EPTMLG Raleigh Ultimate Feedback Thread - Page 5
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Adila
United States874 Posts
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Pure.Calm
United Kingdom196 Posts
-Not showing the minimap in fullscreen mode was annoying (but if this is fixed for the hd version, i actually like that as a business move lol) -I thought you and Day[9] where great, entertaining, knew the game and could deal with breaks in the game. -Liked the ask the caster thread -Would like more interviews (idealy if you insist on keeping HDH id relegate them to taking interviews with the players where perhaps there game knowledge (or lack thereof) will not be as tested) -I found the double elim brackets annoying, prefere bo5 format elimation with a bo5 or bo7 final (not with one player having an advantage based on previou games, that annoyed me) -Didnt like the map analysis, but can see why people who dont play the game might like it. -Would like to have the "better" or more popular players where given preference to be streamed, even if this means cutting a seeded player v no name player short (other than el paramedico i found these to just be watching a rather onesided game) -finaly if posible id like to see more of the players during the game, keyboard views and if possible FPV's of players, especially the faster players (200+ apm) | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
my only other complaint was I wanted to see more high level zerg players but that's not really something that you can control I guess. | ||
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Gnax
Sweden490 Posts
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Dragonreaper
United States10 Posts
- Whats up with the PS/2 to USB keyboard adapters? I remember seeing a post that it was allowed this once. I'm not really sure why, as long as you have an adapter, you would be forced to use a USB keyboard, if that is the case. - The commercials are mutable (holy crap is that nice, I always hate when I can't mute stream commercials) and they are bunched up, which is nice to go grab a snack or bathroom or whatever. - My only real gripe with the tournament was the stream quality and lack of free attendance. Not having any involvement with mlg, or esports for that matter I can't say how realistic free attendance is, or if it's an eventuality that it has a fee (as basically every sport in the US does). I dunno maybe hearing of free attendance to Pro League has spoiled me but I was surprised at the 25$ fee just to attend. I was also pretty disappointed by the stream quality. I think it's reasonable to offer standard definition for free, and high definition for a price. Except that the free stream was barely legible and the "high definition" stream isn't even actual hd... I think pretty much everyone would be happy (or at least happier) with a 480p free stream, and the payed option of a 720p or 1080p stream. I don't think that is unreasonable given the sponsorship mlg has and the commercials. That being said it's worth noting that the current free stream quality is at least legible, so if that is out of everyone's hands it's not so bad as to make it not worth watching, close though. - Also Octoshape, it needs to not be forced, or if that is not doable (don't know how it works and if it's implementation forces use by everyone) but at least it needs the ability for the user to cap the bandwidth use. A thanks to mlglee and all those reading these kinds of things and responding/trying to improve mlg for the better of the community. Sadly this kind of community involvement is pretty rare in just about anything these days, and it's definitely respected. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
2. Half the people bitching about HDH probably aren't even good enough to comprehend the actual difference between their game knowledge and Day[9]'s, they just saw a bandwagon and hopped on. I tuned in sporadically between Day 1 and Day 2, and I got bits of Day[9]/JP and HDH. Both satisfied me, and both were solid, in my opinion. My one complaint is the hoodie for Husky. I only saw Day 2, so I dunno if he did it during Day 1, but everyone else had a t-shirt and a jacket, he could use one as well. 3. I would like the idea of interviews with players. Especially during the downtime before the finals on D2, interview players. Hunt down Socke, LastShadow and some of the other top 8 players, see how they feel about their performance. 4. Double elimination was fine, extended series was a bit "meh", I would've liked to see it where Kiwikaki had to win 2 Bo3's like a traditional double elim, but it didn't matter in the end, now did it, haha. 5. GotFrag's bracket was a major headache. Took forever to load, and was very tough to follow until the later stages. The paths players took should've been laid out ahead of time. Other than that, great event. You guys got the big stuff right, and that's what matters. Keep it up, keep up the great work. Oh, and since you guys may or may not reply here - were runoff matches played to determine placing for 9th through 16th so appropriate rank points were awarded, or was it just a standard given from there. | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
The negative: - More games, less talking about them for 30 minutes. I realize working a schedule when the game's duration is variable can be a problem but still, just jump into a random game between scheduled broadcasts. - If you are SELLING HD quality at least make it 720p (1280x720) high bitrate doesn't = HD just minimizes compression artifacts. - More interviews with the players, more aggressive questions, not just ..."are you happy you won?"... - Show us the venue if you need to fill time, interviews with the organizers etc, i think the camera was stuck watching people do nothing for like 20 minutes at one point. - The brackets were awful. They made no sense and the race of the players wasn't being properly displayed, i had to hover over the name of the person and find the tooltip linking to terran/protoss/zerg.jpg hosted on your site that wasn't showing. The positive: - The casters did a great job at keeping the atmosphere alive during the games and outside of it, loved husky's energy, HD was making a LOT of mistakes but he was probably the most professional of all the casters. Day9 is always awesome and keeps the crowd entertained (troll face was awesome), JP is the perfect partner for day9 you both have great chemistry together. - Mixing the casters was a bold move, could've failed horribly but except for day9 + HD it worked great. - The quality of the free stream was decent enough (although the aspect ratio got messed up when you go fullscreen (at least on firefox). This din't happen if we picked up the stream off vlc | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
I think there should be ONE very good observer per game (clicks all tech structures repeatedly, watches minimap like a hawk) in the game for the commentators to both share the view of so the audience and the casters share the same view at all times So often I hear something like "OH! hes throwing down the spire!" *observer camera cuts from protoss base to zerg base, 2-3 seconds later* "ah! yes, he is!" Also a lot of the time I see the observer spot something like a spire being built and its clearly of great importance while the other caster completely rambles on about this and that then FINALLY the spire is mentioned as the second commentator gets his turn on the mic I've gotta say this seems really out of tune to me, I'd much rather listen to commentators that are on the same page at all times and also hear their reactions simultaneously I know in the professional korean starleague matches, you can hear all three commentators react with enthusiasm and simultaneity when something important/unexpected happens It feels very awkward for a caster to announce something being built and not have visual confirmation until moments after or vice versa This was a huge turn off for me during the IEM w/ apollo and day9 i sometimes saw day9 spam select an important tech structure while apollo would ramble on about this or that while day9 anxiously waited for his turn | ||
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illumination
Korea (South)248 Posts
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
Downtime was okay, JP and Day9 are great time fillers. Could have been a little smoother, but that's about all I can gripe about. Would like to have seen bracket overlays, because it's hard to keep track of "okay slush is in the loser's bracket but needs to win one more against TTone" etc. | ||
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Friendlymots
Denmark49 Posts
- Commentators were ok, I like how you switched em around. - The small camera view while playing (bottom left) was nice, but have it focus more on player hands. And do like IEM, have some sort of nametag on since it wasent always clear which head belonged to which player. - Better overview of the tournament please. Use overlays, discuss the brackets etc. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
One thing though - the lighting on you guys could have been better....shot felt dark and muted. Also, not sure if husky being in a hoody was intentional but it was a bit 0_o when everyone else was in blazer. Better lighting required - like on these Bro Fists | ||
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Kazang
578 Posts
Double elimination format is great and coming from a mostly CS background myself it's cool to see the system in use here. The one major complaint I have was that there wasn't all that many games streamed compared to how many were played, as much as I love watching Day9 and JP banter about SC2 there was a lot of times where we were missing some really good games. A suggestion would be to always have an admin host all the games. I have no idea how many admins you had but you wouldn't need that many, however you would obviously need a battle.net account for each game. The reason for this is so you can always switch the stream to a game in progress with ease and it should help with always knowing exactly what is being played and where. The professional approach with all the casters (except Husky ofc) wearing jackets was a nice touch, HD definitely looked the part. More player interviews with some more varied questions rather than just "how did you feel about your last game", would be very welcome. I would suggest having a dedicated interviewer who is good at it (the opposite of that dumbass who presented IEM would be a good start), and have them just going around all the time getting some interviews in and generally getting in among the crowd and the players with a camera and mic. With this you have a perfect "filler" so you can cut to live interviews at good times and play some pre-recorded stuff during the lulls where the casters are eating, taking a break or you are having some delays getting games started. You should get me to produce for you  | ||
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Cider
United States198 Posts
2. Here's my opinion of the casters. Day9 and JP were of course awesome, Husky was more or less fine but HD was pretty bad. I'm really not trying to be a hater, and I know it was his first lan event, but there was so much stuff he said that was so completely wrong I had to end up muting him. 3. I don't know what your staff situation was like but I feel like all of the huge gaps between play could have been filled with more interviews, or even someone just walking around with a camera showing people "this is what MLG raleigh looks like!" rather than just one view of the spectators. 4. I could have appreciate a bit more explanation about the format. I mean, I'm not stupid and I caught on pretty fast, but I feel like a lot of people were confused by it. I really like the double elimination format and would like to see it again, but I think a bit of explanation of the way it works would help out a lot of people. Also, more frequent updates in terms of saying who lost to who (and showing the brackets visually) would have been nice as it would have turned the stream into a contained viewing experience, rather than me having to keep getting off my futon, going over the computer and alt tabbing out to find out who else won. 5. I know this is nitpicking and it doesn't really matter since I paid it anyway (and would pay it again) but I feel like $10 was a little steep for 2 days and the number of matches. Maybe for three days and/or more in between-match content. In any case, I think this was really great for your first event and I'm really excited to see your other SC2 events, and will continue to support you guys by buying the HD streams and buying lots of hot pockets (haha). Thanks for the entertainment and I hope you guys keep up the good work! | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
Maybe go over the brackets a little more often, maybe show some highlights from replays of uncasted matches, if that's within your power (since I know MLG may be handling most of the production.) Thought HDH had a decent amount of chemistry, but I can only stand hearing carriers called collosus, hearing that tanks are the counter to vikings, many other vocabulary errors and poor attempts at [what seem to be scripted] jokes before muting it. I appreciate all their hard work, and I hate to be a hater, but I just feel there are better options for casters when it comes to tournaments, assuming day9/jp don't want to ride solo and need a second team to alternate with. Maybe some kind of showmatches to fill the time? Not sure if you guys are crazy busy during breaks or what, but that's just an idea. I like the idea of an extended series in theory, but the grand finals is less exciting if its determined in 3 games. Generally speaking, grand finals should have a huge build-up, and, if not completely one-sided, go on for over an hour. HuK winning 2 games and it being over was kind of anticlimactic to me. Considering the extended series is more of an MLG thing, I realize this may be outside of your power, but still  All in all, good tournament, liked day9/jp, liked the stream quality and will be tuning in to any future events. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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Homun
Germany21 Posts
-Full screen video on 1680x1050 cut off the sides of the video, only half the minimap and hardly the 1st number of the supply count was visible -Especially on friday the "we don't know when the game starts, but just talk 15 minutes to fill time" segments annoyed me a good bit. On Saturday there were just random crowd shots and an overlay with a "next game X vs Z" wich I liked better. I do not remember if those periods were without background music, wich I would prefer, so I could tab out and just tune back in, when another game starts. -I liked how you broke up the established "caster teams". -Do NOT force Husky in a suit jacket. The rest of you already look quite uncomftable in them. -The only caster comment that had me cringe (once again after the ESL) was Day9 asking the audience to cheer. Read the crowd...people sitting on the floor and watching passively for hours won't just suddenly jump up and scream like their lungs out. The german "fremdschämen" ("ashamed by proxy"(?)) comes to mind, when I hear Day9 do that. -Invite more Zerg, so you can show some of the less common matchups at least in the beginning of a tournament. Thats it for me, overall I enjoyed watching and will most likely tune in again. "Look at your man. Now look at me. Look at your man again. Now look at me." | ||
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Kexx
Germany240 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
-Different maps would be great, custom ones, etc. -Interviews, you need moar. -Replays,replays, replays | ||
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Peekaboo
Canada219 Posts
Also there was a lot of downtime waiting for games to comment on while good games were happening. Actually having two sets of casters rotating between games would have been great. So one game ends and you go to the other casters who then start up the next game. Not sure if that would be cost effective, as I guess you'd need extra gear. I guess one set of casters could be completely off camera, and the others at the desk. Anyway to summarize--more games and better result summaries and updates. But I really liked the cast over-all and the casters. | ||
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