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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 29 2010 07:54 GMT
#361
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/732943#blog

Morrow 1#

i think he can afford to offrace a bit
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Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
September 29 2010 07:55 GMT
#362
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 29 2010 07:59 GMT
#363
On September 29 2010 16:23 fAnTaCy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 16:09 LuckyFool wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:42 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:33 LuckyFool wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.

He's earned his keep. Time to stop doubting him.


I'd just like to say there's a MASSIVE difference between finishing second in the TSL and finishing in TSL ladder.

Don't get me wrong, I know he's good, but I still feel like when I watched him he just didn't have that solid feeling other players exuded. I know my friend, who maxed out as a B- protoss, ended up beating him in a game so it might have biased me somewhat in how I judged him though (since I beat my B- friend all the time, I should have technically through the transitive property been able to beat MorroW?!).


one game doesn't mean anything. I beat a progamer in one game on iccup so by the transitive property I should be playing in proleague.




Think you failed to detect the sarcasm.
Srsly man I should be in proleague.


Srsly LuckyFool will be the next Flash..just wait

Nonono, you mean he is the next Flash.

Props to MorroW for trying new stuff. I'd be extremely surprised if he immediately started winning with an off-race that's considered the most mechanically demanding out of the three. A loss streak can be attributed more to the fact that it's his off-race not completely due to balance -.-
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
September 29 2010 08:00 GMT
#364
On September 29 2010 16:53 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 16:49 cuppatea wrote:
Just played a game as Terran on my own account (I'm a 1400 Zerg with zero experience with T outside of random team games) and beat a favoured Protoss opponent who probably would have crushed me if I was using my own race.

Obviously it's only 1 game and I'm nowhere near Morrow's level but I thought it was quite funny to be cluelessly stumbling around with a race I don't know how to play and beat someone I'd have struggled against with Zerg.


Switch race or don't post.


I'm definitely thinking about it (switching races that is...).
john0507
Profile Joined August 2010
164 Posts
September 29 2010 08:05 GMT
#365
It doesn't really matter if u lose some points ON THE LADDER by playing a different race, hell he could be just trying out zerg to search for more weaknesses or something.
And I don't know why some people think it's a big deal losing LADDER points.
Unless he goes into some relatively decent sized tournament when money is on the line and goes with zerg , i really don't think this is anything.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 29 2010 08:08 GMT
#366
On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.


That's not what he said...
JohnGreggor
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada148 Posts
September 29 2010 08:09 GMT
#367
The thing is Morrow that your highly publicised win over IdrA in the IEM has really been a curse to you in many ways. Your macro was flawless and your reaper micro was totally awesome in those games and I don't think you're given enough credit for how well you played.


Actually I found his reaper micro fairly lacking in comparison to Idra and have been a bit on the hate train because of that. This of course means I haven't seen many of his other matches which is probably true for lots of the haters in this thread. But I'm sure many of us enjoy ZvX more than TvX so the haters should die down a bit as they see how he actually plays.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 29 2010 08:09 GMT
#368
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.
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kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
September 29 2010 08:12 GMT
#369
On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.


Even if he did say that, let's analyze what it is and why you're talking out of your ass:

Spending several hours practicing microing a single unit the day before

vs

Spending 12 hours a day practicing his entire race

It's like you're comparing bacon to the Olympics.
whatsgrackalackin420
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 08:17:19
September 29 2010 08:14 GMT
#370
i don't know how any of you fools think morrow sucks because his zerg isn't as good as his terran. he's losing because zerg sucks lolol.

edit: Oh snap!
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
September 29 2010 08:14 GMT
#371
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.


You're gonna win lots of friends with that last comment, I'm sure.

Nothing like carpet bombing your insults, huh?
whatsgrackalackin420
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
September 29 2010 08:17 GMT
#372
On September 29 2010 17:12 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.


Even if he did say that, let's analyze what it is and why you're talking out of your ass:

Spending several hours practicing microing a single unit the day before

vs

Spending 12 hours a day practicing his entire race

It's like you're comparing bacon to the Olympics.


Actually, I believe his actual quote was 2 hours.

Gonna look it up, however.
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
September 29 2010 08:18 GMT
#373
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.

lol YES bring it on. this has to be a grudgematch in the making.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 08:21:14
September 29 2010 08:19 GMT
#374
On September 29 2010 17:17 Seam wrote:
Actually, I believe his actual quote was 2 hours.

Gonna look it up, however.


So what? Practicing micro of a single unit the night before a match doesn't take 12 hours, and equivocating it with Idra's general training regimen is not a reasonable comparison.

EDIT:

Also, ITT, Idra admitting he lost as a ringer in a cripple fight?
whatsgrackalackin420
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
September 29 2010 08:21 GMT
#375
On September 29 2010 17:12 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.


Even if he did say that, let's analyze what it is and why you're talking out of your ass:

Spending several hours practicing microing a single unit the day before

vs

Spending 12 hours a day practicing his entire race

It's like you're comparing bacon to the Olympics.


Oh you think you're so smart doing the backon \ olympics reference just because you listened to State of the game. Guess what it makes you look a complete tool.

The point I was making is that because he practiced a few hours with a unit, he could secure a win at IEM. Which in itself is fucking idiotic. If you listened to the state of the game you might have heard what they talked about last week. That players playing less than so and so many hours a week will never become the best. Its weird that MorroW could practice with a singel unit just before a final and get such a HUGE advantage.
Dead girls don't say no.
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
September 29 2010 08:25 GMT
#376
On September 29 2010 17:19 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 17:17 Seam wrote:
Actually, I believe his actual quote was 2 hours.

Gonna look it up, however.


So what? Practicing micro of a single unit the night before a match doesn't take 12 hours, and equivocating it with Idra's general training regimen is not a reasonable comparison.

EDIT:

Also, ITT, Idra admitting he lost as a ringer in a cripple fight?



12 hours a day of overall practice.

vs

2 hours one time on a unit that then absolutely crippled his opponent.

I wonder which took more work...

(Anyone know where I can find the interviews from IEM? It was after his either IdrA or Dimaga game)
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
September 29 2010 08:30 GMT
#377
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.



almost everyone cheated dodging koreans. anyway, he is one of the best foreigners in SC2 and you can't deny that. he is switching from T to Zerg, you should support him lol
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kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
September 29 2010 08:33 GMT
#378
On September 29 2010 17:21 Sqq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 17:12 kojinshugi wrote:
On September 29 2010 16:55 Sqq wrote:
FAO MorroW. I think one of the reason you're seen as "overrated" because of your race is the comment at IEM. IdrA - spending 12 hours a day practicing his race, and you said "I used a few hours yesterday to practice my reaper micro". It just goes to show how ridiculous Terran was \ is.


Even if he did say that, let's analyze what it is and why you're talking out of your ass:

Spending several hours practicing microing a single unit the day before

vs

Spending 12 hours a day practicing his entire race

It's like you're comparing bacon to the Olympics.


Oh you think you're so smart doing the backon \ olympics reference just because you listened to State of the game. Guess what it makes you look a complete tool.


Yes, a joke made at the end of my post invalidates what I said before it. Can you post a link to your diploma from the Online University of Debating Like an Asshat?

The point I was making is that because he practiced a few hours with a unit, he could secure a win at IEM. Which in itself is fucking idiotic. If you listened to the state of the game you might have heard what they talked about last week. That players playing less than so and so many hours a week will never become the best. Its weird that MorroW could practice with a singel unit just before a final and get such a HUGE advantage.


Yes, because MorroW has never practiced SC2 before in his life. He came in cold and his entire experience was limited to practicing reaper micro for two hours the day before. He, like every player who ever beats Idra, is obviously a worthless scrub who 1a2a3a's his way to an undeserved victory.

(to the Aspie population of TL.net - the above is sarcasm)
whatsgrackalackin420
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 29 2010 08:34 GMT
#379
On September 29 2010 17:30 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2010 17:09 IdrA wrote:
On September 29 2010 15:17 theqat wrote:
Any skeptics of MorroW's skill reading this thread, please take my word for it: outside Korea, he is in the top 5 in terms of pure Starcraft talent, period. If he went to Korea he would be among the most successful foreigners.

Other than Ret, Nony, and Idra, few or no foreigners had as much Brood War success as MorroW on the foreign scene in the past two years. This is the guy who finished second in the TSL2 ladder virtually out of the blue--just behind Idra and 417 points ahead of anyone else--when almost no one knew who he was and even fewer believed in him.



roflwhat
he cheated his way to that ladder score. it was technically within the rules but it was certainly not legit. he was nothing at bw. saying you were the third best sc1 terran outside of korea, which is arguable in itself, is like saying you're the third smartest kid in the special class.



almost everyone cheated dodging koreans. anyway, he is one of the best foreigners in SC2 and you can't deny that. he is switching from T to Zerg, you should support him lol

oh i absolutely support it since it'll prove what a joke the game is right now without risking the reputation of one of the 5 remaining competitive zergs.

but people mentioning him in the same breath as me nony and ret for sc1 cannot happen, especially on the basis of that ladder.
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Bswhunter
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia954 Posts
September 29 2010 08:36 GMT
#380
Know thy enermy. . .
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