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Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.
Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.
On top of all that, in SC2 he's been successful with Terran from the start of beta through all of retail. Remember Terran hasn't always been this strong.
He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him. 
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Hope you switch morrow for good.. Your mechanics are great and if you do get good with zerg share some insight with those of us that are having trouble.
dont understand why people are calling him brave though. he went from playing terran to zerg... how exactly is that being brave? dont get me wrong, i think its pretty cool of him to try new things... but what? brave?
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On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners. Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him. He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him.
I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder.
Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).
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I'm confused ...
How does the linked image proof MorroW is playing Zerg?
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On September 29 2010 14:45 hdkhang wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 14:30 Eleclight wrote:
Mad props to MorroW for going this far, especially on his main account. Most people seem to ignore the fact that MorroW just jumped into ladder as Zerg without much practice or reading up. His loss streaks mean nothing at this point. Agreed. People on these forums need to turn the hate dials down a notch. MorroW is one of the good guys. He is entitled to his opinions as well as his confidence in his abilities. Even if you don't agree with what he says, there is no need for trash.
No, he really isn't. He's one of the "good guys" who taunt zerg with saying "oh, if I played your race I'd win any tournament". But of course, he can't.
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On September 29 2010 15:23 Saechiis wrote:
I'm confused ...
How does the linked image proof MorroW is playing Zerg?
He's already confirmed it himself anyways.
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On September 29 2010 15:23 Saechiis wrote:
I'm confused ...
How does the linked image proof MorroW is playing Zerg?
They looked up his match history... read the thread... MorroW also admits to it... sheesh. You think someone would just speculatively post a topic like this without checking? I mean they had to have access to his match history to even post this SS...
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On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 11:13 pieisamazing wrote:On September 29 2010 11:10 acceLL wrote:On September 29 2010 11:01 pieisamazing wrote:On September 29 2010 11:00 acceLL wrote:On September 29 2010 10:59 Shikyo wrote:On September 29 2010 10:55 pieisamazing wrote:On September 29 2010 06:21 UisTehSux wrote:
Cool. I'm interested to see if, and hope that Morrow will turn out to be a sweet zerg player. He won't. Once Terran gets nerfed he'll fall off the radar. You're joking, Morrow's a great player who has good gamesense and can play almost any playstyle(opposite of Idra) Don't bother, these people will never lose this stupid bias they have. It's ironic that you hold this view yourself. How so? I play protoss in SC2. I play random, so I don't see the bias I supposedly have that you clearly judged because of my icon. morrow wasn't some super great foreigner in brood war. He was above-average, sure, but wasn't in the league of any of the actual big name players. stuff like this makes me lol. above-avarage? towards the end i had way over 50% win result vs top foreigners. i was for sure in the top3 best terran outside of korea (counting idra as in korea) but since i was a new player and practiced so hard the last 2 iccup seasons where i massgamed vs koreans during this period of time i only got into the tsl where i lost to kolll 1-3, did never get to prove myself in that game but i promise im not lying here :/ i think im gonna be underrated for life, finally doing well with terran and everyone claims it on my race i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress
How much do u wanna bet that morrow has a far higher IQ than u?
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On September 29 2010 15:21 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners. Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him. He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him. I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder. Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).
Of course finishing second in the ladder is much different than finishing second in the TSL, but he did it by such a wide margin and really demonstrated his work ethic by doing so. Anyway the point is his raw talent, which is clearly above and beyond--going from unknown to 2nd in TSL ladder to winningest SC2 tournament player in a little more than a year is sick by any standard.
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Yeah, A level BW Terran is just above average..... rofl
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On September 29 2010 13:44 velocitygirl wrote:Look at the build order in the last game in the list - he got eight pooled and left the game in the first two minutes! That must be annoying.
Did Morrow supply blocked himself on 10/10. Am I missing something here?
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On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote:
i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress
That is seriously badass - tell us about how you are finding Zerg! Do you favour a reactive macro style like Idra, or is there some other style you use?
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Wow lots of people just love bashing this guy huh? A top pro switches races and continues to play against top pros and everyone laughs at him for large loss streaks? Not to mention his earlier post that everyone seems to love to ignore:
On September 29 2010 07:05 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 06:57 JinDesu wrote:
Did you literally have a 4 minute game there? Ouch. i sent my overlord to scout and realized it was not safe timing because a marine would kill it, so i left. many dont know this but my way of practicing is that i tend to leave on minor mistakes, in sc1 i used to type out of a probe harass killed a scv
I give props to any pro, especially if they live off of winning in SC, who switches races. people need to give this guy a break. He never said that his reason for playing zerg was to show that Zerg isnt UP, but somehow all the SC2 balance discussion trolls got attracted to this thread to spread the hate. He even said himself that Zerg mechanics are harder than T or P. Yeesh..
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On September 29 2010 15:27 waxypants wrote:
Yeah, A level BW Terran is just above average..... rofl
It makes me laugh too. I'm not personally a big fan of MorroW (not for any particular reason), but he's obviously a very talented player. It seems to me like Zerg has a steep learning curve. At the ratings he plays at, I wouldn't expect him to win very many games by winging it with a new race. Granted, switching from Zerg to Terran is probably a lot easier (sorry, can't help it).
Cheers and keep it up MorroW
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On September 29 2010 15:28 z00t wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote:
i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress That is seriously badass - tell us about how you are finding Zerg! Do you favour a reactive macro style like Idra, or is there some other style you use?
well my goal right now is just to play like idra/darkforce/dimaga(dimagas macro style). the only way u can manage to win is by playing real, which for the record i did with terran aswell
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Lots of props morrow! Totally respected your play as terran, and totally respecting your switch. One of the few people I watch play to learn how to better my games. Others being Trump and Select lol.
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On September 29 2010 15:21 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners. Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him. He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him. I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder. Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).
one game doesn't mean anything. I beat a progamer in one game on iccup so by the transitive property I should be playing in proleague.
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On September 29 2010 15:03 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 11:13 pieisamazing wrote:On September 29 2010 11:10 acceLL wrote:On September 29 2010 11:01 pieisamazing wrote:On September 29 2010 11:00 acceLL wrote:On September 29 2010 10:59 Shikyo wrote:On September 29 2010 10:55 pieisamazing wrote:On September 29 2010 06:21 UisTehSux wrote:
Cool. I'm interested to see if, and hope that Morrow will turn out to be a sweet zerg player. He won't. Once Terran gets nerfed he'll fall off the radar. You're joking, Morrow's a great player who has good gamesense and can play almost any playstyle(opposite of Idra) Don't bother, these people will never lose this stupid bias they have. It's ironic that you hold this view yourself. How so? I play protoss in SC2. I play random, so I don't see the bias I supposedly have that you clearly judged because of my icon. morrow wasn't some super great foreigner in brood war. He was above-average, sure, but wasn't in the league of any of the actual big name players. stuff like this makes me lol. above-avarage? towards the end i had way over 50% win result vs top foreigners. i was for sure in the top3 best terran outside of korea (counting idra as in korea) but since i was a new player and practiced so hard the last 2 iccup seasons where i massgamed vs koreans during this period of time i only got into the tsl where i lost to kolll 1-3, did never get to prove myself in that game but i promise im not lying here :/ i think im gonna be underrated for life, finally doing well with terran and everyone claims it on my race i learned so much yesterday about zerg and i will keep play them today. i already beat a toss with 800 games on his account after 20 zerg games which makes me very positive i can get back up on the ladder soon. didnt expect a thread to be made at all, or get this many pages but since interest is so high ill be glad to release a rep pack of my progress
The thing is Morrow that your highly publicised win over IdrA in the IEM has really been a curse to you in many ways. Your macro was flawless and your reaper micro was totally awesome in those games and I don't think you're given enough credit for how well you played. Sure, it exposed a weakness in the zerg race, but I for one never thought it made you a lesser player.
I like the fact that you are playing zerg as well. I doubt that you will be as successful with zerg as you are with Terran, but that's to be expected given the current state of the zerg race (though I fully expect that with enough application you could become one of the best zergs out there). At the very least playing zerg will give you an appreciation of the race and more understanding on how to beat it if/when you switch back to Terran.
The funniest thing about this... all of your critics commenting in this thread would probably be slaughtered by your zerg play.
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Idra should play Terran for a bit... see if his win/loss ratio improves
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Some people seem to make pretty stupid statements about his zerg play like lolol he sucks, he was good only when he played terran. Are you freaking serious? Terran is his main race, and he probably have never played zerg before yet you expect him to suddenly start winning at 2k rating? Use your damn brain.
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