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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:52 Octo_cembeR wrote: Anyone think Blizz will nerf zerg if Cool wins GSL1? I think its quite possible lol No; they have specifically said that they don't balance based on tournament results | ||
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Octo_cembeR
United States6 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:54 theqat wrote: No; they have specifically said that they don't balance based on tournament results Do you sincerely believe this? | ||
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xxborgxx
15 Posts
On September 24 2010 03:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Yep, but I think hes actually improved creep spreading a lot lately. yeah, he sure has  | ||
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Chronicle
161 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:54 theqat wrote: No; they have specifically said that they don't balance based on tournament results Exaclty. Blizzard don't balance based on tournament results, they balance based on the tears of Terrans. Terran scrub : Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh Blizzard: Shh shhh shhhh... Don't cry, whats wrong. Terran scrub : That protoss is a bully, he feedbacked my PDD... *sniff* Now the stalkers shoot the vikings *sniff*. Blizzard : Ok we'll make it so it no longer works on them. But its our little secret k? Terran scrub : Thanks mommy! The Terran scrub lived happily ever and Blizzard ate their own shoes. | ||
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DarkspearTribe
568 Posts
Seeing as there isn't any zergs winning tournaments and I doubt blizzards goal is to piss off everyone with balance Yes. | ||
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
On September 24 2010 21:45 Grond wrote: A Thor army is the single hardest thing to stop for a Zerg player, Thor was his absolutely best bet if he decided to go for a no aggression macro build. Also, his macro wasn't in top form. He had a 3 bases, one of them gold. If he is making a Thor army, that usually leaves 1k~2k free minerals, which he could have invested in early Turrets (turrets block every possible Zerg harassment), and more expansions, locking the drops down, and forcing the Zerg to have his population stuck at 180 with nothing but Roaches. Also, he could have supported 4+ Factories, he only had 3 the entire time. + Show Spoiler + The buildings rarely factored into it. It was mainly Thor vs Ultra and Ultras were significantly better vs Thors before the patch. Poor decision making to go mass Thor, almost any other composition would have won game 3. P.S. It's not a bug. | ||
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shynee
Canada180 Posts
On September 25 2010 16:45 Touch wrote: A Thor army is the single hardest thing to stop for a Zerg player, Thor was his absolutely best bet if he decided to go for a no aggression macro build. Also, his macro wasn't in top form. He had a 3 bases, one of them gold. If he is making a Thor army, that usually leaves 1k~2k free minerals, which he could have invested in early Turrets (turrets block every possible Zerg harassment), and more expansions, locking the drops down, and forcing the Zerg to have his population stuck at 180 with nothing but Roaches. Also, he could have supported 4+ Factories, he only had 3 the entire time. No way.. ultras and lings destroy thors. Mass thors isn't viable at all in late game when your opponent has the entire map with ultras. How are you going to attack all the expansions without getting flanked. It's impossible. End of discussion. | ||
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Blind
United States2529 Posts
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Sensator
Australia377 Posts
On September 25 2010 16:56 shynee wrote: No way.. ultras and lings destroy thors. Mass thors isn't viable at all in late game when your opponent has the entire map with ultras. How are you going to attack all the expansions without getting flanked. It's impossible. End of discussion. All you have to do is turtle with your Thors, back them in a corner with like 20 scv's blocking the Lings/ultras and watch your thors wreck the Zerg army. Also who needs to push out, just stay in bottleneck positions so the Zerg can never get to you and get like 3 medivacs to set up Thor drops to snipe Queens/Hatcheries. | ||
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
On September 25 2010 15:39 Chronicle wrote: Exaclty. Blizzard don't balance based on tournament results, they balance based on the tears of Terrans. Terran scrub : Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh Blizzard: Shh shhh shhhh... Don't cry, whats wrong. Terran scrub : That protoss is a bully, he feedbacked my PDD... *sniff* Now the stalkers shoot the vikings *sniff*. Blizzard : Ok we'll make it so it no longer works on them. But its our little secret k? Terran scrub : Thanks mommy! The Terran scrub lived happily ever and Blizzard ate their own shoes. hehe | ||
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Sairon
47 Posts
On September 25 2010 16:56 shynee wrote: No way.. ultras and lings destroy thors. Mass thors isn't viable at all in late game when your opponent has the entire map with ultras. How are you going to attack all the expansions without getting flanked. It's impossible. End of discussion. You're wrong, there's not enough surface area for lings + ultras to be effective vs a thor ball. Lings overall is a really shitty unit vs thors, and ultras which compete for surface area die to target fire. Does that make it double end of discussion? | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 25 2010 15:39 Chronicle wrote: Exaclty. Blizzard don't balance based on tournament results, they balance based on the tears of Terrans. Terran scrub : Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh Blizzard: Shh shhh shhhh... Don't cry, whats wrong. Terran scrub : That protoss is a bully, he feedbacked my PDD... *sniff* Now the stalkers shoot the vikings *sniff*. Blizzard : Ok we'll make it so it no longer works on them. But its our little secret k? Terran scrub : Thanks mommy! The Terran scrub lived happily ever and Blizzard ate their own shoes. I'm not a P player, but does feedback really not work on PDD? That's so incredibly lame. | ||
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kasuya
Spain95 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
No; they have specifically said that they don't balance based on tournament results Well they dont balancing with ladder either cause any1 bother to check ladder world rankings lately ? 1 zerg in the top 20 6 zerg in the top 50 I guess tournaments results , underperfoming ladder , pros talking how hard it is but its fine for blizzard | ||
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
On September 25 2010 07:22 WoKKeLs wrote: I would cry so hard, just because it will eliminate alot the buff talk Z has done over the last month(s) certainly had a second heartbeat during cool's games today just for the sake of Zerg I would cry too, but wouldn't it be so fucking funny haha | ||
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Hertz
United States26 Posts
I know this | ||
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Octo_cembeR
United States6 Posts
Seems to me that to allow zero influence to balance based on tournament results is awkward. If I was a developer, I would be paying close attention to the pro scene, especially the GSL tournaments. I'd be taking notes in fact. | ||
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GIGAR
Denmark88 Posts
On September 26 2010 01:36 Octo_cembeR wrote: Seems to me that to allow zero influence to balance based on tournament results is awkward. If I was a developer, I would be paying close attention to the pro scene, especially the GSL tournaments. I'd be taking notes in fact. Notes: 1) The forums are flooded with Zerg QQ. Remember to hire more mods for the release on HotS. 2) Seems like people have no idea how to utilize Zerg's complicated playstyle. Make Hatcheries normal production buildings (like CC's or Rax), but given the ability to build all units? 3) Zerg macro seems to be pretty hard. Automining feature for drones removed - You now have to manually mine with your drones. That'll work! 4) Seems like we actually forgot to make any kind of real explanation of the Zerg race in the Challenges. REMEMBER to make ONLY Terran and Protoss challenges in HotS - the 75% of missions playing as infected Protoss/Terran doesn't make you know those races enough. 5) Banelings are, "cute"? Begin production of 50,000 Baneling plushies. Immediately. 6) The Swarm? Lower Zerglings HP to 10. They now deal 2 damage, and 4 are spawned from each Larvae. Seems like a great solution to bringing back the "swarm" in "The Swarm"!  | ||
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bendez
Canada283 Posts
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote: who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living This pretty much sums it up... they're more interested in facebook integration, battle.net 2.0 "new" feature, etc than game balance at top lvl.. | ||
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kiykiy
233 Posts
On September 25 2010 07:49 RxN wrote: So 1 zerg tourney wins automatically negates all the other tourney wins by terran. Makes sense. IT would actually mean that it is possible for zergs to win and that their strategies are developing. Isn't it the same for sc1 when terrans simply weren't winning pre-boxer? I really feel that blizzard shouldn't jump the gun with patching races unless they are really broken like the original 5pool. | ||
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