EPTToo much players = less matches to see (atleast matches which would be interesting)
I would drop the player list to 32 or abit more, but not 64.
And finals > bo5 please.
Otherwise it was a decent event. Hopely the next one is better.
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Too much players = less matches to see (atleast matches which would be interesting) I would drop the player list to 32 or abit more, but not 64. And finals > bo5 please. Otherwise it was a decent event. Hopely the next one is better. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:53 bRuTaL!! wrote: Jump from free to "HD" was waaay to small and truly 10 dollars wasted. I literally couldnt see the difference while jumping from one to the other, when I put them side by side I could see a small difference. I think you had an HD stream next to an HD stream. The difference is massive. The regular stream was completely garbled and unviewable in fullscreen. At least the HD stream, while not great, was fullscreenable. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
 I would prefer bo3 / bo5 earlier in the tournament instead of loser bracket ( it kills the hype and it is a mess imo ). Maybe bo7 for finals ( no TvT plz :p ) Also mixing the casters was a quite good idea | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
I missed over half of the sets I really wanted to see I only got to see one set played by lastshadow who had the toughest group which would have been an interesting storyline to follow pretty much the only sense of the games/storylines/drama that happened off air was from the cock teasing day9 was doing, basically telling us how awesome a game was(that we couldnt see) T_T -also possibly bring players who have the time for a little guest commentary or post-game interview i think it'd be cool to hear players like incontrol talk a little bit, hes could definitely provide some entertainment to the casts overview: more extensive coverage + player commentary/interviewing | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
Cast selection can use some work... i think kiwi was not streamed until the semi-finals? Maybe consider adding castings of replays in between games - especially certain epic matches which we may have missed! Overall work well done! | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
2) Commercials are god awful, but there's nothing you can do about that considering it's MLG's sponsors. Also not a huge deal as I just took a break, or muted. 3) I wasn't a big fan of the map previews, I feel that Day[9] gave a much more relevant preview. I guess for HDH it wasn't too bad though, as it seems they didn't know too much about the maps (or they knew about the gimics, not the general features that made the map). 4) Interviews and such are nice, but I feel it went pretty smooth from game to game. 5) TL shirts should be madatory. 6) The observers need to work on their skills a little, or have a third person to observe. With all that said I think it was a great event. I think all the casters did a pretty good job, obviously it's really hard to compare to Day[9]'s standard. However, since this is a professional event- not just a volunteer job that esports is used to I think it's fair to criticize HDH a decent amount. I feel that there was just not much game knowledge on their part, hopefully they will work hard to improve. Thanks for all the great work guys, look forward to seeing more in the future!! | ||
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Bounty
Germany35 Posts
- The free stream quality was good. I personally have no problem with Octoshape, but I realize that many people, especially those who pay for download/upload, don't like it. Also the stream was a bit too dark in my opinion, could have been brighter. Sadly on fullscreen mode parts of the sides were chopped off, which I got rid of by using VLC.Maybe some optimization work could be done there. - While I do know the maps, I think that the general idea of map introductions is good. It would be nice if it could be widened to also introduce the players, which I realize is pretty hard at the moment, especially with "random" players attending. - It would be nice if some sort of grid could be shown here and there, so it's easier to see the stage of the tournament and previous results, I think there were plenty of downtimes where those could be added. - The caster quality was good. Mixing them up was also nice. Now I hear that especially HD and Husky seem to "mess up" sometimes, but personally I didn't notice any significant problems. Maybe post-game interviews could be added. - Obviously the ads are annoying, but I realize that they have to be part of your business model and therefore I can accept them. Though I can second the notion of having PC gaming orientated ads added. Overall it was a very nice event. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
1) For nonstop casting, there weren't all that many games cast. With 2 casting teams, why not have 2 casting streams? Have Team A start, then Team B goes for a later game, and y'all can just say "break from noon to one, return then for *insert game." No one is going to be upset that y'all need food and breaks from casting. 2) I have always been quick to defend HD and Husky, but they really let me down this cast. I felt like Day9 and JP really had things well thought out in their head, but I felt that the H-casters were a bit too unprepared for the tournament. MahkSC is much more the style I want out of a caster at this kind of thing. 3) It would be great if we could have match recaps, a bracket for the commentators to pull out between games, just more stuff to make the non-game time less vamping and more relevant to the tournament. Good job, all in all, though. Cheers! | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:53 Grettin wrote: Pretty much everything has said, but i gotta disagree with 32 sign ups 32 invites was a good idea. Too much players = less matches to see (atleast matches which would be interesting) I would drop the player list to 32 or abit more, but not 64. And finals > bo5 please. Otherwise it was a decent event. Hopely the next one is better. hmmm, if it had been like that tbh me (and i think ALOT of people) wouldn't even have watch this event, if it was the original 32 sign ups 32 unkown people playing isn't that exiting, and without some good players that they MAYBE beat, it would have nothing to measure up if "bnetuser123" won the event, i would care less if the whole bracket was people i never heard of, but if he had gone through alot of good well known players, then it would mean more, not to forget the level of play is higher this is not saying your opinion is wrong, just my 2 cent on that subject | ||
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Combine
United States812 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
A few things owuld improve the viewers experience for us at home though. 1: The crowd. While I personally don't want to see it as much as we have to in Korean pro games, hearing them adds a lot to the experience for me. When the mothership came out I could hear the crowd cheer, but it was a bit lower than it should be in my opinion. Obviously shouldn't make us unable to hear the casters, but I think you know what I mean. 2: Seeing the players during the game was nifty and I definitely liked that, but being unable to see the upgrades was a bit 'meh'. It's a nitpick really, but if the player video covered the unit portraits we would be able to see the upgrades and the player. I don't think anyone cares about what a stalker looks like when targetted. Also, let us see the player reaction when they win or lose. If you saw Dimaga v Tarson you'll know why that's important. Also, if we got to see the keyboard/mouse of players that'd be quite interesting. Especially during downtime during games. 3: Coverage. Lack of coverage of some players really surprised me, we didn't really get to see Kiwikaki until he was getting close to the finals, while we did get to see some really terrible players several games in a row. I realize even amateurs should have the opportunity to be broadcasted, but some of the games weren't even worth watching in my opinion. Seeing one of the games from an amateur in a best of 3 and letting us watch better players in some other game would nice. 4: Casters. I really liked what you did here, it shows that you did your research on who the SC community wants. Day9/JP for the more 'hardcore' fans, and HD/Husky for the ones who only watch a few youtube games every now and then. I really have no complaints about the casting per se, but you had two sets of casters. Why couldn't you stream two sets of games? I realize even casters needs to rest of course, but having the ability to chose what games to watch if there are several games going on at the same time would've been nice. 5: Double elimination Honestly, a lot of people will disagree with me here but I really dislike this format. Rather have every game be a Bo5 with a regular Bo7 final. I just don't think double elimination is a good format, at all. 6: Where's the new State of the Game? Patiently waiting here  Overall it was a great tournament, while the caliber of the players wasn't quite up to snuff with the IEM everything else was far superior in my opinion. Great job. | ||
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
Epic commentators Epic games Epic tournament With that said helpful criticism: -Ads for too similar and really stupid (probably not something you can change I know) - Bad time for Australians 12am-11 am (probably not something you can fix I know) -Man I got nothing, awesome tournament. | ||
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Carl_Sagan
United States226 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:21 bmml wrote: Cannot help but agree. 10 dollars for MLG for a weekend vs 5 dollars for ESL TV for a month, ingame quality was about the same just one was 16;9, I guess that'll teach me for buying it when the site was going insane on the first day. Also a LOT of false advertising calling it "HD", its 480p I'm fairly sure that doesn't count. Also if you insist on making Husky cast (Chill/Incontrol and numerous others would have done a MUCH better job) you can at least make sure he isnt 3x as loud as anyone else, had to turn it off because his voice was so loud / abrasive even when nothing "exciting" was happening for all the whine about apollo in the IEM he did an amazing job in comparison. Also I know you cant really fix this but surely it isnt THAT hard to get gaming based sponsors. I mean jerky and those rancid hot pockets, christ seriously the ads made me wanna puke everytime they came on esspecially the hotpockets - god just because people play games doesn't mean they all eat such heinous food. Oh and the map previews you started doing made me motion sick, no need for all the zooming and whizzing about - it doesnt make it more interesting it just makes it more confusing / annoying. Double elimination is also a pretty poor format for an RTS, it just doesnt flow well enough and without constant updates you easily get lost in the torrent of games being thrown at you. I would like to take the time to disagree with absolutely everything this person has to say. Please, keep Husky casting, get whatever sponsors you can, the map previews were fine, and double elimination isn't terribly problematic for an RTS (better players have more chances). | ||
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Erucious
Norway393 Posts
- Although an anticlimactic final, some games were good, but quiet a few werent that interesting either. But theres nothing MLG themselves can do about, so i feel the guys commenting on that are kinda missing the point. - I am torn if i like the carryover of score from the finals (IE, if Winner bracket beat loser bracket 2-0, the score carries over and it becomes a bo7). It works, but another solution is have loser bracket win 2 Bo3/5's over winner bracket, while Winner bracket only has to win 1. I think Sean talked about him playing in WCG like that or something in his d9d#100. - I loved Sean and JP's synergy. HDH were fine to me, but Husky really needs a suit and some wax in his hair .- Was kinda sad to see spectators sitting on the floor AND not able to hear the casters. Either force players who are casted to sit in a soundproof booth (then you immediately cna get a winners ceremony afterwards), or use the same headset set-up as IEM used. Headsets arent that important to SC2 - as long as they play sound well it will work fine for all players. - Would love to see "after talk" kind of stuff too after the tourney with maybe some players, casters, producers, etc etc. - I had the same issue with full screen cutting off both siders of the stream. HAving the same problem now with the WoW Arena tourney stream. Thats about the things i can think of... Overal good event, sadly the games werent as exciting as i hoped for, but thats not MLG's fault. | ||
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Grond
599 Posts
Since you and Day 9 are more strategy analysts and HD and Husky are more color commentators I think it made sense to split you up. It may be out of your comfort zone but if you all work the same tournament again you may want to try that some more. You might want to download some replays and practice with each if you go that route. As some others mentioned have something available on the website that lets you catch up on the current status of the tournament. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
MAKE FINALS BO5 OR BO7 the finals seemed like any other set a game 5 is exponentially more intense and epic than a game 3 edit - i now realize this is a inherent quality of the format so i'll say i think it would be better for a round robin group stage into a seeded single elim tournament to allow for amateurs to compete while creating less variance for the pro gamers to advance IMO | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On August 29 2010 23:15 vyyye wrote: 1: The crowd. While I personally don't want to see it as much as we have to in Korean pro games, hearing them adds a lot to the experience for me. When the mothership came out I could hear the crowd cheer, but it was a bit lower than it should be in my opinion. Obviously shouldn't make us unable to hear the casters, but I think you know what I mean. Oh yes. I was watching the Tekken stream at one point and it was amazing. I mean i don't even own a console, i don't know shit about this game but all the people cheering for their favourite player was awesome =D | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
With a good budget here's my suggestions: 1. More streams, let us see more matches even if there's no commentator. Ala the NCAA Men's Basketball tournament. Hell, make it part of the $10 fee. Since it's on bnet I wouldn't mind seeing streams farmed out to people not in attendance like IEM did with GLHF. 2. More graphics, give us brackets and results especially. Having to go to gotfrag wasn't the best. 3. I'd like to see defined roles for casters, Play by Play vs. Expert and frankly I think you're better suited as a studio host JP. I think leading an analysis discussion is right in your wheelhouse. Assuming the same crew is around in the future I'd like to see HD or Husky with Day9 and bring on another pro player or commentator to fill Day's role in the second stream. Ideally a third pro to man the desk with you would be great. 4. Highlights from other matches, of course you need other streams for this but can help fill time between rounds. 5. More matches in general. One matchup per round really isn't enough. I realize it's a tight schedule so it makes sense how it was run, but with more prep time for D.C. or even Dallas this would be great. 6. Lose the T-shirts and go collared shirts under the jackets, or golf type shirts no jackets. Don't ever let anyone on camera that's not a player in a hoody again. Basically, the more production you can talk them into the better. I'm not holding out hope for anything big before next year, but I can see where this can go. | ||
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