On September 06 2010 07:21 Ry-Masta-T wrote:
I feel like if the d9d of this had come out before stalife posted it (I realize this seems unlikely as day9 probably found the replay in this thread), everyone would happily be calling it 'stalife drops' and praising its brilliance.

Probably true, but that only goes to show how much people will hang on Day's every word. He's a persuasive guy in the community.

That doesn't change the fact that this is just medivac+marauder micro. There's no new "trick" here.

aurum510

United States229 Posts

September 05 2010 22:41 GMT

#123

On September 06 2010 05:02 threehundred wrote:
i have an idea. ima build a quick 3rd cc orbital after my fast expo and save up energy. during engagements ima calldown a bunch of mules on banelings and hope they engage.

i shall call it kimtaeyeon'ing.

I need to watch out for this kimtaeyeon strategy in my future games. My baneling micro will need to be top notch.

Vei

United States2845 Posts

September 05 2010 22:42 GMT

#124

On September 05 2010 21:05 101TFP wrote:
Watch the Artosis vs Morrow replays from the IEM Tournament.

At one point Artosis' banelings and zerglings chase some dropships which are full of marines and marauders.
Morrow then just drops a few marauders, causing all the banelings to explode on them, thus eliminating the baneling threat.

Basically the same, doesn't need your name imo...

morrow drop micro ;D

oh god day9 is dailying this? well congrats stalife i guess you'll get your trick named after you now ;]

Smurfz

United States327 Posts

September 05 2010 23:09 GMT

#125

Cool trick. Worked really well in the first replay.

Thankfully I already got in the habit of never A+moving my banelings.

avilo

United States4100 Posts

September 05 2010 23:33 GMT

#126

why don't you just have the marauders in front of the marines in the first place? what's the advantage of having them in medivacs and doing the effort of dropping in front of ur marines when they...could have already been standing there. just wondering.

Creek

United States177 Posts

September 05 2010 23:39 GMT

#127

On September 06 2010 08:33 avilo wrote:
why don't you just have the marauders in front of the marines in the first place? what's the advantage of having them in medivacs and doing the effort of dropping in front of ur marines when they...could have already been standing there. just wondering.

Because Zerglings will be in front of the banelings, because they are faster.
This way, the zerglings are attacking the marines (marines >> zerglings)
and banelings are attacking the marauder. (marauder >> baneling).

If marauders were in front it'd be (Zergling >> marauder) and THEN the banelings came into play, after marauders were killed or mostly gone.

Neshapotamus

United States163 Posts

September 05 2010 23:42 GMT

#128

This trick sounds the same as moving drops on tank lines in tvt from BW

airety

United States63 Posts

September 05 2010 23:50 GMT

#129

It's definitely an interesting idea, and as much as I hate seeing more ways for Terran to punish Zerg I appreciate you sharing this with the community Stalife! I was going to download the replays because it seems a little iffy to me how it could be effective because like someone earlier in the thread said, most zerg's "move" their banelings, not a-move. So basically you have a marauder breaking up the baneling ball, but the banelings will just move on to the marines anyways?

But if it's the D9D, I'll wait for that. It'd be nice if D9 would do a zerg-centric daily soon... "Here's how to counter all the crap I've been teaching protoss/terran to do the past week"

h4xh4xh4x

Canada90 Posts

September 05 2010 23:52 GMT

#130

<3 Stalife

Snowfield

1289 Posts

September 05 2010 23:53 GMT

#131

i think we should call it life drops, as it easier and it makes your shit live longer

avilo

United States4100 Posts

September 06 2010 00:10 GMT

#132

On September 06 2010 08:39 Creek wrote:

Show nested quote +

ah, i see, that can be useful in some very very specific instances, good to know. though, i don't remember a good Z ever a moving banelings.

Voyager I

United States260 Posts

September 06 2010 01:25 GMT

#133

Having watched the replays, I noticed something else.

If you can catch the Zerg army without AA (either because he doesn't have any, as in the case of the 2nd replay, or simply because his Mutas are off harassing somewhere else), what's to stop you from simply flying some Medivacs right over them and dropping Marauders directly onto his Banelings? Idle Banelings will auto-attack, so you could get him to waste a lot of units if isn't focusing on his army and doesn't know what's coming.

For people asking why this is better than simply having Marauders in front: The answer is splash damage. It takes 7 Banelings to kill a Marauder, but if you have all of your Marauders clumped up in the front of your army, the splash damage will ensure that the Baneling:Marauder ratio will be much lower than that. When you drop, the Marauders land one at a time, eliminating splash damage and maximizing the number of Banelings absorbed.

reza

Canada213 Posts

September 06 2010 01:26 GMT

#134

I make a drone in the beginning of the game after my i send my initial 6 drones to mine. Thus i will call it the 'reza build'.

Subversion

South Africa3627 Posts

September 06 2010 01:30 GMT

#135

i dont mean to sound like im jumping on the bandwagon here, but i wasnt aware that anyone ever actually a-moved banelings?

normal moving is superior in every respect, i didnt know anyone above silver ever a-moved with banelings ^^

still like the creativity tho :D

ApBuLLet

United States604 Posts

September 06 2010 01:37 GMT

#136

If the dude wants to name it after himself let him. You don't have to call it that if you don't want to... But for people saying it's a bs micro trick that doesn't even work just watch the Day[9] daily tonight, then judge it.

Edit: Didn't realize so many people already posted about it being in the daily tonight... Sorry! But nonetheless, my point still stands. Stalife is a great player and so is Day[9], so let them explain before you flame him for it.

shindigs

United States4795 Posts

September 06 2010 02:11 GMT

#137

Now watch an immediate change in attitude when Day9 covers this trick tonight.

The OP clearly writes the trick punishes Zergs who "don't micro correctly". All the criticism stems from assuming that the hypothetical TvZ players are SUPER PERFECT GOSU. Mistakes will happen and I see this trick being really effective.

PokePill

United States1048 Posts

September 06 2010 02:17 GMT

#138

On September 06 2010 11:11 shindigs wrote:
Now watch an immediate change in attitude when Day9 covers this trick tonight.

The OP clearly writes the trick punishes Zergs who "don't micro correctly". All the criticism stems from assuming that the hypothetical TvZ players are SUPER PERFECT GOSU. Mistakes will happen and I see this trick being really effective.

This would be a fair statement if being SUPER PERFECT GOSU in this case didn't just mean to be able to right click.

Tsagacity

United States2124 Posts

September 06 2010 02:22 GMT

#139

That's not even close to where plenty of the criticism is coming from. Plenty of the criticism is simply related to trying to name relatively simple (in concept) micro mechanics after yourself.