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Seraph.yongweihua
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 06:42:54
September 29 2010 06:42 GMT
#341
I didn't think his macro was that good in his game against Idra in the IEM. His micro was certainly amazing, but I still think his macro was lacking.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 29 2010 06:42 GMT
#342
On September 29 2010 15:33 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.

He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him.


I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder.

Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).


one game doesn't mean anything. I beat a progamer in one game on iccup so by the transitive property I should be playing in proleague.




Think you failed to detect the sarcasm.
Awesomesauce
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium69 Posts
September 29 2010 06:44 GMT
#343
I'm not a fan of morrow but i have huge respect for him, he's such a talented player.

Don't understand why everyone is bashing him here on TL :x

Good luck with the swarm morrow
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10751 Posts
September 29 2010 06:47 GMT
#344
Give him 2-3 Weeks (if he sticks to Z).

Judge then.



Wtf were some guys here thinking? You switch your race when you sit basically on top of the ladder and don't lose some points in the beginning?
OhNoItsTheMunch
Profile Joined June 2009
United States96 Posts
September 29 2010 06:47 GMT
#345
I actually have to give MorroW a lot of props. At first I jumped on the bandwagon of "OH LOOK IMBA TERRAN CANT PLAY ZERG LOL" but once he responded he made me want to keep playing zerg when I was considering switching to playing Random more often. Among a community of rats fleeing the sinking ship that is zerg, hopefully more people will follow morrow and make the switch the OTHER way. EMBRACE zerg; we might be flawed by design, but at least the swarm looks cool. MorroW FIGHTING!
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
September 29 2010 06:56 GMT
#346
On September 29 2010 07:38 Thurokiir wrote:
It takes balls to do what you're doing man, Best of luck to you and I hope you learn the race at a high level! =D.


Not to diss Morrow or anything, but it really doesn't take massive amounts of courage to ladder a dozen games on a different race in an RTS.

Ladder != tournament with money on the line

Ladder = playing a multiplayer video game in your own home

There's no need to attach all this melodrama to every aspect of the game. Save it for the tournaments, imo.
whatsgrackalackin420
smegged
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia213 Posts
September 29 2010 07:01 GMT
#347
On September 29 2010 15:42 Seraph.yongweihua wrote:
I didn't think his macro was that good in his game against Idra in the IEM. His micro was certainly amazing, but I still think his macro was lacking.


The thing that stuck out to me was in the final game where he hid the factory in the back of the base where it couldn't be scouted. It was really good positioning, which basically won him the game.
"I'm usually happy when I can see Dark Templar, Its when I can't see them that I get angry." - Altar
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 07:09:16
September 29 2010 07:09 GMT
#348
On September 29 2010 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:33 LuckyFool wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.

He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him.


I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder.

Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).


one game doesn't mean anything. I beat a progamer in one game on iccup so by the transitive property I should be playing in proleague.




Think you failed to detect the sarcasm.
Srsly man I should be in proleague.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
September 29 2010 07:13 GMT
#349
I'll reserve judgement for 3 months from now.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 07:18:15
September 29 2010 07:17 GMT
#350
On September 29 2010 15:25 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:23 Saechiis wrote:
I'm confused ...

How does the linked image proof MorroW is playing Zerg?


They looked up his match history... read the thread... MorroW also admits to it... sheesh. You think someone would just speculatively post a topic like this without checking? I mean they had to have access to his match history to even post this SS...


If MorroW has confirmed to be playing Zerg why doesn't the OP just quote it? I don't have time to read entire threads like these so I'm just asking how the linked image proved MorroW was playing Zerg. Correct answer was that it doesn't. WIth the amount of BS threads even on a quality forum like TL I'd rather not take the word of a random person.

Nice that he's playing some Zerg though, I hope he can make it OP
I think esports is pretty nice.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
September 29 2010 07:20 GMT
#351
On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 11:13 pieisamazing wrote:
On September 29 2010 11:10 acceLL wrote:
On September 29 2010 11:01 pieisamazing wrote:
On September 29 2010 11:00 acceLL wrote:
On September 29 2010 10:59 Shikyo wrote:
On September 29 2010 10:55 pieisamazing wrote:
On September 29 2010 06:21 UisTehSux wrote:
Cool. I'm interested to see if, and hope that Morrow will turn out to be a sweet zerg player.

He won't. Once Terran gets nerfed he'll fall off the radar.

You're joking, Morrow's a great player who has good gamesense and can play almost any playstyle(opposite of Idra)



Don't bother, these people will never lose this stupid bias they have.

It's ironic that you hold this view yourself.



How so? I play protoss in SC2.

I play random, so I don't see the bias I supposedly have that you clearly judged because of my icon. morrow wasn't some super great foreigner in brood war. He was above-average, sure, but wasn't in the league of any of the actual big name players.

stuff like this makes me lol. above-avarage? towards the end i had way over 50% win result vs top foreigners. i was for sure in the top3 best terran outside of korea (counting idra as in korea) but since i was a new player and practiced so hard the last 2 iccup seasons where i massgamed vs koreans during this period of time i only got into the tsl where i lost to kolll 1-3, did never get to prove myself in that game but i promise im not lying here :/
i think im gonna be underrated for life, finally doing well with terran and everyone claims it on my race

i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress
wow a morrow reppack would be awesome!!! thanks if you do!
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
September 29 2010 07:23 GMT
#352
On September 29 2010 16:09 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:33 LuckyFool wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.

He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him.


I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder.

Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).


one game doesn't mean anything. I beat a progamer in one game on iccup so by the transitive property I should be playing in proleague.




Think you failed to detect the sarcasm.
Srsly man I should be in proleague.


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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 29 2010 07:26 GMT
#353
Honestly nobody should be able to talk shit about Zerg unless they compete in a legit tournament as them. MorroW, if you do this, I'll respect you. If not, well, I can't blame you as making money off of the easy race is a no-brainer.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
W.O.L.F.Y.
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany98 Posts
September 29 2010 07:34 GMT
#354
I just registered to say: Sir, you are a baller! Dakrforce smurfs terran and dont want to lose points or such but youre just doing it straight away with your own account, dont giving a $%&3..Thumbs up, your sympathy level just raised A LOT.

When you fall, fall forward. At least you'll see what you're falling on.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 07:45:38
September 29 2010 07:44 GMT
#355
On September 29 2010 16:17 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:25 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:23 Saechiis wrote:
I'm confused ...

How does the linked image proof MorroW is playing Zerg?


They looked up his match history... read the thread... MorroW also admits to it... sheesh. You think someone would just speculatively post a topic like this without checking? I mean they had to have access to his match history to even post this SS...


If MorroW has confirmed to be playing Zerg why doesn't the OP just quote it? I don't have time to read entire threads like these so I'm just asking how the linked image proved MorroW was playing Zerg. Correct answer was that it doesn't. WIth the amount of BS threads even on a quality forum like TL I'd rather not take the word of a random person.

Nice that he's playing some Zerg though, I hope he can make it OP


The op is very lazy. It wouldn't surprise me if he started the thread just so people would flame Morrow, otherwise he would have updated the first post with Morrows responses or given more information. Basically he's just trying out zerg for a while. You could always check Morrows post history to see what he has written in this thread.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 07:46:19
September 29 2010 07:45 GMT
#356
On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 11:13 pieisamazing wrote:
On September 29 2010 11:10 acceLL wrote:
On September 29 2010 11:01 pieisamazing wrote:
On September 29 2010 11:00 acceLL wrote:
On September 29 2010 10:59 Shikyo wrote:
On September 29 2010 10:55 pieisamazing wrote:
On September 29 2010 06:21 UisTehSux wrote:
Cool. I'm interested to see if, and hope that Morrow will turn out to be a sweet zerg player.

He won't. Once Terran gets nerfed he'll fall off the radar.

You're joking, Morrow's a great player who has good gamesense and can play almost any playstyle(opposite of Idra)



Don't bother, these people will never lose this stupid bias they have.

It's ironic that you hold this view yourself.



How so? I play protoss in SC2.

I play random, so I don't see the bias I supposedly have that you clearly judged because of my icon. morrow wasn't some super great foreigner in brood war. He was above-average, sure, but wasn't in the league of any of the actual big name players.

stuff like this makes me lol. above-avarage? towards the end i had way over 50% win result vs top foreigners. i was for sure in the top3 best terran outside of korea (counting idra as in korea) but since i was a new player and practiced so hard the last 2 iccup seasons where i massgamed vs koreans during this period of time i only got into the tsl where i lost to kolll 1-3, did never get to prove myself in that game but i promise im not lying here :/
i think im gonna be underrated for life, finally doing well with terran and everyone claims it on my race

i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress


Progress report 4tw. Good luck to ya.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
September 29 2010 07:46 GMT
#357
On September 29 2010 16:26 mierin wrote:
Honestly nobody should be able to talk shit about Zerg unless they compete in a legit tournament as them. MorroW, if you do this, I'll respect you. If not, well, I can't blame you as making money off of the easy race is a no-brainer.


There's one thing I can say about some zerg players without competing in a legit tournament - if they're really as underpowered as they claim, then people who keep playing zerg when money is on the line, because "zerg take more skill" are fucking stupid.

It's like running a marathon barefoot because "that's how the ancient greeks did it". You're going to lose to anyone wearing running shoes.

(this is of course dependent on the assumption that Zerg really is that horribly underpowered, which, if you read carefully, I didn't comment on either way.)

To save the Zerg it needs to stop being the martyr race, with every top level zerg player being a human sacrifice on the altar of True Skill. Zerg needs a better reason to play it than that.
whatsgrackalackin420
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
September 29 2010 07:49 GMT
#358
Just played a game as Terran on my own account (I'm a 1400 Zerg with zero experience with T outside of random team games) and beat a favoured Protoss opponent who probably would have crushed me if I was using my own race.

Obviously it's only 1 game and I'm nowhere near Morrow's level but I thought it was quite funny to be cluelessly stumbling around with a race I don't know how to play and beat someone I'd have struggled against with Zerg.
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
September 29 2010 07:51 GMT
#359
On September 29 2010 16:46 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 16:26 mierin wrote:
Honestly nobody should be able to talk shit about Zerg unless they compete in a legit tournament as them. MorroW, if you do this, I'll respect you. If not, well, I can't blame you as making money off of the easy race is a no-brainer.


There's one thing I can say about some zerg players without competing in a legit tournament - if they're really as underpowered as they claim, then people who keep playing zerg when money is on the line, because "zerg take more skill" are fucking stupid.


Many zerg's are switching races it seems.

Even IdrA talked about changing for GSL2 on SotG the other day
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
September 29 2010 07:53 GMT
#360
On September 29 2010 16:49 cuppatea wrote:
Just played a game as Terran on my own account (I'm a 1400 Zerg with zero experience with T outside of random team games) and beat a favoured Protoss opponent who probably would have crushed me if I was using my own race.

Obviously it's only 1 game and I'm nowhere near Morrow's level but I thought it was quite funny to be cluelessly stumbling around with a race I don't know how to play and beat someone I'd have struggled against with Zerg.


Switch race or don't post.
I think esports is pretty nice.
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