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lololol
5198 Posts
On September 24 2010 22:31 Nyx wrote: + Show Spoiler + I completely disagree, he played a very safe game and it absolutely paid off for him. How is doom dropping every few minutes doing nothing? Top is the terran player, I'm talking about him and not the zerg. | ||
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csfield
United States206 Posts
Shang was actually better than Assyrian or Yamato, but those 3 races were the only ones that were even playable. | ||
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JayDee_
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
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snakeyes
25 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:32 JayDee_ wrote: The reason there are only 2 zergs left in the GSL is that only 4 top tier zergs qualified. idra and thewind lost to toss, not terran. IMO, idras lose to lotze showed us that he didn't have what it takes to win. It had very little to do with imbalance. Watch lotzes last game. Mistakes all over the place. If idra can't beat him then he doesn't deserve to win the tourney. Idra did not lose because he did not have what it takes to win. He lost because he researched his opponent's build orders and relied on that information rather then scouting. Normally Idra knows what is going on in the map. Game 2 Idra thought he knew the build that was coming and built no AA and lost to voidrays. But in game 3 he just did not know what was really going on. There was an expansion right next to one of his expansions and he had no idea. Even though there is alot of talk about Terran being overpowering to Zerg, the PVZ matchup is also not balanced. It is not as bad as ZVT, but it is still not fully balanced. And to say that only 4 of the top Zerg players qualified says something in and of itself. Even though I think that statement is probably not right. If only 4 of the top Zerg players qualified, what happened to the others that did not qualify? Either players are staying away from Zerg or Zerg are simply not advancing to further rounds. Both of those senarios are very huge problems. | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
( i mean over reacting because they can beat top terran players however they have 10% win ratio? what? ?) | ||
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:23 Endorsed wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard when a Zerg wins GSL. Cool was 1 push away from being knocked out of it today I hope to see a Zerg win too, but I wouldn't bet 5$ on it. | ||
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Crushgroove
United States793 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:24 Fa1nT wrote: Cool was 1 push away from being knocked out of it today I hope to see a Zerg win too, but I wouldn't bet 5$ on it. This. Also, If the Ultra splash bug weren't bugged, then cool would have lost. He wouldn't have taken the PF, and repairing thors would have won top the game. Cool won because of a bug. =/ I hope the bug stays till finals though... for the swarm etc. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:31 Crushgroove wrote: This. Also, If the Ultra splash bug weren't bugged, then cool would have lost. He wouldn't have taken the PF, and repairing thors would have won top the game. Cool won because of a bug. =/ I hope the bug stays till finals though... for the swarm etc. Splash on SCVs repairing Thors is intended, and for that matter so is splash on SCVs repairing a PF. It's just exponentially larger than it should be when it comes to buildings | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:31 Crushgroove wrote: This. Also, If the Ultra splash bug weren't bugged, then cool would have lost. He wouldn't have taken the PF, and repairing thors would have won top the game. Cool won because of a bug. =/ I hope the bug stays till finals though... for the swarm etc. He would've won even more decisively in the old patch, since ultras dealt 5 more damage to armored and the splash against thors hasn't changed. There were no game deciding battles involving a PF and pre-patch ultras were still decent against repaired PFs. | ||
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Squirrel
United States1102 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:31 Crushgroove wrote: This. Also, If the Ultra splash bug weren't bugged, then cool would have lost. He wouldn't have taken the PF, and repairing thors would have won top the game. Cool won because of a bug. =/ I hope the bug stays till finals though... for the swarm etc. My god why don't people understand what the bug is? The bug is when you attack a CC or Nexus the splash becomes huge. That's it. When the Ultra attacks a Thor is acts the same as it did BEFORE 1.1. It would ALWAYS kill the SCVs repairing the Thor. I made this the other day, this is what happends. XOOU Say X = Ultra, O = Thor, and U = SCV. The SCV here would get hit still. This is how it worked before 1.1.(And I found it out using the map 'Hardcounter'.) | ||
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:02 snakeyes wrote: Idra did not lose because he did not have what it takes to win. He lost because he researched his opponent's build orders and relied on that information rather then scouting. Normally Idra knows what is going on in the map. Game 2 Idra thought he knew the build that was coming and built no AA and lost to voidrays. But in game 3 he just did not know what was really going on. There was an expansion right next to one of his expansions and he had no idea. Even though there is alot of talk about Terran being overpowering to Zerg, the PVZ matchup is also not balanced. It is not as bad as ZVT, but it is still not fully balanced. And to say that only 4 of the top Zerg players qualified says something in and of itself. Even though I think that statement is probably not right. If only 4 of the top Zerg players qualified, what happened to the others that did not qualify? Either players are staying away from Zerg or Zerg are simply not advancing to further rounds. Both of those senarios are very huge problems. Koreans consider PvZ more imbalanced than ZvT. I remember seeing some stat posted on win ratios in korean ladder where ZvT was like 45%, TvP was like 45%, and ZvP was like 35%. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:31 Crushgroove wrote: This. Also, If the Ultra splash bug weren't bugged, then cool would have lost. He wouldn't have taken the PF, and repairing thors would have won top the game. Cool won because of a bug. =/ I hope the bug stays till finals though... for the swarm etc. How splash works afaik is that you take the unit being hit, make a circle around it with the same size of said unit and that's the splash radius. The bug probably works on barracks and factories and hatcheries and every building in the game as well not only planetary fortresses because it splashes the size of the building all around it. The splash on thors or any other units was NOT changed in any way | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
What we need is new maps because in the current map pool, many maps are very imbalanced. And because zerg still lacks of exploring other things, and wont be able to explore until we get better maps | ||
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Graven
United States314 Posts
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funkybovinator
United States23 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:16 funkybovinator wrote: Why don't pro teams do their own balance change testing and research with custom versions of ladder maps or something? I know they don't have a lot of extra time with practice, but idk maybe they could take community donations for it. I'm sure plenty of people would donate for balance testing. And the pros want a balanced game anyway since their livelihood depends on it. If people could prove that certain changes balance/unbalance the game, Blizzard would have a pretty easy time patching I would think. It'd be harder with the monthly GSL matches. They would need to find people who aren't a) competing in the GSL every month, and b) aren't practicing with the people who are playing in the GSL every month. | ||
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
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