EPTIt's one thing to stick with Zerg after Blizzard nerfs them into the ground but switching TO Zerg as a pro-gamer is career suicide.
MorroW playing Zerg? - Page 16
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
It's one thing to stick with Zerg after Blizzard nerfs them into the ground but switching TO Zerg as a pro-gamer is career suicide. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 29 2010 12:49 cArn- wrote: You kinda forgot 2 other reasons : getting a new expo running asap or recovering from workers losses. The less workers you have the more valuable mules are. Also some builds are way more gas heavy than some others so you end up not needing mules. The only reason would be saving for a scan, which doesn't address dropping 4-5 mules at once. Getting a new expo running asap or recovering from worker losses are completely irrelevant. If by "getting a new expo running," you mean "have mules mine at the new expo so your old expos don't mine out as fast," it'd be very situational and in no situation should you actually save over 50 energy to do so. Please think before trying to correct someone. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On September 29 2010 13:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote: If I knew MorroW would switch to zerg fulltime Id bet you money hed become good -_- Hes got talent, and I dont care what anyone says about balance. Who wouldn't become good ? The point here is how long will it take for morrow to win any tournament with cash prize as Z ? I bet you money any good Z switching to T would win a tournament way before him.  | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On September 29 2010 13:54 ilbh wrote: you can't judge game balancing or anything at lower levels, there is no parameter, everyone commit a lot of mistakes and everything else. that is my point, its so obvious. did I really need to explain? In warcraft 2 the only real difference between the Orcs and Humans were that humans didn't get bloodlust and human upgrades cost like twice as much gold. I wasn't good at that game, and yet I somehow know that the game is imbalaced toward orc. How is it possible that I know this? | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On September 29 2010 12:42 Fa1nT wrote: That's an odd thing to say. If you need minerals, your mules should have already been out. The only reason to save mules is if you want less minerals early game and more later, which is not really beneficial for terrans.. at all. I got to disagree with you, your not "Saving" mules.. your saving energy One MAJOR reason to save energy is because you might need detection or intel .. If they have banshees out, you save mules.. as soon as the banshee(s) are taken care of and your in the clear, you drop 2-3 mules.. I've seen this in plenty of pro matches.. I saw one pro's base getting harassed, and then after he took care of harassment he dropped the mules.. I geuss people are wary of losing their mules to harassment.. would make sense.. if your in an intense battle at your front, and your losing exposed depots, you might want to save energy for a emergency supply drop to get out of red so you can get that unit out to save yourself.. might want to drop mules on their tank line? If they deny your scouting viking with stalkers, you might need to scan, if you get in there with the scout, drop the vikings. Protoss might be saving energy to see if they need to rush out units.. as soon as your in the clear, chrono boost the nexus. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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graphene
Finland211 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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Eleclight
Finland70 Posts
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phungus420
United States179 Posts
On September 29 2010 14:30 Eleclight wrote: Mad props to MorroW for going this far, especially on his main account. Most people seem to ignore the fact that MorroW just jumped into ladder as Zerg without much practice or reading up. His loss streaks mean nothing at this point. It doesn't mean nothing; it's just not ironclad evidence that totally proves the fact z is weaker. However keep in mind that when Zs switch to T/P, they typically don't hit the kind of loosing streaks MorroW is seeing. So while it doesn't prove the assertion Z is a weak race, MorroW's performance while playing Z does support that conjecture. And yes, MorroW deserves credit for at least trying this. I don't understand doing so on his main account, since he is a high level player who's performance is closely followed and a massive loosing streak on the ladder could harm his invitational tourney prospects. But best of luck to him while playing Z. While I strongly agree Z is the weakest race, and hope Blizz fixes this to make top level tourneys more interesting, it would be cooler to actually see MorroW succede and become equivalently succesfull with Z as he is with T. I don't mind being wrong here, and as I said before I'd love to see IdrA eat his previous words. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On September 29 2010 14:34 phungus420 wrote: It doesn't mean nothing; it's just not ironclad evidence that totally proves the fact z is weaker. However keep in mind that when Zs switch to T/P, they typically don't hit the kind of loosing streaks MorroW is seeing. So while it doesn't prove the assertion Z is a weak race, MorroW's performance while playing Z does support that conjecture. currently the face that morrow goes on a losing streak when switching to zerg. and that zeg players who switch to toss or terran. all that means is that the learning curve for zerg compared to toss and terran is huge. it speaks nothing for balance. simply put. its easier to play terran and toss, harder to play zerg. which im pretty sure everyone can already agree on. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On September 29 2010 14:34 phungus420 wrote: It doesn't mean nothing; it's just not ironclad evidence that totally proves the fact z is weaker. However keep in mind that when Zs switch to T/P, they typically don't hit the kind of loosing streaks MorroW is seeing. So while it doesn't prove the assertion Z is a weak race, MorroW's performance while playing Z does support that conjecture. If a zerg was 2200 rating and tried to off race then yes he would most likely get the exact same losing streak. Because there is no chance of him taking games off of top players before he learns the race properly. Don't apply gold level logic to the very top of the ladder. | ||
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hdkhang
Australia183 Posts
On September 29 2010 14:30 Eleclight wrote: Mad props to MorroW for going this far, especially on his main account. Most people seem to ignore the fact that MorroW just jumped into ladder as Zerg without much practice or reading up. His loss streaks mean nothing at this point. Agreed. People on these forums need to turn the hate dials down a notch. MorroW is one of the good guys. He is entitled to his opinions as well as his confidence in his abilities. Even if you don't agree with what he says, there is no need for trash. | ||
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phungus420
United States179 Posts
On September 29 2010 14:41 StarBrift wrote: If a zerg was 2200 rating and tried to off race then yes he would most likely get the exact same losing streak. Because there is no chance of him taking games off of top players before he learns the race properly. Don't apply gold level logic to the very top of the ladder. You sure about that? I think I've read on these forums that Dimaga had no issues when switching to T, and in fact started to outperform his Main race Z. Could be wrong though, but just from watching the GSL and other tournaments it simply seems like common sense to me that Z has problems. And no, I'm not a zerg player that's QQing, just stating my perception based on observing high level touney play. And like I've said before I'd like to see MorroW do well playing Z, I just don't expect it to happen. I mean he is a top level player, so he is going to be a good player when using Zerg, but I don't think he will come close to his current strength with T, ie I bet he will never take down a high $ tourney playing Z, no matter how much practice he puts into it; while on the flipside I'm fairly confident Idra or Dimaga could pull off better performances if they switched to T (something I wish Idra would just do, as his whining about Zs UPness is annoying, and he's an S-class pro playing for $$$, if he really feels T is stronger and would increase his earnings, he should do it already instead of complaining). | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
You can't really wing builds very well as zerg - there's no easy win build. It takes a while to get used to zerg with things like balancing army + drones and learning timings + counters for some of the more dangerous T/P openings. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On September 29 2010 11:13 pieisamazing wrote: I play random, so I don't see the bias I supposedly have that you clearly judged because of my icon. morrow wasn't some super great foreigner in brood war. He was above-average, sure, but wasn't in the league of any of the actual big name players. stuff like this makes me lol. above-avarage? towards the end i had way over 50% win result vs top foreigners. i was for sure in the top3 best terran outside of korea (counting idra as in korea) but since i was a new player and practiced so hard the last 2 iccup seasons where i massgamed vs koreans during this period of time i only got into the tsl where i lost to kolll 1-3, did never get to prove myself in that game but i promise im not lying here :/ i think im gonna be underrated for life, finally doing well with terran and everyone claims it on my race i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote: stuff like this makes me lol. above-avarage? towards the end i had way over 50% win result vs top foreigners. i was for sure in the top3 best terran outside of korea (counting idra as in korea) but since i was a new player and practiced so hard the last 2 iccup seasons where i massgamed vs koreans during this period of time i only got into the tsl where i lost to kolll 1-3, did never get to prove myself in that game but i promise im not lying here :/ i think im gonna be underrated for life, finally doing well with terran and everyone claims it on my race good luck morrow with zerg. as much as i am on the zerg QQ train. i actually hope you get good with them. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
GL with whatever race you choose to play. :> | ||
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Mystix
Canada78 Posts
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