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 Cool FIGHTING!
Your thoughts on reaching the finals?
▲ The matches were played so quickly that I still can't grasp the fact that I won. In SC:BW, I never had a chance to play in such a big stage (such as the finals) because I retired. I'm very happy I have the chance to play such a big game, on a big stage.
You won 3:0.
▲ I win 3 out of a 100 matches. And luckily, I won those three matches tonight. [laugh]
The first match started off against your favor. You still came back and won.
▲ The cross positional spawn points were under my favor, for sure. Also, the opponent building three bunkers, delayed his tech. This gave me a chance, even though my natural was taken down. After I stopped the banshee, I had confidence to win.
Competitively, these maps are tough to prepare for, as Zerg.
▲ I only had one day to prepare anyways, and on Scrap Station and Metalopolis I was lucky to have spawned under long rush distances. Even though the other three maps were Terran-favored, I played with this mindset: "Surely I wont lose all three matches..." [laugh]
So then, did you prepare for playing up to the 5th match?
▲ Not exactly. I was aiming to win 3:0.
In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.
"Kim Won-Ki is a different breed of Zerg" is a rumour floating around recently.
▲ If I look through different Zerg replays, they win AND lose the same way I do. So, I can't really tell the difference. I believe I have above average positioning and micro, but I cant figure out the rest.
In the last match, broodlings were the key to your win.
▲ Really? I didn't know. Because it was a base race, I was only looking at his base. I had a feeling he was going for my main when I first saw his buildings. I initially thought of using burrowed banelings to stop his push, but I felt the timing was going to be late to do that so I changed up my strategy to ling/roach/muta.
You're usually nervous... were you in today's match?
▲ You're right, I usually am. However I wasn't nervous at all today. I was content with just being in the final four.
You're going to face a Terran in the finals.
▲ I think l have a better chance if I face Sung-jae hyung (Rainbow). Ensnare practices a lot, but Rainbow is similar to me: he enjoys playing the game, and takes it less seriously. I'm a bit more scared of facing Ensnare.
If you win the finals, the grand prize is in your hands. Does this feel real to you?
▲I don't know. I haven't thought about the money until last night, before falling asleep. I have never imagined of having the chance to win that money in my progaming life. When I get home, I have to call my parents right away. I haven't even told them about GSL yet, because of the fear of letting my parents down. But I must tell them now.
How are you going to use the two days to prepare?
▲ ZvT is easier to prepare for than ZvP. As long as I dont get overly nervous and choke, I have good chances of winning. I must prepare hard mentally.
You live in the same house as sSKS (Tester).
▲At first, we weren't even that close. Luckily, one night I was about to go to sleep, but I ended up having a drink with him [laugh]. I hope Ki-Soo uses more all-in strategies in the future. Ki-Soo agrees with me... I think. I think if he all-in'ed yesterday, he could have won. It sucks. When GSL2 hits, Ki-Soo, sSKS will be the best player.
Your goal for the finals?
▲I couldn't imagine being in this situation when I first started SC2. Everything is going well for me. The past two years, I've faced many hardships and misfortune. I think most of those misfortunes are being washed away. I want to provide and EXCITING series in the finals.
Last remarks?
▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy! <3
edit: missing q&a. oops!
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GL in finals yo! respect!
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lolol.
When he's calling his parents and telling them he can win $85k if he wins his next series then his parents are going to be like: you're no fruitdealer anymore. You'll be hiring fruitdealers for me :D.
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I'm terran.. and i believe Mr. Fruitdealer is my favorite SC2 player.. I have to root for the Zerg even though i fail at playing them
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I'm happy to see him in the finals. Zerg has a few minor issues, but as it stands right now, Cool stands a chance of taking the whole tournament. Best of luck to fruitdealer!
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On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
If you win the finals, the grand prize is in your hands. Does this feel real to you?
▲I don't know. I haven't thought about the money until last night, before falling asleep. I have never imagined of having the chance to win that money in my progaming life. When I get home, I have to call my parents right away. I haven't even told them about GSL yet, because of the fear of letting my parents down. But I must tell them now.
aww, I just wanna give him a hug!
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If Cool manages to win, its easy to assume that he is currently the best SC2 player, let alone Zerg player.
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wow his parents dont know what an awesome fruit he is? i think its really time to tell them!
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lol, wow, his parents don't even know that he's won what, $27 grand? And in line to win $85 grand? Daaamn, his parents are gonna be proud!
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So sick to see him get this far, it's awesome that he's getting to experience this. I came into BW right around the time he retired iirc.
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On September 29 2010 21:03 ryanAnger wrote:
If Cool manages to win, its easy to assume that he is currently the best SC2 player, let alone Zerg player.
I won't have a problem with someone calling him that.
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I hope he plays IntotheRainbow as well.
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After watching how good he played in this turney , i can say without too much though that cool is The best zerg and my second favorite player 
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congratulations Cool.
I think he will be the GSL Season 1 Champion.
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On September 29 2010 21:00 sikatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
If you win the finals, the grand prize is in your hands. Does this feel real to you?
▲I don't know. I haven't thought about the money until last night, before falling asleep. I have never imagined of having the chance to win that money in my progaming life. When I get home, I have to call my parents right away. I haven't even told them about GSL yet, because of the fear of letting my parents down. But I must tell them now.
aww, I just wanna give him a hug!
Me too ^^
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best of luck in the final
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Such a great guy. Hope he wins
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Wow, this guy is so easy to love. It's impossible to NOT respect him, as both a player and a person.
Definitely in my top 3 favorite players.
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How you like THEM APPLES?
Fruitdealer my hero!
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What a Baller.
God, I hope he wins so badly.
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gogogo zerg fighting! So 'em how its done cool
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The coolest Cool. He made this tournament interesting although I rooted for Tester and protoss.
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If you win the finals, the grand prize is in your hands. Does this feel real to you?
▲I don't know. I haven't thought about the money until last night, before falling asleep. I have never imagined of having the chance to win that money in my progaming life. When I get home, I have to call my parents right away. I haven't even told them about GSL yet, because of the fear of letting my parents down. But I must tell them now.
Yeah, 20k already is worth a tell to your parents. 
Im glad he won and im glad he advanced to finals. Such a great guy.
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▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
o\o\ onwards swarm!
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Sounds like a great guy! WIN IT FOR THE SWARM!
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this man right here is a monster
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Awesome! I love that this guy alone is giving hope to all zerg players. Stop whining, and start being awesome instead 
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I believe we have to address the fact here that Cool is entirely too OP. He's broken the game.
I vote we move for a nerf.
We'll do it slowly, like blizzard. First, start with beer goggles and wrist weights. Then if he continues to be too OP we'll have no choice but to remove a few fingers.
Agree/Disagree?
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On September 29 2010 21:43 Dosey wrote:
I believe we have to address the fact here that Cool is entirely too OP. He's broken the game.
I vote we move for a nerf.
We'll do it slowly, like blizzard. First, start with beer goggles and wrist weights. Then if he continues to be too OP we'll have no choice but to remove a few fingers.
Agree/Disagree?
Wrist weights would only strengthen him over time, and all Fruit Dealer needs to dominate is 1.5 thumbs and a banana.
I, for one, submit to our Zerg overlord.
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Mmm, it's so good to see that he's being so humble about the entire thing, especially the whole thing with his parents. I can't wait to see TSL take off in a flurry next GSL as Clide/sSKS/FruitDealer come back stronger than ever. What a team that will be.
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lol i like this guy but also kinda dont like this guy, really happy that a zerg made it into the finals, im sure its shut a lot of people up...
should be a fun finals match
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Nice interview! Very nice!
I like how he never gives up in his games!
Tester playing Protoss - pure Art.
Rainbow playing Terran - godly timing.
Cool playing Zerg - "no problem, i will fuck you 3:0 every time you wanna terran me"
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On September 29 2010 21:55 Hunch wrote:lol i like this guy but also kinda dont like this guy, really happy that a zerg made it into the finals, im sure its shut a lot of people up... should be a fun finals match
I highly doubt an exceptionally good player is deemed as enough proof to quell the imbalance discussions
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On September 29 2010 21:51 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 21:43 Dosey wrote:
I believe we have to address the fact here that Cool is entirely too OP. He's broken the game.
I vote we move for a nerf.
We'll do it slowly, like blizzard. First, start with beer goggles and wrist weights. Then if he continues to be too OP we'll have no choice but to remove a few fingers.
Agree/Disagree? Wrist weights would only strengthen him over time, and all Fruit Dealer needs to dominate is 1.5 thumbs and a banana. I, for one, submit to our Zerg overlord.
Wrist weights would temporarily slow him down until the time came to bust out the cigar cutters.
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Cool, our Zerg hero  Hope you win the whole thing!
Thanks for translating.
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ITR and Ensnare are both going to be crazy matchups for fruit dealer. Ensnare can macro like mad unlike the terran he played tonight, and ITR has a lot of brutal 1-2 base pushes against zerg.
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I dont care who wins the finals, fruitdealer is already the best player in the world for me and my #1 favorite player (my #2 is idra and dimaga ;D)
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Idra must now sacrifice twelve cows to cool before being able play Zerg again, to redeme himself in the eyes of our new Zerg God Overmind
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You are special, Cool. You already know!
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So then, did you prepare for playing up to the 5th match?
▲ Not exactly. I was aiming to win 3:0.
Balls. Of. IRON.
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What a dude. He could sell purses and still be the man.
Seriously though, it's going to be a great final! HopeTorture has intense micro and multitasking abilities, but Cool looks to be up to the task.
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Those were amazing games. Fruit Dealer had awesome timing and great tactics.
One-sided series aren't usually interesting to watch, but this series was really exciting.
Congrats (Cool) Fruit Dealer!
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I don't normally root for players to not only win the series but the money. I genuinely hope Cool wins the 85kish. The guy is insanely modest and hasn't even told his parents :O
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Go all the way Cool! So happy that you won today ^_____^
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man he's so amazing. G1 was sicker than any Zerg play I had ever seen before.
Ensnare and ITR are my two favourite korean Ts but I'll be rooting for cool so hard
I bet his parents will be very happy
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Wow. Zerg is overpowered...
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Nah, Cool is overpowered...
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On September 29 2010 22:24 Nevecy wrote:
I don't normally root for players to not only win the series but the money. I genuinely hope Cool wins the 85kish. The guy is insanely modest and hasn't even told his parents :O
Told them what ?
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On September 29 2010 23:13 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 22:24 Nevecy wrote:
I don't normally root for players to not only win the series but the money. I genuinely hope Cool wins the 85kish. The guy is insanely modest and hasn't even told his parents :O Told them what ?
->
If you win the finals, the grand prize is in your hands. Does this feel real to you?
▲I don't know. I haven't thought about the money until last night, before falling asleep. I have never imagined of having the chance to win that money in my progaming life. When I get home, I have to call my parents right away. I haven't even told them about GSL yet, because of the fear of letting my parents down. But I must tell them now.
:>
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cool's QQ thing on that korean website kind of ruins this for me...hard to root for him, but its good to see a zerg in the finals
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I play Terran, but I'm still rooting for Fruit Dealer. Dude's just plain good.
Great interview too
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On September 29 2010 23:19 metaphoR wrote:
cool's QQ thing on that korean website kind of ruins this for me...hard to root for him, but its good to see a zerg in the finals
100% you will not find a zerg player who hasn't gotten frustrated and raged somewhere. Some many only rage to a friend or on vent, but I bet you all have done it at some point.
Not even considering balance, zerg atm can be really frustrating to play because they demand so much execution (I also bet you every zerg has lost an intense game by being so focused their larva injects slip) and rely so much on scouting, knowing timings, and cutting things as close as possible (early on at least). It's just a recipe for losing games in a really frustrating fashion (oh I scouted a robo bay but then he NEVER EVER MADE ANYTHING FROM IT ARRGGHH).
At some point a player is going to fall on the losing side of a bunch of games due to the above and get really frustrated. It's even worse when there's a balance issue (perceived or real).
Then on top of that he has a LOT of money on the line and being unable to beat a T/P opponent isn't a matter of losing a game, it's a matter of losing out on a very large prize pool.
So I wouldn't hold it against Cool, especially since he barely raged.
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On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:Cool FIGHTING! Your thoughts on reaching the finals? ▲ The matches were played so quickly that I still can't grasp the fact that I won. In SC:BW, I never had a chance to play in such a big stage (such as the finals) because I retired. I'm very happy I have the chance to play such a big game, on a big stage.
And here I was thinking it was just because you were a pretty mediocre BW pro 
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On September 29 2010 23:19 metaphoR wrote:
cool's QQ thing on that korean website kind of ruins this for me...hard to root for him, but its good to see a zerg in the finals
If I only won 10% of my practise games in Cools position, I would rage as well. Sometimes you need to QQ to move on. That is what I think cool did.
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yesss.. zerg users fighting!!
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You have to admire his tenacity, dude played lost 100 practice matches against Terran, and wins the 3 that matter. Gotta love it, I thought it would be some boring TVT finals. I hope to see plenty of fruit at the finals.
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If he wins he has to have a firebat hero ceremony where all the fruit dealers in korea park outside in the parking lot and sell their fruit! hahaha! And he throws apples and bananas at his opponent!
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On September 30 2010 00:04 Laggy wrote:
If he wins he has to have a firebat hero ceremony where all the fruit dealers in korea park outside in the parking lot and sell their fruit! hahaha! And he throws apples and bananas at his opponent!
Lol it would be hilarious if he did the one with sunglasses and all the Pelvic Thrusts.
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Go deal some fruits in the finals yo! :3
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Cool is a fucking champion among champions.
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Best ID.
Best Player.
Underdog Race.
How can you not love the guy?
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Wooo!!! Zerg Fighting! Is there anywhere where these VODs can be found for free? If I'm asking an illegal question, disregard it
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win the finals!
Cool fighting!
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Last remarks?
▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3 cool:D
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I love that he is so humble but also such a sportsman. Eating the apple in the final match was such fan service, I love it! I really hope he takes the series!
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On September 30 2010 00:39 rastaban wrote:
I love that he is so humble but also such a sportsman. Eating the apple in the final match was such fan service, I love it! I really hope he takes the series!
Would be cool (no pun intended) if he brought a different fruit to all his victories as a post victory celebration. Starfruit for finals?
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I can imagine the situation when he tells to his parents:
Hey what's up dad, i've just won 85K in a sc2 tournament. Damn son, haven't i told you many times to stop playing the stupid game and do som.......wait how much did you say?
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I also like how he is so close with sSKS after having drinks with him. Camaraderie ftw!
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On September 30 2010 00:44 Ricjames wrote:
I can imagine the situation when he tells to his parents:
Hey what's up dad, i've just won 85K in a sc2 tournament. Damn son, haven't i told you many times to stop playing the stupid game and do som.......wait how much did you say?
I think he just hasn't tolds his parents of the results of the last game. Would make more sense since he also said he doesn't want to dissapoint them.
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After his ramblings on PlayXP, I can't help but dislike the guy. I hope Rainbow or Ensnare ruins him.
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Even Cool doesn't understand what makes Cool better than other Zergs, lol. It's not like his macro is extraordinary, or that he's using different compositions and build orders or anything. But rather it seems like Cool just has a great game sense.
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On September 30 2010 00:46 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 00:44 Ricjames wrote:
I can imagine the situation when he tells to his parents:
Hey what's up dad, i've just won 85K in a sc2 tournament. Damn son, haven't i told you many times to stop playing the stupid game and do som.......wait how much did you say? I think he just hasn't tolds his parents of the results of the last game. Would make more sense since he also said he doesn't want to dissapoint them.
In the interview he said he hasn't told his parents about the GSL. So I don't think they know at all. With a 27k minimum that he will get now I don't think his parents could possibly be disappointed.
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On September 29 2010 21:04 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 21:03 ryanAnger wrote:
If Cool manages to win, its easy to assume that he is currently the best SC2 player, let alone Zerg player. I won't have a problem with someone calling him that.
Cool admits that Tester is better than him, and to be honest i think Tester is the best sc2 player! but he got really unlucky  .
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In the last match, broodlings were the key to your win.
▲ Really? I didn't know. Because it was a base race, I was only looking at his base.
Lol, lucky! I thought Artosis was right when he said that Cool focusfired the marines with his broodlings.
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I still don't like how he always says he wins against Imba... dude you won be happy about it don't try to look even better because you won vs "imba" he's an awesome player but i start to dislike him since his whinning about quitting zerg...
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On September 30 2010 01:05 Kinky wrote:Show nested quote +In the last match, broodlings were the key to your win.
▲ Really? I didn't know. Because it was a base race, I was only looking at his base. Lol, lucky! I thought Artosis was right when he said that Cool focusfired the marines with his broodlings.
I think it's more likely that the marines were closer (range 5), so they got targeted first. I'll be watching the VODs again and I'll keep an eye out ofr that.
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He comes across so well. I hope he's right about Tester, and it's interesting his comments about the power of 'all-ins'.
Hopefully the metagame changes in favour of more economic play before long.
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On September 30 2010 01:09 checo wrote:
I still don't like how he always says he wins against Imba... dude you won be happy about it don't try to look even better because you won vs "imba" he's an awesome player but i start to dislike him since his whinning about quitting zerg...
I don't see where he said he wins against Imba. He even says ZvT is easier than ZvP.
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Last remarks?
▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On September 29 2010 23:36 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:Cool FIGHTING! Your thoughts on reaching the finals? ▲ The matches were played so quickly that I still can't grasp the fact that I won. In SC:BW, I never had a chance to play in such a big stage (such as the finals) because I retired. I'm very happy I have the chance to play such a big game, on a big stage. And here I was thinking it was just because you were a pretty mediocre BW pro
HAHAHAH YES! great post man, and completely agree =)
mediocre at BW
good at BW
and to the guy complaining about QQing on his PERSONAL BLOG, i guess do you disrespect idra too?
he has been known to QQ and BM due to racial imbalance in both BW and SC2.
hell, half the blogs and posts are about how frustrating the game is for someone due to X and Y.
pffffffffffffffffft
id rather have cool show his real emotions then the reserved answers all BW players give all the time. it's more genuine. i guess you want canned answers instead
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COOL FIGHTING!!!!!!! What a baller. I honestly can't believe I forgot about the semi's last night and I went to sleep. :'(
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On September 29 2010 21:42 wantPopRocks wrote:Awesome! I love that this guy alone is giving hope to all zerg players. Stop whining, and start being awesome instead
Coincidentally, he "whined" not too long ago and was going to switch to terran, but after these last couple wins in the tournament he changed his mind.
Many reasonable fair zergs know there is an issue, and many terran and protoss say that zerg is their easiest matchup, and rarely say they are afraid of zerg users, at the highest level. So when people say they don't like him because he "whined" well guess what, you aren't trying to make a fucking career out of a game that is inbalanced so shuttup.
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I really like Cool and hope he wins it all! That being said, Ensare and IntoTheRainbow are both monsters and will be ridiculously hard to beat. I was surprised to see Cool's opponent today going with a lot of bio. I was under the impression that helion/thor/tank is still the hardest for Zerg to break. I guess magic box is scaring a lot of Terrans into more marines over mass thors.
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On September 30 2010 01:19 dazer wrote:He wins cause he doesn't use this broken unit right here + Show Spoiler +
That's interesting, because he really doesn't ever use Hydras as far as I remember.
Hmm.
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Fruit Dealer fighting!!!1 Zerg fighting!!1 hydras simply fail in sc2.
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The real question is, how many people are going to put an apple next to their keyboard in hopes of becoming one of the greatest sc2 players of all time?
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GL for the finals ! You'r the man !
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Dealin' fruit and takin' names!
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On September 29 2010 22:02 nekuodah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 21:55 Hunch wrote:lol i like this guy but also kinda dont like this guy, really happy that a zerg made it into the finals, im sure its shut a lot of people up... should be a fun finals match I highly doubt an exceptionally good player is deemed as enough proof to quell the imbalance discussions
How would it shut Zerg players up when he himself is saying that Zerg is underpowered and that he is losing an overwhelming majority of his practice games ?
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On September 29 2010 21:43 Dosey wrote:
I believe we have to address the fact here that Cool is entirely too OP. He's broken the game.
I vote we move for a nerf.
We'll do it slowly, like blizzard. First, start with beer goggles and wrist weights. Then if he continues to be too OP we'll have no choice but to remove a few fingers.
Agree/Disagree?
Patch 1.1.2 notes: when Zerg spawns cross-map from Terran on metalopolis, Zerg is not allowed to build a 2nd hatchery until 40 supply reached.
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Last remarks?
▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
what a boss. between him and orglove's queen comics i can feel my faith in zerg growing
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I hope he wins the final, he really deserves it.
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I reaaaaally hope rainbow is gonna cheese and do cutesy things and win tomorrow against Ensnare. I'd be more calm knowing Cool will be playing vs rainbow in the finals, than knowing Ensnare will be his opponent.
Ensnare is just so fucking solid it's petrifying-scary to play against him.
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Cool, the Zerg white knight!
Cool fighting!
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This guy is adorkable. Zerg fighting.
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Even as a non-Zerg player, gogo Cool!
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Pride of Zerg.
3:0 a Terran -- this just makes me feel warm inside.
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TvZ finals is awesome
Rainbow vs Cool ftw
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On September 30 2010 01:42 Triscuit wrote:That's interesting, because he really doesn't ever use Hydras as far as I remember. Hmm.
If you look at his games he wins almost everything due to a combination of good macro and great surrounds/positioning. This is facilitated by using the faster zerg units (speedling, speed baneling, muta and ultra) and the infestor to limit the opponent's mobility.
At the end of the day hydras seem more like static defense in the zerg arsenal (handy against VRs, sometimes gateway pushes and banshees) because of how slow they are relative to everything else. Combine this to their being relatively flimsy (unlike thors for example which are slow but tough) and they are a huge liability because they can get caught in the open and annihilated.
Cool's play is absolutely amazing (game 1 was a great comeback) and hydras wouldn't have allowed him to keep alive and punish the Terran so hard for pushing at the wrong time. On top of that Hydras can never counterattack in any way so the Terran is free to macro up and can lose an army without getting hurt back home (because by the time the hydras make it there he has another army).
As has been noticed on a number of threads the hydra was forced into the game because it is so iconic but in its current incarnation does very little for Z. In my opinion they need some form of research-able utility upgrade (in the concussive shell vein). I don't think just buffing hp or attack will help them, the basic problem is that they are slow and don't fit a harassing/reactive play-style but seem like they would go with slow mech armies a lot better.
Anyways, don't want to go off topic here, Cool is great, those wins were beautiful and his use of zerg is the best I have seen.
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On September 29 2010 20:59 illumination wrote:
he is such a hero
Indeed.
He is the hope of all Zerg! :3
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On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.
Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool.
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On September 30 2010 03:21 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.
Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool.
He punked you! lol
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I wonder if his performance will make other BW players think more seriously about switching over.
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There's a lot of good terran players out there but none of them are a race defining icon like fruit dealer is. The only person who comes close to his stature for their race is SSKS. It may suck to play Zerg at a high level but holy moley if you can pull it off you become a legend.
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On September 30 2010 03:25 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 03:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.
Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool. He punked you! lol
God if only. How awesome would it be if an entire QQ thread being made by cool, and posted on TL was entirely to troll me. xD
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They should take dryad poison (lol) from Marauders and give it to Hydras at 25% and not 50%, then TvZ would be balanced.
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He is so fun to watch that I am almost considering switching from Toss to Zerg. Maybe play with both races as I do find Zerg fun to macro but just have not put in the time to get good with them.
Fruit Dealer Fighting! Also I hope we get a shot of the crowd in the finals and see everyone with fruit. That would be hilarious.
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You know how Blizzard reps are always saying that "The Zerg race needs to Flank"?
Cool is I think the player who has taken that advice most to heart. His macro is decent, but not mindblowing. His unit micro is very good...but I think I've seen better (e.g. Dimaga).
But Cool is better at positioning than any other Zerg I've ever seen. It seems like in every major battle, he manages to get perfect flanking/surrounds...and the difference it makes is monumental.
Its notable that he's been more successful with better flanking/surrounds than IdrA has been with his masterful macro. It suggests on some level to me that Zerg isn't as much of a macro-oriented race as everyone has assumed...but rather, its a positioning oriented race. There have been a lot of Cool's matches where a pivotal battle went down, and had it not been for his perfect flanking he'd have lost, and had he lost no amount of macro brilliance would have saved him from being steamrolled by his Terran opponent. But he got the surround, which helpd him win or draw in those pivotal battles, which ultimately allowed him to get the win. I know everyone likes to focus on flashy stuff like the surprise 6-pool, the Baneling carpet bombing, the Fungal Growthed medivacs, etc. But I think those things are secondary to Cool's extraordinary ability to arrange the battlefield in exactly the right way for him to get a flank/surround at the exact moment he needs it.
I really hope he wins, because I feel like Cool is helping to demonstrate how potent Zerg can actually be. Yes, they are the most difficult race, just as T and Z were more difficult than P in BW. And they may even be slightly UP. But when played at the highest level, they have the potential to be devastatingly effective, and I think the surface is just being scratched. And while everyone obsesses over build orders, the number of expansions you have, etc. Cool is showing that you don't need some genius build order no one's ever conceived of, you don't need to be a macro god with a 5 base advantage. You can actually just play in such a way that you outposition your opponent, win battles straight up, and that can ultimately be the key to victory.
Rock on Cool, you're an inspiration.
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On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
Last remarks?
▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
xD <3 xoxo
Oh and uhmmm.... I felt kinda bad about losign 0-2 to Ensnare in RO64 of GGI... I guess I shouldn't feel TOO bad since he's in top 4 of GSL! Rofl.
I think if I played a bit better that day I coulda beat him too... Lol maybe I should become a progamer too!?!?! XD
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COOL FIGHTING!!! o//
WTB FRUIT
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lol I'd like to hear the rest of this story: "we werent even that close, until one night i decided to stay up and have a drink with him, laugh" !!!!
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On September 30 2010 03:59 TheGiftedApe wrote:
lol I'd like to hear the rest of this story: "we werent even that close, until one night i decided to stay up and have a drink with him, laugh" !!!!
"We made fun of terrans all night long"
=p
On September 30 2010 03:32 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 03:25 JinDesu wrote:On September 30 2010 03:21 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:
In the second match, you were able to use fungal growth to snipe the medivacs.
▲ I used this tactic three months ago. Even when I practiced, I didnt reveal it in my plays. I figured Terran would learn how to avoid and counter it, so I saved it for an important match. It was tricky to pull off since I didnt get to practice it all that much, but I think it was quite effective today.
Oh thank god he was just bluffing about being unable to stop drops. i was entirely shocked at cool when he said that. since using infestors to stop drops is the easiest thing in the world. atta boy cool. He punked you! lol God if only. How awesome would it be if an entire QQ thread being made by cool, and posted on TL was entirely to troll me. xD
lol, I guess it's more that he punked terrans!
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Congrats to Cool! He sure lives up to his name.
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GL to Cool / FruitSeller. Simply put the sickest player in the world. His play this morning was jaw dropping.
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On September 29 2010 20:53 jongim wrote:Cool FIGHTING! Last remarks? ▲ ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
This Guy is my new internet superhero <3
GO GET THEM!
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This guy knows how to play Zerg. I think that he managed to strike a PERFECT balance between Drones and units production. He also has a great mindset, as well as great game senses, as seen in the flanks and counter attacks that he performed. The infestor play was also very impressive, I think that the well-timed fungal growths just made all the difference on Metalopolis.
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Possibly the first true "hero" of SC2, imo. Fruit Fighting!!!
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okay so cool will win the GSL because he only has to play T. Playing vs T is easy ^^
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Zerg fighting! Go Cool!
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The Fruitdealer is definitely the best zerg player in the world, and almost certainly one of the best players period right now. I'm rooting for him to win the GSL1 so hard!
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2 Reasons [out of a million] why Won Ki is a badass:
1. Competitively, these maps are tough to prepare for, as Zerg.
▲ I only had one day to prepare anyways, and on Scrap Station and Metalopolis I was lucky to have spawned under long rush distances. Even though the other three maps were Terran-favored, I played with this mindset: "Surely I wont lose all three matches..." [laugh]
AND HE DIDN'T!!!
2. So then, did you prepare for playing up to the 5th match?
▲ Not exactly. I was aiming to win 3:0.
AND HE DID!!!
Gahhh... as a terran user, I fear for our race's future, but the future of Starcraft 2 looks bright.
Edit:
Also, I wonder if he'll become the new BoxeR... but as a ZERG
Reign as the OVERMIND for years to come. Some sweet prospects for Wonky Won Ki
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Imagine that
Cool:Hi mom, i won 85k, heres the money
Mom: Wtf youre doing? Are you selling drugs?
Cool: I deal fruit and own some noob terrans
Mom: o_O
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thanks for teh translation. cool hwaitin!
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On September 29 2010 23:19 metaphoR wrote:
cool's QQ thing on that korean website kind of ruins this for me...hard to root for him, but its good to see a zerg in the finals
I think someone mentioned it before, but its so funny to look back at all his ZvT match-ups at the GSL and see that ever terran attempted some sort of drop play involving multiple fronts. What happened?
FAIL
Yea, I agree with the poster before me who said that he juked the terrans out. The Overmind will destroy your brain into submission!!!!!
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People love cheering for the underdog, which is why Karate Kid, Rocky and countless other movies raked in millions.
State of the Game talked about this, not many Zerg around but those that succeed will be seen as ROCKY, as a true hero of not just the Zerg players but Starcraft 2 in general - they were right.
Cool is that man right now
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Cool, excuse me, FruitDealer is the man!! When I read he might switch races a week or so ago, I thought about switching as well. But after seeing him do so well, there's no way I'll switch!
ZERG HWAITING!!
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Fruitdealer is so badass, he even makes progamers ragequit. Also - it seems he had a very clever plan against every opponent he faced. It seemed to me he had a strategy on how to win the GSL pretty much from the Ro64 onward. Such different builds, such great ideas... fungal, man - YOU CAN'T FUCKING TOUCH THIS!
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I hope he goes all the way!
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/oFnCF.jpg)
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Artosis gets so fired up watching a Zerg master it's contagious.
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Just made this for my appreciation.
![[image loading]](http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1358/coolomnomnom.gif)
![[image loading]](http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9483/coolsuchaballer.jpg)
Cool such a baller
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i thought cool is with TSL? is he flying solo?
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Jesus... Cool is so fucking good. I still can't believe how he pulled back from G1 after losing the hatch and his queen transfusions, infestor delaying, flanking of thors, drop defense, even nydus usage everything just flawless execution + macro.
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On September 30 2010 06:42 zonic wrote:
i thought cool is with TSL? is he flying solo?
Yes, he is on TSL with sSKS, Clide, and one more member.
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Cool has to be my favorite player, but I think Check is still my favorite zerg if I had to separate it. Such a good personality and really creative play from Cool, can't help but like him.
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On September 30 2010 05:51 Creep wrote:I hope he goes all the way!
omfg, greatest pic ever!
As someone who has been a zerg user since 1998, I am extremely proud of Cool. Starting in the RO16, I figured his time was short, but I cheered for him anyways.
COOL FIGHTING!!
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I know it doesn't prove zerg isn't underpowered if cool wins the gsl but i really hope he does just so idra and other zergs who want to switch races look like asses.
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all i saw so far was game 1 and fruit completely outplayed him, just wow
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I know it doesn't prove zerg isn't underpowered if cool wins the gsl but i really hope he does just so idra and other zergs who want to switch races look like asses.
You know, i don't really get this. If a Zerg wins the GSL, and a Zerg won King of the Beta, then that means the 2 most presitigous tournaments in starcraft 2 so far will have been won by Zerg.
To me, thats a powerful argument that when you start talking about the absolute most skilled players in the world, Zerg isn't underpowered.
It might be harder to play, in that getting to be good at lower levels of play is much easier with Protoss and Terran.
But Toss were easier than the other races in BW at lower levels of play. Did that make them "OP"? No, because once you started talking about the very best in the world, those differences disappeared, and the top Terran and Zerg were fully capabe of beating top Protoss players.
Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran?
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On September 30 2010 05:51 Creep wrote:I hope he goes all the way!
Best SC2 fan art I've seen yet ^^
과일장수 화이팅!
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Netherlands45349 Posts
If Cool wins this he is my Savior
minus the whole fixing matches stuff
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What an absolute legend.
FRUITDEALER FIGHTING!
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On September 30 2010 03:49 awesomoecalypse wrote:
You know how Blizzard reps are always saying that "The Zerg race needs to Flank"?
Cool is I think the player who has taken that advice most to heart. His macro is decent, but not mindblowing. His unit micro is very good...but I think I've seen better (e.g. Dimaga).
But Cool is better at positioning than any other Zerg I've ever seen. It seems like in every major battle, he manages to get perfect flanking/surrounds...and the difference it makes is monumental.
Its notable that he's been more successful with better flanking/surrounds than IdrA has been with his masterful macro. It suggests on some level to me that Zerg isn't as much of a macro-oriented race as everyone has assumed...but rather, its a positioning oriented race. There have been a lot of Cool's matches where a pivotal battle went down, and had it not been for his perfect flanking he'd have lost, and had he lost no amount of macro brilliance would have saved him from being steamrolled by his Terran opponent. But he got the surround, which helpd him win or draw in those pivotal battles, which ultimately allowed him to get the win. I know everyone likes to focus on flashy stuff like the surprise 6-pool, the Baneling carpet bombing, the Fungal Growthed medivacs, etc. But I think those things are secondary to Cool's extraordinary ability to arrange the battlefield in exactly the right way for him to get a flank/surround at the exact moment he needs it.
I really hope he wins, because I feel like Cool is helping to demonstrate how potent Zerg can actually be. Yes, they are the most difficult race, just as T and Z were more difficult than P in BW. And they may even be slightly UP. But when played at the highest level, they have the potential to be devastatingly effective, and I think the surface is just being scratched. And while everyone obsesses over build orders, the number of expansions you have, etc. Cool is showing that you don't need some genius build order no one's ever conceived of, you don't need to be a macro god with a 5 base advantage. You can actually just play in such a way that you outposition your opponent, win battles straight up, and that can ultimately be the key to victory.
Rock on Cool, you're an inspiration.
If you think cool has okay macro then you definitely forgot or havent seen the match vs OGsTOP on kulas ravine.... after being harassed and was very behind. he picked up many bases and came back
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Yay Cool!! Represent! Bring home Kerrigan a shiny GSL trophy and make all us Zergs fawn at your gosu skills!
Cool fighting!
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On September 30 2010 07:02 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran?
No, no it doesn't.
The KotB tourny had 3 great players and a bunch of fluff. Yes IdrA beat Tester in the final (just) but he also lost to Tester 3-0 in the group stage (and completely dodged ITR). You can't take anything from that.
And in GSL we had far less Zergs players in every round (until Cool reached Ro4).
Then in foreigner tournaments Zerg players stand absolutely no chance at all.
Now of course this doesn't prove that Zerg can't win but it certainly paints a picture of a race that is far more difficult to win with.
Just because it's possible to win as one race, doesn't mean the game is balanced. Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race.
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Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race.
But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players.
In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is.
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On September 30 2010 05:51 Creep wrote:I hope he goes all the way!
Can someone translate what is written on this sign please?
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On September 30 2010 07:15 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race. But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players. In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is.
Just because Cool might be able to beat ITR or Ensnare doesn't mean the race is balanced at the highest levels. It means Cool just had to work that much harder than his Terran counterparts for the win and they likely make some bad mistakes during the game. The game should most definitely be balanced for all levels of play as well. The point of a game is so that anyone can play it and everyone can relate to it when they watch.
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On September 30 2010 07:15 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race. But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players. In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is.
DiMaga and IdrA can't win anything even when they are far more skilled then their opposition so it's obviously not balanced around them.
You want to balance around a level of skill no-one has reached yet? That's just stupid. Balance for now and balance again later if things change.
And why should mid/high diamond not be balanced? It was in BroodWar.
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I'm guessing based on his "Zerg Players fighting" at the end of the interview, that hes gonna stick with zerg for next season after all?
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On September 30 2010 07:02 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I know it doesn't prove zerg isn't underpowered if cool wins the gsl but i really hope he does just so idra and other zergs who want to switch races look like asses. You know, i don't really get this. If a Zerg wins the GSL, and a Zerg won King of the Beta, then that means the 2 most presitigous tournaments in starcraft 2 so far will have been won by Zerg. To me, thats a powerful argument that when you start talking about the absolute most skilled players in the world, Zerg isn't underpowered. It might be harder to play, in that getting to be good at lower levels of play is much easier with Protoss and Terran. But Toss were easier than the other races in BW at lower levels of play. Did that make them "OP"? No, because once you started talking about the very best in the world, those differences disappeared, and the top Terran and Zerg were fully capabe of beating top Protoss players. Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran?
King of the Beta is not the 2nd most prestigious tournament in SC2 by miles. I loved the tournament, it was a lot of fun, but it was a tiny closed invitiational. IEM and MLG were both bigger, and more importantly, more recent.
Cool himself has said he has tremendous trouble beating terran and protoss players, he obviously didn't feel so confident against Inca to play straight up in all the games, more power to him to find a way to win. Did you seriously see the way he played in the games in GSL? It was unbelievable, he was literally doing everything at a ridiculous level and his opponent didn't impress at all.
Did you see the series against oGsTOP? That series was also ridiculous, TOP definitely should have won that series if he played better and since then the Ultralisk has been nerfed against all units including ones that are not a planetary fortress. That means he actually might have lost that battle even getting a ridiculous surround that he should never have been allowed to get on all those Thors.
I don't think the situation is so dire right now, I think there are definitely things that need to be fixed, but for fuck's sake stop being an ignorant comic-troll and at least read one other forum thread before you make yourself look like an asshole again.
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Im so glad hes made it this far. He's giving zerg players some hope.
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On September 30 2010 07:08 Kipsate wrote:
If Cool wins this he is my Savior
minus the whole fixing matches stuff
rofl
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GL Cool!!! GG
ps.: imagine if zerg were balanced then Cool would own everyone just by gazing at them!! ^^
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Man, the level of play by Cool in this series was insane. He pretty much perfectly countered everything that was thrown at him. It was like he was a step ahead of the T the entire time and despite him making things as a reaction to the T it was still like he was dictating to the T what to build.
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Hey mom.
I just destroyed a top 4 terran in 3 sets.
Oh I also got 27k and I'm playinf for 85k this sunday... mind bringing some fruit? :D
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On September 30 2010 08:12 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Man, the level of play by Cool in this series was insane. He pretty much perfectly countered everything that was thrown at him. It was like he was a step ahead of the T the entire time and despite him making things as a reaction to the T it was still like he was dictating to the T what to build.
Well, technically he was forcing the T to go certain compositions. In fact, T decided to vary it up a little (Thor, Tank, Viking, Marine, Medivac?), which may have weakened his total forces a bit by going too spread out.
It wasn't so much the standard reactionary play for Zerg as it was just messing with the mindset of LiveForever =p
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omg that game 1 was insane. That last army of terran was pretty huge and cool just rolls through it. If i saw that biomech army heading towards my base i woulda cried but no the fruitdealer just stomps through.
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On September 30 2010 08:13 Sabu113 wrote:
Hey mom.
I just destroyed a top 4 terran in 3 sets.
Oh I also got 27k and I'm playinf for 85k this sunday... mind bringing some fruit? :D
epic
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On September 30 2010 07:13 Klive5ive wrote:
Just because it's possible to win as one race, doesn't mean the game is balanced. Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race.
One race can be harder though but still be balanced... at lower levels in BW i think everyone would agree Protoss is easiest against people of the same skill level, for sure.
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Game 1 was super impressive. These are the games, these are those that attract people just like boxer did in the past. We need you FruitDealer, we need you super tasty fruit.
Two super genius moments in g1 :
Healing Muta with queens in the middle of the map thanks to his creep spreading, that allowed him to kill Terran's army.
His small infestor army kept close to the Terran base to delay with fungal as much as possible the push; even dropping eggs to "tank" siege tank damage and let the infestor fungal safely.
gOGOGOGOGOGO!
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Nice interview! Cool Fighting!!!
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On September 30 2010 07:02 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I know it doesn't prove zerg isn't underpowered if cool wins the gsl but i really hope he does just so idra and other zergs who want to switch races look like asses. You know, i don't really get this. If a Zerg wins the GSL, and a Zerg won King of the Beta, then that means the 2 most presitigous tournaments in starcraft 2 so far will have been won by Zerg. To me, thats a powerful argument that when you start talking about the absolute most skilled players in the world, Zerg isn't underpowered. It might be harder to play, in that getting to be good at lower levels of play is much easier with Protoss and Terran. But Toss were easier than the other races in BW at lower levels of play. Did that make them "OP"? No, because once you started talking about the very best in the world, those differences disappeared, and the top Terran and Zerg were fully capabe of beating top Protoss players. Guys like Ensnare and ITR are arguably the best Terrans in the world.If Cool does manage to beat them, then doesn't that prove that the Zerg race, if played to its full potential and at the most elite level is fully competitive with Toss and Terran?
This is entirely based on the assumption that current Terran or Protoss strategies is fully developed.
I'd say Terran still has a lot left to be discovered since it has been much easier for them so far. Protoss also to a lesser extent. Zerg has had to work their asses off to be able to compete and win.
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Thanks a ton for the translation... I love him saving up cool tricks to use later on... but i wonder what happens when he runs out of them...
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I like Rainbow and Ensnare but FruitDealer is my first SC2 hero, I'll be rooting for you Won Ki Kim for the finals.
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thanks for this i always love reading up on these sorts of interviews
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Hey cool... remember that one time where you transfused your mutas mid battle..... that was awesome....
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A Zerg winning the GSL doesn't dispove all balance discussion, it just means that Cool has been exponentially better than each opponent he's faced. Him and TOP were well matched, and Cool was lucky to slip by.
Still glad Cool is in it, and I hope he wins the money. He is so deserving of it. ^^
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ZERG USERS. FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heck yes. I root for Cool.
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This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies.
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It doesn't matter if for the average gamer Zerg is harder to use - look @ Toss in BW, much easier for the average player to play. But at the top (skillcapped), the races are balanced.
In any case awesome interview - easily my favourite player now (and i play T), I hope he wins the whole thing :D
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Hope Cool goes all the way!
Btw, you guys have an idea what's the first place prize/prize pool for GSL 2 ?
hopefully it gets doubled, with all the great names joining...
or at least reach $100k first place prize
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Love cool such a baller man
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On September 30 2010 11:46 divertiti wrote:
This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies.
It certainly will. Zerg playing 10 times better than his opponent and winning tournament games is truly indicative of perfect balance.
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On September 30 2010 12:12 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 11:46 divertiti wrote:
This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies. It certainly will. Zerg playing 10 times better than his opponent and winning tournament games is truly indicative of perfect balance.
ROFL
...and the fact that zerg still have the worst WLR should prevent comments like that from appearing in forums!
I mean yes, that's quite an achievement but I'm sure if you ask Cool if he thinks ZvT is fine I'm sure he'll tell you it's not..... so yeah
PS: I'm not QQ'n and I'm actually having a better win ratio vs Terran than Toss/Zerg atm.
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On September 30 2010 12:12 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 11:46 divertiti wrote:
This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies. It certainly will. Zerg playing 10 times better than his opponent and winning tournament games is truly indicative of perfect balance.
That's what I was thinking too. People look at Cool vs. Terran and think it's somehow Cool showing us how to play Zerg, when in reality it's Cool showing us that he's a fucking amazing player, miles ahead of his opponents.
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On September 30 2010 12:23 Darkn3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 12:12 mierin wrote:On September 30 2010 11:46 divertiti wrote:
This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies. It certainly will. Zerg playing 10 times better than his opponent and winning tournament games is truly indicative of perfect balance. ROFL ...and the fact that zerg still have the worst WLR should prevent comments like that from appearing in forums! I mean yes, that's quite an achievement but I'm sure if you ask Cool if he thinks ZvT is fine I'm sure he'll tell you it's not..... so yeah PS: I'm not QQ'n and I'm actually having a better win ratio vs Terran than Toss/Zerg atm.
Wait a minute...you thought I was serious? Even with the vomiting emoticon? Yikes.
EDIT: Or...I could be retarded.
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On September 30 2010 12:47 CScythe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 12:12 mierin wrote:On September 30 2010 11:46 divertiti wrote:
This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies. It certainly will. Zerg playing 10 times better than his opponent and winning tournament games is truly indicative of perfect balance. That's what I was thinking too. People look at Cool vs. Terran and think it's somehow Cool showing us how to play Zerg, when in reality it's Cool showing us that he's a fucking amazing player, miles ahead of his opponents.
Well to be fair, I think he was both showing how far ahead he is from his opponents, AND how to play zerg.
He harasses effectively while macroing and delaying the opponent.
He gets and uses burrow.
He gets Infestors and uses hit and run fungal growth to delay pushes, defend drops, and weaken armies.
He keeps his mutas alive for long periods of time to delay the opponent.
He gets ovie speed and drop and uses them.
He gets nydus worms and uses them.
He actually is willing to build more than 2 spine crawlers if the situation merits it.
He does his best instead of artificially ruling out possibilities (eg: he doesn't say certain 'zerg tech and upgrades are too expensive and hard to use')
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Half the finalists are Zergs? Zerg is so imba.
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This man is an inspiration to us all. Long live the swarm!
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"Fruit Dealer" aka "Cool" changes his Id to ZergKing, since he no longer has to sell fruit, being the most baller nerd on the planet(until ensare or rainbow gets into the finals.)
but in reality I've been wanting to switch too zerg, I might just have too now.
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On September 30 2010 13:00 btlyger wrote:
This man is an inspiration to us all. Long live the swarm!
Srsly.
EDIT: No joke, this guy destroying his opponents is worth wayyy more than the GOMtv charge.
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On September 30 2010 13:00 tehguy wrote:
Half the finalists are Zergs? Zerg is so imba.
True that
Statistics don't lie
I think they need to give Marauder +20 more HP and range 8 and ability to shoot air
they die instantly against mutalisks wtf
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I just want zerg to win a major tournament now. Forget imbalance, zerg is just fucking awesome.
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On September 29 2010 21:11 Faraday wrote:
How you like THEM APPLES?
Fruitdealer my hero!
oh my god best pun i've read in like weeks hahaha
fruit dealer hwaiting
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On September 30 2010 13:28 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 13:00 tehguy wrote:
Half the finalists are Zergs? Zerg is so imba. True that Statistics don't lie I think they need to give Marauder +20 more HP and range 8 and ability to shoot air they die instantly against mutalisks wtf
Instantly ? :p
The marauders destroy all your buildings before the mutas get through the first one.
As for Zerg in general, Cool actually does support some things that need work, like the hydralisk. He doesn't use them as far as I can tell, maybe Blizzard (and the rest of us) should ask him why. If a race already has very very few units, there shouldn't be a useless one ...
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oh man he hasn't told his parents yet lol.
"o hay mom, i'm just callin to let you know i won 85,000 USD. kthanxbai"
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I'm an SC2 noob. Can someone explain to me how fruit dealer keeps his economy so good? How often is he making drones vs. attackers, how does he balance gas/minerals so well, has anyone analyzed this stuff yet? It's like he's not afraid of losing 6 drones to a banshee. Just make more drones and kill it off eventually? Like if that's the answer, lol...
edit: also what's the math on drone harass. Like, drones cost 50 minerals, but they bring minerals back to your base so they pay for themselves by mining. Banshee will kill your drones, but banshees cannot mine minerals. Please explain the cost-effectiveness of drone killing
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On September 30 2010 13:49 kwiznek wrote:
I'm an SC2 noob. Can someone explain to me how fruit dealer keeps his economy so good? How often is he making drones vs. attackers, how does he balance gas/minerals so well, has anyone analyzed this stuff yet? It's like he's not afraid of losing 6 drones to a banshee. Just make more drones and kill it off eventually? Like if that's the answer, lol...
I'll give you a clue in game 1:
It's all timing and practice. He keeps an overlord near the opponent to watch for harass and pushes, and he drones and techs at all times possible in between pushes. In fact, the only army he had when the terran had the marine/marauder army was 6 or so zerglings, 4 roaches, 3 or 4 queens from the banshee harass, and that's it.
He throws the zerglings in as fodder to buy time for 3 spine crawlers to come down, then makes 3 mutas because he fast teched into them. Then he makes I believe 5 or 6 more mutas while terran is pre-occupied with trying to kill his third base, and then he goes back to droning for the third base again. All the while he was killing off the terran army with new zerglings, mutas, and the queens.
It's a very very fine sense of timing.
Regarding your edit:
It's not just drone cost effectiveness - for every drone that you kill, if the zerg needs to replace, he is losing out on a drone for his army. So if you make banshees and are cutting workers for it, you need to kill enough workers to make up the mineral cost of the banshee, plus the workers you are cutting for it, plus the additional workers to guarantee his army is smaller than yours
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hell yeaaaaaaaa cool! i can't wait to see the vods
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On September 30 2010 13:57 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 13:49 kwiznek wrote:
I'm an SC2 noob. Can someone explain to me how fruit dealer keeps his economy so good? How often is he making drones vs. attackers, how does he balance gas/minerals so well, has anyone analyzed this stuff yet? It's like he's not afraid of losing 6 drones to a banshee. Just make more drones and kill it off eventually? Like if that's the answer, lol... I'll give you a clue in game 1: It's all timing and practice. He keeps an overlord near the opponent to watch for harass and pushes, and he drones and techs at all times possible in between pushes. In fact, the only army he had when the terran had the marine/marauder army was 6 or so zerglings, 4 roaches, 3 or 4 queens from the banshee harass, and that's it. He throws the zerglings in as fodder to buy time for 3 spine crawlers to come down, then makes 3 mutas because he fast teched into them. Then he makes I believe 5 or 6 more mutas while terran is pre-occupied with trying to kill his third base, and then he goes back to droning for the third base again. All the while he was killing off the terran army with new zerglings, mutas, and the queens. It's a very very fine sense of timing. Regarding your edit: It's not just drone cost effectiveness - for every drone that you kill, if the zerg needs to replace, he is losing out on a drone for his army. So if you make banshees and are cutting workers for it, you need to kill enough workers to make up the mineral cost of the banshee, plus the workers you are cutting for it, plus the additional workers to guarantee his army is smaller than yours
Nice thanks man. So it's all about knowing when to drone... and not just like, oh if i'm safe i'll make 2 drones 2 zerglings, literally, you make 4 drones if you can??
Also about my edit: so you're saying that the guy harassing is actually taking a larger risk, more than the guy droning. It seems counterintuitive, considering a droning/passive/cat&mouse play is like just a sitting duck, whereas the aggressor is killing workers. But if it doesnt pay off, you fail... interesting.
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Fruitdealer will deal his deadliest fruits on Saturday and hopefully he will win it all!
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On September 30 2010 13:07 TheGiftedApe wrote:
"Fruit Dealer" aka "Cool" changes his Id to ZergKing, since he no longer has to sell fruit, being the most baller nerd on the planet(until ensare or rainbow gets into the finals.)
but in reality I've been wanting to switch too zerg, I might just have too now.
I have been wanting to play Zerg for a long time, but my experience with them during the beta made me shy away. I did well against T and P, but Z absolutely crushed me! ZvZ is a rough matchup (especially when you are just learning them).
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On September 30 2010 14:08 kwiznek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 13:57 JinDesu wrote:On September 30 2010 13:49 kwiznek wrote:
I'm an SC2 noob. Can someone explain to me how fruit dealer keeps his economy so good? How often is he making drones vs. attackers, how does he balance gas/minerals so well, has anyone analyzed this stuff yet? It's like he's not afraid of losing 6 drones to a banshee. Just make more drones and kill it off eventually? Like if that's the answer, lol... I'll give you a clue in game 1: It's all timing and practice. He keeps an overlord near the opponent to watch for harass and pushes, and he drones and techs at all times possible in between pushes. In fact, the only army he had when the terran had the marine/marauder army was 6 or so zerglings, 4 roaches, 3 or 4 queens from the banshee harass, and that's it. He throws the zerglings in as fodder to buy time for 3 spine crawlers to come down, then makes 3 mutas because he fast teched into them. Then he makes I believe 5 or 6 more mutas while terran is pre-occupied with trying to kill his third base, and then he goes back to droning for the third base again. All the while he was killing off the terran army with new zerglings, mutas, and the queens. It's a very very fine sense of timing. Regarding your edit: It's not just drone cost effectiveness - for every drone that you kill, if the zerg needs to replace, he is losing out on a drone for his army. So if you make banshees and are cutting workers for it, you need to kill enough workers to make up the mineral cost of the banshee, plus the workers you are cutting for it, plus the additional workers to guarantee his army is smaller than yours Nice thanks man. So it's all about knowing when to drone... and not just like, oh if i'm safe i'll make 2 drones 2 zerglings, literally, you make 4 drones if you can??
In an ideal world, you'd spend every single larva on drones until you need to defend against an attack, at which point you'd quickly pump out a large army just in time to face it.
The problem with this is that if you get it wrong and the opponent hits before you're ready then he just rolls over you and it's an instant loss.
Cool has a great awareness of what his opponent is doing and a great sense of timing for when he needs to start churning out units. He's also really good at stalling an attack until he can get his units on the field.
The best example of this would probably be in his game against TOP on Scrap Station in the ro8 where he had nothing when the Terran started his push and then 15 ultras JUST as the attack reached his base. He could have been making units throughout the game, which would have been safer, but ultimately it would have left him with a smaller army and a weaker economy. Instead he just went heavy on econ in the mid-game (like 90 drones on 3 or 4 bases) and trusted himself to be prepared for the attack when it finally came, making only enough just units to be able to fend off harass until that point.
The guy is basically showing everyone how Zerg should be played in SC2.
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I hope he makes it a signature move where he takes a bite out of a randomly selected fruit every time he completely crushes his opponent.
Edit: And then SC2's lead sponsor will be a grocery store. LOLOLOL!
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On September 30 2010 14:58 cuppatea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 14:08 kwiznek wrote:On September 30 2010 13:57 JinDesu wrote:On September 30 2010 13:49 kwiznek wrote:
I'm an SC2 noob. Can someone explain to me how fruit dealer keeps his economy so good? How often is he making drones vs. attackers, how does he balance gas/minerals so well, has anyone analyzed this stuff yet? It's like he's not afraid of losing 6 drones to a banshee. Just make more drones and kill it off eventually? Like if that's the answer, lol... I'll give you a clue in game 1: It's all timing and practice. He keeps an overlord near the opponent to watch for harass and pushes, and he drones and techs at all times possible in between pushes. In fact, the only army he had when the terran had the marine/marauder army was 6 or so zerglings, 4 roaches, 3 or 4 queens from the banshee harass, and that's it. He throws the zerglings in as fodder to buy time for 3 spine crawlers to come down, then makes 3 mutas because he fast teched into them. Then he makes I believe 5 or 6 more mutas while terran is pre-occupied with trying to kill his third base, and then he goes back to droning for the third base again. All the while he was killing off the terran army with new zerglings, mutas, and the queens. It's a very very fine sense of timing. Regarding your edit: It's not just drone cost effectiveness - for every drone that you kill, if the zerg needs to replace, he is losing out on a drone for his army. So if you make banshees and are cutting workers for it, you need to kill enough workers to make up the mineral cost of the banshee, plus the workers you are cutting for it, plus the additional workers to guarantee his army is smaller than yours Nice thanks man. So it's all about knowing when to drone... and not just like, oh if i'm safe i'll make 2 drones 2 zerglings, literally, you make 4 drones if you can?? In an ideal world, you'd spend every single larva on drones until you need to defend against an attack, at which point you'd quickly pump out a large army just in time to face it. The problem with this is that if you get it wrong and the opponent hits before you're ready then he just rolls over you and it's an instant loss. Cool has a great awareness of what his opponent is doing and a great sense of timing for when he needs to start churning out units. He's also really good at stalling an attack until he can get his units on the field. The best example of this would probably be in his game against TOP on Scrap Station in the ro8 where he had nothing when the Terran started his push and then 15 ultras JUST as the attack reached his base. He could have been making units throughout the game, which would have been safer, but ultimately it would have left him with a smaller army and a weaker economy. Instead he just went heavy on econ in the mid-game (like 90 drones on 3 or 4 bases) and trusted himself to be prepared for the attack when it finally came, making only enough just units to be able to fend off harass until that point. The guy is basically showing everyone how Zerg should be played in SC2.
This is pretty true. I noticed it in game 1 against LiveForever that he gets the absolute bare minimum to handle things. An example, when he saw that LiveForever was going Banshee after his Reapers, he didnt really do much. He got Lair tech, popped 2 extra queen, got an overseer and got TONNNNNSSSSS of drones because he knew that since LiveForever wouldnt have much to attack with after the early rax into banshee. He went from like 22 drones before the banshee to 40 drones after he repelled it
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I propose people start saying "Fruitdealer story, bro." for now on.
Hope this guy wins, I always root for him, fighting the good fight.
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On September 30 2010 13:48 Aeyn wrote:
oh man he hasn't told his parents yet lol.
"o hay mom, i'm just callin to let you know i won 85,000 USD. kthanxbai"
Its not really funny if you think about. He isn't telling his parents because of his culture. He doesnt want to feel shame if he loses. I find that sad.
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On September 30 2010 16:06 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 13:48 Aeyn wrote:
oh man he hasn't told his parents yet lol.
"o hay mom, i'm just callin to let you know i won 85,000 USD. kthanxbai" Its not really funny if you think about. He isn't telling his parents because of his culture. He doesnt want to feel shame if he loses. I find that sad.
It could be for a number of reasons he haven't told him. I know many parents that would be less happy to have their child peruse a gaming career rather than like academics. I don't know the situation for Cool, but whatever reason he haven't told them, thousands of dollars will certainly sway anyones opinion. ;=)
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Cool makes me want to switch over to Zerg!
Even though I'm a Terran player, I'm definitely rooting for him to win the Finals, though I will be happy if either IntoTheRainbow or Cool wins.
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Wow, Cool's 25? Koreans look so damn young. Pwned in the semi's and no doubt he will do great in the finals. Even if he doesn't win, his games are fun as hell to watch. Good luck! I'm gonna try and switch to Zerg in his honor.
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What a fucking baller. Love him.
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On September 30 2010 11:38 Headshot wrote:
A Zerg winning the GSL doesn't dispove all balance discussion, it just means that Cool has been exponentially better than each opponent he's faced. Him and TOP were well matched, and Cool was lucky to slip by.
Still glad Cool is in it, and I hope he wins the money. He is so deserving of it. ^^
Or it may also means that since the game is still new, people figured out (or it was just easier) good strategies and timings with terran, however, zerg when played accordingly at high level is as good as terran or who knows maybe even overpowered. I am not saying it is like that (maybe it is, maybe not), what I trying to say is : more patience :-)))))
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On September 30 2010 07:15 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +Balance means games between equally skilled players should be 50/50 regardless of their race. But games should be balanced at the highest level of skill, not for noobs and mediocre players. In other words, the game should be balanced around guys like Cool, DiMaga, IdrA, etc., rather than random mid-daimond players QQing over how hard it is.
are you arguing that Terran is OP in BW?
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Last remarks = AWESOME!. cant wait to play tomorrow!
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On September 30 2010 02:52 Sixes wrote:
As has been noticed on a number of threads the hydra was forced into the game because it is so iconic but in its current incarnation does very little for Z. In my opinion they need some form of research-able utility upgrade (in the concussive shell vein).
Hydra attacks stop medival healing on target? :>
Would certainly make T fear them!
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I wonder how the discussions goes about balance issues in blizzard goes now after Cool's games.
When he plays zerg it's so fucking Sick!!!!!!.
COOL HWAITING!!!!
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On September 30 2010 16:56 ProwlerSC wrote:
Wow, Cool's 25? Koreans look so damn young. Pwned in the semi's and no doubt he will do great in the finals. Even if he doesn't win, his games are fun as hell to watch. Good luck! I'm gonna try and switch to Zerg in his honor.
Artosis said he was 27 in one of the earlier casts
Also, while being modest is one thing, I hope his mindset of coming in as an underdog doesn't hurt his play in the finals~
<3 FD
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Such a good guy. Hope he wins. I believe his alias was dedicated for his parents who are really fruit sellers.
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On September 30 2010 12:58 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 12:23 Darkn3ss wrote:On September 30 2010 12:12 mierin wrote:On September 30 2010 11:46 divertiti wrote:
This should shut up all the Zerg cry babies. It certainly will. Zerg playing 10 times better than his opponent and winning tournament games is truly indicative of perfect balance. ROFL ...and the fact that zerg still have the worst WLR should prevent comments like that from appearing in forums! I mean yes, that's quite an achievement but I'm sure if you ask Cool if he thinks ZvT is fine I'm sure he'll tell you it's not..... so yeah PS: I'm not QQ'n and I'm actually having a better win ratio vs Terran than Toss/Zerg atm. Wait a minute...you thought I was serious? Even with the vomiting emoticon? Yikes. EDIT: Or...I could be retarded.
No I was lol'n at your comment and bashing the one above!!! xD Kinda confusing, I know! XD
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GL Cool!!!!! He deserves this, he's going to have a tough time in finals for sure
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What was the score between IntoTheRainbow and Ensnare? I can't seem to find that info anywhere.
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godlike interview =)
FOR THE SWARM!
edit: Ensnare 1:3 RainBOw
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On October 01 2010 02:54 DkH.ZeRa wrote:
godlike interview =)
FOR THE SWARM!
edit: Ensnare 1:3 RainBOw
I was gonna say.... RainBow seems like a way better player than Ensnare... I've played Ensnare before.
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