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funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
September 29 2010 17:09 GMT
#101
I hope he wins the final, he really deserves it.
@funcmode - TPW Mapmaking Team - theplanetaryworkshop.com
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9563 Posts
September 29 2010 17:16 GMT
#102
I reaaaaally hope rainbow is gonna cheese and do cutesy things and win tomorrow against Ensnare. I'd be more calm knowing Cool will be playing vs rainbow in the finals, than knowing Ensnare will be his opponent.
Ensnare is just so fucking solid it's petrifying-scary to play against him.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
Headshot
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1656 Posts
September 29 2010 17:37 GMT
#103
Cool, the Zerg white knight!

Cool fighting!
-
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
September 29 2010 17:39 GMT
#104
This guy is adorkable. Zerg fighting.
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
September 29 2010 17:42 GMT
#105
Even as a non-Zerg player, gogo Cool!
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
September 29 2010 17:46 GMT
#106
Pride of Zerg.

3:0 a Terran -- this just makes me feel warm inside.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 29 2010 17:49 GMT
#107
TvZ finals is awesome

Rainbow vs Cool ftw
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
September 29 2010 17:52 GMT
#108
On September 30 2010 01:42 Triscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 01:19 dazer wrote:
He wins cause he doesn't use this broken unit right here
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


That's interesting, because he really doesn't ever use Hydras as far as I remember.

Hmm.


If you look at his games he wins almost everything due to a combination of good macro and great surrounds/positioning. This is facilitated by using the faster zerg units (speedling, speed baneling, muta and ultra) and the infestor to limit the opponent's mobility.

At the end of the day hydras seem more like static defense in the zerg arsenal (handy against VRs, sometimes gateway pushes and banshees) because of how slow they are relative to everything else. Combine this to their being relatively flimsy (unlike thors for example which are slow but tough) and they are a huge liability because they can get caught in the open and annihilated.

Cool's play is absolutely amazing (game 1 was a great comeback) and hydras wouldn't have allowed him to keep alive and punish the Terran so hard for pushing at the wrong time. On top of that Hydras can never counterattack in any way so the Terran is free to macro up and can lose an army without getting hurt back home (because by the time the hydras make it there he has another army).

As has been noticed on a number of threads the hydra was forced into the game because it is so iconic but in its current incarnation does very little for Z. In my opinion they need some form of research-able utility upgrade (in the concussive shell vein). I don't think just buffing hp or attack will help them, the basic problem is that they are slow and don't fit a harassing/reactive play-style but seem like they would go with slow mech armies a lot better.

Anyways, don't want to go off topic here, Cool is great, those wins were beautiful and his use of zerg is the best I have seen.
Purpose2
Profile Joined August 2010
England187 Posts
September 29 2010 18:05 GMT
#109
Cool Fighting!
Twitter @PurposeGaming
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
September 29 2010 18:07 GMT
#110
Cool is so damn cool.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
September 29 2010 18:08 GMT
#111
On September 29 2010 20:59 illumination wrote:
he is such a hero


Indeed.

He is the hope of all Zerg! :3
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 29 2010 18:21 GMT
#112
On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:

In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.



Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 29 2010 18:25 GMT
#113
On September 30 2010 03:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:

In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.



Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool.


He punked you! lol
Yargh
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
September 29 2010 18:30 GMT
#114
I wonder if his performance will make other BW players think more seriously about switching over.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
September 29 2010 18:31 GMT
#115
There's a lot of good terran players out there but none of them are a race defining icon like fruit dealer is. The only person who comes close to his stature for their race is SSKS. It may suck to play Zerg at a high level but holy moley if you can pull it off you become a legend.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 29 2010 18:32 GMT
#116
On September 30 2010 03:25 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 03:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:

In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.



Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool.


He punked you! lol

God if only. How awesome would it be if an entire QQ thread being made by cool, and posted on TL was entirely to troll me. xD
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
September 29 2010 18:37 GMT
#117
They should take dryad poison (lol) from Marauders and give it to Hydras at 25% and not 50%, then TvZ would be balanced.
Edmon
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom259 Posts
September 29 2010 18:46 GMT
#118
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=156885
omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 18:47:41
September 29 2010 18:47 GMT
#119
He is so fun to watch that I am almost considering switching from Toss to Zerg. Maybe play with both races as I do find Zerg fun to macro but just have not put in the time to get good with them.

Fruit Dealer Fighting! Also I hope we get a shot of the crowd in the finals and see everyone with fruit. That would be hilarious.
THIS NEEDS FACE!
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 18:50:29
September 29 2010 18:49 GMT
#120
You know how Blizzard reps are always saying that "The Zerg race needs to Flank"?

Cool is I think the player who has taken that advice most to heart. His macro is decent, but not mindblowing. His unit micro is very good...but I think I've seen better (e.g. Dimaga).

But Cool is better at positioning than any other Zerg I've ever seen. It seems like in every major battle, he manages to get perfect flanking/surrounds...and the difference it makes is monumental.

Its notable that he's been more successful with better flanking/surrounds than IdrA has been with his masterful macro. It suggests on some level to me that Zerg isn't as much of a macro-oriented race as everyone has assumed...but rather, its a positioning oriented race. There have been a lot of Cool's matches where a pivotal battle went down, and had it not been for his perfect flanking he'd have lost, and had he lost no amount of macro brilliance would have saved him from being steamrolled by his Terran opponent. But he got the surround, which helpd him win or draw in those pivotal battles, which ultimately allowed him to get the win. I know everyone likes to focus on flashy stuff like the surprise 6-pool, the Baneling carpet bombing, the Fungal Growthed medivacs, etc. But I think those things are secondary to Cool's extraordinary ability to arrange the battlefield in exactly the right way for him to get a flank/surround at the exact moment he needs it.

I really hope he wins, because I feel like Cool is helping to demonstrate how potent Zerg can actually be. Yes, they are the most difficult race, just as T and Z were more difficult than P in BW. And they may even be slightly UP. But when played at the highest level, they have the potential to be devastatingly effective, and I think the surface is just being scratched. And while everyone obsesses over build orders, the number of expansions you have, etc. Cool is showing that you don't need some genius build order no one's ever conceived of, you don't need to be a macro god with a 5 base advantage. You can actually just play in such a way that you outposition your opponent, win battles straight up, and that can ultimately be the key to victory.

Rock on Cool, you're an inspiration.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
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