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Alexstrasas
Profile Joined August 2010
302 Posts
September 26 2010 00:35 GMT
#1421
On September 26 2010 09:32 Supamang wrote:
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On September 26 2010 08:24 Keula wrote:
sad to lose to another good zerg

A good reason why this thread should be closed. He already said that he decided to continue playing zerg


wich was pretty obvious tbh, dimaga 2.0.

Also what good zerg was previously lost?
Playguuu
Profile Joined April 2010
United States926 Posts
September 26 2010 01:49 GMT
#1422
The problem is the game is still "balanced" as if the roaches were 1 supply and had 2 armor. They've done literally nothing in terms of balancing the marauder, except making it better in terms of cutting the cost of the upgrades. I could go on about numerous things that that need tweaking, but that's not the point of this. It's just sad to lose another top zerg. Maybe blizzard will get the message and implement a substantive patch, but from the timing and content of the 1.1, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I used to be just like you, then I took a sweetroll to the knee.
arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
September 26 2010 02:09 GMT
#1423
no top level zerg hasnt considered changing race atleast once..its extremly frustrating to play Z atm.. just weak in every department.
"I like turtles"
Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
September 26 2010 02:15 GMT
#1424
On September 26 2010 06:12 Easy772 wrote:
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On September 26 2010 05:49 Grond wrote:
I'd be willing to bet some cash that Cool leaves Zerg within 3 months. When he sees how much money being Zerg is costing him he will jump ship.

Blizzard shouldn't be bullied into making huge changes by Gamers threatening to switch races, no matter how good they are. If Cool switches i bet he regrets it when Zerg is the FOTM for most OP race in the future.. Which has been predicted by many pro gamers like Day[9] and Artosis..


You seem to be missing the obvious. If the best players in the game feel they would be better off with a new race rather than the one they have played and practiced with, that is very strong evidence something is seriously wrong.
dbddbddb
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore969 Posts
September 26 2010 02:19 GMT
#1425
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.
damon2400
Profile Joined April 2009
United States172 Posts
September 26 2010 02:22 GMT
#1426
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.


As a mid level zerg I seriously wouldn't mind if the whole race got reworked in some way. The race just doesn't play like it did in starcraft 1.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 26 2010 03:26 GMT
#1427
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.


If Blizzard actually cares about SC2 as an e-sport, those .5% of the players are the ones they need to prioritize....
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Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
September 26 2010 03:34 GMT
#1428
i think its more rage inducing, like dimaga, to switch race theyll need to put in 100 games or more just to get competitive with them IMO, I hope hes just venting
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abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
September 26 2010 04:25 GMT
#1429
I am a very low level player but as a regular watcher of streams, gsl, day9's show I am an internet expert on SC2*

I have to agree with idra on the Zerg imbalance in general, what I notice most is basically that they have very few options, they have to be on the backfoot against any genuinely good players and the opening variety is _extremely_ limited. They can't do any cute and interesting things - it has to be 'by the book' -if they are lucky to progress, then and only then can they spice things up.
I'm a P player and a scrub but that's just the impression I get from watching games. I genuinely feel sorry for Zerg players.
Didn't someone do a count once or twice on here and tally up that Zerg has significantly less units and options than T and P anyhow?

* this part was sarcasm, hopefully you get it
derpmods
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
September 26 2010 04:34 GMT
#1430
On September 26 2010 11:22 damon2400 wrote:
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On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.


As a mid level zerg I seriously wouldn't mind if the whole race got reworked in some way. The race just doesn't play like it did in starcraft 1.

As a mid-level Terran that played Z in BW, I feel the same..... I've tried them out, and I don't feel that same "swarm" that I was able to command in BW.
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Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
September 26 2010 04:51 GMT
#1431
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.

Really?

You think that the race that requires perfect scouting, and nearly precogniscient reaction time isn't a problem? It's not a problem that one race can instantly lose to any number of ridiculous cheeses from either of the other races- to which the only counter is often pure guesswork?

Raw ignorance. If you think it is this bad for pro players right now, how awful do you think it is for Bronze, Silver, Gold players to play Zerg? They either don't know how or lack the ability to make the absolutely perfect moves required of them simply to stay in the game against an even lower skilled T or P, who can just build any number of any unit, attack move, and win.

When every player of a race is repeatedly punished simply for picking the wrong faction, and when he instantly loses games for not having perfect timing, perfect scouting, and perfect decision making, even when outplaying an inferior opponent, there is a problem. A problem that affects far more than the tiny number you'd like to believe.

It is extremely frustrating to play Z right now because you are always forced to play the game that the Terran or Protoss player wants you to play. Even if you play their game, and you play it better, you're still extremely liable to lose to one void ray, one dropship, or one Thor. Zerg needs options. I really hope they get them soon.
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WildFrost
Profile Joined August 2010
United States11 Posts
September 26 2010 04:57 GMT
#1432
Bah, this is proof right here that zerg in and of itself is not a solid race right now. With the amount of hours Idra puts in and he is not sheerly dominating everyone. On top of that now Fruitseller is complaining about Zerg.

Something is definitely wrong with the race itself. At the very least in ZvT.
Nobody can stop me from becoming the best. The only way I will fail is if I allow myself to fail.
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
September 26 2010 06:31 GMT
#1433
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.

Yeah, and on top of that, there are so few Zerg up there... Because it's unbearable to play in it's current form. See the problem now?
abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
September 26 2010 06:47 GMT
#1434
On September 25 2010 01:19 LittleeD wrote:
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On September 24 2010 02:46 Abdiel wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:42 fnaticAugury wrote:
People also need to relax, this same thing happened in Wc3.


Oh my god if this game becomes another warcraft 3 I don't know what I'll do...


I propose enjoy. WC3 was and of course still is an absolutely awesome game.



I adore War3 but I'd speculate you're not an Undead player.
derpmods
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
September 26 2010 06:50 GMT
#1435
On September 26 2010 15:47 abrasion wrote:
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On September 25 2010 01:19 LittleeD wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:46 Abdiel wrote:
On September 24 2010 02:42 fnaticAugury wrote:
People also need to relax, this same thing happened in Wc3.


Oh my god if this game becomes another warcraft 3 I don't know what I'll do...


I propose enjoy. WC3 was and of course still is an absolutely awesome game.



I adore War3 but I'd speculate you're not an Undead player.

And I suspect your nowhere close to be top player to blame balance for sucking at WC3
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
September 26 2010 06:52 GMT
#1436
On September 26 2010 13:51 Odds wrote:
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On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.

Raw ignorance. If you think it is this bad for pro players right now, how awful do you think it is for Bronze, Silver, Gold players to play Zerg? They either don't know how or lack the ability to make the absolutely perfect moves required of them simply to stay in the game against an even lower skilled T or P, who can just build any number of any unit, attack move, and win.

Take it from a Gold level Zerg, it's fucking awful trying to play. I'm determined to stick with it, but it is so frustrating that I can keep up a near constant harass, out expand a Terran 3 bases to 1, and his ball of stimmed marauders with 2 siege tanks can still just waltz in and destroy everything I have.

Now obviously I still have a lot of learning to do and tons of room to improve, but the frustration and problems affect every level of play, not just these top level pros. I still refuse to switch races though, because wins as Zerg feel so much more satisfying.
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
September 26 2010 07:12 GMT
#1437
On September 26 2010 15:52 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2010 13:51 Odds wrote:
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.

Raw ignorance. If you think it is this bad for pro players right now, how awful do you think it is for Bronze, Silver, Gold players to play Zerg? They either don't know how or lack the ability to make the absolutely perfect moves required of them simply to stay in the game against an even lower skilled T or P, who can just build any number of any unit, attack move, and win.

Take it from a Gold level Zerg, it's fucking awful trying to play. I'm determined to stick with it, but it is so frustrating that I can keep up a near constant harass, out expand a Terran 3 bases to 1, and his ball of stimmed marauders with 2 siege tanks can still just waltz in and destroy everything I have.

Now obviously I still have a lot of learning to do and tons of room to improve, but the frustration and problems affect every level of play, not just these top level pros. I still refuse to switch races though, because wins as Zerg feel so much more satisfying.



oh yea when you die learning zerg you will mostly die from over droning
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Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-26 07:16:30
September 26 2010 07:15 GMT
#1438
On September 26 2010 15:52 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2010 13:51 Odds wrote:
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.

Raw ignorance. If you think it is this bad for pro players right now, how awful do you think it is for Bronze, Silver, Gold players to play Zerg? They either don't know how or lack the ability to make the absolutely perfect moves required of them simply to stay in the game against an even lower skilled T or P, who can just build any number of any unit, attack move, and win.

Take it from a Gold level Zerg, it's fucking awful trying to play. I'm determined to stick with it, but it is so frustrating that I can keep up a near constant harass, out expand a Terran 3 bases to 1, and his ball of stimmed marauders with 2 siege tanks can still just waltz in and destroy everything I have.

Now obviously I still have a lot of learning to do and tons of room to improve, but the frustration and problems affect every level of play, not just these top level pros. I still refuse to switch races though, because wins as Zerg feel so much more satisfying.

See this is why I hate not-top level players like >1300 diamonds (which includes myself) talknig about balance.

Idra CLEARLY states why Terran is over powered. And its not because T can Aclick with a bio ball.

LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
September 26 2010 07:31 GMT
#1439
Nothing that cool does matters unless he puts some major W's in his repitwa. Im talkin about wins people!
Live and Let Live
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
September 26 2010 07:57 GMT
#1440
On September 26 2010 16:15 Vz0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2010 15:52 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
On September 26 2010 13:51 Odds wrote:
On September 26 2010 11:19 dbddbddb wrote:
it's hard to make changes to zerg when it really only affects the top 0.5% of players.

Raw ignorance. If you think it is this bad for pro players right now, how awful do you think it is for Bronze, Silver, Gold players to play Zerg? They either don't know how or lack the ability to make the absolutely perfect moves required of them simply to stay in the game against an even lower skilled T or P, who can just build any number of any unit, attack move, and win.

Take it from a Gold level Zerg, it's fucking awful trying to play. I'm determined to stick with it, but it is so frustrating that I can keep up a near constant harass, out expand a Terran 3 bases to 1, and his ball of stimmed marauders with 2 siege tanks can still just waltz in and destroy everything I have.

Now obviously I still have a lot of learning to do and tons of room to improve, but the frustration and problems affect every level of play, not just these top level pros. I still refuse to switch races though, because wins as Zerg feel so much more satisfying.

See this is why I hate not-top level players like >1300 diamonds (which includes myself) talknig about balance.

Idra CLEARLY states why Terran is over powered. And its not because T can Aclick with a bio ball.



This frustrates me aswell. -.- You can counter those stimmed marauder spretty easily.
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