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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race. But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players. In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On September 30 2010 05:51 Creep wrote: I hope he goes all the way! ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/oFnCF.jpg) Can someone translate what is written on this sign please? | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:15 awesomoecalypse wrote: But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players. In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is. Just because Cool might be able to beat ITR or Ensnare doesn't mean the race is balanced at the highest levels. It means Cool just had to work that much harder than his Terran counterparts for the win and they likely make some bad mistakes during the game. The game should most definitely be balanced for all levels of play as well. The point of a game is so that anyone can play it and everyone can relate to it when they watch. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:15 awesomoecalypse wrote: But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players. In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is. DiMaga and IdrA can't win anything even when they are far more skilled then their opposition so it's obviously not balanced around them. You want to balance around a level of skill no-one has reached yet? That's just stupid. Balance for now and balance again later if things change. And why should mid/high diamond not be balanced? It was in BroodWar. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:02 awesomoecalypse wrote: You know, i don't really get this. If a Zerg wins the GSL, and a Zerg won King of the Beta, then that means the 2 most presitigous tournaments in starcraft 2 so far will have been won by Zerg. To me, thats a powerful argument that when you start talking about the absolute most skilled players in the world, Zerg isn't underpowered. It might be harder to play, in that getting to be good at lower levels of play is much easier with Protoss and Terran. But Toss were easier than the other races in BW at lower levels of play. Did that make them "OP"? No, because once you started talking about the very best in the world, those differences disappeared, and the top Terran and Zerg were fully capabe of beating top Protoss players. Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran? King of the Beta is not the 2nd most prestigious tournament in SC2 by miles. I loved the tournament, it was a lot of fun, but it was a tiny closed invitiational. IEM and MLG were both bigger, and more importantly, more recent. Cool himself has said he has tremendous trouble beating terran and protoss players, he obviously didn't feel so confident against Inca to play straight up in all the games, more power to him to find a way to win. Did you seriously see the way he played in the games in GSL? It was unbelievable, he was literally doing everything at a ridiculous level and his opponent didn't impress at all. Did you see the series against oGsTOP? That series was also ridiculous, TOP definitely should have won that series if he played better and since then the Ultralisk has been nerfed against all units including ones that are not a planetary fortress. That means he actually might have lost that battle even getting a ridiculous surround that he should never have been allowed to get on all those Thors. I don't think the situation is so dire right now, I think there are definitely things that need to be fixed, but for fuck's sake stop being an ignorant comic-troll and at least read one other forum thread before you make yourself look like an asshole again. | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:08 Kipsate wrote: If Cool wins this he is my Savior minus the whole fixing matches stuff rofl | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
ps.: imagine if zerg were balanced then Cool would own everyone just by gazing at them!! ^^ | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
I just destroyed a top 4 terran in 3 sets. Oh I also got 27k and I'm playinf for 85k this sunday... mind bringing some fruit? :D | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 30 2010 08:12 TheRabidDeer wrote: Man, the level of play by Cool in this series was insane. He pretty much perfectly countered everything that was thrown at him. It was like he was a step ahead of the T the entire time and despite him making things as a reaction to the T it was still like he was dictating to the T what to build. Well, technically he was forcing the T to go certain compositions. In fact, T decided to vary it up a little (Thor, Tank, Viking, Marine, Medivac?), which may have weakened his total forces a bit by going too spread out. It wasn't so much the standard reactionary play for Zerg as it was just messing with the mindset of LiveForever =p | ||
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tmzu
58 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 30 2010 08:13 Sabu113 wrote: Hey mom. I just destroyed a top 4 terran in 3 sets. Oh I also got 27k and I'm playinf for 85k this sunday... mind bringing some fruit? :D epic | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:13 Klive5ive wrote: Just because it's possible to win as one race, doesn't mean the game is balanced. Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race. One race can be harder though but still be balanced... at lower levels in BW i think everyone would agree Protoss is easiest against people of the same skill level, for sure. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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Buhlbaid
Spain32 Posts
Two super genius moments in g1 : Healing Muta with queens in the middle of the map thanks to his creep spreading, that allowed him to kill Terran's army. His small infestor army kept close to the Terran base to delay with fungal as much as possible the push; even dropping eggs to "tank" siege tank damage and let the infestor fungal safely. gOGOGOGOGOGO! | ||
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Dazer
239 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac217/drixta/Fruit.jpg) | ||
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.Soul
Canada81 Posts
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:02 awesomoecalypse wrote: You know, i don't really get this. If a Zerg wins the GSL, and a Zerg won King of the Beta, then that means the 2 most presitigous tournaments in starcraft 2 so far will have been won by Zerg. To me, thats a powerful argument that when you start talking about the absolute most skilled players in the world, Zerg isn't underpowered. It might be harder to play, in that getting to be good at lower levels of play is much easier with Protoss and Terran. But Toss were easier than the other races in BW at lower levels of play. Did that make them "OP"? No, because once you started talking about the very best in the world, those differences disappeared, and the top Terran and Zerg were fully capabe of beating top Protoss players. Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran? This is entirely based on the assumption that current Terran or Protoss strategies is fully developed. I'd say Terran still has a lot left to be discovered since it has been much easier for them so far. Protoss also to a lesser extent. Zerg has had to work their asses off to be able to compete and win. | ||
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