilshootsdevil
Canada122 Posts
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bro_fenix
United States132 Posts
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sudo.era
United States300 Posts
As for the video, typical play from both. Super defensive-macro style from idra and super harass-micro style from Boxer. Not that it disappointed. Still a fantastic game. | ||
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NET
United States703 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 03 2010 11:27 sudo.era wrote: Maybe the ladder boxer is July. I know he's used that ID before on ICCup. As for the video, typical play from both. Super defensive-macro style from idra and super harass-micro style from Boxer. Not that it disappointed. Still a fantastic game. So he would use two accounts at the same time? Zerg and Terran? I dunno, maybe as a smurf. July is still using FantaPrime account, but there might always be a chance he is practicing terran. | ||
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Raikynn
41 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:56 Celesti wrote: The mods on TL are dicks. User was temp banned for this post. +1 User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
I am dissapoint, game should have been over when idras 100 ultras poped the first time | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
something is wrong here ..+ Show Spoiler + hes not top 1 .. none of the 3 whos nestea?? | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Cant determine if this was a clever joke or just someone being ignorant Thanks artosis! If you got any more it would be MUCH appreciated | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On October 03 2010 23:19 aimaimaim wrote: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ladder/3579#current-rank something is wrong here ..+ Show Spoiler + hes not top 1 .. none of the 3 whos nestea?? nestea is zergbong | ||
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Nagram
Germany36 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On October 03 2010 23:19 aimaimaim wrote: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/1531836/1/ManofOneway/ladder/3579#current-rank something is wrong here ..+ Show Spoiler + hes not top 1 .. none of the 3 whos nestea?? Manofoneway...below Boxer and above Slayers. What is this, I don't even... | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
LOL why is "BoxeR" above BoxeR? Strange... I don't think that's him, right? Maybe Blizzard should have saved certain names as to stop this, at least for BoxeR/Flash/Yellow/Jaedong/Nada/iloveOov/Julyzerg/ etc... on a side note... + Show Spoiler + lol at the ridiculous chain i accidentally started. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:53 Raiznhell wrote: just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. make a more insightful post showing why you agree, not just "+1" "+1" just takes up space and does not provide any further insight to a reader or at least that's why I think "+1" is dumb | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
On October 03 2010 07:53 Raiznhell wrote: just curious why was this user warned for their post? is it wrong to just state +1 in agreement or? not being a dick im just genuinely curious so i dont make bad posts in the future. becuase 1 letter responses are not constructive at all | ||
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l90 Proof
64 Posts
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Camakazie
United Kingdom8 Posts
Awesome match, although that much creep terrifies me. | ||
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PangO
Chile1870 Posts
Just finished watching it, emperor incoming ! | ||
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
NOBODY can keep up with IdrA's macro. Boxer always relied on superior micro to win him games that might have been considered winnable and this was classic for him. It didn't work out for him this time but IdrA was running out of money at one point and it was close. | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 05 2010 04:46 guitarizt wrote: Wow this game was sick it would be cool to see a bo7. Best creep spread I've seen yet and best late game harass with terran I've seen yet. You must not watch a lot of games. The creep spread was actually nice, ill give you that. But I am not sure about the harass. It's good to see how boxer is coming a long and I hope he gets a lot better, but his play was not anything special compared to current top SC2 players in the GSL. | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On October 05 2010 04:46 guitarizt wrote: Wow this game was sick it would be cool to see a bo7. Best creep spread I've seen yet and best late game harass with terran I've seen yet. Like a lot of people posting here, you don't seem to realize that when a player has creep everywhere, that player is toying with the other player. This was not a competitive game. idra outclassed boxer early on and just fooled around until boxer gave up. If you can't see that then you should watch and play more sc2 . | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
This was not a competitive game. idra outclassed boxer early on and just fooled around until boxer gave up. If you can't see that then you should watch and play more sc2 This! Boxer played decent, u kinda see his brilliance in his drop play, but overall he didnt do too well there. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
On October 05 2010 05:19 JayDee_ wrote: when a player has creep everywhere, that player is toying with the other player. This was not a competitive game. Could you possibly be more wrong? I mean even if you tried your hardest, is it even possible? | ||
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Markionium
Netherlands33 Posts
I'm sure that when boxer starts playing more and more sc2 we'll see a lot of cool games. That tank drop on the cliff was pretty nice. Def excited to see if he will play in the upcoming GSLs | ||
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On October 05 2010 07:37 Adeny wrote: Could you possibly be more wrong? I mean even if you tried your hardest, is it even possible? um, what? | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 05 2010 08:06 Markionium wrote: It's not really too weird that idrA would beat boxer at this stage, but it was entertaining to watch for sure I'm sure that when boxer starts playing more and more sc2 we'll see a lot of cool games. That tank drop on the cliff was pretty nice. Def excited to see if he will play in the upcoming GSLsHe's played almost a thousand. | ||
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DragonDefonce
United States790 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2844 Posts
But, really....like 14 ultras and Boxer wasn't even getting marauders ^^ One sided but still an amazing game to watch. For aspiring Terrans especially. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On October 05 2010 08:45 DragonDefonce wrote: Is it just me or is this game incredibly boring? Other than the name values, I don't find this game very entertaining at all. Its just a lot of passive macro with some fancy medivac action. A lot of the GSL matches were boring as well. The video was just to show 2 pros, they didn't have to bust out nukes or nydus to make it fun to watch | ||
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DeathNTaxes
United States79 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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metalsonic
Netherlands95 Posts
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
He means that spreading creep like that isn't Idra toying with boxer, its Idra playing well and spreading creep. Spreading creep everywhere is an integral part of using a Z ground army. Remember when TLO used to play Z? He had creep at his enemies' expos, and noone claimed he was toying with his opponents. | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
really would love to see more of boxer in sc2 | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 05 2010 21:51 lynx.oblige wrote: I like how so many people are critiquing Boxer's play like they're even close to qualified to. It's just a ladder match, not a tournament match. I'm sure Boxer was trying but at the same time it wasn't the most serious match ever. He couldn't have known it was going to even be uploaded anywhere if this was an actual ladder match anyway. You have to be qualified to say you didn't think X played well? Huh? I don't think anyone's so blinded by nostalgia that they think Boxer played an amazing game that'll be down in the history of SC2. If it was anyone but Boxer that game would've been very uninteresting. On the other hand, it is Boxer and he's not been playing SC2 for too long, which was evident in the game. Goddamn crazy person will be a force to be reckoned with soon enough. Game shows potential more than anything else. | ||
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zoOv
Australia269 Posts
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Phisk
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JunkkaGom
Korea (South)855 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On October 06 2010 19:27 JunkkaGom wrote: I'm sorry to ruin your excitement, but BoxeR is not the famous boxer from SC1. Although he does play SC2, he is using different nickname.BoxeR is however a well know ladder player. He is no.1 in current Korean Battle.net and is participating in GSL season 2. We know, TL just calls people by the names they're better known as. :p The game in the vod is by Manofoneway, which is (afaik) BoxeR's account. | ||
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JunkkaGom
Korea (South)855 Posts
On October 06 2010 19:34 Dfgj wrote: We know, TL just calls people by the names they're better known as. :p The game in the vod is by Manofoneway, which is (afaik) BoxeR's account. oh ok. I only read the title have not actually seen the VOD. sorry | ||
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SunCow
Sweden7 Posts
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On October 06 2010 19:35 JunkkaGom wrote: oh ok. I only read the title have not actually seen the VOD. sorry Yes, BoxeR is not BoxeR at all, but he is also a very good player, number one on the b.net charts. The real BoxeR is Manofoneway, who is number 9 on the b.net charts. Which I think is fun little fact ^_^ BoxeR number 9, fake BoxeR number 1 haha. | ||
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CptHandsome
Denmark95 Posts
Fantastic game - thx! | ||
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futoM4ki
Germany73 Posts
On October 06 2010 19:27 JunkkaGom wrote: I'm sorry to ruin your excitement, but BoxeR is not the famous boxer from SC1. Although he does play SC2, he is using different nickname.BoxeR is however a well know ladder player. He is no.1 in current Korean Battle.net and is participating in GSL season 2. Maybe this is why this is "Manofoneway" playing VS IdrA an not "BoxeR"? >_> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157713 | ||
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sammler
United Kingdom381 Posts
On October 08 2010 19:40 futoM4ki wrote: Maybe this is why this is "Manofoneway" playing VS IdrA an not "BoxeR"? >_> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157713 Junkka was just trying to be helpful. I am still curious as to whether Manofoneway will participate in GSL2 - the only evidence so far I believe is the email thing. At this point it seems more likely that only the fake BoxeR will participate. | ||
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
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DaemonX
545 Posts
He had just killed idra's last mining base, reducing him to long-distance. If he could squeeze out two banshees and take out the queens and any tech structure that threatens air, if idra happened to be out of money then he could kill EVERYTHING while his buildings floated away. 1/100 chance, but that is how Boxer plays. Some of his pimpest plays were him trying to come back from an impossibly lost game. Remember the game where his opponent tech switched to carriers, and brought 16 carriers and *8* observers. Boxer lost everything on the map but 1 barracks, a CC and starport he flew to a ledge and an academy he built somewhere hidden, proceeded to build several wraiths and medics. He then swept and cast Blind on every single observer in exactly 0.96 seconds. He then mopped up half the carriers with the wraiths before they managed to retreat to the SOLE cannon he had on the map. | ||
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Celadan
Norway471 Posts
So even if he lost one ladder game against IdrA he still might be THE progamer in sc2 also. Oh well, only time will show. | ||
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luckySe7en
148 Posts
On October 10 2010 01:38 DaemonX wrote: Ok, watch the vod - the reason Boxer didn't gg is he saw an outside way to win the game. He had just killed idra's last mining base, reducing him to long-distance. If he could squeeze out two banshees and take out the queens and any tech structure that threatens air, if idra happened to be out of money then he could kill EVERYTHING while his buildings floated away. 1/100 chance, but that is how Boxer plays. Some of his pimpest plays were him trying to come back from an impossibly lost game. Remember the game where his opponent tech switched to carriers, and brought 16 carriers and *8* observers. Boxer lost everything on the map but 1 barracks, a CC and starport he flew to a ledge and an academy he built somewhere hidden, proceeded to build several wraiths and medics. He then swept and cast Blind on every single observer in exactly 0.96 seconds. He then mopped up half the carriers with the wraiths before they managed to retreat to the SOLE cannon he had on the map. yes, how can we forget | ||
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Aro_X
United States106 Posts
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