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On August 29 2010 23:22 billyX333 wrote:
also going to agree with a lot of people on this
MAKE FINALS BO5 OR BO7
the finals seemed like any other set
a game 5 is exponentially more intense and epic than a game 3
wtf seriously bo3 for the finals?
It was an extended series, it makes sense and it was fair. It's how double elimination work, you'll have to blame the tournament format instead. It was essentially like Kiwi and HuK played a best of 7, and huK went 2-1 as he won the first Bo3 so when Kiwi met him again those points transferred over. It's fair, but not very good for viewers in my opinion. The finals are quite anti climatic that way.
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My only real complaint is that it felt like we could've seen more games than we did. There was a lot of downtime where we're just watching the casters desperately trying to think of things to say 
I didn't mind you guys switching up the casters though. Day[9] and HD seemed to have surprisingly good chemistry.
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Few things for me:
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Day[9]+ Husky/HD commentating was really good. Would be nice to see more of that
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Downtime between games was terrible, Day[9] has allot of charisma and can keep talking and talking and talking but you could see that JP,Husky and HD ran out of things to talk about and relied on Day[9] to keep the momentum going. But it's not like that HD/Husky and JP had no idea what to say, when Day[9] brought up a new topic as the old one started to die, the rapport between the casters was great.
It's not completely unfair to expect the casters to be able to fill in that dead zone but it seemed MLG didn't really help them out, the "ask a caster thread" was great, try adding more "pick up and play" segments like that, maybe give the casters some background info on all the players, or just some interesting segments in general to fill long delays.
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I have to agree with what a few people have said already, I don't get all this criticism about HD and Husky casting poorly at all, no one has even bothered to give an example, they have just made some blanket statements. It's not like it isn't true, I mean I caught HD slipping up on a unit name once or twice but it wasn't that bad, they provided some pretty good info and possible plays that could happen through out the game, they weren't as informative as Day[9] obviously, but you can't expect everyone to be like Day[9]. Apart from lacking topics to talk about when there were long delays they casted pretty well.
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Whoever is doing the voice over for the Map preview needs to be more enthusiastic, the ones that aired during the event were really poor, she talked sooo slow, I dunno about anyone else but it seemed to me that she was just trying to not screw up what was written down for her rather than actually explain the map.
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Maybe it seemed not as good on the stream, but I had a blast at the tournament. I met a lot of the players, and most of them are very nice people! Team root especially, they just rock all out. Kiwikaki and QXC are super funny.
I think some of the main problems of the MLG Raleigh was partly due to poor planning. The area for SC2 and WoW was the same area. It was the only part of the tournaments that required internet, so thats why SC2 and WoW were crammed into 1.5 days each because they shared the same gaming area. If there had been more room, I think MLG could have had more sound on the main viewing screen where we could actually hear the game and the announcers. We were watching the stream, essentially on a projector with no sound, hard to get excited about a game with no sound.
This is their first SC2 event, so hopefully they will have their stuff together for the next tourney in DC and they will have SC2 for 3 days and can use a better tournament configuration, like ESL. All in all the event was great, especially meeting all the gamers there. There were so many good players. I got a shirt signed by QXC, Huk, Drewbie, Cauthonluck, Catz, SLush, Day[9], Inka, LzGamer, Select, Sjow, Masq, Gretorp, LastShadow (Ajtls), and a few more I can't remember at the moment.
I hope more people support and attend MLG events so that they can get more funding and feedback. Bring Pro gaming to the US and NA!
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am i the only one that wanted MORE GAMES really showed very little. Also when you did show macthes you showed the wrong machted so please look at the macthes that you are going to be streamed in the future.
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On August 29 2010 23:22 billyX333 wrote:
also going to agree with a lot of people on this
MAKE FINALS BO5 OR BO7
the finals seemed like any other set
a game 5 is exponentially more intense and epic than a game 3
It was a continued Bo7.
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- Maybe this is double eliminations fault, but there was not really a good build up except for the final. Once it gets down to 8 or 16 or however many players it really needs to shift from 'casting random games' to casting everything and emphasizing how this affects the bracket. With 64 players and two brackets it would be too much (and not all that important) to do this from the start, but it needs to happen at some point.
For instance when there were just 4 players left (Socke, LastShadow, Kiwikaka, HuK) the Socke vs LastShadow games were not shown. This is equivalent to not showing a semi-final match. How dumb is that? Especially after everyone talking about LastShadow all weekend.
- For having 4 casters there were not that many games actually cast. I'm not really that big into having 4 casters personally, but here it seemed to provide no benefit at all. Whoever cast a game seemed purely on trying to get all casters equal stream time (who cares, it isn't about them). If you are going to have 4 casters it should be so that games can be shown near non-stop (team A has downtime setting up a game then go to team B, vice versa).
- Like everyone else is saying, the stream getting cut off was annoying but more of a technical problem. Same with the darkness (fog of war was brutal!).
- Player Interviews are fun.
- Map preview was dumb -- we stream for the games and the casters, not so some production people can wank off. Do you really think people tuning into the stream on a saturday afternoon need to hear a description of the map?
- I think round robin into single elimination is the way to go. You had a lot of people register just to play in a tournament. They had their 2 BO3 and were out. Round Robin gives these players more games and it also allows expanding the number of invites quite easily to let more amateurs participate. It also provides a clear transition for the tournament from a free for all in terms of casting and scheduling into a clearly defined order of progression (single elimination).
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My qualms:
1. Not enough games casted. We missed epic series between good players and instead had to view the amateurs who had yet to prove themselves (and ended up being awful). Sure, broadcast amateurs if they get far and defeat notable players.
This has happened before thanks to open registration. During one of the initial World of Warcraft circuits (trying to remember if this was MLG, but Im 99% sure it was) there was a really crappy team that was made from random registrants that was absolutely horrible, while other good games happened.
2. Multiple streams, yet no way to cover more than one Starcraft 2 game at a time? I enjoy the Korean Starleague Prelim format, (example video):,
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12:02, and again at 21:53 is when they "segue" into a new game already in progress. the first game was played in full. also they give regular updates during the games of the ones they arent broadcasting.
where the commentators can easily jump game to game (joining ones in progress, as there is a referee or observer account in each game) for maximum viewage and enjoyment. I think it's very important to view as many games as possible and decrease the amount of "filler time." People in IRC joking about how we were having a live Day9 daily because there were such huge gaps of times between games.
My worry here is it seems unlikely MLG will change since they don't even provide multiple streams for their 'flagship game,' Halo 3. I honestly doubt they don't have the money/resources to do it, they probably feel it's just unneeded. I think it is, and I think as the biggest gaming event in North America, you should be setting an example to the world that we can also run an awesome event. For future events, I'd like to at least see two different streams for Starcraft II with the two pairs of commentators available, if it's simply impossible to "jump" between games like the Korean Prelims do.
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I loved the tourney, I watched most of day one and most of day 2.
Some suggestions though:
1.) HD and Husky have potential to be great, but they need to learn the game a bit more. It's very distracting when they say something retarded, just like in other sports, when someone makes a weird mistake on air its hard to follow what the hell is going on.
2.) Day9 with other people is great, he has great insights but I agree that some people should be assigned the play by play, and some assigned the color commentary.
3.) Looking sharp is a good way to attract more fans, husky's hoodie was amateurish. Also, Huk wearing that hoodie in the interview was dumb, pull that shit down man, we want to see the banana grin of a winner.
4.) Quality was alright on the free stream, but I don't see myself paying for HD unless we can see all the games played on different streams. Even without commentary or just a solo commentator.
5.) I don't mind JP, and I didn't mind his arena cast stuff, when he was into wow even if it was a bit awkward at times. What I don't like is the looking at the other hosts constantly or sometimes mumbling. You are a journalism major JP you should know these things! Don't stare at the hosts, and don't mumble on air. Also it seems like some of the discussions are sorta planned or thought about before hand and these sound way better than some of the "time filler" discussions you all had.
Regardless I loved the tourney, but I know it can be heaps better. If the tourneys start to be kick-ass then people will watch, even people who are not players.
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-not a big fan of the format. Round robin seems a much better format and still gives the good players a chance to advance even if they drop a game or two.
- i dont wanna be to harsh on them but Husky and HD really need to improve their overall game knowledge. IMO as a caster you have to PLAY the game, quite a bit and hopefully at a decent skill level.
At one point I think HD said he only plays " 1 game a week" 1 game? cmon how can you have a deep understanding of the game when you play 1 game a week. I dont care how many replays you watch, you NEED to play as well. idk maybe the more casual players think there good, but to the more experienced SC1 and SC2 players, its pretty clear they often dont have any good insight into whats happening in the game.
-Day9 and JP were great
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I loved the event, everyone really put a lot of effort in this and it was a blast to watch. Thanks for everything! Here's a bit of what I thought could use some attention in future MLG events.
- There where large periods of time when I felt the casters where "waiting" for the games to get set up and trying to fill the time in whatever way. This puts a huge amount of responsibility on the casters to keep the crowd entertained. Obviously the more experienced casters did rather well on this but the more junior of the crew where having a bit of a tougher time to keep the crowd entertained in pure ad-lib mode. Maybe something needs to be considered for these time spaces that keeps the viewer engaged and doesn't rely solely on the caster's ability to make that happen.
- Most of the commercials I found pretty fitting for the event. Good job on that! Though because of the length of the tournament and the amount of time that you're actually spending watching them I felt it could've used a bit more variation. Watching the same commercial multiple times in the same "block" feels a little tacked on. I'm confident you'll do better next time, but I felt it should be mentioned.
Also, I noticed that full-screening the video cut off the sides on 16 : 9 resolutions. The reruns didn't seem to experience this problem. It's just a technical thing though since we're all offering critique I thought I'd throw it out there.
Looking forward to future events!
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Great job JP!
It was an awesome event and it was a lot of fun to watch.
Though I guess a tad boring with how everyone played 100% to win making a lot of matches well...a tad lame.
My biggest concern was the purchase of HD! Paying 10$ for 1 event means it should be fairly good... Here's the thing - It was downright awful quality for 'HD'.
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On August 29 2010 23:29 Dommk wrote:
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Whoever is doing the voice over for the Map preview needs to be more enthusiastic, the ones that aired during the event were really poor, she talked sooo slow, I dunno about anyone else but it seemed to me that she was just trying to not screw up what was written down for her rather than actually explain the map.
I need to emphasize on this. So true, only reason she didnt get flamed too pieces is cause she was a girl percieved hot. It's not something we really need when going to start serious. I felt a bit embarresed for her and for me watching it. Felt like the target audiance was 16years old when she came along.
To sum the point up: Be persistent with having a professional outlook
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I think everyone was being too critical with the HDH combo. I thought they were really great. Idk why people are bashing on husky for bringing the energy to the game. I know he may get really loud at time it makes the game fun to watch. I think if you were to complain about a commentating team it would have to be JP and Day9 just for the fact that Day9 just keeps going on and on and on that JP had to force his way in. Day9 is awesome, but at the way things look, why not just make him solo cast as he does not seem to want to share. JP and Day9 just did not have the same chemistry that Husky and HD had.
And sure the HDH combo look like they need more live commentating experience, but they'll get it the more live tournaments they cover. I would say they did excellent for their first live tournament commentary.
As far as the tournament is concerned:
1). Two streams would have been better as many potentially awesome games were missed. I think since there are two commentator teams, two streams would have been awesome. AND/OR one team commentating the winner's bracket, and the other team commentating the losers bracket.
2). Having a visible bracket would have been nice. gotfrag's list was just not good enough. The Halo 3 and Tekken 6 had visible brackets, I do not see why Starcraft 2 didn't.
3). Seeing Player stats pre-matc and having some player interviews during down time would have been nice.
Other than those, I thought MLG was really awesome, had a great experience watch some epic matches and even watching some other games. I did not even know there was a competitive Super Smash and Tekken scene. I am looking forward to the next MLG even.
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Very good event and I like the double elimination format alot since you dont se them same people playing each other in to many games in a row.
More Interviews would be good thought.
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On August 29 2010 23:39 Killmour wrote:
3.) Looking sharp is a good way to attract more fans, husky's hoodie was amateurish. Also, Huk wearing that hoodie in the interview was dumb, pull that shit down man, we want to see the banana grin of a winner.
That was down right terrible, aswell as him chewing gum throughout the interview - damn disrespectful. Also don't you have a sponsor, why the hell wasn't he wearing their gear.
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I personally didn't like the double elimination format. It seemed like it just appeared at the finals and it was like...oh.
I much prefer a group stages into 16 or 32 player single-elim bracket. Much more exciting and less confusing. Trying to read the brackets was just :S, especially because the formatting was stuffed up. Dont break a winning formula, single elimination for lyfe!
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On August 30 2010 00:08 bmml wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 23:39 Killmour wrote:
3.) Looking sharp is a good way to attract more fans, husky's hoodie was amateurish. Also, Huk wearing that hoodie in the interview was dumb, pull that shit down man, we want to see the banana grin of a winner.
That was down right terrible, aswell as him chewing gum throughout the interview - damn disrespectful. Also don't you have a sponsor, why the hell wasn't he wearing their gear.
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He dont have a sponsor, and he was looking for one, but comon, who the hell wants to sponsor a dude like HUK chewing gym hooded. He just looked stupid and amateurish. Not everything is based on what you show on sc2. Hope someone can give HUK feedback on this, as it would do good for him. I wish him the best
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Hey, JP. First off, thanks to you and your crew for putting the stream together. This was my first experience watching an e-sports event and you provided an amazing introduction. I will definitely keep an eye out for future events based on the views below.
Commentaries – Your cast of commentators was superb. You all brought your own unique version of casting to the table. I watch both Day9 and Husky regularly. Furthermore, the primary reason I began watching the tournament was to see Husky at a live event.
I think each commentator brings his own style to the game. Each has his areas of strengths and weaknesses, and since people are prone to harp on the weaknesses, I’ll talk about strengths.
Husky, hands down, provides the most entertainment value to the games. He has a great sense of humor and utilize a great bit of improve while casting. If you have watched his sleep deprived cast where he created pylo (and his twin sister (and her twin sister)) you know this from experience. I love how he talks to units behaving oddly. “What are you doing scv? You need to get back to work. If I was an scv I would want to be in his army.” Since this seems to be one of Husky’s first paid casting events, I imagine he erred on the side of caution and stuck more to the facts then letting his humor run free. That being said, he did get some good quips in there. In conclusion, I think Husky’s participation drove my interest in the event and I would really like to see him cast again in the future.
HD: Every comedian needs a straight man, and HD provides this service in spades. Their friendship plays out well on the screen and brings real value to their commentaries. There were times they felt so fresh, they should have called each other the febreeze brothers, and it did seem at times that HD and Husky were the other guys. However, they stood on their own and provided some solid commentary. I hope to see them teamed up again.
Day9, casts with a unique blend of humor and technical knowledge. I watch his dailies more for understanding the meta-game and less from pure entertainment value. He’s like the Bill Nye of commentators. Actually, I’d like to see him in a lab coat. Day9 seems to teach the game such that I feel like I have a better understanding of the game after his commentaries. “The thing I like about reapers is their ability to get away utilizing cliffs. I hate to see when they are used to blindly jump up ramp because there is a risk the other player’s forces are waiting.” If I played terran this is information I could plug straight into my gameplay.
JP, I am afraid I have not had a chance to view many of your commentaries, and after watching you this weekend I hope to remedy this. I would like to say that you definitely have your own unique style, one I would like to see more of. You definitely win for having the best hair.
tldr
Since this post is running quite long, I will end this here and post again on other aspects. Overall, I have this perception that Husky and HD are on rocky ground for casting future events. Solidify this. Their following on YouTube has the potential to bridge many YouTube watchers over to e-sports. What better place to introduce them than the mlg?
I think a lot of emphasis is put on the commentators “knowing the game.” I don’t watch the Daily Show to keep up with the news. I watch it for entertainment. In general people value entertainment over knowledge. Let the teaching take place on the caster’s home turf, streaming or YouTube, and give your commentators the freedom to entertain. E-sports should be about entertainment. Give me,”Oh and it looks like it’s going to be a drop. Are we going to see a stooooormmmmm!!!! OH MY GOD how many probes was that!?!" over,” Typically when you perform a drop, you want to place your units behind the mineral line as we see Huk doing right here.”
Once again, JP, kudos to you and your crew. I hope to see your roster of casters in the future.
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stream was good and lag free for me caster are good HDH do need to work on riffing between games.
the close up of the casters need better timing.
and loved the player cams>
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