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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 20:38:28
September 29 2010 20:37 GMT
#141
Fruitdealer is so badass, he even makes progamers ragequit. Also - it seems he had a very clever plan against every opponent he faced. It seemed to me he had a strategy on how to win the GSL pretty much from the Ro64 onward. Such different builds, such great ideas... fungal, man - YOU CAN'T FUCKING TOUCH THIS!
Creep
Profile Joined September 2010
United States229 Posts
September 29 2010 20:51 GMT
#142
I hope he goes all the way!

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Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
September 29 2010 20:53 GMT
#143
Artosis gets so fired up watching a Zerg master it's contagious.

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TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 29 2010 21:26 GMT
#144
Yay Cool! :D
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Zakka
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands762 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 21:36:36
September 29 2010 21:33 GMT
#145
Just made this for my appreciation.

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Cool such a baller
Amsterdam
zonic
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand64 Posts
September 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#146
i thought cool is with TSL? is he flying solo?
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
September 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#147
Jesus... Cool is so fucking good. I still can't believe how he pulled back from G1 after losing the hatch and his queen transfusions, infestor delaying, flanking of thors, drop defense, even nydus usage everything just flawless execution + macro.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 29 2010 21:44 GMT
#148
On September 30 2010 06:42 zonic wrote:
i thought cool is with TSL? is he flying solo?


Yes, he is on TSL with sSKS, Clide, and one more member.
Yargh
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
September 29 2010 21:48 GMT
#149
Cool has to be my favorite player, but I think Check is still my favorite zerg if I had to separate it. Such a good personality and really creative play from Cool, can't help but like him.
Hi
Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
September 29 2010 21:50 GMT
#150
On September 30 2010 05:51 Creep wrote:
I hope he goes all the way!

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omfg, greatest pic ever!

As someone who has been a zerg user since 1998, I am extremely proud of Cool. Starting in the RO16, I figured his time was short, but I cheered for him anyways.

COOL FIGHTING!!
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States692 Posts
September 29 2010 21:57 GMT
#151
I know it doesn't prove zerg isn't underpowered if cool wins the gsl but i really hope he does just so idra and other zergs who want to switch races look like asses.
TECHNINE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States25 Posts
September 29 2010 22:00 GMT
#152
all i saw so far was game 1 and fruit completely outplayed him, just wow
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 22:03:48
September 29 2010 22:02 GMT
#153
I know it doesn't prove zerg isn't underpowered if cool wins the gsl but i really hope he does just so idra and other zergs who want to switch races look like asses.


You know, i don't really get this. If a Zerg wins the GSL, and a Zerg won King of the Beta, then that means the 2 most presitigous tournaments in starcraft 2 so far will have been won by Zerg.

To me, thats a powerful argument that when you start talking about the absolute most skilled players in the world, Zerg isn't underpowered.

It might be harder to play, in that getting to be good at lower levels of play is much easier with Protoss and Terran.

But Toss were easier than the other races in BW at lower levels of play. Did that make them "OP"? No, because once you started talking about the very best in the world, those differences disappeared, and the top Terran and Zerg were fully capabe of beating top Protoss players.

Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran?
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
September 29 2010 22:03 GMT
#154
On September 30 2010 05:51 Creep wrote:
I hope he goes all the way!

[image loading]


Best SC2 fan art I've seen yet ^^

과일장수 화이팅!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 29 2010 22:08 GMT
#155
If Cool wins this he is my Savior
minus the whole fixing matches stuff

WriterXiao8~~
ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
September 29 2010 22:10 GMT
#156
COOL FIGHTING!
Jukebox Joe
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom358 Posts
September 29 2010 22:10 GMT
#157
What an absolute legend.

FRUITDEALER FIGHTING!
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
September 29 2010 22:10 GMT
#158
On September 30 2010 03:49 awesomoecalypse wrote:
You know how Blizzard reps are always saying that "The Zerg race needs to Flank"?

Cool is I think the player who has taken that advice most to heart. His macro is decent, but not mindblowing. His unit micro is very good...but I think I've seen better (e.g. Dimaga).

But Cool is better at positioning than any other Zerg I've ever seen. It seems like in every major battle, he manages to get perfect flanking/surrounds...and the difference it makes is monumental.

Its notable that he's been more successful with better flanking/surrounds than IdrA has been with his masterful macro. It suggests on some level to me that Zerg isn't as much of a macro-oriented race as everyone has assumed...but rather, its a positioning oriented race. There have been a lot of Cool's matches where a pivotal battle went down, and had it not been for his perfect flanking he'd have lost, and had he lost no amount of macro brilliance would have saved him from being steamrolled by his Terran opponent. But he got the surround, which helpd him win or draw in those pivotal battles, which ultimately allowed him to get the win. I know everyone likes to focus on flashy stuff like the surprise 6-pool, the Baneling carpet bombing, the Fungal Growthed medivacs, etc. But I think those things are secondary to Cool's extraordinary ability to arrange the battlefield in exactly the right way for him to get a flank/surround at the exact moment he needs it.

I really hope he wins, because I feel like Cool is helping to demonstrate how potent Zerg can actually be. Yes, they are the most difficult race, just as T and Z were more difficult than P in BW. And they may even be slightly UP. But when played at the highest level, they have the potential to be devastatingly effective, and I think the surface is just being scratched. And while everyone obsesses over build orders, the number of expansions you have, etc. Cool is showing that you don't need some genius build order no one's ever conceived of, you don't need to be a macro god with a 5 base advantage. You can actually just play in such a way that you outposition your opponent, win battles straight up, and that can ultimately be the key to victory.

Rock on Cool, you're an inspiration.


If you think cool has okay macro then you definitely forgot or havent seen the match vs OGsTOP on kulas ravine.... after being harassed and was very behind. he picked up many bases and came back
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
September 29 2010 22:11 GMT
#159
Yay Cool!! Represent! Bring home Kerrigan a shiny GSL trophy and make all us Zergs fawn at your gosu skills!

Cool fighting!
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
September 29 2010 22:13 GMT
#160
On September 30 2010 07:02 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran?

No, no it doesn't.

The KotB tourny had 3 great players and a bunch of fluff. Yes IdrA beat Tester in the final (just) but he also lost to Tester 3-0 in the group stage (and completely dodged ITR). You can't take anything from that.
And in GSL we had far less Zergs players in every round (until Cool reached Ro4).
Then in foreigner tournaments Zerg players stand absolutely no chance at all.

Now of course this doesn't prove that Zerg can't win but it certainly paints a picture of a race that is far more difficult to win with.
Just because it's possible to win as one race, doesn't mean the game is balanced. Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race.
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