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Affluenza
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom214 Posts
August 29 2010 13:37 GMT
#21
I hate the format...double elimination is poor format.

I also felt robbed of a proper final...I'm sorry but the concept that a final can be played with a player having a defecit or set advantage is not a proper final...

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MisterPuppy
Profile Joined August 2010
161 Posts
August 29 2010 13:37 GMT
#22
I'm not very good at Starcraft 2, but one of the casters (the asian dude) kept on saying the wrong things and it got really hard for me to follow b/c I had to keep on going to the tier lists to figure out why I didn't understand what he was talking about :\
phamou
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada193 Posts
August 29 2010 13:39 GMT
#23
try and cast more games of popular matchups/players
cornwell1961
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan56 Posts
August 29 2010 13:40 GMT
#24
cant blame mlg, but streamed games were not the most entertaining ones, exept drewbie vs Socke and silver vs gretorp serie, so my question would be how you decide which games to stream?
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
August 29 2010 13:40 GMT
#25
On August 29 2010 22:34 kickinhead wrote:
The Players weren't as good as in the IEM and there were too many boring MU's like PvP. Also, there were nearly no Zergs...

I liked the commentary, also the ones by HD and Husky and I didn't mind the more LAN-like rather than big Showmatch-Style approach...


Indeed there weren't any zergs, but I don't think you can blame the organizers for that.

Although most people hated it, I think it was nice to have 4 commentators switching between games.
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Avrithor
Profile Joined May 2010
United States41 Posts
August 29 2010 13:41 GMT
#26
- The stream had issues for a number of people. On day 1, for me, it didn't work in FF, Chrome, or IE. I let it sit in Chrome and after over an hour of "MLG Stream now loading" it finally popped on. On day 2, it worked instantly. (I also had no problems at all with Octoshape for IEM Gamescom.) I don't know if anything changed between day 1 and day 2, but anything your tech crew could do to improve availability of the stream so folks don't have to go to restreams by folks who won the "working-stream-lottery" to watch the event would be stellar. I know you really want it to just work for everyone and I'm not trying to impugn your tech guys, this is just the reality of what went down. The work they're doing is appreciated and I'm sure they'll keep it up.
- HD/Husky have been debated to death on TL, suffice it to say that HD's admission that he plays 1 ladder game per week sums up my thoughts on that.
- I think the map introduction videos were a fantastic idea. Obviously everyone on this site knows what's up with the maps but considering you have lots of Halo players, Tekken players, etc and would like to reach out to a wider audience, I think this is something you need to keep up. However, the Blizzard maps are fairly terrible and IMO bringing in some better maps would make for a much better event. The iCCup mapmaking team is doing good work, unless your partnership with Blizzard stipulates you must use official maps only I would take a look at that.
- JP, your makeup in particular looked strange on the stream. It seemed like you were too pale and possibly wearing lipstick. Maybe have your makeup people adjust for next time. :3
- Quality of the free stream was fine once it worked, I had no issues seeing what was going on. The only issue was the in-game being too dark on day 1, but it seemed like that was fixed on day 2.
- More interviews! Along with switching up the casting pair, having whoever wasn't casting down on the floor talking to the players made it truly seem like you were all a pro casting team and not just SC nerds who got invited to yak into headsets. And of course it's great to hear from the players.
- At some point once there's a solid history of SC2 events, you may consider nerding out enough to put up player stats before/after matches similar to how OSL broadcasts do it. For example you could show last 10 games and W/L% before the game (TLPD has this data), and resources/units killed/average APM/etc after the game.
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
August 29 2010 13:45 GMT
#27
I really think that if HD and Husky want to make it a job, they need to study more starcraft. They said so many crap during the games...
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
August 29 2010 13:45 GMT
#28
The format is really poor. I lost a lot of excitement watching because of the boring format tbh.

Group stages followed by singel elimination is the way to go. Why does MLG use double elimination?
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
August 29 2010 13:46 GMT
#29
The event was great. It would be cool with the two caster pairs to have dual streams so that we can have access to more games. The production value was really high, but there could have been more interviews. Some people said that the casters in between games were sometimes awkward with not a lot to talk about. Having more interviews or features to fill in the time would just bring up the production value that much higher. I think the first event was really successful.

Please JP, would love to hear the stats about the event when you guys get them. Heard the alerts stream talking about the SC2 stream being one of the most successful MLG streams of all time. Would love to hear the stats about approx how many HD passes, views, in-person ticket passes that the SC2 community was able to suck up. Want to be even more proud of our community!

Good work MLG and ggs!
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DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
August 29 2010 13:47 GMT
#30
On August 29 2010 22:37 Affluenza wrote:
I hate the format...double elimination is poor format.

I also felt robbed of a proper final...I'm sorry but the concept that a final can be played with a player having a defecit or set advantage is not a proper final...


Every format has it's cons and pros. Get over it
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 29 2010 13:47 GMT
#31
I would like to see you abandon double elim. For me it kills a lot of the excitement of the later rounds. Individual games just seem less important.

Some way of getting rid of the bad players before casting would be nice too. That sounds asshole-ish but there's no fun in watching some random vs a good player. Some way of cutting the field in half right away would do wonders for the quality of games I think, rather than random player vs good player, then random players clogging up the loser bracket.
Ohdamn
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany765 Posts
August 29 2010 13:48 GMT
#32
On August 29 2010 22:13 mortar wrote:
I felt the HD stream wasn't really worth it. Quality wasn't as good as I hoped for.

(I'm aware of the preview.)


QFT


the ingame quality...wtf...
it was SOO dark

the difference between non-HD and HD was too little

also the quality difference between ingame and the rest was just HUGE

it seemed like HD only worked for the commentator/interview stuff and as soon as it goes ingame...omg

for 10$ that's just...bad


anyone else noticed that?
"If you can chill....chill!"
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
August 29 2010 13:49 GMT
#33
This is my opinion about mlg raleigh, yours may differ:

* More interviews and overall more event coverage.
* HD stream is expensive (10$ for weekend, esl had 10€(?) for one month). Would have still purchased, but i won' spend money if i can only watch half of the games, because i can't stand some of your casters. For deep ingame and out of game analysis HD and Huskey's skills are lacking and other casters also provide better entertainment imho. Day9 and JP were great!
* Looser bracket is just bad
* More data on the players would be great to show before the actual games. Like Win/Loss percentage, Matchup history etc. Of couse this would only be doable when more SC2 events were played.
* I liked the commercials at IEM a lot more than your commercials. More gaming related commercials or movie trailers etc would be great.

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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
August 29 2010 13:49 GMT
#34
I have three comments (as a stream watcher):

1) I don't think it is beyond the capabilities of MLG to have someone conducting interviews with players in off/non-tournament hours. Playing some of those videos during the "vamp" time would be much more desirable than watching the MLG logo or hearing commentators say how they're still waiting on players to join. Obviously don't get rid of the commentator vamp time, but alternation would be great.

2) I'm looking for the tournament directors to let us watch *most* of the high profile matchups. There were several instances of us watching big name vs no-name matches when it was an outright stomp. I really enjoyed the few instances when we cut into a series in progress to see the final game in the possibility of an upset. I know it is hard to coordinate, but the viewers want to see the players they are fans of.

3) People were laughing about the map preview of Xel'Naga Caverns (especially you Day!), but that was great. Seriously. That's so professional to have that prepared for each map. Another way to improve would be to have some overlays / interface during the pre-game with statistics and player information. Think TSL or Proleague style here.

I loved the tournament.. definitely made me a fan of Socke who I had rarely watched before. I'm really sad that my favorite players are Dimaga and Socke and I play Terran, but that's the case!
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SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
August 29 2010 13:50 GMT
#35
My biggest issue with the stream was that fullscreen mode was forced widescreen. What the fuck kind of bullshit is that? Not everyone has a widescreen monitor, and even if you do, not everyone has the same widescreen size.

I changed to my laptop because it has widescreen, and it was still unwatchable in fullscreen mode because the sides were cropped off. Eventually I found a way to watch it in VLC, but I shouldn't really have to go through all that trouble to watch a stream because you can't configure it properly, should I?
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 29 2010 13:50 GMT
#36
Also, Fullscreen on stream STILL cuts off the screen so you only see about 70% of the screen. This really needs to be fixed.
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Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
August 29 2010 13:51 GMT
#37
On August 29 2010 22:45 debasers wrote:
I really think that if HD and Husky want to make it a job, they need to study more starcraft. They said so many crap during the games...

I agree, they need to get more experience, then they should do live events. Just because you have a good voice doesn't make you a good caster.
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de1irium
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States121 Posts
August 29 2010 13:51 GMT
#38
Was watching on the stream... my thoughts:

-- Downtime between matches was too much, IMO. I realize there needs to be time to recap and run commercials, and that's cool, but it seemed like the commentators were stalling a lot. There's enough legitimate time between matches that there should be no reason the players for the next match to be streamed aren't ready to go right as the current match is wrapping up.

-- Production was a bit on the weak side. Transitions were often very awkward. And at one point your camera guys were killing time by panning around to a bunch of chubby nerds literally laying around (were there no chairs in the spec area??). I won't pretend to have a solution for a situation like that ... I realize it happens sometimes, and I realize it's the first time you guys have run SC2 so there are going to be hiccups. But a little more polish going forward would be cool. Visualize the brackets and/or the match results (maps played, who won which, etc...). Recap some of the other results that went on while the streamed match happened.

-- 480p "HD?" You might be able to fool the halo kids with that, but come on. We're PC gamers. Give me a 720p 30fps stream and I'd cough up the $10 in a second! Ghetto street fighter tournaments can manage it for free, I'm sure MLG can make it happen behind a paywall.

-- On the topic of the stream quality, it was really dark. A little extra contrast/saturation can go a long way, but this was a bit too much. (No, it's not my monitor.)

But ultimately the tourney went off without any major hangups (that I noticed), so props for that. Looking forward to seeing what the future brings for NA SC2!
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
August 29 2010 13:52 GMT
#39
- The HD stream never worked for me on both days.

- It would also be nice to get replays and/or VODs of the matches that we couldn't see. I feel we missed some of the best matches and that really sucks.

- As Avrithor pointed out, more interviews would be nice. It would be nice to meet the players, put a face on the name

Other than that, great casts, great games.
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
August 29 2010 13:53 GMT
#40
Jump from free to "HD" was waaay to small and truly 10 dollars wasted. I literally couldnt see the difference while jumping from one to the other, when I put them side by side I could see a small difference.
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