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Coeus1
Finland160 Posts
On September 28 2010 19:59 Brutus wrote: Instead of being a smartass, go and look at the test results and you will see this is a huge blow. I think his conclusion is a very sound one. Yes, sorry. It's really bad now, agreed. | ||
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
On September 28 2010 19:57 dcemuser wrote: I guess you didn't see Cool's game, heh - Ultras were extremely good versus mass Thor. I think you forgot to read the rest of my post, thors not being flanked already seemed to chop into ultras cost effetively, especially with a little micro | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 28 2010 19:58 dcemuser wrote: No, I mean if you had, for example 3 Ultras attacking a Terran army with like 3 Tanks, 10 marines, and 1 Thor, then you could have the Ultras target the Thor and it would hit -everything- in the Terran's army. If you targeted the Marines, you would hit barely anything. Yes, that part is true, but that part is also because hitting the Thor would do the 35 damage instead of 15. That makes a huge difference compared to hitting the marines for 15. Attacking the tanks has almost the same effect. Regardless - I guess they made the ultra splash like Cleave in Warcraft 3. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:01 Toxiferous wrote: I think you forgot to read the rest of my post, thors not being flanked already seemed to chop into ultras cost effetively, especially with a little micro In an extremely small choke, with very good unit spread (and I mean VERY good, the splash was huge), Thors would win. In a head-on battle, Thors loss. Flanked? Thors lose. All of those situations now say "Thors win". | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:01 Toxiferous wrote: I think you forgot to read the rest of my post, thors not being flanked already seemed to chop into ultras cost effetively, especially with a little micro Plus, in the most deciding battle lots of TOPs Thors attacked zerglings as he had close to zero hellions. This change seems ridiculous, can't wait to see it in live action or when i play myself...  | ||
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safjx
United Kingdom51 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
Simple Thor > Ultra or Ultra > Thor is stpid imo. It requires no skill to micro and it isnt even cool to watch. And dont have an answer to what Z can do other than mass ultra but making Ultras so strong that they simply kill everything without being hurt is not a viable solution for a competitive game. | ||
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Arakash
Germany124 Posts
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Euriti
Denmark72 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:07 Sewi wrote: for me personally SC1 and now SC2 have never been games were players at pro-level should be supposed to build one type of units agains one other type of units. Simple Thor > Ultra or Ultra > Thor is stpid imo. It requires no skill to micro and it isnt even cool to watch. And dont have an answer to what Z can do other than mass ultra but making Ultras so strong that they simply kill everything without being hurt is not a viable solution for a competitive game. Which makes it perfectly fine for thors to counter both mutalisks (Yes they counter them cost for cost even with magic box, saying otherwise is downright stupid) and Ultras at the same time (Although not hard counters but you get the point) | ||
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GIGAR
Denmark88 Posts
I'm starting to wonder if Blizzard really WANTS people to play Zerg... I mean, it's not very beginner friendly, there's practically no Zerg instructions, and the Zerg challenges (especially the Infestation) was of limited use ingame. :/ | ||
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Firesemi
Australia87 Posts
As a zerg its about unit combination. If your just attacking with ultras as a damaging unit and focusing on how bad it does on its own isnt this out of context? Im not sure but what would be better? 2 ultras attacking into a group or 1 ultra + 300/200 worth of banelings attacking into a group? I'm a bit unsure if i should post this as people could technically pick me apart but im just saying i dont think ultras are broken they just arnt a build a heap and a move win anymore. They may be turning into a defensive unit rather then an offensive unit for example? | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
I thought it was just a bugfix, but that is HUGE. wow, hum so what do we do against massive Thorarmys now? MoreUltralisks? Broodlords against Vikings? hum, end the game with banging our heads against the wallin?  Dunno, so next patch before 2011 -.-* | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:12 KristianJS wrote: It sucks that Blizzard keeps responding to stuff by nerfing shit. They'd be better off making other units better sometimes instead T_T Oh they're doing that too. Buffing terrans and nerfing zergs. Best of both worlds .There is not much left for zerg to nerf. | ||
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Brutus
Netherlands284 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:10 Firesemi wrote: So i'm a zerg player and while this annoys me a bit people seem to take things out of context. As a zerg its about unit combination. If your just attacking with ultras as a damaging unit and focusing on how bad it does on its own isnt this out of context? Im not sure but what would be better? 2 ultras attacking into a group or 1 ultra + 300/200 worth of banelings attacking into a group? I'm a bit unsure if i should post this as people could technically pick me apart but im just saying i dont think ultras are broken they just arnt a build a heap and a move win anymore. They may be turning into a defensive unit rather then an offensive unit for example? Against Thors/Armored? Ultras all the way. Problem ist that Zerg lacks a counter to Metal, Ultralisk was that Counter, Ultralisk is now weaker. Zergling don't work because a few Igniter-Hellions completly nullify them. If Roaches or Hydras would work this wouldn't be that troublesome, but they don't.... | ||
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
If the zerg players feel they need bugged units to win games then this is indeed depressing. | ||
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Theston
Germany15 Posts
On September 28 2010 20:17 kasumimi wrote: I'm pretty sure this is how ultras were before the patch? No, it's not. People really should've realized this by now. | ||
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