Tournament winners since release - Page 18

On September 14 2010 12:22 SichuanPanda wrote:


Well I'd say its safe to assume many of the T players in that list would not be T provided it wasn't the strongest the of the three races.

On September 14 2010 12:25 TitleRug wrote:
Why bother with these statistics when a patch is coming out this month?
This won't matter a few days from now.

On September 14 2010 12:32 Icx wrote:


Because the patch won't really change anything for zerg in the MU they struggle most. (imo)

The reaper build-time okay, but it was never really about the speed that reapers came into play, if I was doing this for ZvT I would have lengthened the time for the reaper speed, since that does matter to zerg.

The siege tank nerf? the moment tanks have +1 they will still/always oneshot blings/lings like they used to do.
It only makes a difference for hydra's, but there are other reasons why this unit doesn't get used a lot (blueflame hellions/thors/creep/movement speed).

And then a slight nerf to ultra dmg.

I don't see in what way it is really gonna improve this mu, except for maybe very early tank/marine pushes becoming less common or delayed (to get +1).

I mean, I can get that the changes are bigger for ZvP, depending on how 2 gate timings will work out and the zealot change buildtime, but I just dont' see how this patch will actually change things in ZvT.

On September 14 2010 12:35 Sfydjklm wrote:
i can only hope the patch is delayed because they are implementing more changed that they originally disclosed.
Otherwise it will be protoss time for me i think.
I cant wait another 6 months for a proper zerg buff/terran nerf.

On September 14 2010 12:39 Bull-Demon wrote:
They gave a list of the changes but it isn't necessarily everything they were planning to change. In fact I'm quite positive they said there are other changes in store (probably very minor however) that could help zerg out.

I think it lies in the zerg early game. Terran gets away with a lot of shit since you can't punish with ling/roaches through their wall. Not without going allin anyways.

On September 14 2010 12:09 SichuanPanda wrote:

Stop holding the game back people, please.

On September 14 2010 12:48 CScythe wrote:

Terran players are more than happy to hold back the game if it means they win more. Especially punks like Morrow, because he wins cash from it :D

On September 14 2010 10:22 MorroW wrote:

ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance

we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance

i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...

I do not just play Starcraft 2 for fun, it is my JOB. The image and the popularity of the team depend on my results, and so I must do whatever is necessary to make my team the best. Unfortunately, in the present balance situation regarding Zerg, I cannot achieve good results for my team. Blizzard's inaction only further fuels the fire.

Because of these reasons, unless there is at least an announcement of the new patch after GOM TV Global Starcraft II League and IEM Global Challenge Gamescom, I am going to switch from my precious Zerg to the more successful Terran.

On September 14 2010 11:23 Gomas wrote:
I have to agree with Morrow. Name me some zergs which are on same level as Dimaga or Idra IN ZVZ (!). None? Great.

Now remember all these TvTs u watched in go4scs and ZOTACs? Yeah the ones u all complain about. Tarson winning with Cloud. Morrow losing to Demuslim. Strelok winning with SjoW. I could go on. There is at least 30 names which can easily compete with eachother, when it comes to T.

All that shows, is that there is more good T players atm.

Tbh, i have not yet seen a single zerg apart from Idra (not even dimaga), with macro so perfect like morrows. There is tons of queing going on. Mineral floats etc, all the time. While the Ts (especially morrow) have perfect thought-out builds with 0 quening going on, perfect expansion and depot timings etc.

I have yet to see a zerg buildorder as refined as morrows 5 rax reaper or his TvP 2rax FE. For me, this is the main reason the zerg lose, not imbalance.

On September 14 2010 03:56 Backpack wrote:
So tournament win statistics after 1.5 months is how we are going to determine balance?

*sigh*

On September 14 2010 11:23 Gomas wrote:
I have yet to see a zerg buildorder as refined as morrows 5 rax reaper or his TvP 2rax FE. For me, this is the main reason the zerg lose, not imbalance.

On September 14 2010 10:22 MorroW wrote:

ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance

we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance

i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...